The Woodshed

[QUOTE=CantB1;3479555]Play more and pay less is my motto. I contacted a newbie on BP a few days ago. She told me she was only doing car visits right now. She asked for 80. I nicely said that's more than I normally pay and she told me stop being cheap. I told her I'm sure she will have other callers who say the same. She said she had plenty that will pay what she ask. She should have no problem having a room than. I'm not going to pay that. She was decent looking spinner but not all that. These hookers rates should match their looks. Even the 5 and below scaled providers want 2 bens an hour.[/QUOTE]Was it that blonde kelly off st John's bluff? She quoted me 80 but it would have to be a car date to which I replied "then you get street prices" so I knocked it off for 50. She is definitely forgettable, wouldn't repeat. Constant gagging, almost threw up on me during the money shot. The box wasn't anything special but got the job done.

[QUOTE=Pseudonymous;3491213]This sounds like Rizzo / Leila / Marissa, the one who ads say you have to pick her up.[/QUOTE]Nope not none of them.

[QUOTE=TunPunFun;3491257]Was it that blonde kelly off st John's bluff? She quoted me 80 but it would have to be a car date to which I replied "then you get street prices" so I knocked it off for 50. She is definitely forgettable, wouldn't repeat. Constant gagging, almost threw up on me during the money shot. The box wasn't anything special but got the job done.[/QUOTE]Not her either. It was a girl that was in Youngerman only seen her post a couple times. I'm kinda picky nowadays. I don't want any provider who posts BP regularly.

[QUOTE=Herbvette;3490958]Well said TPA. Might add that establishment of a firm price-point will also discourage the low-ballers; some of the nuisance inquiries; as will not offering QV times. The business arrangement makes perfect sense and advice. Better to have a weekly or bi-weekly regular at "X " instead of a one-timer as "X+1. " JMHO.[/QUOTE]I prefer to have weekly or bi weekly keep cheap skates out!!

[QUOTE=ThePrivAsst;3490365]New to the area providers or BP ladies are bombarded with men from all walks. After a few smelly balls, slovenly dates, and rip offs, I know I came up with a figure in my head of "how much do I need to charge to get through this without complaint?" Their increases are likely a direct result of some nasty mongers fucking it up for everybody.

I had several gents that would visit for less than the advertised rate. They were great examples of hobbiests that I could trust to show up clean, no dip in donation, conduct themselves responsibly, and a consistently pleasant experience. If eating the same cereal sounds appealing, consider a business relationship with a provider you can afford and enjoy.[/QUOTE]I've had some conversations with providers about this, and they've shown me some of the attempts at guys being cheap as fuck. If you don't want to pay a girl's rate, then just don't? The market will adjust accordingly, right?

Worse yet, there was one guy who literally left a shit stain on a girl's sheets, he was so unclean. I kid you not. *shudder*.

[QUOTE=ThePrivAsst;3490365]New to the area providers or BP ladies are bombarded with men from all walks. After a few smelly balls, slovenly dates, and rip offs, I know I came up with a figure in my head of "how much do I need to charge to get through this without complaint?" Their increases are likely a direct result of some nasty mongers fucking it up for everybody.

I had several gents that would visit for less than the advertised rate. They were great examples of hobbiests that I could trust to show up clean, no dip in donation, conduct themselves responsibly, and a consistently pleasant experience. If eating the same cereal sounds appealing, consider a business relationship with a provider you can afford and enjoy.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately when it comes to ripoffs, smelly private areas, dirty environments, etc. , it really goes both ways. Some of us have great hygiene, professional, knows how to treat people and so on and this goes for both men and women. However, many of these girls you see on BP have not been in the biz long enough but have really raunchy and smelly coochies. For example, I started seeing this provider who didn't post much and she wanted a certain amount for 20-30 minutes. I was fine with it and didn't try to haggle over prices with her- it was reasonable. Then it appeared someone or others got to her head and she started wanting almost double her price! Now let me say that double the price might not be so bad as long as the overall service was commensurate with what she was requesting but when you can't clean your coochie but yet, you want a mint for your little services, it just isn't going to happen.

