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They have a 112 page document from this research paper on Mongers and quotes a lot of posts from here.

[url]http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-johns-prostitutes-sex.html[/url]

Those who perform research for a living would refer to this "study" by CAASE as a "Bought & Sold". A group has a pre-determined conclusion on a given topic, and performs a "statistical, quantitative analysis" of data from an information source to support the conclusions already arrived at. Generally this is done by underfunded organizations seeking to establish credibility when they are about to campaign for increased (governmental, public) funding. The "research" is then pointed to as proof of their value, and a primary rationale in supporting the group's request for increased funding. It's also a good mechanism for creating a splash on behalf of a team leader analyst who hankers to ditch the public service gig and hit the book circuit, getting wealthy in the process. No "researcher" respecting of their personal "credibility" would agree to have their name assigned to such an obvious sham, and those who's names appear on the header of this CASE publication should be ashamed to be associated with such an effort labeled as "research". Credibility is as credibility does.

With that said, there is an alternative. Private boards.

[QUOTE=NoSmoking; 1648842]They have a 112 page document from this research paper on Mongers and quotes a lot of posts from here.

[url]http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-johns-prostitutes-sex.html[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoSmoking; 1648842]They have a 112 page document from this research paper on Mongers and quotes a lot of posts from here.

[url]http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-johns-prostitutes-sex.html[/url][/QUOTE]I heard this story on the radio recently. Funny how all of the quotes in the article are from women.

Careful out there guys. I foresee an uptick in stings in the area soon.

[quote=dudder; 1648743]"johns" creating brotherhood in search for online sex.

"mongers" help each other find prostitutes, rating them by looks, performance and attitudeby marion friday, jan 11, 2013 | updated 7:13 pm cst.

illinois study finds thriving online marketplace for sex trade. marion reports.

it's no secret that the oldest profession in the world has taken advantage of digital technology, but a new study shows that the men who seek prostitutes have created a sort of online brotherhood.

the chicago alliance against sexual exploitation (caase) monitored a web site called usa sex guide, chat forums for men who buy sex, referred to as "mongers."

the mongers had created a sort of brotherhood, and helped each other find prostitutes, rating them by looks, performance and attitude.

"they've found a community. they are not alone anymore, they are not an individual who is privately seeking something," the study's author, lara said."they feel they have this brotherhood they can turn to for support."

the study also revealed an alarming attitude toward violence, human trafficking and **** girls.

"many are aware they are purchasing sex from **** girls. they still do it," janson said.

it seems like police crackdowns on the streets are working. several posts warned of increased law enforcement, with some of the mongers saying it's led them to reconsider their "hobby."

"what we really want law enforcement to do is stop arresting prostitutes and start arresting johns. we've hard from their own words that is what actually will deter them, if they felt a consequence for what they are doing," caase executive director durchslag said.[/quote]**** girls? where did they get that from?

[quote=fdottt;1649053]**** girls? where did they get that from?[/quote]or violence towards women?

[QUOTE=LeadEdge; 1648949]Those who perform research for a living would refer to this "study" by CAASE as a "Bought & Sold". A group has a pre-determined conclusion on a given topic, and performs a "statistical, quantitative analysis" of data from an information source to support the conclusions already arrived at. Generally this is done by underfunded organizations seeking to establish credibility when they are about to campaign for increased (governmental, public) funding. The "research" is then pointed to as proof of their value, and a primary rationale in supporting the group's request for increased funding. It's also a good mechanism for creating a splash on behalf of a team leader analyst who hankers to ditch the public service gig and hit the book circuit, getting wealthy in the process. No "researcher" respecting of their personal "credibility" would agree to have their name assigned to such an obvious sham, and those who's names appear on the header of this CASE publication should be ashamed to be associated with such an effort labeled as "research". Credibility is as credibility does.

With that said, there is an alternative. Private boards.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I read the entire "study" and there was nothing objective about it at all. The objective was framed long before and this study just stuck with this narrative.

[QUOTE=NoSmoking; 1648842]They have a 112 page document from this research paper on Mongers and quotes a lot of posts from here.

[url]http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-johns-prostitutes-sex.html[/url][/QUOTE]So where's the study on Chicago's homicide rate?

