Mighty Mick's Boxing Club

[QUOTE=MrPredictable;4803773] Secondly, you are wrong on your next point. No woman starts out as a loving innocent prostitute, then becomes jaded. That is delusional nonsense. You get into prostitution by being abused in some way or another, usually by men. It tends to be a psychological side effect of sexual abuse. That's especially true if your body responded to sexual stimulation and your abuser called you names and whatnot.

It spoils the fun a bit if you realize you're buying nothing but mental ill women for sex.[/QUOTE]Professionally, I know some social workers and in a conversation they revealed some very high percentage of street prostitutes are sexually abused in their teens, sadly by extended family members, step fathers or step brothers. They aren't raised in very stable family units and quickly learn that sexual favors equal money or better treatment. That's why some of the white knights on these boards need to re-evaluate their long term prospects with these SW's. They are so ruined by the time you meet them that your chances at a meaningful loving relationship are nil. Better to just hand over the Jackson, receive your service and move on.

[QUOTE=DonTrask;4805169]Professionally, I know some social workers and in a conversation they revealed some very high percentage of street prostitutes are sexually abused in their teens, sadly by extended family members, step fathers or step brothers. They aren't raised in very stable family units and quickly learn that sexual favors equal money or better treatment. That's why some of the white knights on these boards need to re-evaluate their long term prospects with these SW's. They are so ruined by the time you meet them that your chances at a meaningful loving relationship are nil. Better to just hand over the Jackson, receive your service and move on.[/QUOTE]That's been the message I've been trying to send.

I think this hobby is good for males as it allows them the freedom to try different things without much frustration. In the history of psychology brothels were legal in Germany, etc for the reason I just said. It was thought it was much better than masturbating because at least you had to make some kind of connection with a female. Also, it trained you to get used to their bodies, etc. Back then they were afraid men would spend too much time alone and become "autistic" if they didn't have women available. That could lead to never creating a family, which was the gold standard of mental health a long time ago.

Although things have changed I still think the basic concept is true. I think the occasional encounter is good especially if single. That or if you're trapped in some heinous relationship with someone that doesn't love you.

The worst case scenario is failing in love with a hooker or being a selfless awesome guy and giving your all to save a girl. I'm not being sarcastic either, women can bring out the best in men and that's a wonderful thing. But, if you do that with a sociopath, suicidal sociopath, or suicidal depressed worn out person, you are going to have a lot of problems. That person could alter your life or just leave a cancerous mystery in your head about why it didn't work.

I avoid all drugs, and for that crazy reason, a lot of people with drug issues like me. I'm like an alien to them and so they want to be my friend, want advice, etc and nothing more. But, several overdosed and died. One person was a very pretty woman and she messaged me at Christmas time a few years ago. I was at a friend's house at a party. I said I couldn't talk and would get back to her. I didn't and found out she had run into a healthcare insurance issue, then overdosed and died. She wanted me to help with this issue, which I probably could have.

Now, I do not make friends with people who have drug problems. They are like time bombs.

Related to what you've said, I knew this super attractive girl from the Kensington area years ago. She was very pretty and had an amazing body. But she would dress in insanely sexually provocative ways. She was the type that liked gangsters and so forth. Eventually, she overdosed and died. That was a shocker because it was like why? I found out that her dad was a monster and used to have poker night. He would make her give blow jobs to the guys under the table. She of course grew up, became a hooker, drug addict, went out with guys like dad, etc.

If you're to enjoy the hobby, you have to look at these girls like robots because until they're invented, getting involved with them or making friends is going to be a disaster.

[QUOTE=MrPredictable;4806930]

If you're to enjoy the hobby, you have to look at these girls like robots because until they're invented, getting involved with them or making friends is going to be a disaster.[/QUOTE]Have not seen such generalizations, certitude and ego on display for like nearly a decade on these boards. I can predict what comes next. Sigh.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;4807434]Have not seen such generalizations, certitude and ego on display for like nearly a decade on these boards. I can predict what comes next. Sigh.[/QUOTE]What, exactly, is it which "comes next".

