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Agreed. Bouncers are to be included in your overhead. I've always made a practice of appeasing bouncers and it's paid off big time. I get left totally alone by them and if I'm in an empty VIP with a dancer, we get undisturbed quality time...if you know what I mean.
Sexhobbyist
Thanks I appreciate the schooling! It makes sense just the first time I was asked in that way, I will heed your sage advice!
Be safe!
I concur totally.
Mythickbrew's "Rule # 1 of Motion and Action:"
"When you grease, you slide... 8^)"
Well, found a little time on my hands Friday evening (7pm ish) so found myself visiting Curves. Used to be a very frequent visitor about a year or so ago when I was seeing a dancer there.
Anyway, place was packed. A lot of new faces (dancers and waitresses) from my previous days. Only had 2 offers for dances (neither were what I had in mind) so I can definitely see the trend. I can remember getting asked every song before.
A couple of really talented pole workers that I took note of for a repeat visit. Guess I'll have to go back for some better intel soon.
[QUOTE=Kirstyforme]Well, found a little time on my hands Friday evening (7pm ish) so found myself visiting Curves.[/QUOTE]
Daytime is always better than evening for attention, service, action, fewer customers, etc. If you have a choice, daytime is the right time at Curves.
Sexhobbyist
[QUOTE=Sexhobbyist]Daytime is always better than evening for attention, service, action, fewer customers, etc. If you have a choice, daytime is the right time at Curves.
Sexhobbyist[/QUOTE]Thanks Sexhobbyist - definitely good words of advice. Also usually no cover to get in which is a small plus.
Today I decided to take some cash and have some fun blowing it. With everything personal that has been going on with work and the lack of female companionship in my life, it was time to have some fun.
First stop was Tens on Speedway. Not too crowded and the girls to guy ratio was in the guys favor. Waitress was right there after I got settled and order a beer on draft and got 2 good sized glasses for 3.75...not a bad deal. It was cold too...I dont drink often, but when I do I want my beer COLD..they lived up to that today.
Got into watching the dancers and got approached for a table dance by a girl named Paris. Since my mission was to have fun, and she wasnt my type..ie she had the TOO perfect body..I like imperfections, I said ok. She started hot and heavy right off the top, my radar was feeling good on this one. No more than a minute into it, she said if I wanted to hit the VIP to just say the word.
3 minutes later, and 15 bucks (10 entry and 5 tip) to the bouncer and we were settled into the VIP. She started dancing and it was very touchy feely, but not satisfying. 5 dances and $ later and I was back in the club.
Approached by a few girls for dances, but not in the mood. I wanted Satisfaction dammit!
I sobered up (yes, 2 beers does that to me) and headed over to curves.
I no more than sat down at the bar and I was approached by a lady with a retainer in her mouth who moved right up on me. My hand was on my leg at the time...guess where my hand went? Anyway, she is from Colombia and was turning me off with her talking...voices do that to me. I sent her away, but something tells me I will be back to sample that platter in private.
I was into watching having lost my libido for the day and a girl named Cherokee walked up and asked if I wanted to get molested. Now this girl had what I wanted, hispanic features, speaks clearly and has a few chubby areas...perfect :) I said yes and she sat me down at a table.
Didnt take her 30 seconds to find the happy spot and to tease it, but it was strictly hands off for me. She spent more time showing me she flex her boobs and butt than dancing on me. After 1 dance I paid her and sent her packing. Stuck around for another 10 mins or so and decided to head home.
Not a perfect day hobbying, but was a very entertaining intelligence gathering mission for future use.
Are there nude clubs in Tucson? Are the admission and dance fees different? How much touching is allowed, if any? You can PM me if it's not something you are comfortable sharing publicly.
I went back to CS just to see if Isis or Angel were there. I didn't find either but I found Tai. Tall blonde, most perfect bod in the joint. I decided to stay. Went to VIP room. Just what I needed. Absolute dynamite lady. I could almost dribble my britches just looking at that fine ass.
Usually the girls in here are really snobby but not today. I found Mythickbrew's little Latina. She is an absolute sweetie. I wanted to steal her bad.
Also, I had posted here previously about a slightly chunky Latina with the dynamite big Caddy bumper bullet titties. That is Daysi. She was all tied up most of the afternoon and no chance for me to get a dance in.
