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Seriously, some of why'all are whiny pussies. And not very deep thinking at that.

No one berates someone for introducing a new girl they like to the group. Sure, they'll be skeptical and warn some folks, but it's not a death knell.

The stupid part is suggesting inviting new people that no one knows to a meet and greet event for established hobbyists that a small group knows and trusts. And every single M&G I've seen put together seems to have this problem. Someone thinks it'd be cool to bring along someone that was never invited because they're certain that new person is actually cool. But that's is NEVER the criteria for an invite. And it's why I never want to attend these things - 95% of the people I'm aware of being invited and scheduled to attend tomorrow are perfectly fine with me, but there is ALWAYS someone that takes liberties with the trust shown in them and make everyone uncomfortable. Could be a guy and his buddy or new GF. Could be a provider and her new friend under her wing. But it always seems to happen. One bad apple.

So despite some significant careful planning, this naive and / or ignorant element always shows up. What was A2's analogy a little while ago about knowing about the weed dealer but not broadcasting his contact info to everyone?

[QUOTE=Sara8032;2948678]Don't be a dick. You didn't post it as a rhetorical question. If it was a rhetorical question, there wouldn't have been a pm asking to bring her, nor the comments of being taken under someone's "breast". Don't be a dick, he isn't assuming. Dyoung35 says he met her on the street at a convenience store or something to that effect so Freckle Freak isn't assuming. He's not lecturing, I asked him to step in because the size of the hole in your ass that would have ensued from the ass reaming I wanted to give you would have harmed my reputation of being fucking nice. I am fucking nice, but don't piss me off because I can be not so fucking nice too.

You know absolutely nothing about this freaking chick. Sure she could be introduced to everyone, sure she can be a ruse and everyone put in harms way as you try to white knight her. She's living on the street for one reason or the other. How many times on here that you read a few good posts about a chick that then goes bad? A few of you wanted to white knight Lily a few months back. Where is Lily now? Where is the money stolen from Renee now? Hmmm, can you answer that? What's her real name? Any previous issues of any kind with LE? Maybe she is that good, or so tight, that when she clamped down on you man parts that your brain seized and eyes shut. But two reviews doesn't not a reputation make.

When you so openly show lack of discretion and common sense, your participation in meet and greets will be marginal at best as you simply won't be included. You piss off or appear disrespectful to someone who's been around since the oldest profession turned its first trick and you lose street cred. So you seriously need to back the fuck up. Yes the m&g is quasi public knowledge but still be smart about it. So, kindly pull your head out of your ass, don't piss the hostess off, don't disrespect a senior member that teaches others about the hobby (whether by offering advice or lecturing) and plan on having a good freaking time.

I caution you tho. Do not debate this any further. You were thinking with your little head. You need to swallow your pride and drop it before you not only shoot yourself in the foot, but the other foot, the left knee, the right knee, the groin. Get the picture? You do not want to find yourself cutoff or shunned. Capiche?[/QUOTE]Everyone reading these threats carefully? See what I mean about why people don't want to post their opinions. When you get on the wrong side they go down to the personal character level. Are you reading this A2? You think this forum is going to continue for long when everyone can see the threats? I'm now adding Sara to my list of people who should be banned. It only takes a few A2 to make an example for everyone else that even thinks of making these veiled threats, then it stops!

First and foremost: I should have been less sarcastic and abrupt on my first post in response to MrEnvious regarding the SW / UTR / Escort that he insinuated publicly to be invited to the M&G without first consulting the party planners. For that I apologize. Had I handled it differently this my not have resulted in a war but at this point I think it would have anyway. This in no way means that I believe my criticism of the situation was incorrect. I stand by these two facts.

1. Don't publicly invite or insinuate that someone should be invited to a M&G without first clearing it through the host and / or hostess.

2. Most of the people attending the M&G, especially the owner of the facility where it is being held, don't want an unverified, brand new, unknown (3 reports is unknown) SW / UTR / Escort at a very private party. It should have been decided by a consensus of the party planners / attendee's not an invitee. By the way several senior mongers were consulted about the list of invitees both Hobbyists and Providers. I was invited but will not be attending because I had previous plans for that day.

Second: Dyoung35 You did nothing wrong in my opinion and I think in most peoples opinion. Keep up the good work.

Third: My post about UTR's is in the wrong thread. I put it in the Prickyard because that is where the discussion began. I am moving it to it's own blog so the topic can be discussed. I agree with Jjbee that there may be no clear answer but it's worth discussing. The post I made has nothing to do with Dyoung35 or MrEnvious. It was a fact finding post and I think it was interpreted to be a slam on specific mongers which it wasn't.

