Stupid Shit in NoVa

[QUOTE=BobDingle10;4963676]Are SB's hookers or not- I'll try to keep this short.

Are they hooking? Yes. Are they hookers? Depends.

A hooker says you can do xyz to me for x amount of dollars. With a hooker, you show up with the right amount of dollars and you can do xyz to her, period. Only time a hooker is turning you away is if you are weird, have poor hygiene or give off cop vibes.

A SB, usually has and uses a bit or a lot more discernment. You have to at least send them a chatty message first, maybe go thru a meet and greet and then you score with the parameters being set by your prior discussions. They see what and who they are dealing with physically first and can judge their attraction/tolerance towards you. That use of discernment is the difference. And sure, since CL and BP got shut down, plenty of pros are playing the SB role to get business.

I just personally think there is a difference. Sure, punany is being exchanged for $. But the "customer service" aspect differs wildly. Like another poster said, the price of a pro gets you from 2-4 hours with a SB or more depending on chemistry. Ive had pros that were in my rotation for years and the arrangement stayed the same. With my best SBs I got discounts/freebies/extended time/extra goodies after dealing with them continually. Thats fewer and further in between with pros.

Sooooo. In the end, there's hooking and then there's being a hooker. Most of these SB's ain't holed up in a room for 12 hours a day fucking as many dudes as they can to make their nut and please a pimp. Maybe we need another name for them?

Hooker-lite?

Margerine Hoes?

Hoe Zero?

Organic Hoes?

I Cant Believe Its Pussy?

Low Calorie Pussy?

Just my two cents after a night of vodka and pussy. Be good bro's.[/QUOTE]Sooo what you're saying is that they're hookers that we allow to discriminate. LOL.

Why do people care what they are called? Some people seem to think it's really important that the hot 23 year old college student that I can be seen in public with (because all she wants is a fancy dinner) is a called a hooker. I don't care about the point they are trying to make, but I enjoy the urgency.

[QUOTE=BobDingle10;4963676]Are SB's hookers or not- I'll try to keep this short.

Are they hooking? Yes. Are they hookers? Depends.

A hooker says you can do xyz to me for x amount of dollars. With a hooker, you show up with the right amount of dollars and you can do xyz to her, period. Only time a hooker is turning you away is if you are weird, have poor hygiene or give off cop vibes.

A SB, usually has and uses a bit or a lot more discernment. You have to at least send them a chatty message first, maybe go thru a meet and greet and then you score with the parameters being set by your prior discussions. They see what and who they are dealing with physically first and can judge their attraction/tolerance towards you. That use of discernment is the difference. And sure, since CL and BP got shut down, plenty of pros are playing the SB role to get business.

I just personally think there is a difference. Sure, punany is being exchanged for $. But the "customer service" aspect differs wildly. Like another poster said, the price of a pro gets you from 2-4 hours with a SB or more depending on chemistry. Ive had pros that were in my rotation for years and the arrangement stayed the same. With my best SBs I got discounts/freebies/extended time/extra goodies after dealing with them continually. Thats fewer and further in between with pros.

Sooooo. In the end, there's hooking and then there's being a hooker. Most of these SB's ain't holed up in a room for 12 hours a day fucking as many dudes as they can to make their nut and please a pimp. Maybe we need another name for them?

Hooker-lite?

Margerine Hoes?

Hoe Zero?

Organic Hoes?

I Cant Believe Its Pussy?

Low Calorie Pussy?

Just my two cents after a night of vodka and pussy. Be good bro's.[/QUOTE]

The logic is simple, I wouldn't get paid to fuck a pro, therefor any amount is too much. - and before anyone jumps on me about using the word pro, you clearly defined a "professional. " Want to also call every woman on SA a hooker, that's all fine, but apparently you do see a difference.

[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4963478]Haha, what? Do explain that logic here please? Because 400+ in the DMV typically buys [B]one hour[/B] of a decent professional's time ([I]maybe 1. 5 - 2 hrs[/I] if you're fortunate or they're on the cheap).

For 200-400, my regular rotation of SBs stick around for 4+ hours--sometimes overnight. Some are totally down with fun in the bedroom the entire time. Others prefer a meal before / after the deed, and then okay with multiple pops over the next several hours. We'll break the monotony every now & then by going to the beach, watching Netflix, or strolling through the city near their place (where some will host instead of requiring me to get a hotel every single visit). I mean dude, I did the math. Pretty certain the cost-fun ratio for me on Seeking heavily outweighs the cost / time around pros. We all stick with what's comfortable, profitable, and the most enjoyable.

And as the admin says, SBs are a type of hooker. They are indeed giving it up for money. I know I've said this before, but I'll repeat: if SBs don't want to think of themselves as hookers, I'm fine with fulfilling their fantasy so long as they fulfill mine.

[blue]Preach brother, no issue with pretending they aren't hookers when you're with them if it means they fuck you better, but some of these guys really believe they aren't hookers.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zerry;4963948]The logic is simple, I wouldn't get paid to fuck a pro, therefor any amount is too much. - and before anyone jumps on me about using the word pro, you clearly defined a "professional. " Want to also call every woman on SA a hooker, that's all fine, but apparently you do see a difference.[/QUOTE]You're a hooker.

[QUOTE=BobDingle10;4963676]Are SB's hookers or not- I'll try to keep this short.

Are they hooking? Yes. Are they hookers? Depends.

A hooker says you can do xyz to me for x amount of dollars. With a hooker, you show up with the right amount of dollars and you can do xyz to her, period. Only time a hooker is turning you away is if you are weird, have poor hygiene or give off cop vibes.