I agree with this I can imagine once they outreach to city pd it's going to get a bit uneasy. WTF does this have to happen? How were they allowed to take images and quotes from the site? When a user enters it states they cannot take any info without written consentt I hope USA sex guide sues the hell out of this feminist group trying to make the dreaming world difficult.

[QUOTE]Careful out there guys. I foresee an uptick in stings in the area soon.[/QUOTE]

[quote=jayp80;1649099]or violence towards women?[/quote]if this site had members promoting violence toward women or the use of **** girls, i'd be long gone from here.

[QUOTE=Jayp80;1649099]Or violence towards women?[/QUOTE]What a crock of shit.

I have been hobbying for fifteen years. I have NEVER seen the crap they refer to. I cannot recall one instance of a woman who seemed scared or threatened or victimized. Are there women who are being taken advantage of. Sure. But there are way more women stuck in loveless marriages or dead end jobs, etc etc.

Men buy sex. Stop the presses. Big fricken deal. There ARE exceptions and rare instances of women being abused so in that case address the abuse not the overall existence of sex. This is like saying the best way to stop mass school shootings is to close schools. I cannot believe some government bureaucracy probably spent thousands of our tax dollars to give these crazed anti-men bitches to perform this study.

The "Research Study" quotes that at any given time 70% of those on the USA Sex Guide website are visitors, while only 30% are actual members. Ummmm, just exactly how would they know that? Isn't that restricted server data? Just saying.

[QUOTE=NoSmoking; 1648842]They have a 112 page document from this research paper on Mongers and quotes a lot of posts from here.

[url]http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-johns-prostitutes-sex.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Does someone have a link to the study? I couldn't find it on the NBC site.

[QUOTE=TonyDe;1649506]Does someone have a link to the study? I couldn't find it on the NBC site.[/QUOTE][url]Http://media.nbcchicago.com/documents/FinalWeb_OurGreatHobby.pdf[/url]

How about reporting on the other side of the story. How much do the pimps and girls pay the cops to stay on that conner. Or in Rockford how much the cops get from the store fronts and the drug dealers. They should interview the girls . How many cops abused them.

[QUOTE=TonyDe;1649506]Does someone have a link to the study? I couldn't find it on the NBC site.[/QUOTE][url]Http://media.nbcchicago.com/documents/FinalWeb_OurGreatHobby.pdf[/url]

like illinois senator kirk who was recently quoted as saying that backpage is a site where anyone can go "to order up an **** girl for sex", caase, the originators of the "research" paper, obviously have ulterior motives that simply brush facts aside in favor of headline grabbing sensationalism. caase wouldn't know valid research methods if they sat on them, because like kirk, it's headlines, not the truth they are after. this is the state of fundraising, politics, and "electability" in today's world. make a splash, get people talking, and if you have to lie to do it,"oh well". i've been hobbying for decades longer than fifteen years, and i am repulsed by the distorted, smear campaign this supposedly professional body is presenting as "fact". if you want an example of pure prostitution, you need look no further than caase.

[quote=randolph; 1649396]what a crock of shit.

i have been hobbying for fifteen years. i have never seen the crap they refer to. i cannot recall one instance of a woman who seemed scared or threatened or victimized. are there women who are being taken advantage of. sure. but there are way more women stuck in loveless marriages or dead end jobs, etc etc.

men buy sex. stop the presses. big fricken deal. there are exceptions and rare instances of women being abused so in that case address the abuse not the overall existence of sex. this is like saying the best way to stop mass school shootings is to close schools. i cannot believe some government bureaucracy probably spent thousands of our tax dollars to give these crazed anti-men bitches to perform this study.[/quote]

[QUOTE=NoSmoking;1649566][url]Http://media.nbcchicago.com/documents/FinalWeb_OurGreatHobby.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]thanks. Looks like a long read.

[QUOTE=JamesDidlio; 1648657][url]http://www.wbez.org/news/study-sheds-light-men-who-buy-sex-illinois-104858[/url]

I've been seeing posts in the past 3 months about people being asked to volunteer for a study. I think it's related to the above post.[/QUOTE]I read the story and, you know, in all the time I've been on here, I can't remember one monger talking about being violent with a provider. Strange, isn't it, that they insist it's been discussed here?