Hey Merlin,
Tai does have a great body and is very friendly... I haven't seen her in a while -- she must be working more days than nights... if you like Tai's body you would really love Tiffany. Similar to Tai in build and a blonde also... she is flawless. Tiffany has my vote for the most perfect form in the CS. Another blonde dancer, Ashley, who is pretty new is fantastic as well. The talent has been pretty good of late at the CS.
So you liked my little latina spinner, eh? She is fantastic... a killer body and the perfect hiney, the best attitude, a lot of fun, absolutely adorable! Well, I'm in Costa Rica for the next few days partying like a rock star so I won't be around to monopolize her time. 8^)
MythicBrew
[QUOTE=Merlin Magician]I went back to CS just to see if Isis or Angel were there. I didn't find either but I found Tai. Tall blonde, most perfect bod in the joint. I decided to stay. Went to VIP room. Just what I needed. Absolute dynamite lady. I could almost dribble my britches just looking at that fine ass.
Usually the girls in here are really snobby but not today. I found Mythickbrew's little Latina. She is an absolute sweetie. I wanted to steal her bad.
Also, I had posted here previously about a slightly chunky Latina with the dynamite big Caddy bumper bullet titties. That is Daysi. She was all tied up most of the afternoon and no chance for me to get a dance in.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fs Lvr]Are there nude clubs in Tucson? Are the admission and dance fees different? How much touching is allowed, if any? You can PM me if it's not something you are comfortable sharing publicly.[/QUOTE]
two nude clubs but they both suck
turbulance by the airport is better than bunny ranch but neither one has much action going on
I just looked up Turbulence again on naughty nightlife . com and I see that they have reduced the cover and table dances are now 10 buck on floor and VIP is 20-30. Bummer is that they open at like 630 PM. May try it tonite.
i went to Turbulence saturday night
was pretty busy and no one in vip most of night. i went in there with a couple gals and only during a couple songs was anyone else ever in there. even on nude dances did get some decent contact going on.
but overall i would not make this a regular place. at 20 or 30 for vip that is still pricey even more so for the level of contact you get.
they did have some cute young gals though
How much can you touch the girl during a lap dance and how much can she touch you? I don't want to go in and just start groping when a dance starts. Should I sit way off in a corner? How do you discuss what will happen in VIP with the girl? If this is privileged / protected info, you can answer in a PM.
Had the day off yesterday so I decided to give a couple of the clubs a daytime run.
Candy Store: Pretty much what everyone here as been saying. Some very HOT women all sitting around either talking to their boyfriends or each other. Only one dance offer and that was even before I had my beer ordered, told her to come back in a couple songs but I never say her again. Left after my beer.
Raider's Reef: Staying on the eastside, I stopped by RR. Very few customers and a good number of dancers. The dancers here really ran the range from what I would be hard pressed to call a 4 all the way up to 8's and 9's. While the Candy Store had mostly white girls, RR had a lot more black, hispanic and asian women there. This was a big plus for me. Had dances on the floor from 4 different girls. I was quite happy with what I got for my money from all 4 of them. I had no plans on heading into the VIP, but will on the next visit.
Had the day off also. Started at Curves just when they opened. Got a lot of attention even tho I stuck to the floor. Touching/nipple licking etc. Had a very hot Latina; petite with nice tits and a beauitful face. Later on I cruised to CS. Had a very different experience from last poster. Within a half hour I had dances from 4 hotties, two were worth a VIP investment. Had to leave to allow the pants to dry out. I admit, I get up and recruit the girls I want, tip them onstage and ask for a dance or compliment them when I walk by where they're sitting. Doesn't take much. Many dancers have said they were attracted because I'm smiling and obviously having fun. They say most guys look grumpy or guilty.
Of special note at CS: (I don't remember dancer's names) Small white girl with gap between front teeth; very liberal even on the floor but poor eye contact. Latino woman with large add-ons who said she's "too old to bullshit around". Nice, nice ass; intense in the VIP.
All in all a nice satisfying afternoon.
By the way, the streets are EMPTY! I guess the hookers have been rounded up or scared away. Even the 2 semi-pros I know aren't taking calls. I figure the few CL providers are probably LE.
Oh, well. What the hell. Clubs are the only game in town.