A SB, usually has and uses a bit or a lot more discernment. You have to at least send them a chatty message first, maybe go thru a meet and greet and then you score with the parameters being set by your prior discussions. They see what and who they are dealing with physically first and can judge their attraction/tolerance towards you. That use of discernment is the difference. And sure, since CL and BP got shut down, plenty of pros are playing the SB role to get business.

I just personally think there is a difference. Sure, punany is being exchanged for $. But the "customer service" aspect differs wildly. Like another poster said, the price of a pro gets you from 2-4 hours with a SB or more depending on chemistry. Ive had pros that were in my rotation for years and the arrangement stayed the same. With my best SBs I got discounts/freebies/extended time/extra goodies after dealing with them continually. Thats fewer and further in between with pros.

Sooooo. In the end, there's hooking and then there's being a hooker. Most of these SB's ain't holed up in a room for 12 hours a day fucking as many dudes as they can to make their nut and please a pimp. Maybe we need another name for them?

Hooker-lite?

Margerine Hoes?

Hoe Zero?

Organic Hoes?

I Cant Believe Its Pussy?

Low Calorie Pussy?

Just my two cents after a night of vodka and pussy. Be good bro's.[/QUOTE]The argument you seem to be advancing is that a professional dispenses with the bullshit and fucks anybody who can pay the bill while an SB you have to work hard to earn the right to pay her to fuck you and she will fuck anybody who can earn the right to pay her to fuck her.

Virginia criminal code: § 18.2-346. Prostitution; commercial sexual conduct.

A. Any person who, for money or its equivalent, (I) commits any act in violation of § 18.2-361; performs cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engages in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touches the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allows another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify or (ii) offers to commit any act in violation of § 18.2-361; perform cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engage in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touch the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allow another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify and thereafter does any substantial act in furtherance thereof is guilty of prostitution, which is punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.

If they don't fuck you unless they are getting compensated it's prostitution and they are prostitutes. I'm not trying to shame anybody, I fucking love hookers but give it a name. If some of you guys enjoy pretending that you're back in the "hunt" with a younger woman it's not my place to judge but you are not Huge Hefner, and you aren't seducing them. It's P4 P and SA is no different in concept than BP was nor has it ever been.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4964032]The argument you seem to be advancing is that a professional dispenses with the bullshit and fucks anybody who can pay the bill while an SB you have to work hard to earn the right to pay her to fuck you and she will fuck anybody who can earn the right to pay her to fuck her.

Virginia criminal code: 18.2-346. Prostitution; commercial sexual conduct.

A. Any person who, for money or its equivalent, (I) commits any act in violation of 18.2-361; performs cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engages in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touches the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allows another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify or (ii) offers to commit any act in violation of 18.2-361; perform cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engage in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touch the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allow another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify and thereafter does any substantial act in furtherance thereof is guilty of prostitution, which is punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.

If they don't fuck you unless they are getting compensated it's prostitution and they are prostitutes. I'm not trying to shame anybody, I fucking love hookers but give it a name. If some of you guys enjoy pretending that you're back in the "hunt" with a younger woman it's not my place to judge but you are not Huge Hefner, and you aren't seducing them. It's P4 P and SA is no different in concept than BP was nor has it ever been.[/QUOTE]I think the this discussion is all about the saying 'fuck me for free and don't call me a *****'.

[QUOTE=BobDingle10;4963676]Sooooo. In the end, there's hooking and then there's being a hooker. Most of these SB's ain't holed up in a room for 12 hours a day fucking as many dudes as they can to make their nut and please a pimp. Maybe we need another name for them?

Hooker-lite?
Margerine Hoes?
Hoe Zero?
Organic Hoes?
I Cant Believe Its Pussy?
Low Calorie Pussy?

Just my two cents after a night of vodka and pussy. Be good bro's.[/QUOTE]Just about fell out of my chair laughing at these suggestions, haha! My vote is for "I-Can't-Believe-It's-Pussy!

[QUOTE=Zerry;4963936]Why do people care what they are called? Some people seem to think it's really important that the hot 23 year old college student that I can be seen in public with (because all she wants is a fancy dinner) is a called a hooker. I don't care about the point they are trying to make, but I enjoy the urgency.

The logic is simple, I wouldn't get paid to fuck a pro, therefor any amount is too much. - and before anyone jumps on me about using the word pro, you clearly defined a "professional. " Want to also call every woman on SA a hooker, that's all fine, but apparently you do see a difference.[/QUOTE]Not saying you're a "white knight" or anything, but there's plenty of folks who fit that description. Some care very much & take offense over anyone calling their SB a hooker. On top of that, some are so set in their ways and refuse to be convinced over the interwebz--much like it is on chaotic YouTube comment sections. But they're kidding themselves if they believe SBs aren't hookers. Women on Seeking don't want to meet / hang out with you just for your charming personality. They're not freely giving up their time & company just because you look like Brad Pitt or are some god in the bedroom. And they're sure as shit not after love. They're after money, plain and simple.

I think you misunderstood one of my earlier posts: [U]SBs are supposed to be amateurs, not pros[/U]. Basically, Seeking Arrangements caters to women who are [B]NOT[/B] professional providers. It even says so at the login screen about how the site isn't for them. Does that mean everyone abides by the rules and that there's no pros whatsoever? No, of course not. But the argument I made still stands. SBs on that site don't get to charge pro prices. They're amateurs. They're "hooking" part-time and selectively, if you will. And that's partly why I said that my cost-fun ratio in the sugaring scene heavily outweighs my money & time spent around pros (agencies, crapshoots, AMPs, independents, etc). So don't further feed into the GPS which has run rampant in this region. You're not the only john in their lives and you won't be able to "save them. ".