A quick look at the report shows they used a very limited timeframe for the 'analysis' of posts made here: June1, 2010-August 31, 2010. Makes me wonder if they found a "juicy" series of posts that 'proved' their conclusions, and decided to just throw out anything else (they say they studied us from June 1 2010 through August 31, 2011).

Here's another link to s related story:

[url]http://www.rrstar.com/news/publicsafety/x1353233866/Report-Rockford-has-2nd-highest-use-of-website-where-men-buy-sex[/url]

[QUOTE=Castlerae;1649634]I read the story and, you know, in all the time I've been on here, I can't remember one monger talking about being violent with a provider. Strange, isn't it, that they insist it's been discussed here?[/QUOTE]That's the exact same thing I was thinking. Anything to sell a story.

[quote=castlerae;1649634]i read the story and, you know, in all the time i've been on here, i can't remember one monger talking about being violent with a provider. strange, isn't it, that they insist it's been discussed here?[/quote]i'm sure most won't agree with me and i'm sure to get flames or whatever, not that i care. you say that you can't remember anyone saying about being violent, yet the report clearly quoted the posts. i have an uncanny (and sometimes annoying) ability to remember trivial shit for a long time. i do remember reading those accounts when they were posted. when i read them, i didn't equate them as being an act of violence toward these women. but upon further ponderance, a monger just recently posted about picking up a lsw, who's english was poor and bj skills were sub-par. he stated that she wasn't allowing him to go as deep as he wanted, so his response was to grab the back of her head and force her down. the operative word being force, he even commented on the fact that she stated "me no like". i didn't look at it as "violence" but if you look at in the context of violence towards "prostituted women" it is violence. the same can be said for the **** accusations they made. plenty of times guys have made a statement of "she looked really young" but they go through with the session because she told me she just turned 19, or (and i'm guilty of this) i been seeing her ads for 2-3 years!

they also posit about sexual assaults occurring at massage parlors and i initially expressed skepticism at these statements. if you look at the situation in the light of a legal standing, when we go to the amp and move up the girls leg to the ass or kitty and she either doesn't want to be touched, or doesn't provide, that is indeed sex assault. if your daughter was a legit massage therapist, you wouldn't want one of us perverts rubbing on her body while she tried to do her job.

it essentially comes down to perspective. we are out here looking to pay for play, and will justify the situation however we see fit."i'm not paying for sex, i'm paying her to leave","we both know why we are there, so no need to play games" and so on. but if u-turn it around and look at it from a different angle, a good majority of these women would much rather be doing something else, no matter how realistic they make the experience seem. i speak on this first hand from true friendships with various providers. i'm not saying that i'm going to leave the hobby (to the slim extent that i'm still in it) or trying to tell anyone that this is a reprehensible practice and they should leave. i'm only saying that we should always remember that there is more than one way to look at and rationalize any activity. i will get off my soapbox now!

[QUOTE=Castlerae; 1649641]A quick look at the report shows they used a very limited timeframe for the 'analysis' of posts made here: June1, 2010-August 31, 2010. Makes me wonder if they found a "juicy" series of posts that 'proved' their conclusions, and decided to just throw out anything else (they say they studied us from June 1 2010 through August 31, 2011).

Here's another link to s related story:

[url]http://www.rrstar.com/news/publicsafety/x1353233866/Report-Rockford-has-2nd-highest-use-of-website-where-men-buy-sex[/url][/QUOTE]As for the limited time frame, this is generally done when doing research on something that either spans a long period of time or is still ongoing. Had they selected a 4 year time period, the paper could have been 400 pages long. If they hadn't specified a period, they could still be culling info up to today and the report still will be unfinished.

[QUOTE=Randolph; 1649396]What a crock of shit.

I have been hobbying for fifteen years. I have NEVER seen the crap they refer to. I cannot recall one instance of a woman who seemed scared or threatened or victimized. Are there women who are being taken advantage of. Sure. But there are way more women stuck in loveless marriages or dead end jobs, etc etc.