Fourth: It has come to my attention that some Lurkers on the board are scared to make posts and become more active on the board. I thank Nostra for this information. This goes against the purpose of this forum. So I will be starting a Lurkers blog, with A2's permission where newbies and lurkers can ask questions without concern for getting bashed in the Prickyard. Good mongers are always needed on this board and most are good. We need to respectfully exchange information. We need to watch out for each other, hobbyists and providers alike.

Fifth: I am not king of anything. I earned my stripes by getting kicked in the balls several times by older seniors, many no longer on the board, throughout my time here. Some of you need to learn that getting your balls kicked is part of the learning process. As far as who I review, I do it wisely. If someone is already getting several reviews I may not review them. I also limit the types of providers I see and over the past couple of years I seldom see a provider if she doesn't have freckles. I don't do AMPs or SW's. I lived with a provider for 5 years. I have had 5 providers stay at my house in the past 6 months with no strings attached because I wanted them to have a safe place to come to when they needed somewhere to go. Many of my good monger friends know this and they know who they are. I have made many mistakes in this hobby and all I have tried to do is help others learn from my mistakes and keep a little humanity on the board.

In regards to people attacking me, go ahead. I really don't care. I am sarcastic, blunt but I am one hell of a nice guy and just want people to be safe and show the ladies some respect. 90% of the active mongers on the Indy forum know what I have contributed in the past and would stand by me in almost any situation. MrEnvious believe it or not but you wouldn't have seen half of the providers you did without my back channel help that you never knew about. So go ahead and have me banned. I have every major providers number on my speed dial so the board is not my main source of stirring shit. I told IG months ago you were a loose cannon and to be careful. My intuition has proven to be true. Now continue your rants because I have no further response to anything you say. You, like IndyAnon, have hit my ignore button.

It's going absolutely nowhere. I'd rather be around a 300+ pound man's smelly ballsack than to continue reading this ongoing stalemate. Also since we love definitions here. Stalemate: "The definition of a stalemate is a deadlock, an unresolved situation which no one can win. " Go get yourselves some good pussy guys! No matter if it's UTR, SW, Freckled, Redhead that curtain matches the drapes, younger, mature, spinner, or curvy! Doesn't matter just go get your dicks wet and be happy!

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2949468]The other half will just have to decide for themselves whether it is worth it to them to attend if only those in FF's circle of friends are coming anyway.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, I can say for a definitive fact that none of the three mongers that you pointed out know each other at all. If anything, more of the mongers that will attend the M&G fall under my circle of friends.

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2949468]I would even be willing to bet that others on this board do not contribute because they don't want to be the target of FF, JJBEE62 and MWDUDE's criticism.
[/QUOTE]Why would anyone not contribute for fear of the three you mention. Unless a monger chooses otherwise, the board can be completely anonymous. So what if someone criticizes you? This is a message to all. As A2 has said in the past, if you do not like someone or what they say, just click that wonderful little ignore button. JJ can say I am not a Prince but the court jester with a thimble size bowl of soup. This ain't going to stop me from contributing.

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2949468]And as you can read into IndyGuy123's comments, you don't want to piss off the FF because there will be ramifications. I hope A2 took note of that veiled threat to anyone else who dare contribute and risk the ridicule of FF and friends.[/QUOTE]Maybe it was my middle of the night, poorly worded analogy but that was not the point that was intended. It was actually not anything to do with this forum at all. In case anyone has crazy thoughts, no I am not talking about physical violence either.

Now this is a message to all involved in this thread in the last 24 hours or so. Everyone says they are done with it but then someone pipes up and puts the match to it again. Then the fire is back blazing. I tried to put a stop to this early on today. If anyone truly wants to be done with this discussion, read this post, and do not hit reply.

For those that complain about the arguing and or fun and games that go on in The Prickyard, if you do not like it, just don't even click into the thread. However, I can for sure say that all the activity in The Prickyard and Indy as a whole is good for USA. I personally know of mongers in 4 different states that read the Indy forums daily just for entertainment purposes. I apologize to Jackson and A2 if I am wrong but I can only assume that the increased traffic helps generate further revenue to the site and is beneficial in the end.