When people don't provide a decent ambiance, smoke-free and clean environment, no dope boys, keep appt times (well as close as it reasonably can be), great hygiene, and being lucid, then they do not deserve 200 for their services. Personally, I would reserve higher amounts for higher caliber providers and by and large, BP just isn't it. Very few and far between great providers exist on BP. This is not to say P411, SD, etc. don't have its slugs but I'm just saying that a lot of the comments I see regarding BP girls (many aren't good) do not command exorbitant prices. I've seen some girls who provide the shittiest environments and then try to convince me that guys are paying them 200-300 plus to hang out. I say to myself, "they're giving YOU that kind of money with the level of service you offer!" PLEASE! It would be nice to find that UTR girl that is the complete package but that can be quite the challenge sometimes.

This is a great example of someone who wants a mint for her services but has one of the shitiest environments:

http://jacksonville.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/tgif-out-spec-call-lila-904-420-2596/12938412

[QUOTE=PlayTiem;3496190]I've had some conversations with providers about this, and they've shown me some of the attempts at guys being cheap as fuck. If you don't want to pay a girl's rate, then just don't? The market will adjust accordingly, right?

Worse yet, there was one guy who literally left a shit stain on a girl's sheets, he was so unclean. I kid you not. *shudder*.[/QUOTE]But I read almost daily of guys getting ripped, shorted and catfished on BP. I think Wacko69 completely missed the point of decency in dealing, respectful quality client AND respectful quality provider who gain a positive business relationship by continuing to see each other and both benefit from it. Having conversed with her (TPA) and reading her comment to understand it not, just waiting for another chance to drop a snarky remark I thought she was relating more about who it was than the max $ she could extract, hence the discount. FYI if you carry yourself as she does, stay consistent in services and reliability as she does and stay off BP you may attract the upscale $$$ clients and less cheap skates. IMO.

[QUOTE=MyDarkSide;3495925]As far as A2; I'm not looking for the "hooker" type and disagree with his general assessment. Sure there are BP girls but many simply are trying this out, will not go through, do it once and bail out, or looking for one fwb type arrangement. To me, a far cry from a hooker. That's the site's charm.[/QUOTE]Seems to me you have a lot of contempt for guys working BP and other sites; "far cry from a hooker" "I'm not looking for the 'hooker' type. " If you give her money she might not look like Devine Brown but she has the same job and you are a john just like Hugh Grant was. Do whatever you need to do to delude yourself that you're somehow "better" than those guys but I'm telling you and will continue to tell you that you're a john.

Sorry if you think this is harsh, but some of you sugar guys come off as self righteous high hatters to me and that sorta irritates me.

One other thing, they turned into hookers the moment they put their profile on the site. The rest is just how much. This doesn't mean I don't like hookers, I fucking love hookers, just give it a fucking name is all and that name is prostitution.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3499041]Seems to me you have a lot of contempt for guys working BP and other sites; "far cry from a hooker" "I'm not looking for the 'hooker' type. " If you give her money she might not look like Devine Brown but she has the same job and you are a john just like Hugh Grant was. Do whatever you need to do to delude yourself that you're somehow "better" than those guys but I'm telling you and will continue to tell you that you're a john.

Sorry if you think this is harsh, but some of you sugar guys come off as self righteous high hatters to me and that sorta irritates me.

One other thing, they turned into hookers the moment they put their profile on the site. The rest is just how much. This doesn't mean I don't like hookers, I fucking love hookers, just give it a fucking name is all and that name is prostitution.[/QUOTE]Met an attractive girl at the bar one night. Struck up a conversation and I asked her would you sleep with me for 1 Million $, she enthusiastically says yes. I say how about $100,000 again she says yes. I say how about $100? She scowls and says what kind of girl do you think I am? To which I say, we've already established what you are, we are just haggling over the price! (its a joke).

