Non Pro's

Saphire: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2d59e017-8382-4a43-a68f-1c56ecdd0613[/URL].

Young, thick, sweet. But has a mean streak.

She told me she can, has, and will rob men if she doesn't like them. She admitted she's done it before.

This girl has a really rough past, which has given her a sharp edge. When we met, she told me she was armed at all times, and was unafraid to use her weapon. (And yes, I saw her weapons.).

She game me no problems at our meet-and-greet, and wanted to see me again, but I don't need to flirt with that kind of danger. It seems like if you step over the line, you cold be in trouble, and only she knows where the line is.

(If you need any other details, feel free to PM.).

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0637b412-0462-4996-a375-b0b4bc7cd86f[/URL]

GPS syndrome. Offered 3 plus room but she said she wanted more.

[QUOTE=Mizunate;7018095]PM if you want full details of my experience / contact info. I'll keep this post brief!

These ones are women I've seen that are worth your time and don't have GPS:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ead9150f-4fc9-4611-bde5-281e655f00e7[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/40b5f666-1eb9-444f-bc27-994e13f168f1[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/37a252e6-28f5-4fee-8caa-0fddb154859d[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/12e7b153-0f7a-4081-9309-6cad8512f9f9[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/24a2d504-3c78-46ba-a508-6a6bb1d3efc5[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ceed3de0-3453-4bbf-816b-c7b6d23e23be[/URL][/QUOTE]Sent you a PM have questions on 2 of them.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bbad8eab-1f48-4b20-8259-ee735e22cb93[/URL]

I don't think anyone is surprised by this one, but she's mostly pushing her OF page and said $1 k to $1. 5 k for private time. Like she's hot and all but also absolutely not!

[QUOTE=Tadger;7023397][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bbad8eab-1f48-4b20-8259-ee735e22cb93[/URL]

I don't think anyone is surprised by this one, but she's mostly pushing her OF page and said $1 k to $1. 5 k for private time. Like she's hot and all but also absolutely not![/QUOTE]She was on Tryst agency last month and pretty much all of those girls start at $1-1500.

[QUOTE=Tadger;7023397][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bbad8eab-1f48-4b20-8259-ee735e22cb93[/URL]

I don't think anyone is surprised by this one, but she's mostly pushing her OF page and said $1 k to $1. 5 k for private time. Like she's hot and all but also absolutely not![/QUOTE]I'm noticing more and more that there's a disconnect between women's and men's expectations in SD. Or perhaps different categories that SBs put themselves into and how they market themselves reflects this. Then, from our perspective, this kind of thing can seem outrageous. Seems to me there's a few different categories. Like an image of how they see a relationship working:

The "glorified escorts" - they're really just an escort and they know it. But looking for simps with money to be regulars. You might find some cheap ones, and they may go BB. But the quality and expectations are lower. You get what you pay for. Cheap means it's more likely you'll find drugs and drama and less attractive.

The "elite" SBs. They see themselves as the jet-setter super-hot companions of a rich young hot dude that flies them to Cancun whenever they want. Some of these women have GPS (which, in my opinion, is just a way of saying they value their services much higher than most hobbyists would) but some are genuinely elite-level providers. Probably will get turned off if you even ask for a price. Cause, as they say, "if you have to ask how much, you can't afford it anyway".

The "curious" women. Curious about sugaring, but not sure how to market themselves or value their time / services. They're just putting it out there to see what they get. And may or may not actually respond to anything. Obviously YMMV. But they're probably just using the site to get attention (like Tinder).

What do you think? Am I just wrong. Or did I miss a type?

I would love those digits if possible.

[QUOTE=RamblinJavlin;7016118]She's very nice. Definitely very close to the GFE I've been looking for. The only hiccups would be she's in her late twenties, if early twenties is more preferable to you, and she doesn't have the "tightest" body on the planet, but other than that, she's a find. She's a great kisser, loves to get busy. Shaved, no stinkiness, and she's okay with backdoor fun, but getting her honeypot pounded is her fave. She's down for all kinds of exploration as well.