[QUOTE=IndyAnon;2949475]Just ignore them. There opinions are worthless and they really can't' "do" anything other then ***** and moan to one another in the prickyard like a bunch of drama queens. Why do you think they frequent this part of the forum so much?[/QUOTE]I know you are not one to talk. You post in Muncie and Indy. In Indy, your posts are basically limited to arguing in this thread (at least for the last 6 months or so that I looked at). Your problem with FF all started because you basically were promoting a provider that had returned from a hiatus. Unlike a number of members of this forum who knew a great deal of her history, you took her word over everyone else. You knew zero of the history of that provider and didn't care to listen to anyone else because you were pussy blind. By the way, do not try and argue on this one. Anyone that was a member of this forum at this time last year can tell you about the history of that provider and I.

Keeping it Simple,
The Biggest Prick in the Yard
*Since I have my woman of choice, it may just be time to take a break again*

[QUOTE=IndyGuy123;2949813]
Your problem with FF all started because you basically were promoting a provider that had returned from a hiatus. Unlike a number of members of this forum who knew a great deal of her history, you took her word over everyone else. You knew zero of the history of that provider and didn't care to listen to anyone else because you were pussy blind. By the way, do not try and argue on this one. Anyone that was a member of this forum at this time last year can tell you about the history of that provider and I.
[/QUOTE]I never met or talked with your girl SexyRed. I informed the forum to tread with caution as it has been said that FF has had more then just a casual interest in providers in the past. Threating to turn the provider in to CPS etc... To what each individual believes... Well that's up to them.

As for SexyRed, I heard of the STD issue but if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Why act surprised?

Last night I dreamed I was a muffler.

This morning I woke up exhausted.

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2949614]Every time I try to make it my last word, someone does the usual and opens another can of worms that requires further discussion. [/QUOTE]The trick is, never declare the discussion over, unless you're going to stick to your decision.

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You say you didn't criticize but anyone can see you criticized my spelling and grammar as though that is important. I type fast, so what. I'm a busy person. I don't always check my spelling and grammar. I have limited time for that on this forum.[/QUOTE]Because you failed to understand anything in my post, decided it was an attack and stated I was wrong. When you choose that route, be certain.

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I have seen the other city posts. You are right some are uninformative. Those cities have a large agency system that dates back many years before BP. Agencies still run the escort services in those big cities and there isn't much need for a forum like this. Every agency is going to provide fantastic girls in Miami for instance. Not much need for a forum, or maybe it just hasn't caught on in the bigger cities for some other reason.[/QUOTE]I've spent some time in Miami and it definitely needs an active forum, much more so than Indianapolis. Every agency doesn't provide fantastic girls, they play the bait and switch game. Regardless of the agencies, any city with active mongers (every city) benefits from an active support community. Phoenix, Houston, San Diego, Seattle, Dallas / Ft. Worth, Albuquerque, all cities where I've spent a lot of time and all cities where the forums are very weak, all places where they need a strong forum. If you think there isn't a need, you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

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I already apologized to Bob. I only said I bet you didn't see her. I never criticized his character as is your standard. I have seen your writings before. You always try to turn it around on the other person and accuse them of being emotional.[/QUOTE]You said:

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2948247][B]Someone isnt telling the truth [/B]
I'm willing to bet money that you cannot verify! Want to bet?[/QUOTE]You don't consider that criticizing his character?

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I'm sure others see that pattern also. There is a difference between disagreeing and attacking the character of the person.

If you read carefully you will notice that I try to remain objective. I don't make character attacks. [/QUOTE]See above.

[QUOTE]I have privately PM'd FF in the past complimenting him on somethings he has written. That's my nature.

Yes the posts here are greater in number than other cities but the majority are not informative, they are mostly non-sense. So, you can't just count posts. That is the point. Whenever these posts dive down into character and intent of the poster they stop being productive and just argumentative.[/QUOTE]I'm going to assume you made this part up. I doubt if you just read 42,000 posts, keeping track of which ones are useful. What qualifies as useful? Is a bad review that has no useful information, no link, useful? Is a post where someone explains how to keep from getting ripped off, not useful? Who decides? If I posted tips for how to make the most of an AMP visit, is that a wasted post? If FF posts more newbie tips, is that also useless? You seem to be on shaky ground here.

[QUOTE]All A2 has to do is look at the number of posts by You, MWDUDE, and FF and see how many are actual reviews of providers. That's all that matters. Not how many posts. Believe me, you won't be missed on this forum.[/QUOTE]That's all? Just go back and read 42,000 posts, keeping a running total of reviews by everyone (because the only way to be fair is to check every single user) compared to their total posts count? Then decide which non-review posts are helpful? I'm not sure A2, or anyone has the time for that. Or did you suppose that A2 would just start banning people on your recommendation?