Am I totally insane for daty on one of these BP girls? Are there any that might be worth the risk? I really don't want to try and explain to my kids why they have herpes after I kiss them goodnight.

[QUOTE=TooDrunkToFuk;3506601]Am I totally insane for daty on one of these BP girls? Are there any that might be worth the risk? I really don't want to try and explain to my kids why they have herpes after I kiss them goodnight.[/QUOTE]Use good judgement.

Smell it and examine in good lighting.

Does she seem generally healthy?

Still not the wisest thing, but our hobby comes with risks.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3499041]Seems to me you have a lot of contempt for guys working BP and other sites;.....[/QUOTE]Absolutely not. There is a type and price point for everyone. Some love $20 SW car dates; some $400 eros types. In a way I'm envious of those who get off from a $20 street girl as it'd save a boatload of money. We all define "hooker" slightly differently. From SW to mistress to one who marries for money. My definition just doesn't include most SA girls. To be sure they aren't puritanical but not hookers either.

That said I have no illusions to what they're doing and why they've chosen me. No contempt for anyone; I've used all sites.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3496753]Unfortunately when it comes to ripoffs, smelly private areas, dirty environments, etc. , it really goes both ways. Some of us have great hygiene, professional, knows how to treat people and so on and this goes for both men and women. However, many of these girls you see on BP have not been in the biz long enough but have really raunchy and smelly coochies. For example, I started seeing this provider who didn't post much and she wanted a certain amount for 20-30 minutes. I was fine with it and didn't try to haggle over prices with her- it was reasonable. Then it appeared someone or others got to her head and she started wanting almost double her price! Now let me say that double the price might not be so bad as long as the overall service was commensurate with what she was requesting but when you can't clean your coochie but yet, you want a mint for your little services, it just isn't going to happen.

When people don't provide a decent ambiance, smoke-free and clean environment, no dope boys, keep appt times (well as close as it reasonably can be), great hygiene, and being lucid, then they do not deserve 200 for their services. Personally, I would reserve higher amounts for higher caliber providers and by and large, BP just isn't it.[/QUOTE]It goes both ways for mongers and providers. Where you confused me was your example of your UTR. Her original price for her smelly pussy was OK but when she doubled the price the smell became a problem? Its pretty simple, if we don't like the service then move on. We choose, they don't force us to drive to them. Also you know YMMV so providers are going to treat favorite mongers a little better than ones who show up every other month with no personality and poor hygiene.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3507861]It goes both ways for mongers and providers. Where you confused me was your example of your UTR. Her original price for her smelly pussy was OK but when she doubled the price the smell became a problem? Its pretty simple, if we don't like the service then move on. We choose, they don't force us to drive to them. Also you know YMMV so providers are going to treat favorite mongers a little better than ones who show up every other month with no personality and poor hygiene.[/QUOTE]It was an issue I was going to mention to her because I thought she had potential but tried to figure out a diplomatic approach as, personally, I think it's a sensitive subject to bring up. However, I don't care if I'm a favorite or not, whether I'm paying big money or not, if a client is coming to see you, clean your coochie! Simple as that.

I make sure my hygiene is top notch and so should she or they! I'd be embarrassed going to see a provider with smelly privates. Another thing is this, when you ask your boss for a raise, you don't do such a thing if you have a history of being late, productivity is down, and you can't get along with your peers do you? You ensure (if you're smart) that you're the exact opposite. So if she wants an increased donation then, she too, must up the ante.

[QUOTE=FloridaBiker;3507747]Use good judgement.

Smell it and examine in good lighting.

Does she seem generally healthy?

Still not the wisest thing, but our hobby comes with risks.[/QUOTE]I used whatever semblance of judgment I had left. She was coherent and seemed in good health. No evidence of candy, she had some rules that indicated she might have some standards. Smelled good, freshly showered- light not available, but virtually no taste and no tonugue-detectable bumps lesions or other concerns. I guess ill wait a couple weeks and see what develops.