What was said by Mr Predictable isn't wrong. To be a successful monger you must NEVER loose track of exactly who / what these girls are and what the precise nature your interaction is. Because they won't. They never stop thinking of you as a John (sucker) to be exploited for money. That's why they have no problems being deceptive, stealing, or having their clients setup for robbery. Those mongers who become deluded enough to actually try to "save" these damaged women leave themselves wide open for exploitation, or worse. As the saying goes: "you can't turn a ho into a housewife". Meaning, you can't convert a damaged / corrupted woman into her opposite. Only the woman herself can change. Very few can (or even want to). And even if they're somewhat 'successful' with changing their lives, the psycho-emotional scars are still there. And however, deep and tightly repressed it is, the call of the streets (their old lifestyle) will haunt them.

Therefore, as a monger, you have to be able to separate the physical, the emotional and the mental from each other. A separation / balance of powers, if you will. Yes, you might really desire to fuck that gorgeous new girl (physical) you saw when out searching; but you can't allow yourself to become so attached to her (emotional) that you starting doing things / putting yourself in situations that a sober, un-lustful, you wouldn't ordinarily do (mental). When it comes down to it: She's still a ***** and you're still a john. That's the bottom line. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise; and actually treating them with tenderness and respect. I assure you those feelings are one sided.

**P.S. I'm I saying you should mistreat or harm these women? NO! What I am saying is that you shouldn't be naïve or trust them with anything you hold dear. That includes (but inot limited to) your life, liberty, heart, sanity, money, belongings, address, etc. *.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;4807434]Have not seen such generalizations, certitude and ego on display for like nearly a decade on these boards. I can predict what comes next. Sigh.[/QUOTE]That's nonsense.

Types of people do certain types of things and you can count on it. Certain types of people have the same kind of stories and you can count on that too.

History repeats itself is a true phrase because humans only have so many tricks and keep doing the same things over and over. ****** and Johns and killers and happy people had the exact same stories 5,000 years ago as they do today.

Yes, there are exceptions but for real, we aren't all unique snowflakes.

[QUOTE=MrPredictable;4806930]That's been the message I've been trying to send.

I think this hobby is good for males as it allows them the freedom to try different things without much frustration. In the history of psychology brothels were legal in Germany, etc for the reason I just said. It was thought it was much better than masturbating because at least you had to make some kind of connection with a female. Also, it trained you to get used to their bodies, etc. Back then they were afraid men would spend too much time alone and become "autistic" if they didn't have women available. That could lead to never creating a family, which was the gold standard of mental health a long time ago.

Although things have changed I still think the basic concept is true. I think the occasional encounter is good especially if single. That or if you're trapped in some heinous relationship with someone that doesn't love you.

The worst case scenario is failing in love with a hooker or being a selfless awesome guy and giving your all to save a girl. I'm not being sarcastic either, women can bring out the best in men and that's a wonderful thing. But, if you do that with a sociopath, suicidal sociopath, or suicidal depressed worn out person, you are going to have a lot of problems. That person could alter your life or just leave a cancerous mystery in your head about why it didn't work.

I avoid all drugs, and for that crazy reason, a lot of people with drug issues like me. I'm like an alien to them and so they want to be my friend, want advice, etc and nothing more. But, several overdosed and died. One person was a very pretty woman and she messaged me at Christmas time a few years ago. I was at a friend's house at a party. I said I couldn't talk and would get back to her. I didn't and found out she had run into a healthcare insurance issue, then overdosed and died. She wanted me to help with this issue, which I probably could have.

Now, I do not make friends with people who have drug problems. They are like time bombs.

Related to what you've said, I knew this super attractive girl from the Kensington area years ago. She was very pretty and had an amazing body. But she would dress in insanely sexually provocative ways. She was the type that liked gangsters and so forth. Eventually, she overdosed and died. That was a shocker because it was like why? I found out that her dad was a monster and used to have poker night. He would make her give blow jobs to the guys under the table. She of course grew up, became a hooker, drug addict, went out with guys like dad, etc.