[QUOTE]Now let me give you an analogy to the original discussion. FF accused me a having broken some etiquette.

So to use his wedding analogy, suppose I put a public post on a public forum suggesting that the bride's ex-boyfriend be invited to the party. Clearly that would be inappropriate.

Or suppose I suggest they invite the groom's ex-girlfriend. Same problem.

Now suppose I went to a party last night and heard great band playing. Then I posted a message that the bride and groom should invite this band to play at the reception party.

Maybe to you that is bad etiquette. But not to me.[/QUOTE]If you're going to use an analogy, make it relevant. We can even stick with the wedding analogy.

You've been invited to a wedding and the invitation states, this is a private affair and only close friends of the couple are invited. Just before the wedding you post, on the couple's FB, you want to bring a complete stranger. The bride and groom both say this is unacceptable. Instead of accepting they have the right to choose the wedding guests, you argue with them. That is the correct analogy.

Even if your band analogy worked, you're still wrong, as anyone who has ever planned a wedding can tell you. The proper way to handle it is to call the bride, mention the band as a possibility for the reception. You would then be told the band has already been booked, because you don't wait until 3 days before a wedding to book a band. If you push, you'll find the band is more than they can afford, the band chosen is somebody's cousin's band and it's too late to change. But you didn't suggest the band to the person responsible for planning the wedding, you shouted it out to all the guests, the whole wedding party and the band that is already booked for the wedding. Yet you fail to recognize this as a problem and insult the bride (Sara), groom (FF) and mother of the bride (IndyGuy), because they won't switch to your band. For the record, you don't invite a band to play at wedding reception, you book them and pay them.

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At the M&G, you are not the entertainment I would have come to see. I promise. Instead, I would have come for the providers, because they are the entertainment.

Suggesting another possible "entertainer" be invited isn't any different than the analogy above.[/QUOTE]Perhaps one of us doesn't understand the purpose of a meet & greet. I never considered the providers (or myself) as entertainment. I considered it an opportunity for us all to meet, as equals, on neutral ground. Simply a chance to connect faces with names. If some other transaction occurs as a result, well and good, but I never expected any of the guests to entertain me. If you can't grasp this, you'll never understand why suggesting another unknown "entertainer" be invited (didn't you say the invite was rhetorical?) is inappropriate.

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But, you and FF's other friends suggest that my character is flawed and I have no common sense.[/QUOTE]No. We (although it's a stretch to call me a friend of FF, I've never met him) said you made a mistake. A mistake isn't a character flaw. However, failing to accept the mistake and turning a simple misunderstanding into a major drama-fest is a character flaw. Maybe later we can discuss my character flaws, I have many.

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Then I caught FF completely contradicting himself about talking about something when one is not a party in the room. Not one of you came out and said, yes, that is true. MrEnvious makes a very good point.

Why not? Everyone knows why not. You completely ignored my point about IndyGuy123's veiled threat about pissing off FF. So, of course, no one will.[/QUOTE]Because this isn't about FF or IndyGuy. Until you recognize the mistake you made, no point you make matters. It's not because we're all ganging up on you.

As for the "veiled threat" that's only in your mind. Haven't you paid attention to the board? Haven't you seen the responses from several people when someone decides to declare war on one of the respected members? It is not something that will win you any friends. It is something that will make some providers reconsider your status.

[QUOTE]Now on top of all that I said, "I think I'll un-invite myself to the M&G". Can you really blame me?

You are entitled to your opinions. You are not entitled to character assassinations without receiving a response.

I will let others on this board be the judge.

The only way we can find out if I am right about others posting responses without you guys on here is to try it. What are you afraid of? I might be proven right?[/QUOTE]Blame you for uninviting yourself? I suspect that your action was purely symbolic. Plus, I've never understood the obsession with blame. I don't care who caused the problem, let's focus on fixing the problem. In this case, the only person who could fix the problem is you. It was a simple fix. All you had to do is say "I understand" and the whole thing would have disappeared. Nobody would have been upset, nobody would have held a grudge and nobody would have questioned your character or judgement.

There has been no character assassinations, certainly not by me. If anything, this whole thing looks like a character suicide.