I am a daytime regular at TDs West. Some of the best girls there during the day are Trinity, Jules, Vianne, Natasha, and Amie. I always get treated very well when I go. The manager during the day keeps the ladies on their toes and they always do the right thing.
I went in there at night a few times, and it seems like night and day... literally. I can't figure out what is different at night, but for some reason, the girls are very different. Unlike other clubs, the day girls are physically as appealing as the evening girls, but the day girls have personality!!
That's where I definitely like to spend my time away from work... When you go, tell 'em KENNY sent ya!!
K69
[QUOTE=Fs Lvr]How much can you touch the girl during a lap dance and how much can she touch you? I don't want to go in and just start groping when a dance starts. Should I sit way off in a corner? How do you discuss what will happen in VIP with the girl? If this is privileged / protected info, you can answer in a PM.[/QUOTE]
it depends on the girl and the club
the girl will let you know what she is into
What is the world coming to? Note to moderator: If this is posted in the wrong area or is objectionable, please inbox me to let me know why...I still feel like a pig on roller skates around here :) Thanks
Police Halt Strip Show at Men's Club
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 01 50 PM
11-15) 13:50 PST Monona, Wis. (AP) --
No more bare bodies for the old boys. Police on Monday stripped the local chapter of the International Order of Old Bastards of the exotic dancers who have performed at their meetings for decades.
The club, which consists of about 600 members, has met quarterly for at least 40 years, according to a police report. Members must be at least 35 years old, although the average age is mid-60s, said Richard Story, who described himself as the club's newly installed Arch Old Bastard.
Meetings typically draw 200 to 300 members. Story said the group has no charities or social agenda.
"This is for elderly people who just want to have a good time with their peers," Story, a 60-year-old retired engineer and tavern owner, told the Wisconsin State Journal for Wednesday's editions.
But police showed up at Monday's quarterly meeting at the Eastside Businessman's Association and warned them that they needed an adult entertainment permit to have strippers. The State Journal said police learned about the strippers after one of the paper's reporters started asking about it in June.
Story told officers the club had three to four strippers ready to perform on Monday. He said the women get naked, dance on a stage and mingle in the aisles, but no contact with them is allowed, the police report said.
Story told police the women are never out of his sight and he is the only one allowed to go into their dressing rooms — for security reasons, the report said.
When Story told the audience the strippers were canceled, many members left, the report said. Aside from a cynical "thanks" one of them uttered to police on the way out, members left peacefully, the report said.
A message The Associated Press left for Story Wednesday morning wasn't immediately returned.
Sue Richmond, 54, told the State Journal she supplies the strippers for the Old Bastards through her DeForest business, exotic-dancers.com.
She said she began dancing for the Old Bastards in 1972. She described members as well-behaved, adding that dancers earn $150 each plus tips for dancing from 9 to 11 p.m.
The International Order of Old Bastards began in 1945. The founder was Fred Kibbe, an American soldier stationed in Australia who was inspired by the Australian greeting "Hi, you old bastard."
The order has about 1 million members in 4,600 chapters around the world.
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Information from: Wisconsin State Journal,
[url]www.madison.com/wsj[/url]
Came back from travel and made a quick stop at the CS to relaxs a little. Should have come at little earlier. Some very nice looking girls but after tipping them on stage for a dance, they disappear for a while only to re-appear in street cloth. It's very sad when you only spend 5 dollars total for beer+ tip.
[QUOTE=Fs Lvr]How much can you touch the girl during a lap dance and how much can she touch you? I don't want to go in and just start groping when a dance starts. Should I sit way off in a corner? How do you discuss what will happen in VIP with the girl? If this is privileged / protected info, you can answer in a PM.[/QUOTE]Got to put time into this hobby. Things are different from places to places, and from time to time too. One thing for sure is if you look very "green" in the hobby, some of the girls will pick up on it give you the whole "if we go to the VIP/Champagne room there will be more touching." This is never true. Say no and sit back and relax. There is always another time.
As a dancer I can tell you different things happen with different ladies. Before you go into VIP ask her what goes on in there and what you are allowed to do? The best advice I can give you is talk to the ladie then have a dance with her on the floor if you like the way she dances then take her into VIP. It saves a lot of time and money.
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[QUOTE=Merlin Magician]Went into TD's West again looking for my fave lady Tianna. No Tianna. No Honey either.