She is responsible, has a nice place to host (hosting is never an issue for her), and she does not haggle over compensation for her time. She always says, "whatever your maximum allowable contribution is. " Dudes have taken advantage of her "donation flexibility", and she doesn't give them as many favors because of it, but she's definitely in this for fun; she appreciates the help. She has a normal occupation, so she doesn't stress. She loves sushi and would want you to take her out, but she's very relaxed and will do what you want in the way of any extracurricular entertainment outside the bedroom. We went to a place she suggested, and it wasn't the best sushi I've had by far, so that tells me if you have at least moderately decent taste in food types, you'll win her heart. Her place is in Beaverton, and it's a nice quiet apartment complex. She doesn't drive, so if she's not at home, she might have you pick her up somewhere to take her home for fun-time. She's Russian, and has the accent. Met her on SA. Asked if I could give her number to a few friends. Just tell her that a friend gave you her information. Her name is Youleeah. 503820XXXX.

I don't think any of you mongers could go wrong here. Good luck, stay safe.[/QUOTE]

Anyone drop in to see her yet? From SA her profile was already posted here.

[QUOTE=ButtMan343;7024703]Anyone drop in to see her yet? From SA her profile was already posted here.[/QUOTE]The op who posted her, said he seen her, have you asked him? I asked him on a couple but didn't get a reply as of yet.

[QUOTE=ButtMan343;7024703]Anyone drop in to see her yet? From SA her profile was already posted here.[/QUOTE]Mizunate recommended her. I started chatting her up, but then she didn't respond to my last question and I haven't really pursued. She's super attractive, but someone at that age isn't typically making the top 10 on my TDL.

[QUOTE=RamblinJavlin;7028001]Mizunate recommended her. I started chatting her up, but then she didn't respond to my last question and I haven't really pursued. She's super attractive, but someone at that age isn't typically making the top 10 on my TDL.[/QUOTE]She's nice, fun to chat with, all the things. Not at all 6'1" like she claims, though. Mom-bod, a bit rough around the edges, and lots of fun in the sack. Will BB, but there is a distinct odor in the basement (which doesn't dissipate) that should make you think twice about that.

Probably high volume, too. Her hosting is up in the air, but bank on her not hosting.

As I felt Seeking Arrangements was (is?) changing, I wanted to explore other options.

I gave Tinder a shot, and it was (is!) messy. People engage, then ghost, then just delete conversations. Rinse and repeat. Everyone is passively wasting time there. You CAN meet people from Tinder, of course, it just takes more effort than I feel it's worth, or feels random.

Secret Benefits is the closest competition for Seeking Arrangements, but does things slightly different. Instead of a monthly charge, you pay for credits. Everything "costs" 10 credits.

Want to start a conversation? 10 credits.

Want to reply to someone new who initiated a conversation? 10 credits.

Want to see their "Secret" album? 10 credits.

Want to see how they answered a few dating-app-like questions? 10 credits.

Want to "boost" your message to someone so it appears more prominently in their inbox? 10 credits.

You get the point.

As a business model, it works for Secret Benefits. It works for them because this "hobby" is largely a numbers game. You have to message a lot of people to get even one interaction. For various reasons. Or no reason at all. Women you try to start conversations with simply don't engage. The credits system means you end up spending more, and more often.

When you use all of your credits, Secret Benefits will offer to double your credits for free on your next purchase. If you buy within the next 10 minutes. Even with that double-credit "deal," you end up with the same number of non-responses. It's just more work, really. Whether you message 100 people or 200 people, you might end up with two replies.

The profiles I interacted with are shown to be active, and engaged on the site. There is a specific way to tell when girls are actually using the site and when they just have a browser tab of the site open or in the background. I know I wasn't messaging a defunct account.

The validity of the profiles is suspect in many cases, and the Secret Benefits team is really defensive of the idea there could be a single fake profile on the site. I edited my profile at one point to note I would only be interacting with verified profiles due to some accounts being fake, and the customer service team reached out to me immediately. And THEY edited my profile to remove mention of fake profiles. I find that alarming; you're not even in control of your own profile.

Verified profiles are billed as ones where girls post a short video where they say "let me be your secret. " And there are many verified profiles with those videos. There are also profiles shown to be verified which don't have those videos posted. I asked the Secret Benefits customer service team how posts can be verified without a video posted, and I was told the girls send the video in and the team verifies it, but the videos aren't posted to their profile. When I asked how a girl could request the video not be posted, I got no response.