Men buy sex. Stop the presses. Big fricken deal. There ARE exceptions and rare instances of women being abused so in that case address the abuse not the overall existence of sex. This is like saying the best way to stop mass school shootings is to close schools. I cannot believe some government bureaucracy probably spent thousands of our tax dollars to give these crazed anti-men bitches to perform this study.[/QUOTE]Yeah, right! I have yet to see a 13 year old girl drugged, tied up and being forced to have sex for money. I always run into the Asian who liked about her age and states she is 25 and she is closer to 45! All I am looking for is women 18 to 25.

[quote=chrisj321; 1650212]i'm sure most won't agree with me and i'm sure to get flames or whatever, not that i care. you say that you can't remember anyone saying about being violent, yet the report clearly quoted the posts. i have an uncanny (and sometimes annoying) ability to remember trivial shit for a long time. i do remember reading those accounts when they were posted. when i read them, i didn't equate them as being an act of violence toward these women. but upon further ponderance, a monger just recently posted about picking up a lsw, who's english was poor and bj skills were sub-par. he stated that she wasn't allowing him to go as deep as he wanted, so his response was to grab the back of her head and force her down. the operative word being force, he even commented on the fact that she stated "me no like". i didn't look at it as "violence" but if you look at in the context of violence towards "prostituted women" it is violence. the same can be said for the **** accusations they made. plenty of times guys have made a statement of "she looked really young" but they go through with the session because she told me she just turned 19, or (and i'm guilty of this) i been seeing her ads for 2-3 years!

they also posit about sexual assaults occurring at massage parlors and i initially expressed skepticism at these statements. if you look at the situation in the light of a legal standing, when we go to the amp and move up the girls leg to the ass or kitty and she either doesn't want to be touched, or doesn't provide, that is indeed sex assault. if your daughter was a legit massage therapist, you wouldn't want one of us perverts rubbing on her body while she tried to do her job.

it essentially comes down to perspective. we are out here looking to pay for play, and will justify the situation however we see fit."i'm not paying for sex, i'm paying her to leave","we both know why we are there, so no need to play games" and so on. but if u-turn it around and look at it from a different angle, a good majority of these women would much rather be doing something else, no matter how realistic they make the experience seem. i speak on this first hand from true friendships with various providers. i'm not saying that i'm going to leave the hobby (to the slim extent that i'm still in it) or trying to tell anyone that this is a reprehensible practice and they should leave. i'm only saying that we should always remember that there is more than one way to look at and rationalize any activity. i will get off my soapbox now![/quote]i agree with what you are saying that is others who see it that way. i have been around and there is storys. is not that we are abusive is that they feel like we are abusive and persistent. example like when you do a girl in greek form and at first she say no but we keep on and on and offer more donation and then we see them in pain and what do you think she is going to say. not that you were very generous with her, she is going to say how much you hurt her. she still want the donation.

[QUOTE=Chrisj321;1650212]I'm . I'm only saying that we should always remember that there is more than one way to look at and rationalize any activity. I will get off my soapbox now![/QUOTE]I'm sure you could go back and comb out posts that seem violent towards providers, if you tried hard enough. But I'd say that such posts are very few and far between. Their report and the articles make it sounds as if violence, human trafficking and sex with minors are condoned and almost cheered up by the "hyper masculine" mongers that pay for these services.

Most people are not going to read the whole stupid report, but the article fails to even mention that these services are paid for because they are being SOLD by providers.

What about posts reporting of acts of violence towards hobbies? I'd expect you'd find way more of those cases- Set-ups, lies, scams, actual violence. That canadian fellow who got hit in the head with a hammer or something comes to mind, or the guy who had to use his shot gun to protect himself when someone was kicking his front door in (he had already been pepper-sprayed when he put his foot down about being. With all due respect, grabbing a lady's head to go farther down on you? Really? How many times has your boner been violently killed by the confirmation of fake pics!

Not to say violence isn't happening. What they claim is that this forum is a tool to condone and promote violence and all that other garbage. And they have the self-agrandizing goal to actually change Law Enforcement culture and policy with their bullsh study.

You say there is more than one way to look at and rationalize any activity, and that is the problem. They looked at our posts and took them to be interpreted to suit their agenda. By selective sampling and generalization, they make this forum sound far worse than it actually is.