If you're to enjoy the hobby, you have to look at these girls like robots because until they're invented, getting involved with them or making friends is going to be a disaster.[/QUOTE]You know I just got part of it, and I recognize and feel you pain. Insinuated in your post are many truths, surrounded by litany of generalization, that hurt more than give example to some of the reality that you speak of. The overriding reality is that many of the people that you speak of have emotional, mental, medical, issues. Some are people with other jobs that don't pay much and augment the money's they need with this economic Revenue source. There are others who do both the functionally addictive. Many high-end people have exhibited the same pattern. The functional alcoholic, The Weeknd cocaine addict, the swingers and other sexual deviant as they are classified. But when you0 lose those that you would be friends with, for reasons that seem unjust is particularly painful. You a right that giving trust to an addict is Fraught with many complications as well as many downfalls. But the best thing is to have hope and peace within yourself. You can't save anyone that doesn't want to save themselves. But you can partake of that which they are willing to give you in a reasonable way that hurts neither of you. And that's what the point of all This is. Mutually receiving that which is mutually offered. As long as you go in recognizing where each party is then all the generalizations all the calling out of white Knights is really a warning into the wind.

Get a dm question about a post, basically a quid pro quo -give me more info and I'll give you some. Check posting history. It's decent so I share. Then he asks for more. I share. Then he asks for more and I remind him of the underlying quid pro quo. He responds with a tip in fucking Edison NJ. Seriously?! On the Philly board?

Not going to name names or do something that gets me on the naughty list here but ffs (literally) this board is about sharing info that we can actually use. I don't want to hear about your hot Canadian girlfriend.

[QUOTE=JTerry26;5148801]Get a dm question about a post, basically a quid pro quo -give me more info and I'll give you some. Check posting history. It's decent so I share. Then he asks for more. I share. Then he asks for more and I remind him of the underlying quid pro quo. He responds with a tip in fucking Edison NJ. Seriously?! On the Philly board?

Not going to name names or do something that gets me on the naughty list here but ffs (literally) this board is about sharing info that we can actually use. I don't want to hear about your hot Canadian girlfriend.[/QUOTE]I usually only give one answer by PM. I have yet to have one of those people respond later!

P Chop.

I put him on my "ignore" list. If everyone legit contributes, we all benefit.

[QUOTE=PurplePorkchop;5149263]I usually only give one answer by PM. I have yet to have one of those people respond later!

P Chop.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JStokes;5161673]I was looking for a date right before halftime of the Bills Playoff game last Saturday Jan 9th so 2 in the afternoon. I pulled up to the bus stop on the right side by G St and Allegheny saw a decent looking bleach blond who said her name was Emily. She was around 30. She agrees to do a quick $20 date and we drive down to over by C and Indiana. So we start getting ready she pulls her pants and panties down and I take my pants down. Now I should mention she did take a whole bunch of clothes and small shopping bags which she threw in the back and she left her purse in the front. That should have been a no date that is when they want to throw a whole bunch of stuff in your car. It usually means they will be homeless and have been out all night and sleepy, also she had a little bit of a picked up face indicating she was a meth head which she told me she was. So also she with her own money got out after a few minutes to cop some meds she copped quickly but I wish I had left. She was talking a lot of irrational stuff about having a concealed carry permit and that she was connected to the mob. She was still somewhat friendly and I've never been in anything close to life threatening till her, So as soon as I get my hands and start fingering her she starts the up sell. I knew I would regret picking her up. I said ok ill give you $30 but that we better start right now. She then said ok but now she demands $40. I said ok but you'll have to trust me for the other $20 she agreed, then she continued to fumble in her purse and took my hand off her pussy. She said "hey your not in control here" she said she was a cop and that I should speak into the microphone I'm like wow this girl is just wacko but she was a psychopath also, so she pulled a knife and threatened to cut my dick off then pepper spray and held it to my face. I grabbed her hand with the knife and told her to just keep the money and get out, it was risky but in a confined space. She told me also that she had covid 19 virus and she started coughing. What a POS. I double mask up on dates. She said give me $100 I said I only got the other $20 please get out..[/QUOTE]Are you joking? You wear 2 masks to protect you from covid? While picking up streetwalkers? Really? Am I the only one that thinks this is funny?