Afraid you're right? Let's test it out. I will post nothing, unless I have a review to post, for the next 2 weeks. Maybe FF, IndyGuy123, Mwdude and any others you want to single out, will do the same. I think we're averaging roughly 4 reviews per day. Since you're stating we are a major hindrance to reviews, let's set a level of 10 reviews per day, with half from new users (less than 20 posts). I can't speak for the others, but if that level is met, I'll close my account and never return. If we don't hit the mark, will you do the same?

Now, I'm done with this conversation and any others until June 25.

[QUOTE=IndyGuy123;2949813]Believe it or not, I can say for a definitive fact that none of the three mongers that you pointed out know each other at all. If anything, more of the mongers that will attend the M&G fall under my circle of friends.

Why would anyone not contribute for fear of the three you mention. Unless a monger chooses otherwise, the board can be completely anonymous. So what if someone criticizes you? This is a message to all. As A2 has said in the past, if you do not like someone or what they say, just click that wonderful little ignore button. JJ can say I am not a Prince but the court jester with a thimble size bowl of soup. This ain't going to stop me from contributing.

Maybe it was my middle of the night, poorly worded analogy but that was not the point that was intended. It was actually not anything to do with this forum at all. In case anyone has crazy thoughts, no I am not talking about physical violence either.

Now this is a message to all involved in this thread in the last 24 hours or so. Everyone says they are done with it but then someone pipes up and puts the match to it again. Then the fire is back blazing. I tried to put a stop to this early on today. If anyone truly wants to be done with this discussion, read this post, and do not hit reply.

For those that complain about the arguing and or fun and games that go on in The Prickyard, if you do not like it, just don't even click into the thread. However, I can for sure say that all the activity in The Prickyard and Indy as a whole is good for USA. I personally know of mongers in 4 different states that read the Indy forums daily just for entertainment purposes. I apologize to Jackson and A2 if I am wrong but I can only assume that the increased traffic helps generate further revenue to the site and is beneficial in the end.

I know you are not one to talk. You post in Muncie and Indy. In Indy, your posts are basically limited to arguing in this thread (at least for the last 6 months or so that I looked at). Your problem with FF all started because you basically were promoting a provider that had returned from a hiatus. Unlike a number of members of this forum who knew a great deal of her history, you took her word over everyone else. You knew zero of the history of that provider and didn't care to listen to anyone else because you were pussy blind. By the way, do not try and argue on this one. Anyone that was a member of this forum at this time last year can tell you about the history of that provider and I.

Keeping it Simple,
The Biggest Prick in the Yard
*Since I have my woman of choice, it may just be time to take a break again*[/QUOTE]This all started because I gave a review on a new girl. I wrote one sentence - "can she be invited to the m&g"? Then here comes the barrage of insults and threats from Sara, FF, jjbee, etc. ALL that was necessary was a simple - "No because she is not well know enough". Can it be any simpler than that? I don't think so. No harm would have been done. I didn't even expect that response publicly, for all the reasons FF gave. Hence, the reason I PM'd the question. Then Sara publicly attacks me for that too!

But, now we all have seen how things are done on this board. If you cross the wrong person you will not see any of the girls in the circle of friends. You will be banned! Really, that's suppose to make everyone feel free to join in and share information? Sure we are all anonymous but our handles are how we identify ourselves to providers.

Now everyone can see the danger. What if they say one thing wrong and get the same treatment.

The only way to fix this is for FF to fix it! Everyone wants to protect and defend him and he holds the key. He wrote apology but then says he's going to hit the ignore button on me. Guess what? That sends a message to everyone else on this board. You better ignore MrEnvious too, because FF did and you know what Sara threatened. So, just play along to get along or else you could be the next target of an "ignore" or ban. You see, he is sending a signal to everyone else! Sara already made it clear that he is the oldest and the wisest. So, if you cross him you have crossed all of us.

This won't be fixed until that nonsense ends.

So here are the two choices I can come up with for a real and final peace!

1).

A2 can fix it by banning the top few for 2 months. Make it clear that these threats are only going to stop contributions and that is contrary to the purpose of this forum. If people make mistakes or disagree, then that shouldn't be a threat to anyone.

2).

FF takes another step back and agrees to disagree with my ONE SENTENCE. Then says, no one should ignore or cause any consequences to MrEnvious because we had a difference of opinion. Then A2 can see clearly that there will be no more threats or attempts to ban someone from providers simply for disagreeing in an objective non-character attacking way.