[QUOTE=Davidonecall;1650272]I agree with what you are saying that is others who see it that way. I have been around and there is storys. Is not that we are abusive is that they feel like we are abusive and persistent. Example like when you do a girl in greek form and at first she say no but we keep on and on and offer more donation and then we see them in pain and what do you think she is going to say. Not that you were very generous with her, she is going to say how much you hurt her. She still want the donation.[/QUOTE]Forget about that bull report. I wan't a report on DOC! LOL. I want a play-by-play report on this guy's adventures!

BTW, I hope all you guys are having a good time, while I'm still here working, still trying to recover. Hopefully can play again soon.

[QUOTE=Mr Charmo; 1650296]Forget about that bull report. I wan't a report on DOC! LOL. I want a play-by-play report on this guy's adventures!

BTW, I hope all you guys are having a good time, while I'm still here working, still trying to recover. Hopefully can play again soon.[/QUOTE]Let me see if I write a book about my adventures it would be a big book. Lots of good experience and some bad one. Adventures with SW, Porno star's, providers, gang bang clubs, travels in different city and State, massage parlors, all of the Asian Apartment and Latina Apartment wow that not the ending nor counting the CL, POF and DH adventures. Sorry got carried away. It would take to long.

[quote=mr charmo; 1650295]i'm sure you could go back and comb out posts that seem violent towards providers, if you tried hard enough. but i'd say that such posts are very few and far between. their report and the articles make it sounds as if violence, human trafficking and sex with minors are condoned and almost cheered up by the "hyper masculine" mongers that pay for these services.

most people are not going to read the whole stupid report, but the article fails to even mention that these services are paid for because they are being sold by providers.

what about posts reporting of acts of violence towards hobbies? i'd expect you'd find way more of those cases- set-ups, lies, scams, actual violence. that canadian fellow who got hit in the head with a hammer or something comes to mind, or the guy who had to use his shot gun to protect himself when someone was kicking his front door in (he had already been pepper-sprayed when he put his foot down about being. with all due respect, grabbing a lady's head to go farther down on you? really? how many times has your boner been violently killed by the confirmation of fake pics!

not to say violence isn't happening. what they claim is that this forum is a tool to condone and promote violence and all that other garbage. and they have the self-agrandizing goal to actually change law enforcement culture and policy with their bullsh study.

you say there is more than one way to look at and rationalize any activity, and that is the problem. they looked at our posts and took them to be interpreted to suit their agenda. by selective sampling and generalization, they make this forum sound far worse than it actually is.[/quote]i agree. 99% of the guys on here are looking for a young, hot girl who likes to have fun. and there is nothing better than a provider who loves it as much as the hobbiest. i can remember only one guy who gave me the creeps. his posts were really derogatory to women and he apparently got off on being rough. the kind of hobbiest who gives us all a bad name. in addition, most of the **** allegations involve aa guys pimping out young girls. i avoid that completely. do your homework. don't see anyone who has not been reviewed. there are literally so many fish out there, you cannot get hung up on precarious situations. and treat the good ones well!

[QUOTE=Davidonecall;1650272]Example like when you do a girl in greek form and at first she say no but we keep on and on and offer more donation and then we see them in pain and what do you think she is going to say. Not that you were very generous with her, she is going to say how much you hurt her. She still want the donation.[/QUOTE]DOC, you hit it right on the head with that one! It's all perception. If she didn't want to do Greek, she could just say no. Instead she gets dollar signs in her eyes and agrees and then when she's got to scrunch up her face to take it, BAM, it's perceived as violence towards women. The spin they try to use is that she was coerced and coercion is another form of force. I say bullshit on all sides.

There was a BS artist, I think on the Milwaukee forum, that was very derogatory toward women. I believe that his name was Lefty or LookingforLefty and I'm sure that none of his reports were ever verified by any means. He was branded as someone trying to incite the darker aspects of the hobby and life in general, but all he stood for was bullshit. You can find anything that you want here but it's all heresay fiction.