[QUOTE=BunkMorland;5332144]Are you joking? You wear 2 masks to protect you from covid? While picking up streetwalkers? Really? Am I the only one that thinks this is funny?[/QUOTE]Well, the CDC does recommend wearing two masks when in higher-risk situations. The key is to leave the mask on the entire time, and wash up.

Let me see if I get this!

Knife at throat, pepper spray pointed at your face, and you are worried about COVID.

You have got to be fucking kidding me!

P Chop.

[QUOTE=Cackalope;5360398]I've seen you all complaining about lack of talent lately. Thought I'd recommend Nikki for any of you who may not know her. She's a long drive but worth it. She's in Vineland. You can scope her ads on skipthegames she's under south Jersey if you search redhead. Full menu amazing body. Cheap options and expensive options. She offers a lot.[/QUOTE]If this is her. But come man.

No way, no how would I consider this an amazing body. And I love spinners and thin girls.

[URL]https://south-jersey.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/redhead-spinner-is-back-lto/245854700700[/URL]

[QUOTE=ReadyToTumble;5361007]If this is her. But come man.

No way, no how would I consider this an amazing body. And I love spinners and thin girls.

[URL]https://south-jersey.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/redhead-spinner-is-back-lto/245854700700[/URL][/QUOTE]Greeaat. You were as much of a douchebag on BestGFE as you are being here on this board right now. You and your "unnecessarily hight expectations", next thing you know, we have to read your 10 page reviews talking about your big dick and how many times you make a prostitute cum while we sift through for useful information.

Cackalope was nice enough to offer you information and you get offended? Do us all a favor and grow up already. I hope A2 slaps you around a bit.

[QUOTE=BeefNoodleSoup;5587498]Wow. You should write a book. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]What was the point of this post?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5594673]What was the point of this post?[/QUOTE]What was the point of this post?

[QUOTE=BeefNoodleSoup;5596626]What was the point of this post?[/QUOTE]Just didn't understand the purpose of that post, the motivation, etc. I was trying to see if the OP is a smartass making a smart comment. I get enough of that. I figured I'd get a defining reply to put the post in perspective.

Perhaps you like it IF I didn't post and just went away? Dude asked for "tips" and I gave them.

The point of these threads is to help others find girls. There appears to be a fair number of newbies that could use some insight from experience. If one wishes to add to educational comments, please do so. No one knows everything and the community is enriched by different experiences, views and perspectives. So add what you know and share your experiences.

But apparently many dudes get jealous, irritated or something when someone shares "how to" information. I don't get. Get a hard on for some hot girl, not other posters! But hey, have seen quite a few who can't help but poke others from time to time, in a catty way, the way girls do to each other.

There is no "King" of these boards. What would be the point anyway? You can't put it on your resume. You can't brag to your friends and relatives. No one is going to pay you. So to take a stance along those lines seems energy expended needlessly.

Can't we all just get along, share info and help one another?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5597297]Just didn't understand the purpose of that post, the motivation, etc. I was trying to see if the OP is a smartass making a smart comment. I get enough of that. I figured I'd get a defining reply to put the post in perspective.

Perhaps you like it IF I didn't post and just went away? Dude asked for "tips" and I gave them.

The point of these threads is to help others find girls. There appears to be a fair number of newbies that could use some insight from experience. If one wishes to add to educational comments, please do so. No one knows everything and the community is enriched by different experiences, views and perspectives. So add what you know and share your experiences.

But apparently many dudes get jealous, irritated or something when someone shares "how to" information. I don't get. Get a hard on for some hot girl, not other posters! But hey, have seen quite a few who can't help but poke others from time to time, in a catty way, the way girls do to each other.

There is no "King" of these boards. What would be the point anyway? You can't put it on your resume. You can't brag to your friends and relatives. No one is going to pay you. So to take a stance along those lines seems energy expended needlessly.

Can't we all just get along, share info and help one another?[/QUOTE]I appreciate and thank the information and tips others have given on this site. As it saved me time and money. The more details and information that is given, the better the decisions I can make. It takes time and effort to come on here. Read comments and respond with the appropriate answers. So keep up the good work Shampoo55 and thank you again for your valuable information. Also to the other members who put their time and positive energy here. BIg Thanks guys.