But, right now FF left everything hanging so that the veil of threat is still hanging out there. It's up to him. He removes the ignore button or the veil of threat clearly displayed by Sara applies to everyone on this board who ever dare say the "wrong thing" again.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2949856]Yet you fail to recognize this as a problem and insult the bride (Sara), groom (FF) and mother of the bride (IndyGuy).[/QUOTE]When she finds out that you are Sara's mother! So don't you think you should tell her the truth about you? It might make consummating the marriage a little difficult! Oh and don't worry Hun (Sara) I have been stocking up on Viagra for our special night together.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2949856]The trick is, never declare the discussion over, unless you're going to stick to your decision.

Because you failed to understand anything in my post, decided it was an attack and stated I was wrong. When you choose that route, be certain.

I've spent some time in Miami and it definitely needs an active forum, much more so than Indianapolis. Every agency doesn't provide fantastic girls, they play the bait and switch game. Regardless of the agencies, any city with active mongers (every city) benefits from an active support community. Phoenix, Houston, San Diego, Seattle, Dallas / Ft. Worth, Albuquerque, all cities where I've spent a lot of time and all cities where the forums are very weak, all places where they need a strong forum. If you think there isn't a need, you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

You said:

You don't consider that criticizing his character?

See above.

I'm going to assume you made this part up. I doubt if you just read 42,000 posts, keeping track of which ones are useful. What qualifies as useful? Is a bad review that has no useful information, no link, useful? Is a post where someone explains how to keep from getting ripped off, not useful? Who decides? If I posted tips for how to make the most of an AMP visit, is that a wasted post? If FF posts more newbie tips, is that also useless? You seem to be on shaky ground here.

That's all? Just go back and read 42,000 posts, keeping a running total of reviews by everyone (because the only way to be fair is to check every single user) compared to their total posts count? Then decide which non-review posts are helpful? I'm not sure A2, or anyone has the time for that. Or did you suppose that A2 would just start banning people on your recommendation?

If you're going to use an analogy, make it relevant. We can even stick with the wedding analogy.

You've been invited to a wedding and the invitation states, this is a private affair and only close friends of the couple are invited. Just before the wedding you post, on the couple's FB, you want to bring a complete stranger. The bride and groom both say this is unacceptable. Instead of accepting they have the right to choose the wedding guests, you argue with them. That is the correct analogy.

Even if your band analogy worked, you're still wrong, as anyone who has ever planned a wedding can tell you. The proper way to handle it is to call the bride, mention the band as a possibility for the reception. You would then be told the band has already been booked, because you don't wait until 3 days before a wedding to book a band. If you push, you'll find the band is more than they can afford, the band chosen is somebody's cousin's band and it's too late to change. But you didn't suggest the band to the person responsible for planning the wedding, you shouted it out to all the guests, the whole wedding party and the band that is already booked for the wedding. Yet you fail to recognize this as a problem and insult the bride (Sara), groom (FF) and mother of the bride (IndyGuy), because they won't switch to your band. For the record, you don't invite a band to play at wedding reception, you book them and pay them.

Perhaps one of us doesn't understand the purpose of a meet & greet. I never considered the providers (or myself) as entertainment. I considered it an opportunity for us all to meet, as equals, on neutral ground. Simply a chance to connect faces with names. If some other transaction occurs as a result, well and good, but I never expected any of the guests to entertain me. If you can't grasp this, you'll never understand why suggesting another unknown "entertainer" be invited (didn't you say the invite was rhetorical?) is inappropriate.

No. We (although it's a stretch to call me a friend of FF, I've never met him) said you made a mistake. A mistake isn't a character flaw. However, failing to accept the mistake and turning a simple misunderstanding into a major drama-fest is a character flaw. Maybe later we can discuss my character flaws, I have many.

Because this isn't about FF or IndyGuy. Until you recognize the mistake you made, no point you make matters. It's not because we're all ganging up on you.

As for the "veiled threat" that's only in your mind. Haven't you paid attention to the board? Haven't you seen the responses from several people when someone decides to declare war on one of the respected members? It is not something that will win you any friends. It is something that will make some providers reconsider your status.

Blame you for uninviting yourself? I suspect that your action was purely symbolic. Plus, I've never understood the obsession with blame. I don't care who caused the problem, let's focus on fixing the problem. In this case, the only person who could fix the problem is you. It was a simple fix. All you had to do is say "I understand" and the whole thing would have disappeared. Nobody would have been upset, nobody would have held a grudge and nobody would have questioned your character or judgement.

There has been no character assassinations, certainly not by me. If anything, this whole thing looks like a character suicide.

