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[QUOTE=Sycamore Scott]Everybody is ruining this board. Everybody made there point. The guys don't like being asked for tips and the women would like there customers clean. This isn't helping anybody in the long run. Everybody should know by now what the proper tipping amount is. If you don't like a place find another. There are better in Rockford.[/QUOTE]It seems that this topic had been dead for five days - why did you bring it back up if you want it to go away?
[QUOTE=Bbbuddy]Traveling north to Madison will not get you anything more than what you can get in Belvidere, unless you plan on going on the streets. [/QUOTE]
Madison has a lot more to offer than Rockford or Belvidere, and for less money. And I'm not talking street walkers. In all honesty the Madison street scene is shitty.
You know, I always check this board before I venture off into Mongerland. Maybe hear about a provider giving great service I haven't tried yet, or maybe someplace to avoid.
Having saved a few pennies I was ready to wander out to Belvidere today. And so I read a post by some newbie complaining about the convo here. His first post, no less. Funny, but Jackson never gave me the sheet of rules that says we have to clear our comments thru someone from Sycamore.
He advises us that if we don't like a place, don't go there. I'd counter with, if you don't like what's on the board... well, y'all get the picture.
So I read further. Look, a provider who doesn't like her job. Just the thing to see when I'm about to spend a days pay pretending for an hour that a girl likes me. Thanks to that posting, her nor none of her co-workers got anything from me today.
However, I am supposed to post reports here. So, I'd like to report that instead of driving west this weekend for some adult fun, my Tahoe has a great new Kenwood stereo system.
I actually posted a comment about Sycamore Scott also, however, I must not have been as diplomatic as you as I think Jackson decided not to let mine get posted. I believe that the person that posted the comments might work at ERS, however, that is only speculation. I have been going to CLV as of late and have to say, if you can get past the 70's decor the place is a much better value given it is $10 less than ERS and the women there give a good massage, whether or not you are tipping $40 or not. Not to say I don't tip, but I have given the remaining cash from a $100 which is $15 and they seem to be genuinely grateful for the tip. (I usually give more but things have been tight lately)
I actually had to stop myself Bbbuddy, from posting a long response to Lilred's comments. Lotta fuzzy math going on there, but, many of my fellow posters beat me to it. So I let it drop.
I usually partake about once a month. It's a long drive for me, and like you say, times are tight. I have been to CLV, ERS, and the Rockford places (except this Silver Spa... may have to try that) and I'm sure the urge will hit again soon to take the drive. How I wish there was a place here in the Burbs I could go to and get the same level of services at the same money one can find in Belvidere.
That being said, only twice have I ever been asked what I was going to tip before the session started. Sadly, both of those times were at CLV :(
I can tell you that used to be the Chase at CLV and that might of been some spill over from when they got busted a few years back and then they briefly went to some type of arrangement like the places on lake street in Roselle. I remember going in there and they were like topless on price and so on, but I believe some of the talent has migrated south from ERS and they possible might have learned a lesson there for asking for tips up front. I have been to CLV as of late for about the last 5 visits and have not had any discussion of tips and as I said when I gave the remaining money from the C note they were geniunely grateful, which is rare. I have heard some good things about a place in Algonguin that is posted in the Mchenry forum. Looks like it might be a half an hour closer for you, and if you are driving a Tahoe with your new stereo in it gas can get expensive in that guzzzler.
P. S I hear you about the fuzzy math going on in previous posts. My point was no matter how you slice it they are still getting close to $50/hour and in anyone's book that is pretty damn good money, even if you are getting something on your hands it probably washs off much easier than engine grease. Long and short of it is that the money must be good enough to put up with the downside or they would move along to another career.
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Since Lildred did not answer this, I will pose the question again for the ERS presence on this board:
Is asking for a tip in advance now part of ERS policy, and if not, is it considered acceptable by most of the employees and/or the management?
I was not going to write anymore about tipping but I think people feel it is just complaining and need to get things clarified.
If the atmosphere improves re tipping I would very much like to start visiting ERS again. I have been away for 3 or more years and miss the place but will NOT visit if this thing continues.
I hope both the SPs and management read this board and make necessary changes to reduce the money issue and make it a pleasanter experience there would be lot more traffic. Having few suckers being milked is worse than many satisfied customers who will keep coming in future.
If after all the writing no changes take place then both the SPs and management would like to contiue as is in past. In that case I alongwith probably many others will have to stay out. That is sad because it is loss for both us and the sps and the management. But if that is what it will be then that is what it will be.
I'll just add one more comment about the tipping issue. Specifically, asking for tips before or in the middle of a session.
Ladies, guys hate this for the same reason that reading a post from a disgruntled provider stopped me from going out. It's because the mind is the biggest erogenous zone we have (despite what you might think...LOL).
I plan my trips, think about them, get myself mentally worked up to go...
When we're there, we're writhing in anticipation about what's going to happen. Anything that snaps us back into reality is a turn-off.