In the end, believe whatever you like. It's a free country and the world wide web. You do you. Just don't put these girls up on a pedestal and think of them in some higher station in life compared to the rest. I'm sorry, but that's factually delusional.

[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4964529]They're amateurs. They're "hooking" part-time and selectively.[/QUOTE]That literally is what makes them Pros.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4964759]That literally is what makes them Pros.[/QUOTE]Meh, I dunno about that. [U]Seeking caters to amateurs, not pros[/U]. The site might not say it in so many words, but that's what they're marketing is slanted towards. Their members aren't supposed to be professional escorts who have their own website, associated with an escort agency, or charge by the hour. Now I totally get that some pros are still on Seeking, no question about it. They're all still hookers, and I'm certain there's some BP bitches lurking. I'm just saying that they're technically supposed to be amateurs. Them being members of the site makes them so (again, see my example of minor league sports team versus professional sports team).

So whenever SBs ask with a straight face for the same rates as a pro, it's downright laughable! To demand 300-400+ for an hour of their time (worse if even that is exclusively for just the meet-and-greet)? That's not something ANYONE of you should be falling for! And if anyone here does--you're part of the fucking problem as to why hobbying in this region is so goddamn pricey. So don't do it. Shit like that is what makes everyone lose, but especially the person who's will fully getting suckered.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4964032]The argument you seem to be advancing is that a professional dispenses with the bullshit and fucks anybody who can pay the bill while an SB you have to work hard to earn the right to pay her to fuck you and she will fuck anybody who can earn the right to pay her to fuck her.

Virginia criminal code: 18.2-346. Prostitution; commercial sexual conduct.

A. Any person who, for money or its equivalent, (I) commits any act in violation of 18.2-361; performs cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engages in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touches the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allows another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify or (ii) offers to commit any act in violation of 18.2-361; perform cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engage in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touch the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allow another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify and thereafter does any substantial act in furtherance thereof is guilty of prostitution, which is punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.

If they don't fuck you unless they are getting compensated it's prostitution and they are prostitutes. I'm not trying to shame anybody, I fucking love hookers but give it a name. If some of you guys enjoy pretending that you're back in the "hunt" with a younger woman it's not my place to judge but you are not Huge Hefner, and you aren't seducing them. It's P4 P and SA is no different in concept than BP was nor has it ever been.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of supposedly GFs and even spouses who'd fit the above.:p

[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4964938]Meh, I dunno about that. [U]Seeking caters to amateurs, not pros[/U]. The site might not say it in so many words, but that's what they're marketing is slanted towards. Their members aren't supposed to be professional escorts who have their own website, associated with an escort agency, or charge by the hour. Now I totally get that some pros are still on Seeking, no question about it. They're all still hookers, and I'm certain there's some BP bitches lurking. I'm just saying that they're technically supposed to be amateurs. Them being members of the site makes them so (again, see my example of minor league sports team versus professional sports team).

So whenever SBs ask with a straight face for the same rates as a pro, it's downright laughable! To demand 300-400+ for an hour of their time (worse if even that is exclusively for just the meet-and-greet)? That's not something ANYONE of you should be falling for! And if anyone here does--you're part of the fucking problem as to why hobbying in this region is so goddamn pricey. So don't do it. Shit like that is what makes everyone lose, but especially the person who's will fully getting suckered.[/QUOTE]Yeah SB's are supposed to be different but as usual mongers fuck that up. A good clean, no demon, pimpless girl should be worth much more than your pros. A lot of these girls first contact from a so called SD is " how much for a BJ' or something similar LOL. Treat girls like hookers and pretty soon they are going to act like one, charging by the hour, up selling for different things like anal. Again you can thank mongers for that. Years ago that never happened but hey girls learn over time and most know the score going in as to friends experience and their own forums giving advice. Guys with money will spend it, fact of life. Guys that don't have it or refuse to spend it there is always the bargain basement SB's that mongers created.

Anyone here work a job that requires a security clearance? I was wondering if I should tell the truth or not?

[QUOTE=JWebster;4968839]Anyone here work a job that requires a security clearance? I was wondering if I should tell the truth or not?[/QUOTE]If you work in this area, the chances are pretty high you might need one. This is why I would avoid providers who ask for employment information for verification.

[QUOTE=Mandoo2;4969281]If you work in this area, the chances are pretty high you might need one. This is why I would avoid providers who ask for employment information for verification.[/QUOTE]I thought OP was asking if he should tell the polygrapher that he sees escorts.

Either way, I LOL.

[QUOTE=Figrindan;4969684]I thought OP was asking if he should tell the polygrapher that he sees escorts.

Either way, I LOL.[/QUOTE]That's a question nobody is ever asked by a polygrapher. Seeing hookers isn't a security issue unless it involves a close and continuing relationship with a foreign national. If it were I would have lost my clearance decades ago (or never would have been granted one)! Even a life style polygraph avoids questions about sexual activity unless it involves a compromising relationship. Paying for pussy isn't grounds for denying a security clearance, even at the top secret SCI level!

[QUOTE=Figrindan;4969684]I thought OP was asking if he should tell the polygrapher that he sees escorts.

Either way, I LOL.[/QUOTE]Depends on the type of polygraph. I've heard of lifestyle ones and counter-intelligence ones. Counter seems more common.