Sure seemed worth the risk at the time- I haven't had a girl capable of 69 in years and years.

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Sure seemed worth the risk at the time- I haven't had a girl capable of 69 in years and years.[/QUOTE]Damn, that deserves an attaboy. Congrats!

I'm sure it will eventually get shut down by the powers that be, so I figured I'd ask my questions here. I'm curious. To those of you who've been unfortunate to contract a STD in the hobby what were the symptoms that you experienced? How long was the onset?

What worries me are the infections that show no outward symptoms. Feel free to pm if you'd prefer to speak privately. I would just like to hear experiences from my fellow mongers.

[QUOTE=BiggDaddi;3513334]I'm sure it will eventually get shut down by the powers that be, so I figured I'd ask my questions here. I'm curious. To those of you who've been unfortunate to contract a STD in the hobby what were the symptoms that you experienced? How long was the onset? What worries me are the infections that show no outward symptoms. Feel free to pm if you'd prefer to speak privately. I would just like to hear experiences from my fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]I cannot speak from personal experience but the Chief Corpsman on my Navy ship said your dick would turn black, wither and fall off.

[QUOTE=BiggDaddi;3513334]I'm sure it will eventually get shut down by the powers that be, so I figured I'd ask my questions here. I'm curious. To those of you who've been unfortunate to contract a STD in the hobby what were the symptoms that you experienced? How long was the onset?

What worries me are the infections that show no outward symptoms. Feel free to pm if you'd prefer to speak privately. I would just like to hear experiences from my fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]Guys are lucky in that they are much more likely to show symptoms. Still, testing is the only sure method to be clear. And it's pretty simple and cheap. One can google for the symptoms. Most are easily treated but there are rare and very dangerous exceptions.

[QUOTE=EaglesSb;3534259]I've seen variations of this type of comment over the years on the forum and the thing I always ask is:

1) Why mention how good you say you look, while putting everyone else down.

2) Why are you paying if you look so good.

The review was informative, but you added something that didn't need to be added.[/QUOTE]Why are you bothered? Feeling insecure?

I can answer the second one. Being a young, fit, and attractive guy myself I have had a few BP girls ask me why I needed to use BP. (one particular tiny redhead even said "YES, I'm so glad you're not a creepy old man!

Well, I don't "need" to use it. But I like to. It's new, taboo, and exciting to me. I hate clubs and I'm not looking for a GF. Tinder is fun, but it's still work and not a "guarantee". Therefore, BP. Instant action.

[QUOTE=JoeGannOnLct;3534839]Why are you bothered? Feeling insecure?

I can answer the second one. Being a young, fit, and attractive guy myself I have had a few BP girls ask me why I needed to use BP. (one particular tiny redhead even said "YES, I'm so glad you're not a creepy old man!

Well, I don't "need" to use it. But I like to. It's new, taboo, and exciting to me. I hate clubs and I'm not looking for a GF. Tinder is fun, but it's still work and not a "guarantee". Therefore, BP. Instant action.[/QUOTE]No insecurity since I'm 27 strong / fit, however I'm not delusional to think I'm more "special" then the guys on here. Unless she told you "you don't need to pay" you got the same deal everyone else got. Its like feeling special about a participation trophy, then claiming your participation trophy is better since you can see your reflection in it.

I'm not being argumentative but answering his above question.

[QUOTE=EaglesSb;3536509]No insecurity since I'm 27 strong / fit, however I'm not delusional to think I'm more "special" then the guys on here. Unless she told you "you don't need to pay" you got the same deal everyone else got. Its like feeling special about a participation trophy, then claiming your participation trophy is better since you can see your reflection in it.

I'm not being argumentative but answering his above question.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what you are doing. The both of you are arguing about the stupid post you put up because somebody irritated you. This had nothing to do with backpage advertisers and everything to do about disagreeing with what he said which is the very essence of argument.