Afraid you're right? Let's test it out. I will post nothing, unless I have a review to post, for the next 2 weeks. Maybe FF, IndyGuy123, Mwdude and any others you want to single out, will do the same. I think we're averaging roughly 4 reviews per day. Since you're stating we are a major hindrance to reviews, let's set a level of 10 reviews per day, with half from new users (less than 20 posts). I can't speak for the others, but if that level is met, I'll close my account and never return. If we don't hit the mark, will you do the same?

Now, I'm done with this conversation and any others until June 25.[/QUOTE]Nice try. I never continued to argue that the new girl should be able to come. I only argued about the etiquette of the question.

I don't need to read all 42,000 posts. I just need to read enough of yours to see the pattern! You already made the argument for me that you guys do most of the posting.

You posts don't contribute reviews. They just contribute criticisms. What people are looking for here is object information. They don't want to receive any insults or arguments about intent, character or the like.

Your self administered moratorium won't work until everyone feels safe to post here. See my other post about how that might be achieved. Again, all you do is argue. Sure, there are good and bad agencies in Miami. I never said differently but there you go again bringing up another argument that wasn't in my post.

You even want to argue over you "book" vs "invite" a band to a wedding reception. Really! I mean really! This gets tiring. What is the point of this?

BTW. I never insulted Sara, or FF or mwdude. I pointed out a pattern of behavior and that is it. I could go on with more but I think everyone gets the point. If anyone dare disagree with you it will turn into a non-stop diatribe of insults and false accusations until they submit and quit responding to you. Then you win. Everyone learns their lesson AND NO ONE WANTS to post anything on here. AND that is the point! The forum fails to achieve its purpose.

[QUOTE=MrEnvious;2949877]This all started because I gave a review on a new girl. I wrote one sentence - "can she be invited to the m&g"? Then here comes the barrage of insults and threats from Sara, FF, jjbee, etc. ALL that was necessary was a simple - "No because she is not well know enough". Can it be any simpler than that? I don't think so. No harm would have been done. I didn't even expect that response publicly, for all the reasons FF gave. Hence, the reason I PM'd the question. Then Sara publicly attacks me for that too!

But, now we all have seen how things are done on this board. If you cross the wrong person you will not see any of the girls in the circle of friends. You will be banned! Really, that's suppose to make everyone feel free to join in and share information? Sure we are all anonymous but our handles are how we identify ourselves to providers.

Now everyone can see the danger. What if they say one thing wrong and get the same treatment.

The only way to fix this is for FF to fix it! Everyone wants to protect and defend him and he holds the key. He wrote apology but then says he's going to hit the ignore button on me. Guess what? That sends a message to everyone else on this board. You better ignore MrEnvious too, because FF did and you know what Sara threatened. So, just play along to get along or else you could be the next target of an "ignore" or ban. You see, he is sending a signal to everyone else! Sara already made it clear that he is the oldest and the wisest. So, if you cross him you have crossed all of us.

This won't be fixed until that nonsense ends.

So here are the two choices I can come up with for a real and final peace!

1).

A2 can fix it by banning the top few for 2 months. Make it clear that these threats are only going to stop contributions and that is contrary to the purpose of this forum. If people make mistakes or disagree, then that shouldn't be a threat to anyone.

2).

FF takes another step back and agrees to disagree with my ONE SENTENCE. Then says, no one should ignore or cause any consequences to MrEnvious because we had a difference of opinion. Then A2 can see clearly that there will be no more threats or attempts to ban someone from providers simply for disagreeing in an objective non-character attacking way.

But, right now FF left everything hanging so that the veil of threat is still hanging out there. It's up to him. He removes the ignore button or the veil of threat clearly displayed by Sara applies to everyone on this board who ever dare say the "wrong thing" again.[/QUOTE]Option 3. STOP POSTING AND ARGUING ABOUT IT.

[QUOTE=IndyAnon;2949839]I never met or talked with your girl SexyRed. I informed the forum to tread with caution as it has been said that FF has had more then just a casual interest in providers in the past. Threating to turn the provider in to CPS etc... To what each individual believes... Well that's up to them.

As for SexyRed, I heard of the STD issue but if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Why act surprised?[/QUOTE]If you never met or talked with Red, I would love to know where you received this info. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the facts you received are wrong. This is coming from the man (not monger in this point) that spent more time with her than every member of this board combined.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2949856]the bride (Sara), groom (FF) and mother of the bride (IndyGuy)[/QUOTE]Hey you asshole! Why I got to be the mother of the bride? I can accept father of the bride (lord knows I am old enough) or sick bastard that used to bang the bride after she had drank one too many Cosmos at the Elks Lodge. LOL.