I've admitted to speeding and got a lecture on that. Bootlegging video tapes, polygrapher didn't care. As long you're not giving out secrets to other countries or plotting to destroy the United States, I think you would be ok haha.

[QUOTE=MiRoad;4969745]That's a question nobody is ever asked by a polygrapher. Seeing hookers isn't a security issue unless it involves a close and continuing relationship with a foreign national. If it were I would have lost my clearance decades ago (or never would have been granted one)! Even a life style polygraph avoids questions about sexual activity unless it involves a compromising relationship. Paying for pussy isn't grounds for denying a security clearance, even at the top secret SCI level![/QUOTE]I have been asked on more than one polygraph. Specifically the question has been "Have you ever paid for sex" My standard answer has been "we all pay for it some way or other" which prompts the polygrapher to say something like "please answer yes or no" and I say, in that case yes.

[QUOTE=Mandoo2;4969754]Depends on the type of polygraph. I've heard of lifestyle ones and counter-intelligence ones. Counter seems more common.

I've admitted to speeding and got a lecture on that. Bootlegging video tapes, polygrapher didn't care. As long you're not giving out secrets to other countries or plotting to destroy the United States, I think you would be ok haha.[/QUOTE]They busted your balls for speeding? That's dumb on the polygrapher's part--though admittedly not as dumb as the guy I had administering my test a few years ago. Some of them really aren't on the same page and mildly worry me regarding how they got [U]their[/U] clearance in the first place.

My 1st test was unremarkable, but the 2nd one still brings a smile to my face. After getting all hooked up & told to get comfortable (like you can with that shit tightly wrapped around your chest), one of the first questions after asking my name and to say some random lie was if I had any contact with Osama bin Laden. I gave him a blank look and replied that the dude's been dead for some time. "Sir, just answer the question. " *sigh* No, I have not. Have I ever done drugs like marijuana? After replying no, he then proceeded to ask that same question throughout the interview 6-7 x's. I've never smoked pot at any point in my life, yet he seemed especially fixated on this and either A) Didn't believe me, or B) Thought that was fascinating for some reason. About halfway through, he got a little testy when I replied in the affirmative that I had pirated music and tv shows. "Well, don't you think you should not break the law?" Never gave it much thought. I like free shit..

By that point, I knew he was going to fail me so I stopped caring about my answers, knowing I'd have to take the test again at a later date. Towards the end, he did indeed ask if I had ever engaged in illegal sexual acts. I forget how he worded it, but it was very clear he was making shit up and not going off his script. I replied that all my sexual partners were of age. "That's not what I asked, sir!" Well respectfully, that question was worded pretty dumb. He then terminated the test after roughly 45+ minutes. About a month later--and after passing the test with a different polygraphed, I heard from others that that guy either quit or left shortly after our incident. Not sure what happened, but I'm assuming I wasn't the first person he had been giving an unnecessarily hard time.

[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4970172]They busted your balls for speeding? That's dumb on the polygrapher's part--though admittedly not as dumb as the guy I had administering my test a few years ago. Some of them really aren't on the same page and mildly worry me regarding how they got [U]their[/U] clearance in the first place.

My 1st test was unremarkable, but the 2nd one still brings a smile to my face. After getting all hooked up & told to get comfortable (like you can with that shit tightly wrapped around your chest), one of the first questions after asking my name and to say some random lie was if I had any contact with Osama bin Laden. I gave him a blank look and replied that the dude's been dead for some time. "Sir, just answer the question. " *sigh* No, I have not. Have I ever done drugs like marijuana? After replying no, he then proceeded to ask that same question throughout the interview 6-7 x's. I've never smoked pot at any point in my life, yet he seemed especially fixated on this and either A) Didn't believe me, or B) Thought that was fascinating for some reason. About halfway through, he got a little testy when I replied in the affirmative that I had pirated music and tv shows. "Well, don't you think you should not break the law?" Never gave it much thought. I like free shit..

By that point, I knew he was going to fail me so I stopped caring about my answers, knowing I'd have to take the test again at a later date. Towards the end, he did indeed ask if I had ever engaged in illegal sexual acts. I forget how he worded it, but it was very clear he was making shit up and not going off his script. I replied that all my sexual partners were of age. "That's not what I asked, sir!" Well respectfully, that question was worded pretty dumb. He then terminated the test after roughly 45+ minutes. About a month later--and after passing the test with a different polygraphed, I heard from others that that guy either quit or left shortly after our incident. Not sure what happened, but I'm assuming I wasn't the first person he had been giving an unnecessarily hard time.[/QUOTE]I think it's part of the polygrapher's job to give no indication whatsoever either way. My first polygrapher gave me a hard time, told other people I "failed" and "confessed" to a bunch of things haha. Nothing really happened with my second polygrapher when I was up for renewal for my TS / SCI. I think I got a similar question about illegal sex acts, but I remembered that most of my hobbling has been in Canada and in London, where seeing escorts is not illegal. Went to Sydney that year and hit up an Asian brothel and a brothel of Australian girls. Ginza and Liaisons. Very legal in Australia, not so legal back here. But, that's how I got around that question. That's a weird control question you got. But that's how the polygraph works. It assumes that you have physical reactions with telling an obvious falsehood (or being out on the spot with yes / no questions). If you have not sense of guilt or discomfort from telling outright lies, not sure if the polygraph is going to do anything.