Just because somebody is picking a fight with you doesn't mean that giving them what they are looking for isn't fighting on your part. Nobody, and I do mean nobody gives a fuckity fuck about your body on a thread that is supposed to be full of reviews about chicks that advertise on backpage. Nobody gives a fuck that you're not delusional, or that you don't think you're more special, nobody gives a single fuck about any of that shit on a thread that is supposed to be about BACKPAGE ADVERTISERS, and the reason you will never, ever, get off moderation is because you don't give a shit that nobody fucking cares about you and will constantly litter up the review threads with your stupidity because at the end of the day you're here to pick fights as much as you are for pussy.

Maybe now it's clear.

A2.

Rest in peace G.

[QUOTE=TomCat4871;3537744]Rest in peace G.[/QUOTE]She was a nice girl.

[QUOTE=TomCat4871;3537744]Rest in peace G.[/QUOTE]Looks like another provider was lost yesterday. Maggie. I think she went by Kelly on BP.

I have been playing this game for a long time. Having extra fun away from the ball and chain many times. Banging chicks while on the road for work. Hooking up with hotties at work in town. I have been very lucky and never been caught. Even had the old bag show up at a restaurant with me and my last girl and still got away scott free. I dropped my recent side lady and was thinking about finding a new one. But I have one I want and I can't have. My wife's hot friend. Damn. She comes over and looks so hot. I get to see her hotness all the time, but no touching. She is not any hotter than my last side chick, but I guess it is the forbidden fruit story, you want what you can't have. I know it will never happen. If I even tried to hit on her, she would tell the wife. I know because she has told her innocent things like when I just offered to buy her a drink "innocently". I know this chick is hard up for cash too, but damn I can't even buy a time in bed with her. I am still racking my brain tying to figure out a way to make it happen.

[QUOTE=JaxFight;3537967]I have been playing this game for a long time. Having extra fun away from the ball and chain many times. Banging chicks while on the road for work. Hooking up with hotties at work in town. I have been very lucky and never been caught. Even had the old bag show up at a restaurant with me and my last girl and still got away scott free. I dropped my recent side lady and was thinking about finding a new one. But I have one I want and I can't have. My wife's hot friend. Damn. She comes over and looks so hot. I get to see her hotness all the time, but no touching. She is not any hotter than my last side chick, but I guess it is the forbidden fruit story, you want what you can't have. I know it will never happen. If I even tried to hit on her, she would tell the wife. I know because she has told her innocent things like when I just offered to buy her a drink "innocently". I know this chick is hard up for cash too, but damn I can't even buy a time in bed with her. I am still racking my brain tying to figure out a way to make it happen.[/QUOTE]Piece of cake. Set me up with her to buy her drinks and dinner. I'll win her over, and get her in the sack, and find out if she's 'all that' for you. If she happens to be, then I'll tell her I have a married bud she should see. If she says, "No problem" then you're in! Looks good on print, anyway. .

[QUOTE=CantB1;3537798]Looks like another provider was lost yesterday. Maggie. I think she went by Kelly on BP.[/QUOTE]Initials MT? PM me if you wouldn't mind.

[QUOTE=CantB1;3537798]Looks like another provider was lost yesterday. Maggie. I think she went by Kelly on BP.[/QUOTE]A really nice girl too. Really sad about her demise.

[QUOTE=TomCat4871;3537744]Rest in peace G.[/QUOTE]I believe that I gave her first review. I thought that she was way prettier in person. A sweet girl. Sorry to see on FB.

Sad, sad, sad.

This is like Christmas 2016 again.

When I see them go in groups like this I think someone is out there selling them some really horrible stuff.

[QUOTE=CantB1;3537798]Looks like another provider was lost yesterday. Maggie. I think she went by Kelly on BP.[/QUOTE]

Had been debating even adding this but time seems right after last few posts. Sr. Member Kittylikker has passed on as well. We shared a few favorites and preferences. He was a good guy just chasing tail. But in the end the same "habits" caught up with him too. Nasty stuff out there. Not sure that anything is worth everything, if ya know what I mean.