Oh, well, I found Aimee tho. Tall blonde. Nice Nice Nice. She made my day worth it.
I have found that when the big Black gentleman is operating the club, the girls all circulate and do it well. I bet I had ten dance offers. Lots of stunners there this aft.
So, it was a good run today. I'm happy.[/QUOTE]Which Amie are you talking about? Is it the one with the tattoo on her leg and back?
[QUOTE=Brokerken]I am a daytime regular at TDs West. Some of the best girls there during the day are Trinity, Jules, Vianne, Natasha, and Amie. I always get treated very well when I go. The manager during the day keeps the ladies on their toes and they always do the right thing.
I went in there at night a few times, and it seems like night and day... literally. I can't figure out what is different at night, but for some reason, the girls are very different. Unlike other clubs, the day girls are physically as appealing as the evening girls, but the day girls have personality!!
That's where I definitely like to spend my time away from work... When you go, tell 'em KENNY sent ya!!
K69[/QUOTE]Thank you Kenny. We always fun with you too. See you soon sweetie.
Went into Curves Friday at noon and talked with the bartender - an old friend from years ago, Tammy. Talked about the dancers all sittting together in the area just ahead of the entrance. Tammy said that's what they do most of the time and then complain about not making any money. She also said very few new girls were working. A number of good looking girls were there but in an hour and a half, only one girl asked any of us if we wanted a dance. Mentioned all of this to Leo, the bouncer and he said he noticed the same thing and that he was going to address the issue with the girls.
Why doesn't anyone go up to the girls / bouncer and ask why they / the girls aren't circulating? Don't they see the customers walking out after no service? -- Steve
[QUOTE=Skuld3163]Got to put time into this hobby. Things are different from places to places, and from time to time too. One thing for sure is if you look very "green" in the hobby, some of the girls will pick up on it give you the whole "if we go to the VIP/Champagne room there will be more touching." This is never true. Say no and sit back and relax. There is always another time.[/QUOTE]
guess you have not met the right girl or they are afraid of you
if things are going well on the floor with a girl..good chance things will go better in vip/champagne...
...to take to the VIP.
Watch them on the floor when they're dancing with other customers. There are certain moves you'll notice once you get into the practice of what to look for.
Ask the dancer for a floor dance (or two) to see if she has "the right attitude." She'll let you know with a touch, or a graze, or a squeeze. The dancer is always thinking about how to get you to the VIP. For me, there's only one way: show me you're interested in serious money when I give you a test drive on the dance floor--you know what to do.
Once you gain enough experience, you'll know when it's the right dancer to spend VIP money on. You might have to spend a few dollars on floor dances first, but it's worth it. Even the worst floor dance is better than being at the office.
Find you a good dancer to make a regular and milk the relationship for even more fun in the VIP. It might take time, but what investment isn't worth a little attention?
Sexhobbyist
When someone first walks into the club we don't ussually go up and start talking to them, we let them get thier drink and relax for a few minutes. Most of us day girls will talk to the people who walk into the club, that way they are not wasting time on dances if they don't like our personality. I figure dancing is kind of like a relationship you have to be attractive to the women to want to get dance. I know if I'm the one getting dances and the girl has a shitty attitude I won't get anymore dances. When men come into the club in groups I usually won't go to their table unless they tip me on stage, because I get intimidated. Its not alwats easy for us girls. If the women are not coming to your table even after you tip them on stage ask for the manager tell them the situation and ask if there is anything they can do for you, most good managers will give you a free pass or drink something. If the ladies are still not going to your table maybe your in the wrong club.
Went to curves to watch the UofA basketball game and to check out how the place was. There were a some real looker but the dancer seem very arrogant there. Reminds me of TD east, there were a lot of fake boobies too. The girls were not circulating around much. Some would be talking to boyfirend or other dancer then half heartedly ask a few people around them then sit back and talk again. Ask the boucer about the situation and he pretend that he would do something about it but didn't. It appears that there were people with money there because there were a lot of people going into the champagn room. It didn't appears like they were getting anything extra from the dancers that they were taking in. Very crappy floor dance but being blond and fake boobies does the job. Did get a dance from a filpino waitress. Didn't like the fact that she was missing a front tooth.The dance was only a C+. Don't remember her name but did take a dancer to the VIP room. She had huge natural breast and wearing a blue suit type outfit. Nothing like real ones.