Look at the posts. Ever notice how some authors mention they like it when a provider talks dirty to them? It's stimulating our minds, which makes the experience a whole lot better for us.
Reality usually comes back to me somewhere during the long drive home. Please give us the fantasy we're paying for. And please remember that mental stimulation is just as important as the physical stuff.
Now I hope I can go back to "Had a session with Diana today, and it was GREAT!"
You know, I used to be a waiter in college, and I would get pissed when I'd have customers that would tip brazenley little after receiving great service. And after several visits from these customers, I would start prioritizing them. Customers that tipped fair or better got a little more priority than ones who were cheap. I'm not saying it's right, but it's human nature. To say that you expect to have the girls do something to the absolute BEST of thier ability and means, and get offended when they expect you to do the same financially. Well, I side with the ladies on that one. I know we want to enjoy an expirience without thinking of money. But guys, that's the only reason the girls are there. I, for one, am ok with that. I don't need to fanticize about how the girl REALLY being in love with me or anything. I want a massage and a stress release. Expecting the girl to provide top notch service, and then whining about times being tight when it comes time to tip isn't fair.
That being said, the girls are FOOLISH to ask for a tip before or during the massage. While I think it a little wierd to fantasaize about the girl really wanting to have my gene pool shot on her (she doesn't), it's equally offensive to guys to make us feel like an ATM. That DOES ruin it.
So the girls who jack off guys for tips don't want to be treated like girls who jack off guys for tips. And the guys don't want to feel like ATM's when the whole reason those girls are there is to make money. C'mon people. We're grown adults.
Men, tip the girl a decent tip on the first go-round. If she didn't earn it, never go back to her. You gave her the oppurtunity, and she blew it. Yeah, maybe you tipped $20 more than you should've. But don't act like you never over-spent before. When that girl (and her bosses) notice she is being avoided by customers, action WILL be taken.
Girls, stop having expectactions of your customers. Provide a good massage and good 'service', and if you get little or no tip. Give corresponding service the next time you see him: A half-ass rub and super-machnical release with no chit-chat. That's what a crappy tipper deserves.
And if you guys think you're entitled to anything just for the door fee, we'll we're not in a highly regulated market here. We all know what we're doing. Use your wallet for what it is: a source of power and means to get what you want. If/when you find a girl that provides good service, you can take your chances and leave a sketchy tip and see what happens next time. If you girls are gonna beat us up for money, cool. You'll likely get it once. But you won't get anymore of it.
That is a way of things. Stop giving lazy chicks good tips (that's reserved for the good girls), stop giving cheap guys top notch service (that's reserved for men who have class enough to compensate you for strong effort). The free market reigns supreme.
Stopped by ER today and rolled the dice on the new girl Missy. Medium height blond with nice B cups. Went all out to please during the session which was not rushed. Guess what, DID NOT once mention the "T" word. She is being mentored by Diane so she is learning from one ot the best. Help her out and give her a try, don't be afraid to ask for special requests, she will try to fullfill with in the rules.
[QUOTE=Pfi309] don't be afraid to ask for special requests, she will try to fullfill with in the rules.[/QUOTE]And what exactly are the rules. I've considered going there, but my research has yet toascertain what is allowed there and what isn't. I'm going to to pay a .8 or .9 door fee for a rub and hj.
I can get that closer to home.
the rules cover any oral or beyond. Basically what he is talking about is you being able to touch the massuese up top and down below. Other than that the rules prohibit anything else. You might have read on the forum where a girl was passing off a chin job as a BJ, that is basically where she rubs it with her chin simulating oral. The actual cost at ERS where this girl works is $95 and since you are such a good tipper dip, atleast $20 more for $115, or $40 more if she does something extraordinary for a total of $135 given the extra gas you could have 3 meetings with Kelly for that.
[QUOTE=Bbbuddy]the rules cover any oral or beyond. Basically what he is talking about is you being able to touch the massuese up top and down below. Other than that the rules prohibit anything else. You might have read on the forum where a girl was passing off a chin job as a BJ, that is basically where she rubs it with her chin simulating oral. The actual cost at ERS where this girl works is $95 and since you are such a good tipper dip, atleast $20 more for $115, or $40 more if she does something extraordinary for a total of $135 given the extra gas you could have 3 meetings with Kelly for that.[/QUOTE]Geez. Now I see what the fuss is about. I don't believe in giving small tips for decent service, NOT AT ALL. That being said, the $95 door fee is enough to keep be away. And for $135, I could have 4 meetings with Kelly ala BBBJCIM.
[QUOTE=Perdip]Geez. Now I see what the fuss is about. I don't believe in giving small tips for decent service, NOT AT ALL. That being said, the $95 door fee is enough to keep be away. And for $135, I could have 4 meetings with Kelly ala BBBJCIM.[/QUOTE]All I can say to that is who is Kelly and where do I find her?
Seriously?