[QUOTE=Fishguy717;3538000]Piece of cake. Set me up with her to buy her drinks and dinner. I'll win her over, and get her in the sack, and find out if she's 'all that' for you. If she happens to be, then I'll tell her I have a married bud she should see. If she says, "No problem" then you're in! Looks good on print, anyway. .[/QUOTE]Yeah, I wish that would work. I was thinking about asking her if she has heard of SA. Com.

[QUOTE=TooDrunkToFuk;3550323]The guys on this site aren't, or shouldn't be the ones paying the BP girls SA prices because we know better-- we should be doing our homework to identify the BP providers and skip over the girls with thigh tattoos and terminal candy damage. We pay the premium for the higher quality less drama. It's the uneducated mongers on SA that don't do their homework that are paying the BP girls SA prices and driving the sex workers to that site, not us!

I think we all know it's just a matter of degree when exchanging things of value for intimate interactions. The good news is, that most BP girls have permanently identify themselves as such and are fairly easy to weed out. There are an abundance of Si girls that are not Pros and would never want to be considered as such. As long as you maintain that illusion you have a much better arrangement then you'll ever get with BP.[/QUOTE]You can call it what you want but the minute the took cash or gifts to suck your cock they because a professional sex worker otherwise known as a prostitute. Doesn't matter what you call it or where they advertise they just became whatever a Backpage chick is.

As to the first part I have seen men, on this forum, discussing how much they should pay for a meet and greet. Literally how much should they pay a hooker to not fuck them. We kinda tolerate it but you sugar daddy guys are mostly responsible for the rise in prices for p4 p.

Let me bottom line this for you. If they wouldn't be fucking you if you weren't paying them they are a prostitute and you are a John. End of story. You can call it whatever you want but it's commercial sex and you guys all pay more to pretend it's not. The most prolific sugar daddy I know, and trust me I know a few, tells them all the same thing. "I'll fly you where I am and you get 100 bucks everytime your make me cum. All he's working is sugar daddy sites and he closes with 85% of his contacts.

They are hookers.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3550680]You can call it what you want but the minute the took cash or gifts to suck your cock they because a professional sex worker otherwise known as a prostitute. Doesn't matter what you call it or where they advertise they just became whatever a Backpage chick is.

As to the first part I have seen men, on this forum, discussing how much they should pay for a meet and greet. Literally how much should they pay a hooker to not fuck them. We kinda tolerate it but you sugar daddy guys are mostly responsible for the rise in prices for p4 p.

Let me bottom line this for you. If they wouldn't be fucking you if you weren't paying them they are a prostitute and you are a John. End of story. You can call it whatever you want but it's commercial sex and you guys all pay more to pretend it's not. The most prolific sugar daddy I know, and trust me I know a few, tells them all the same thing. "I'll fly you where I am and you get 100 bucks everytime your make me cum. All he's working is sugar daddy sites and he closes with 85% of his contacts.

They are hookers.[/QUOTE]I agree, they are all hookers, A2. But I disagree on the quality. Although there are some 'BP level' girls on the SA site, most of the girls there are a couple of levels up, or higher. Some have been amazing, that you would never find on BP. To me, yes, they are hookers, but you get what you pay for. Going to the SA site didn't cost me more money (besides membership), the talent on that site is what cost me more money. Caveat, I've mentioned many times I'd be willing to pay for a membership to THIS site, I've always felt it would be well worth it.