I went into the old standby. Found the always stunning Amie. Had a couple of dances. Always worth having her in your lap. You'd be a fool if you pass her up for a dance or three.
Yep, the Amie with the tats on her back...
Also worth mentioning was Giselle and Natasha. That crazy Latina Vanessa was again in fine form. She is going by "Bella" these days...
Somehow this place always seems to run better in the afternoons.
Finished out the afternoon at Curves. As usual, all my dances were with my favorite waitresses. I guess I have yet to get a dance from a one of the strippers there. I guess why bother when you have the best looking of all the world's waitresses undulating in your lap. A little Irish Colleen is my favorite. I'm not giving her name and I ain't sharin'. ( An Irish girl here and a German girl at the "Boat") Ohhhhh Yeahhhh...
The ladies were really circulating here this afternoon. No one was sitting on their gold mines bullshitting. Tables were dancin' a bunch. Just what I like to see. Ladies making money; pure commerce, pure fun.
Tried CS Friday afternoon. As it is, sometimes, it was a bust. The one girl I tried to get to my table never showed up. It seems she is very popular in the VIP room. I had plenty of dance offers from most of the stunners, but I was waiting for HER to show up.
The venerable Mythickbrew was in attendance and, as usual, was enjoying the heck out of himself. Always a kind gentleman to the ladies. They all love that guy.
I went to TDs West to try to catch Amie, but she wasn't there (alas). I had some dances from Ryan (?-short, long hair, nice bod except bolt-on-boobs), Patience, and Caramel. Nothing exciting from any of them and certainly nothing to indicate they'd be VIP-worthy.
I've been critical in the past of this club's hiring. It seems that whoever does the hiring has a taste for only one kind of dancer: wasp-waisted, apple-bottomed, tramp-stamped, wenches. Don't misunderstand, that description is what I like. The criticism is because it seems like that's ALL that is dancing. There's not much else to "refresh your palate," so to speak. Even I like some different eye candy once in a while. Again, today, that's all I saw with only one or two exceptions.
I saw more tattoos today under one roof than I've ever see before. Everyone had 'em...dancers AND customers. (It looked like a rough crowd today.)
Sexhobbyist
I'm sorry I worked the past three days and decided to take today and tomarrow off and work the rest of the week. Hopefully your next visit will be better. If you decide to go back in that is.
[QUOTE=Sexhobbyist]I went to TDs West to try to catch Amie, but she wasn't there (alas). I had some dances from Ryan (?-short, long hair, nice bod except bolt-on-boobs), Patience, and Caramel. Nothing exciting from any of them and certainly nothing to indicate they'd be VIP-worthy.
I've been critical in the past of this club's hiring. It seems that whoever does the hiring has a taste for only one kind of dancer: wasp-waisted, apple-bottomed, tramp-stamped, wenches. Don't misunderstand, that description is what I like. The criticism is because it seems like that's ALL that is dancing. There's not much else to "refresh your palate," so to speak. Even I like some different eye candy once in a while. Again, today, that's all I saw with only one or two exceptions.
I saw more tattoos today under one roof than I've ever see before. Everyone had 'em...dancers AND customers. (It looked like a rough crowd today.)
Sexhobbyist[/QUOTE]
After the disappointment of TDs West, I went to CS (after a three hour break to do some actual work). I arrived about 6pm and left at 8:30. When I arrived there were six dancers and seven customers. Pretty good odds, don't you think? Do you think I was asked for a dance? No. From the looks of it, I was the only customer in the joint with any money, but no one approached me for dances for the first 45 minutes.
Then things picked up. One of my all-time favorites, Chastity, finally emerged from the VIP. She saw me and went to clean herself up so I could take her into the VIP. I have to admit that Chastity has one fine female hard body and she knows how to use it. Good looks, great bod, and a terrific attitude. She's a keeper. I was glad to see her because she rescued me from oblivion.
After some delightful time in the VIP with her, I sat out on the floor. It wasn't more than two minutes when a sweet young thing asked to dance for me. I was intrigued by her very attractive looks and sweet body so I said yes.
That's the last time I had control of the situation. After that one dance, spontaneous combustion happened. I could tell from the table dance that she was worth a VIP investment. Once there, it was all about passion and climaxing.