[QUOTE=MiRoad;4969745]That's a question nobody is ever asked by a polygrapher. Seeing hookers isn't a security issue unless it involves a close and continuing relationship with a foreign national. If it were I would have lost my clearance decades ago (or never would have been granted one)! Even a life style polygraph avoids questions about sexual activity unless it involves a compromising relationship. Paying for pussy isn't grounds for denying a security clearance, even at the top secret SCI level![/QUOTE]I guess you got to be careful about some of those smoking hot Russian escorts. In addition to the higher base prices, there's an up charge for any extra like à la carte at Morton's, they might get you to hand over other things haha. A k-girl I saw for BBFS in LA complained about North Koreans flooding the k-girl method. Driving prices down while using a factory fucking approach. High volume over any GFE type of service. I told her I can't tell the difference, but she said she could. Height, since North Koreans aren't as tall as typical South Korean born girls because of poorer nutrition. So, it's possible that one of k-girls could be a North Korean agent. But, a lot of us in the area, shouldn't mention our work lives anyways outside of a work environment.

[QUOTE=JWebster;4968839]Anyone here work a job that requires a security clearance? I was wondering if I should tell the truth or not?[/QUOTE]You will not make it through the process successfully if you admit to hooking up with escorts recently and convey a desire to continue. They are generally looking for information that can be used to blackmail you, and an escort that could possibly know your identity is often in a position to blackmail you to give up whatever they seek.

[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4970172]They busted your balls for speeding? That's dumb on the polygrapher's part[/QUOTE]Totally common to be asked about that, actually. Everything else you were asked is also run of the mill.

[QUOTE=Deranged;4971054]You will not make it through the process successfully if you admit to hooking up with escorts recently and convey a desire to continue. They are generally looking for information that can be used to blackmail you, and an escort that could possibly know your identity is often in a position to blackmail you to give up whatever they seek.

Totally common to be asked about that, actually. Everything else you were asked is also run of the mill.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mandoo2;4970998]I think it's part of the polygrapher's job to give no indication whatsoever either way. That's a weird control question you got. But that's how the polygraph works. It assumes that you have physical reactions with telling an obvious falsehood (or being out on the spot with yes / no questions). If you have not sense of guilt or discomfort from telling outright lies, not sure if the polygraph is going to do anything.[/QUOTE]Thankfully, no polygrapher has asked questions of me like that one dude since. At the time, my clearance wasn't due to expire for another couple months. So I ended up re-taking it shortly thereafter and had no issues with the next guy.

Really not sure what that one polygrapher's problem was, but it was nuts. From the second I walked through the door, I just had a bad feeling about him. Not to be demeaning towards anyone who fits this description, but his appearance & demeanor were all wrong. If Edward Snowden and a cop had a child, he would be the living embodiment of that union: thick glasses, hiked-up pants, notepad & pen close at hand, and a standoff-ish, haughty, sure-of-himself demeanor. Basically the type who truly believes they're god's gift to man. I pride myself on being able to get along well with difficult folks and offering little reason for a confrontation. That's just who I am. And even when he asked that ridiculous Osama question early on, I tried playing it off as a joke. But he was having none of it and immediately determined to make that test as awkward as possible.

Everyone approaches their job differently than others. It's like this hobby: some providers are really into it while others go through the motions, believing they're deserving of high-end escort rates while simultaneously giving the bare minimum of effort in return. I feel like that was the case for this guy. He might've been good on paper for hiring and was seemingly good at asking the tough questions, determining who was deserving of a TS // SCI clearance. But the fact of the matter is you can't be a complete dick to anyone & everyone while expecting to continue in your chosen career field without repercussions. And if the goal was to get a rise out of me, well it didn't really work. I still passed my poly and he ended up quitting / getting axed. So fuck him.

To further draw parallels to this hobby: a provider shouldn't be offended if they get consistently shitty reviews. If the majority are saying you suck at your job, change your ways or fucking quit. It's not hard (pun intended). I truly don't get why people get mad or who feel the world is out to get them. Everyone can't be wrong. That guy is like some BP hoe who doesn't offer GFE, puts out the bare minimum effort, has a laundry list of limitations, and formerly charging 60 for SS but who then suddenly discovers Seeking Arrangements or Tryst. All of the sudden, they think they're worth 300+ per hour! And the sad part is--like regular legitimate businesses--people will still desire their services. In the end, I guess that's what these forums are for: to weed out the bad apples and get the most bang for our buck (another pun intended).

[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4971539]Thankfully, no polygrapher has asked questions of me like that one dude since. At the time, my clearance wasn't due to expire for another couple months. So I ended up re-taking it shortly thereafter and had no issues with the next guy.

Really not sure what that one polygrapher's problem was, but it was nuts. From the second I walked through the door, I just had a bad feeling about him. Not to be demeaning towards anyone who fits this description, but his appearance & demeanor were all wrong. If Edward Snowden and a cop had a child, he would be the living embodiment of that union: thick glasses, hiked-up pants, notepad & pen close at hand, and a standoff-ish, haughty, sure-of-himself demeanor. Basically the type who truly believes they're god's gift to man. I pride myself on being able to get along well with difficult folks and offering little reason for a confrontation. That's just who I am. And even when he asked that ridiculous Osama question early on, I tried playing it off as a joke. But he was having none of it and immediately determined to make that test as awkward as possible.