[QUOTE=Fishguy717;3551289]I agree, they are all hookers, A2. But I disagree on the quality. Although there are some 'BP level' girls on the SA site, most of the girls there are a couple of levels up, or higher. Some have been amazing, that you would never find on BP. To me, yes, they are hookers, but you get what you pay for. Going to the SA site didn't cost me more money (besides membership), the talent on that site is what cost me more money. Caveat, I've mentioned many times I'd be willing to pay for a membership to THIS site, I've always felt it would be well worth it.[/QUOTE]For once I'll disagree slightly with Fish. I've tried the SA sites and while I will agree the quality is somewhat better the hassle hasn't been worth the payoff, for me it's a zero sum gain. In either case once the initial deed is done and you actually like the provider enough, and of course she's of like mind, to enter into some sort on going beneficial arraignment is where the differences in my start to show up. It's been my experience over the long term that SA girls tend to command a higher price than BP girls. Now this insight is anecdotal, I have no hard statistical data to back this up and I'm strictly speaking from my many years of experience. That's not to say BP doesn't have it's it's own issues, scams, fakes, flakes, the list goes on and on. I'm not actually sure which initially costs more, having to weed through a number of providers on BP to find a keeper or spending extra on "upscale" providers through the SA sites with the hope that the site by its very nature weeds out a majority of the undesirables. Personally I'll stick with BP as I've found it to be cheaper and I've had a fair amount of success there. I continue to see providers I've been lucky enough to come across even after they've stopped advertising on BP and gone utr. As always a truer statement has never been said then this is strictly a YMMV game.

JD.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;3551506]For once I'll disagree slightly with Fish. I've tried the SA sites and while I will agree the quality is somewhat better the hassle hasn't been worth the payoff, for me it's a zero sum gain. In either case once the initial deed is done and you actually like the provider enough, and of course she's of like mind, to enter into some sort on going beneficial arraignment is where the differences in my start to show up. It's been my experience over the long term that SA girls tend to command a higher price than BP girls. Now this insight is anecdotal, I have no hard statistical data to back this up and I'm strictly speaking from my many years of experience. That's not to say BP doesn't have it's it's own issues, scams, fakes, flakes, the list goes on and on. I'm not actually sure which initially costs more, having to weed through a number of providers on BP to find a keeper or spending extra on "upscale" providers through the SA sites with the hope that the site by its very nature weeds out a majority of the undesirables. Personally I'll stick with BP as I've found it to be cheaper and I've had a fair amount of success there. I continue to see providers I've been lucky enough to come across even after they've stopped advertising on BP and gone utr. As always a truer statement has never been said then this is strictly a YMMV game.

JD.[/QUOTE]I respect your opinion. I feel it's all a matter of budget. There are people that see SW's as their comfort level. And some of those won't spend for a BP girl. Just like some BP users won't spend for a girl on Eros or 411. Just depends on whether you feel you are getting the right bang for the buck that makes you happy!

[QUOTE=Fishguy717;3552298]I respect your opinion. I feel it's all a matter of budget. There are people that see SW's as their comfort level. And some of those won't spend for a BP girl. Just like some BP users won't spend for a girl on Eros or 411. Just depends on whether you feel you are getting the right bang for the buck that makes you happy![/QUOTE]Your absolutely right, never stopped for a SW and more than likely never will. JD.

[QUOTE=Fishguy717;3551289]I agree, they are all hookers, A2. But I disagree on the quality. Although there are some 'BP level' girls on the SA site, most of the girls there are a couple of levels up, or higher. Some have been amazing, that you would never find on BP. To me, yes, they are hookers, but you get what you pay for. Going to the SA site didn't cost me more money (besides membership), the talent on that site is what cost me more money. Caveat, I've mentioned many times I'd be willing to pay for a membership to THIS site, I've always felt it would be well worth it.[/QUOTE]It's not an issue of quality for me brother, I have no problem paying more for better. My crusade is about these guys that act as if they are better because they aren't fucking hookers.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;3552550]Your absolutely right, never stopped for a SW and more than likely never will. JD.[/QUOTE]Hate to break it to you buddy but over the years you reviewed a few girl I found as Swans but you got them off BP. I have met a few girls who never wanted to post an ad but did the SW thing because of a friend was doing it. Or just not to put herself on display. Once something is put on the Internet it's out there Forever Ever.