I also found at least two videos I felt were created with A. I. - in part because I found the pictures to be taken from social media accounts of women who are overseas. The videos showed the women saying "let me be your secret," but the videos are of poor quality. One of the girls is an OnlyFans creator, too, and I wonder if she was paid to make the video without knowing what it would be used for. Speculation, of course, but it is suspect.

All that said, I feel many profiles on Secret Benefits are real women who are really in this area. I've chatted with a few, but conversations seem to fall off for no reason. I chalk this up to Secret Benefit's interface, which doesn't adequately highlight which conversations have new messages. It's easy to miss when someone messages you, especially if you get a lot of messages. I'd messaged many women a few times before I got a response (because I saw they were active) and each mentioned they were having issues keeping up with messages because of the site's layout.

Many women have profiles on both Secret Benefits and Seeking Arrangements. I've met two women on Secret Benefits who do not have Seeking Arrangements profiles, and both were an experience I chose not to repeat. One was very clearly on a lot of drugs (she said she was high on weed, but I think there were a lot of prescriptions at work, too), and the other just wasn't a very nice person. Not a representation of Secret Benefits, of course, but it was my experience with women on that site who are ready to meet up.

So, brass tacks: is Secret Benefits worth it?

Not really. It's not a firm "avoid this site at all costs," but I don't think that spending money on credits is effective or efficient. In an A / B test, I spent about 3 x at Secret Benefits and had the same number of conversations that felt as though they could lead to a date and / or fun.

I care about how much is spent out of pocket for meaningful interactions. Seeking Arrangements has a lot of fake users and other issues, but it's still the best bang for your buck (pun intended).

Maybe, in time, Secret Benefits will improve. I'd like to see it change how it displays new messages to people, and take verification more seriously. Secret Benefits feels like it's Temu compared to Seeking Arrangements as Amazon. Both are a mess in their own way, but you end up finding what you want at Seeking Arrangements more often than Secret Benefits.

[QUOTE=Mizunate;7028640]As I felt Seeking Arrangements was (is?) changing, I wanted to explore other options...[/QUOTE]This is a really helpful post, thank you for sharing!

[QUOTE=RamblinJavlin;6922588]She talks a bit, and you can't tell her anything because she's 23 and knows it all. But, she's a good GFE, and has a decent body with a tight clam. She's a virgin in the butt and is willing to get her ass stuffed. She needs help, so anything goes. She has incall.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6314f828-6def-47d4-a973-a704f5103b3b[/URL][/QUOTE]Her place is a dump. LOL.

Seeking is terrible at filtering out fake accounts. It can be hard to tell which accounts are fake early on. By the time may of us notice / recognize a fake, we've been texting them for weeks and they suddenly ask for money or want us to subscribe to their bogus OnlyFans or Snap profile.

You have to be discerning to find the fakes. First, as I've said before, ask yourself: is this hot girl really someone I think would be living in my area? Take a look around, are you seeing girls that good looking, generally? If not, this should sound alarm bells.

Second, how good are the pics? Most girls don't have professional photogs following them around. If the pics on the profile are crystal clear, chances are they're from some sort of professional account. This isn't always true, though; some women do have professional photos taken for various reasons, but if the pro photo seems like it's for a business or meant for some social media influencer thing, there's a good chance it's fake.

The same can be said for really grainy pics. Those are often screenshots of video or screengrabs on a mobile device.

Beyond the image quality, look for details. This account ([URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf300bf9-5912-402a-98e0-d4ad9fddd42f[/URL]) stood out. Take a look at the pic attached to this post. Zoom in on the feeder / trough. It's got a french website and Euro phone number. Now, why would a girl in "Portland" need a French trough for her cows I'm so, so sure she keep in her backyard.

(Also, she's 40? Not a chance.).

So I did the reverse image search, and found they came from this person. Who is in Germany: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/people/Marie-Hoffman/61551505466777/[/URL].

And it should go without saying, no, German farming (influencer Marie Hoffman is not in Portland, and probably has no idea her pics are being used on Seeking.

Anyway.

Details matter, as does a critical mind. A lot of us have wasted tons of time talking to fake users. I don't know about you, but I'd rather spend 5 minutes doing some sleuthing than days on end wondering when I might be able to meet someone that I simply can't.

(And I'm reporting the account, so if you can't access it on Seeking, that means the mods at Seeking actually took action on a report for once, which is itself a miracle.).