Sincerely Signed,

The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2949803]First and foremost: I should have been less sarcastic and abrupt on my first post in response to MrEnvious regarding the SW / UTR / Escort that he insinuated publicly to be invited to the M&G without first consulting the party planners. For that I apologize. Had I handled it differently this my not have resulted in a war but at this point I think it would have anyway. This in no way means that I believe my criticism of the situation was incorrect. I stand by these two facts.

1. Don't publicly invite or insinuate that someone should be invited to a M&G without first clearing it through the host and / or hostess.

2. Most of the people attending the M&G, especially the owner of the facility where it is being held, don't want an unverified, brand new, unknown (3 reports is unknown) SW / UTR / Escort at a very private party. It should have been decided by a consensus of the party planners / attendee's not an invitee. By the way several senior mongers were consulted about the list of invitees both Hobbyists and Providers. I was invited but will not be attending because I had previous plans for that day.

Second: Dyoung35 You did nothing wrong in my opinion and I think in most peoples opinion. Keep up the good work.

Third: My post about UTR's is in the wrong thread. I put it in the Prickyard because that is where the discussion began. I am moving it to it's own blog so the topic can be discussed. I agree with Jjbee that there may be no clear answer but it's worth discussing. The post I made has nothing to do with Dyoung35 or MrEnvious. It was a fact finding post and I think it was interpreted to be a slam on specific mongers which it wasn't.

Fourth: It has come to my attention that some Lurkers on the board are scared to make posts and become more active on the board. I thank Nostra for this information. This goes against the purpose of this forum. So I will be starting a Lurkers blog, with A2's permission where newbies and lurkers can ask questions without concern for getting bashed in the Prickyard. Good mongers are always needed on this board and most are good. We need to respectfully exchange information. We need to watch out for each other, hobbyists and providers alike.

Fifth: I am not king of anything. I earned my stripes by getting kicked in the balls several times by older seniors, many no longer on the board, throughout my time here. Some of you need to learn that getting your balls kicked is part of the learning process. As far as who I review, I do it wisely. If someone is already getting several reviews I may not review them. I also limit the types of providers I see and over the past couple of years I seldom see a provider if she doesn't have freckles. I don't do AMPs or SW's. I lived with a provider for 5 years. I have had 5 providers stay at my house in the past 6 months with no strings attached because I wanted them to have a safe place to come to when they needed somewhere to go. Many of my good monger friends know this and they know who they are. I have made many mistakes in this hobby and all I have tried to do is help others learn from my mistakes and keep a little humanity on the board.

In regards to people attacking me, go ahead. I really don't care. I am sarcastic, blunt but I am one hell of a nice guy and just want people to be safe and show the ladies some respect. 90% of the active mongers on the Indy forum know what I have contributed in the past and would stand by me in almost any situation. MrEnvious believe it or not but you wouldn't have seen half of the providers you did without my back channel help that you never knew about. So go ahead and have me banned. I have every major providers number on my speed dial so the board is not my main source of stirring shit. I told IG months ago you were a loose cannon and to be careful. My intuition has proven to be true. Now continue your rants because I have no further response to anything you say. You, like IndyAnon, have hit my ignore button.[/QUOTE]Here we go again. I never attacked you and no one else here would dare. I get another insult because I said something he says broke an etiquette rule. That is all it takes and the character assassinations continue. Pay close attention everyone and post at your own risk. You cross FF, then you crossed SARA. If you cross Sara then you will be banned by her circle of providers. See how the game works?

Everyone needs to go back and read my review on the new girl. Notice the one sentence that sets all this off. I never said "I'm bringing this new girl to the M&G"! That is what they are trying to imply I said or threatened to do. This is how they play the game! First they attack your character then they accuse you falsely of doing something or saying something you never said. Then they try to give an apology and at the same time insult you again - "you are a loose canon"!

Everyone reading this sees the threats and the false accusations. They can read my post and see, what I actually said!

I have said this three times now. This is my last attempt.

Everyone involved has clearly expressed their opinions and beliefs. We all know what they are no matter who you agree with. Now this is me asking EVERYONE involved to swallow your mountain size pride or whatever you want to call it. Don't anyone reply to anyone on this subject or anything directly related to it. I am not pointing fingers at anyone on this but this whole shit has already caused me problems that goe way beyond this board in ways that you will likely never know.

Hopefully Signed,

Indy Guy.