Everyone approaches their job differently than others. It's like this hobby: some providers are really into it while others go through the motions, believing they're deserving of high-end escort rates while simultaneously giving the bare minimum of effort in return. I feel like that was the case for this guy. He might've been good on paper for hiring and was seemingly good at asking the tough questions, determining who was deserving of a TS // SCI clearance. But the fact of the matter is you can't be a complete dick to anyone & everyone while expecting to continue in your chosen career field without repercussions. And if the goal was to get a rise out of me, well it didn't really work. I still passed my poly and he ended up quitting / getting axed. So fuck him.

To further draw parallels to this hobby: a provider shouldn't be offended if they get consistently shitty reviews. If the majority are saying you suck at your job, change your ways or fucking quit. It's not hard (pun intended). I truly don't get why people get mad or who feel the world is out to get them. Everyone can't be wrong. That guy is like some BP hoe who doesn't offer GFE, puts out the bare minimum effort, has a laundry list of limitations, and formerly charging 60 for SS but who then suddenly discovers Seeking Arrangements or Tryst. All of the sudden, they think they're worth 300+ per hour! And the sad part is--like regular legitimate businesses--people will still desire their services. In the end, I guess that's what these forums are for: to weed out the bad apples and get the most bang for our buck (another pun intended).[/QUOTE]Yea, I explained it to one girl I saw in Toronto, Victoria Styles. Beautiful girl, former bodybuilder. She didn't like reviews put up about her on the local board, TERB. It's like trip advisor haha. Nobody wants to go in and spend their money on a dud. Took a risk on her and was worth it. But, sometimes you just have to take a risk on someone that you can't find any reviews for anywhere. Glad I took a risk on Samantha. On another note, my appointment with Paulina From Elite got cancelled today. Kept getting my appointment time moved back and now she's out of time until October because of some emergency: I haven't tried a Latin girl in a while since Natsumi from Touring Girls last year. K-girls have been keeping me busy.

[QUOTE=Deranged;4971054]You will not make it through the process successfully if you admit to hooking up with escorts recently and convey a desire to continue. They are generally looking for information that can be used to blackmail you, and an escort that could possibly know your identity is often in a position to blackmail you to give up whatever they seek.

Totally common to be asked about that, actually. Everything else you were asked is also run of the mill[/QUOTE]Sounds like I should stop this hobby and tell the truth during my clearance check.

[QUOTE=JWebster;4972588]Sounds like I should stop this hobby and tell the truth during my clearance check.[/QUOTE]You can't just stop yesterday and then say that you're a changed man. That won't work. If you are going to tell the truth, you will need to abstain and wait a few years and then try for it (and even then there is no guarantee). If you are going to lie and aren't initially caught, then you will have to live in fear that they will somehow one day find out, revoke it, cause you to lose your job, and blacklist you from all jobs that have this requirement. If you are arrested for solicitation, the same things will happen.

IMO, this hobby and jobs of this nature do not mix. The whole point of this requirement is to find people who are trustworthy to the end and do not put themselves in compromising situations that threaten the country by breaking the law or making unwise decisions. How do you know the Russian hooker you're with isn't actually a spy for the Kremlin and is recording video of you to get you to cough up information or get you to do things on their behalf? What if a hacker links your online accounts to your real life persona and then uses it to blackmail you to get information?

There is plenty of information about people being in the same situation as you online. Just Google it.

[QUOTE=Novabhanchan;5061952]Just got email from JM that someone tried to schedule without giving the proper background and then threatened the booker with a bad review. Almost 99% sure that person is on this board. If you don't want to hand over the necessary info, move on but don't be a dick. There was a previous poster who mentioned that the girls are tired of the rude, disgusting, and over expected clients. On one hand, thank you for being a disgusting pig because it gives people like myself an even better experience. I know that some info may be invasive but if it's not for you then continue browsing the riskier pages and expect random level service back. You make us all look bad whether it's those threats that don't get you anywhere or you expect BBBJ and your junk smells like a dead raccoon in the middle of the summer. Sheesh.[/QUOTE]You have only one side of the story so I think it's better to raise this once we have stories from both sides. Why you ask? Because these agencies are not paragons of virtue either. The number of posts that describe negative experiences about these agencies are too long. And JM has been known to have a serious issue with their credibility. Not saying that the monger is not to blame here, just that we have no way of knowing. JM can spin this however they want.

Further, there is no law that says mongers have to abide by certain rules. It's advisable. In the same manner that agencies and girls should abide by certain rules. And these rules are broken by both sides all the time. So, I wouldn't be so quick to put all the blame on the monger here.

I do agree with you that people who treat girls nicely have a better chance of getting a good experience, but.

[QUOTE=Novabhanchan;5061952]Just got email from JM that someone tried to schedule without giving the proper background and then threatened the booker with a bad review. Almost 99% sure that person is on this board. If you don't want to hand over the necessary info, move on but don't be a dick. There was a previous poster who mentioned that the girls are tired of the rude, disgusting, and over expected clients. On one hand, thank you for being a disgusting pig because it gives people like myself an even better experience. I know that some info may be invasive but if it's not for you then continue browsing the riskier pages and expect random level service back. You make us all look bad whether it's those threats that don't get you anywhere or you expect BBBJ and your junk smells like a dead raccoon in the middle of the summer. Sheesh.[/QUOTE]Why would you think that it was someone from here as opposed to TER or Switter?