She started it. She got me aroused then went under my shorts to play with my equipment and her technique was wonderful. (I always travel gonzo-style so it was "right there for her.") After some nice handwork, she unzipped my shorts and pulled it out and began to really give it the attention it deserved. Then she began rubbing the head against her clit (still covered by her thin g-string). I could see that she was getting hot and bothered. She made some moves so that her p***y was exposed in my face. I had to take advantage of that situation and did my duty. She slid down and uncovered my equipment and began stroking. I felt her with my fingers, she was drenched. I said that I had a condom. She said put it on. I did and we spent the next five songs in several positions. We were all over the place (well, almost). Luckily we had the VIP to ourselves. She came once and soaked my shorts. She came once more about three songs later and collapsed in my arms. I had kept it up because I could see that she was in another universe and was going to get off as many times as she could before I came. And I did, right when she did her second.
Here's the news: This was the first time I've ever gotten a dance from her. I'm keeping her in my stable so no names. It was amazing to see this whole thing develop, as if it was destiny and it couldn't be undone, once she got her hands around my....
I asked her why she did that with me considering the circumstances. She said, "Because size matters and I couldn't help myself."
Sexhobbyist
I'm generally not one for the clubs, but had a good time at TD's this afternoon. The customer to dancer ratio was nearly 1:1 so got a bunch of high contact interactions. The best from a blonde with long hair and a killer bod. Didn't get her name or try the VIP, but a satifiying way to blow a pocketful of cash
[QUOTE=Sexhobbyist]After the disappointment of TDs West, I went to CS (after a three hour break to do some actual work). I arrived about 6pm and left at 8:30. When I arrived there were six dancers and seven customers. Pretty good odds, don't you think? Do you think I was asked for a dance? No. From the looks of it, I was the only customer in the joint with any money, but no one approached me for dances for the first 45 minutes.
Then things picked up. One of my all-time favorites, Chastity, finally emerged from the VIP. She saw me and went to clean herself up so I could take her into the VIP. I have to admit that Chastity has one fine female hard body and she knows how to use it. Good looks, great bod, and a terrific attitude. She's a keeper. I was glad to see her because she rescued me from oblivion.
After some delightful time in the VIP with her, I sat out on the floor. It wasn't more than two minutes when a sweet young thing asked to dance for me. I was intrigued by her very attractive looks and sweet body so I said yes.
That's the last time I had control of the situation. After that one dance, spontaneous combustion happened. I could tell from the table dance that she was worth a VIP investment. Once there, it was all about passion and climaxing.
She started it. She got me aroused then went under my shorts to play with my equipment and her technique was wonderful. (I always travel gonzo-style so it was "right there for her.") After some nice handwork, she unzipped my shorts and pulled it out and began to really give it the attention it deserved. Then she began rubbing the head against her clit (still covered by her thin g-string). I could see that she was getting hot and bothered. She made some moves so that her p***y was exposed in my face. I had to take advantage of that situation and did my duty. She slid down and uncovered my equipment and began stroking. I felt her with my fingers, she was drenched. I said that I had a condom. She said put it on. I did and we spent the next five songs in several positions. We were all over the place (well, almost). Luckily we had the VIP to ourselves. She came once and soaked my shorts. She came once more about three songs later and collapsed in my arms. I had kept it up because I could see that she was in another universe and was going to get off as many times as she could before I came. And I did, right when she did her second.
Here's the news: This was the first time I've ever gotten a dance from her. I'm keeping her in my stable so no names. It was amazing to see this whole thing develop, as if it was destiny and it couldn't be undone, once she got her hands around my....
I asked her why she did that with me considering the circumstances. She said, "Because size matters and I couldn't help myself."
Sexhobbyist[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a good afternoon! When you are done with her help a monger out and maybe PM with the info, although if size matters an average guy like myself may not get the same mileage.
[QUOTE=Sexhobbyist]
She started it. She got me aroused then went under my shorts to play with my equipment and her technique was wonderful. (I always travel gonzo-style so it was "right there for her.")
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SH,
Gotta admit that your adventures are amazing. Am curious, however, about the term 'Gonzo'. I believe there is a French derivation in there somewhere, but would love to hear a little more about that expression. I surmise that you were without bvd's. No?
Keep up the good work!!
DN