[QUOTE=Oddjob;1650623]There was a BS artist, I think on the Milwaukee forum, that was very derogatory toward women. I believe that his name was Lefty or LookingforLefty and I'm sure that none of his reports were ever verified by any means. He was branded as someone trying to incite the darker aspects of the hobby and life in general, but all he stood for was bullshit. You can find anything that you want here but it's all heresay fiction.[/QUOTE]I guess the people running that bs study didn't catch on that ALL our stories are made-up. I'm a virgen, I've never had sex before in my life! We're just trading stories, waiting for the clock to run while we're at work or ignoring wifey.

[QUOTE=Mr Charmo;1650793]I guess the people running that bs study didn't catch on that ALL our stories are made-up. I'm a virgen, I've never had sex before in my life! We're just trading stories, waiting for the clock to run while we're at work or ignoring wifey.[/QUOTE]I'm not a virgin because of my 20 kids. But I'm a dreamer. I like to dream morning, noon and night. I just happened to share my dream by posting. I also dream that the Bears won the Super Bowl. It don't mean it happened. I'm a law abiding citizen. I don't break the law.

[QUOTE=Davidonecall;1651015]I'm not a virgin because of my 20 kids. But I'm a dreamer. I like to dream morning, noon and night. I just happened to share my dream by posting. I also dream that the Bears won the Super Bowl. It don't mean it happened. I'm a law abiding citizen. I don't break the law.[/QUOTE]



I get a head cold for a few day's. Don't log in for a few day's. Everthing get upside down. I hear Bears and Super Bowl in the same breath. My My we are dreamer's Maybe Next year, Dave you sure all them 20 kids are your? From what I hear you don't have time to wipe you but. And yes we are all Law abiding citizen's, But just maybe some of our providers may not be Citizen (YET) Just Maybe that is.

[QUOTE=Gopher88;1651298]I get a head cold for a few day's. Don't log in for a few day's. Everthing get upside down. I hear Bears and Super Bowl in the same breath. My My we are dreamer's Maybe Next year, Dave you sure all them 20 kids are your? From what I hear you don't have time to wipe you but. And yes we are all Law abiding citizen's, But just maybe some of our providers may not be Citizen (YET) Just Maybe that is.[/QUOTE]The 20 kids is part of the dream. You are right I don't have time for anything. But I try to find time ffor fun. Need to. I dream all of the time.

[QUOTE=Oddjob;1650623]There was a BS artist, I think on the Milwaukee forum, that was very derogatory toward women. I believe that his name was Lefty or LookingforLefty and I'm sure that none of his reports were ever verified by any means. He was branded as someone trying to incite the darker aspects of the hobby and life in general, but all he stood for was bullshit. You can find anything that you want here but it's all heresay fiction.[/QUOTE]I've been crying all day.

[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;1651337]I've been crying all day.[/QUOTE]Lefty, going to bring back the wheel parties at the Saratoga or whatever that motel was on 94?

Must be sweeps week again, nothing gets viewers like a good sex story. I wonder how much enrollment on the website increased after the story aired last night?

[url]http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/college-students-become-sugar-babies-to-pay-for-school[/url]

[QUOTE=Sinlover; 1671267]Must be sweeps week again, nothing gets viewers like a good sex story. I wonder how much enrollment on the website increased after the story aired last night?

[url]http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/college-students-become-sugar-babies-to-pay-for-school[/url][/QUOTE]From what I've heard regarding the whole sd thing: On the whole way more expensive but talent for this area.

[QUOTE=Sinlover; 1671267]Must be sweeps week again, nothing gets viewers like a good sex story. I wonder how much enrollment on the website increased after the story aired last night?

[url]http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/college-students-become-sugar-babies-to-pay-for-school[/url][/QUOTE]From what I've heard regarding the whole sd thing: On the whole way more expensive but talent for this area.

[QUOTE=Sinlover; 1671267]Must be sweeps week again, nothing gets viewers like a good sex story. I wonder how much enrollment on the website increased after the story aired last night?

[url]http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/college-students-become-sugar-babies-to-pay-for-school[/url][/QUOTE]Yeah, it must be time to boost the rating, so you get hilarious stories like this one. I have to admit, I got an even bigger laugh out of some of the comments. Talk about a bunch of at morons!