[QUOTE=Squatty2;5062512]Why would you think that it was someone from here as opposed to TER or Switter?[/QUOTE]Normally people who access the other sites reference this one as well in this area. TER is a decent reference, I completely avoid switter because it's a GPS site, and I cross reference here because I feel as though these are the most honest reviews from actual hobbyist. The email read too much as some of the posters complaining why they don't get GFE when their donation level is backpage level. I'm the first to admit that there's a lot of GPS right now but I'm seasoned enough to gauge what is fair and / or reasonable in both level of service AND information I'm willing to provide.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;5062278]You have only one side of the story so I think it's better to raise this once we have stories from both sides. Why you ask? Because these agencies are not paragons of virtue either. The number of posts that describe negative experiences about these agencies are too long. And JM has been known to have a serious issue with their credibility. Not saying that the monger is not to blame here, just that we have no way of knowing. JM can spin this however they want.

Further, there is no law that says mongers have to abide by certain rules. It's advisable. In the same manner that agencies and girls should abide by certain rules. And these rules are broken by both sides all the time. So, I wouldn't be so quick to put all the blame on the monger here.

I do agree with you that people who treat girls nicely have a better chance of getting a good experience, but[/QUOTE]Given the reputation of JM, I would not trust a single word from them. I had one of my worst visit in my life in JM. Certainly, there are many rude customers but at the same time it cannot be denied that many agencies just want to rip off customers.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;5062278]You have only one side of the story so I think it's better to raise this once we have stories from both sides. Why you ask? Because these agencies are not paragons of virtue either. The number of posts that describe negative experiences about these agencies are too long. And JM has been known to have a serious issue with their credibility. Not saying that the monger is not to blame here, just that we have no way of knowing. JM can spin this however they want.

Further, there is no law that says mongers have to abide by certain rules. It's advisable. In the same manner that agencies and girls should abide by certain rules. And these rules are broken by both sides all the time. So, I wouldn't be so quick to put all the blame on the monger here.

I do agree with you that people who treat girls nicely have a better chance of getting a good experience, but.[/QUOTE]Although some times the pics and experience vary from this agency, the booker has always been professional and prompt about my questions. The booker must've been pretty pissed off to send a group email to call that person out because it sounds like that person was flexing as if their review would make or break that agency. So as much as I would normally ask for both sides, and if the poster is willing to tell their side of the story, I'm going to go with the story from the agency side because of my positive experiences. Don't be an a-hole and abide by THEIR rules because they are the gatekeepers. It is a two sided story but at the same time it rang out as stories I've been told by bookers and providers who get clients who think they're going to get PSE and start shoving their stick into any open area. There was a poster in the massage section who got called out by the owner after they said the massager was being difficult. It is what it is, but going back to the post about clients being too demanding resonates too much from my conversations with the other side.

I have never treated any of the ladies bad escorts or massage therapists, but a word of warning when giving out your photos, IDs, or personal info. I am pretty well recognized in certain areas and yep I fell for the send a selfie and I'd. Three days later a text stating if I didn't pay $1,000 my photo would be placed on the internet. Well I did not send any money and nothing happened (I don't think) so to each his own. Hmmm something to think about though, what happens if one of these places gets busted and their plea deal way out of trouble is give their customer list and contacts? Let me guess they will protect YOUR identity versus their jail time or fines.

[QUOTE=Novabhanchan;5061952]Just got email from JM that someone tried to schedule without giving the proper background and then threatened the booker with a bad review. Almost 99% sure that person is on this board. If you don't want to hand over the necessary info, move on but don't be a dick. There was a previous poster who mentioned that the girls are tired of the rude, disgusting, and over expected clients. On one hand, thank you for being a disgusting pig because it gives people like myself an even better experience. I know that some info may be invasive but if it's not for you then continue browsing the riskier pages and expect random level service back. You make us all look bad whether it's those threats that don't get you anywhere or you expect BBBJ and your junk smells like a dead raccoon in the middle of the summer. Sheesh.[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty big jump to the conclusion that the offender must be from this site. Out of curiosity, why did the booker email YOU directly to tell you this information? Just seems odd the booker had an issue with a potential client and they thought "I'd better let Novabhanchan know about this. " Am I missing something here? I don't mean to come off like a jerk, but you kind of referred to us as assholes.

[QUOTE=Novabhanchan;5061952]Just got email from JM that someone tried to schedule without giving the proper background and then threatened the booker with a bad review. Almost 99% sure that person is on this board. If you don't want to hand over the necessary info, move on but don't be a dick. There was a previous poster who mentioned that the girls are tired of the rude, disgusting, and over expected clients. On one hand, thank you for being a disgusting pig because it gives people like myself an even better experience. I know that some info may be invasive but if it's not for you then continue browsing the riskier pages and expect random level service back. You make us all look bad whether it's those threats that don't get you anywhere or you expect BBBJ and your junk smells like a dead raccoon in the middle of the summer. Sheesh.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CoolWays;5063472]I have never treated any of the ladies bad escorts or massage therapists, but a word of warning when giving out your photos, IDs, or personal info. I am pretty well recognized in certain areas and yep I fell for the send a selfie and I'd. Three days later a text stating if I didn't pay $1,000 my photo would be placed on the internet. Well I did not send any money and nothing happened (I don't think) so to each his own. Hmmm something to think about though, what happens if one of these places gets busted and their plea deal way out of trouble is give their customer list and contacts? Let me guess they will protect YOUR identity versus their jail time or fines.[/QUOTE]To each their own. In this arena everyone has risks. IMO - Id rather give more info for the security of an incall then determine my safety from a 5 minute conversation and a drive around for marked LEO vehicles.

[QUOTE=JohnnySalami;5063524]That's a pretty big jump to the conclusion that the offender must be from this site. Out of curiosity, why did the booker email YOU directly to tell you this information? Just seems odd the booker had an issue with a potential client and they thought "I'd better let Novabhanchan know about this. " Am I missing something here? I don't mean to come off like a jerk, but you kind of referred to us as assholes.[/QUOTE]I'm calling out the person who contacted JM. I'm curious to hear his side of the story. If you're an asshole to providers, you know who you are so if you're the ideal client then feel free to move on. I'm just following up on posts here and feedback I get directly from bookers and providers on how THEY'RE treated. Someone posted some feedback from a provider they met with and the negative feedback I get is the same. If you're offended that's your issue, I'm simply relaying the message I receive. That's why this board exists, to provide information. I have no sides in this argument but when you lose a good agency you lose options at a fair donation level. We all lose in the end if we start losing options.

I'm not offended I've bit. I would suggest changing your up your delivery a bit, because it sounds like you CLEARLY took a side here. Your original post didn't sound like calling someone out. It sounded more like you defending the booker and accusing the members of this site. You should reconsider the words you chose to deliver this message. Filet mignon is delicious. But if that filet mignon was delivered to you with a nice sear on the outside, but sitting on top of a dirty garbage can lid, then the focus becomes the dirty garbage can lid. That's all I'm saying. It's not my intention to fight. I'm just trying to give you some feedback.

[QUOTE=Novabhanchan;5063542]I'm calling out the person who contacted JM. I'm curious to hear his side of the story. If you're an asshole to providers, you know who you are so if you're the ideal client then feel free to move on. I'm just following up on posts here and feedback I get directly from bookers and providers on how THEY'RE treated. Someone posted some feedback from a provider they met with and the negative feedback I get is the same. If you're offended that's your issue, I'm simply relaying the message I receive. That's why this board exists, to provide information. I have no sides in this argument but when you lose a good agency you lose options at a fair donation level. We all lose in the end if we start losing options.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't necessarily trust any of these agencies, or girls for that matter. They are in the business of lying frequently. What reason would they have to lie about something like this? Who knows? You only got one side of the story. But as you can see, roasting people on this board didn't really do much to help your cause. Choose your words wisely, or run the risk of your message being lost and you end up getting roasted in return.

[QUOTE=Novabhanchan;5063542]I'm calling out the person who contacted JM. I'm curious to hear his side of the story. If you're an asshole to providers, you know who you are so if you're the ideal client then feel free to move on. I'm just following up on posts here and feedback I get directly from bookers and providers on how THEY'RE treated. Someone posted some feedback from a provider they met with and the negative feedback I get is the same. If you're offended that's your issue, I'm simply relaying the message I receive. That's why this board exists, to provide information. I have no sides in this argument but when you lose a good agency you lose options at a fair donation level. We all lose in the end if we start losing options.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnySalami;5064398]I'm not offended I've bit. I would suggest changing your up your delivery a bit, because it sounds like you CLEARLY took a side here. Your original post didn't sound like calling someone out. It sounded more like you defending the booker and accusing the members of this site. You should reconsider the words you chose to deliver this message. Filet mignon is delicious. But if that filet mignon was delivered to you with a nice sear on the outside, but sitting on top of a dirty garbage can lid, then the focus becomes the dirty garbage can lid. That's all I'm saying. It's not my intention to fight. I'm just trying to give you some feedback.[/QUOTE]I don't need your feedback or meaningless analogies. Obviously you have a distaste for what you consider dirty garbage lids (agencies). When you get a dirty lid, I've gotten the 300 degree plate to keep that sizzle. Have all my experiences been A plus, no, but I've also gotten great service from providers who are tired of the smelly needy gross clients because I treat them like a person. Enjoy your garbage lids.

Your response to my reply is nonsense. I'll let it go because I think it's clear to pretty much everybody reading this that you were wrong to assume and make accusations about the members of this particular site. But I guess I'm not the only one who thought you were original post was a little uncalled for. BTW Ruth's Chris sucks, if that's the steakhouse you're referring to. Might be time to step up your steak game.

I can't be the only one who thinks that it's a little strange that the agency decided to email him particularly to complain about this issue. Unless he's in some way affiliated with that agency. To me, it doesn't add up. Actually, let's strike that last remark about him being affiliated with the agency since there's no way to prove that. But it definitely seems like a strange post when you really think about it.

[QUOTE=Novabhanchan;5064426]I don't need your feedback or meaningless analogies. Obviously you have a distaste for what you consider dirty garbage lids (agencies). When you get a dirty lid, I've gotten the 300 degree plate to keep that sizzle. Have all my experiences been A plus, no, but I've also gotten great service from providers who are tired of the smelly needy gross clients because I treat them like a person. Enjoy your garbage lids.[/QUOTE]

One guy single handedly turned the last page or 2 into a 2007 style Xbox live session battle royale and it's hilarious.

[QUOTE=OrZammar;5064502]One guy single handedly turned the last page or 2 into a 2007 style Xbox live session battle royale and it's hilarious.[/QUOTE]Haha, right? Kinda surprised this shenanigans hasn't gotten moved to the "Stupid Shit in NoVa" thread yet. Though I'm betting it's been a hectic couple of weeks for everyone (admins included) with the election, civil unrest, and a recent major uptick in DMV corona cases.

Anyway to get back on track, just noticed on DS that Lynn ([URL]https://www.discreetstory.com/lynn[/URL]) has returned! She's easily one of my ATFs and probably the most stunning provider I've ever had the pleasure. Unfortunately, I might not be able to get away from work by the time she leaves on the 19th, so that's a bummer for me. If you've already been vetted by that agency, I can't possibly sing her praises enough & highly recommend scheduling.