Keep doing what you're doing. Not sure why you are getting your panties in a bunch. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5597297]Just didn't understand the purpose of that post, the motivation, etc. I was trying to see if the OP is a smartass making a smart comment. I get enough of that. I figured I'd get a defining reply to put the post in perspective.

Perhaps you like it IF I didn't post and just went away? Dude asked for "tips" and I gave them.

The point of these threads is to help others find girls. There appears to be a fair number of newbies that could use some insight from experience. If one wishes to add to educational comments, please do so. No one knows everything and the community is enriched by different experiences, views and perspectives. So add what you know and share your experiences.

But apparently many dudes get jealous, irritated or something when someone shares "how to" information. I don't get. Get a hard on for some hot girl, not other posters! But hey, have seen quite a few who can't help but poke others from time to time, in a catty way, the way girls do to each other.

There is no "King" of these boards. What would be the point anyway? You can't put it on your resume. You can't brag to your friends and relatives. No one is going to pay you. So to take a stance along those lines seems energy expended needlessly.

Can't we all just get along, share info and help one another?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonTrask;5674481]
Not sure if it was the late hour or the cold (in the 30's temp) that was holding them back but the cold weather brings out the parka's and hats and makes it harder to know what you are picking up. I was down at the far end of K Avenue (Buckus) and [u]saw some monger attempting to dislodge a SW from his car. It was only successful after he grabbed her by the hair and once her feet hit the ground he picked her and attempted to throw her as far as he could. [/u] Whatever the difference of opinion was, it was sad to watch. The funny part was I made one last loop down to Huntington Station and back and there she was, manning the street corner and smiling and waving. I'm not taking sides on her previous disagreement but I can't imagine she would have climbed in my car with a sweet disposition. Thanks but no thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5676962]She more than likely tried to upsell him.

Or said one thing and then changed up once in the car.

I'm more inclined to side with the Monger.

At Shampoo you need to calm down,[b] the guy didn't hit the girl, he was just pulling her out.[/b]

This is why I stay away from the Huntingdon area.

Its just not worth it. The girls there are almost as bad as the K&A girls.

I made a report on a brunette from Huntingdon a month ago. She got out just before I thought to rip her out.

She tried to throw an open soda can at me once out, but luckily I grabbed it out of her hand.

These girls are NOT allowed to do whatever they want to you.[/QUOTE]I just don't understand that bolded comment above?

Dude stated the girl was grabbed by her hair and pulled out of the car. [I]{see underlined part above}[/I] That my friend IS violence against women!

But it appears as though there are situations where violence is permitted as evidenced by a comment suggesting one thought about rip some girl out of the car? I disagree.

LOL, But I have to bust yer balls on that. Thought you stated that you could tell before a girl got in your car and avoid the bad ones? I gave you a chance to share techniques one could use to get a girl out of a car, since you pooh-poohed the suggestions I had, but you gave no such technique, just said you could tell. Are your knickers in a twist now?

I bet you have never tried driving to a public place with people around, opening the passenger door and LOUDLY, but politely, asking the girl to get out. Embarrassing. Yes! Gets her out or some White Knight comes to her rescue- usually. Mission accomplished. NO VIOLENCE required.

POINT IS. ANY ACT OF VIOLENCE AGAINST THESE GIRLS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND WRONG! What part of that do you disagree with?

If you try one technique and it doesn't work, try something else. Keep trying different things, but avoid putting hands on the girls. One has to be better than these girls, not stoop to their level or go lower! Don't try to justify bad behavior or make excuses, just learn how to extract a girl without violence! I am sure you are smart enough to figure something out, question is. Will you try and eschew any violence?

Good luck & happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5681508]I just don't understand that bolded comment above?

Dude stated the girl was grabbed by her hair and pulled out of the car. [I]{see underlined part above}[/I] That my friend IS violence against women!

But it appears as though there are situations where violence is permitted as evidenced by a comment suggesting one thought about rip some girl out of the car? I disagree.

LOL, But I have to bust yer balls on that. Thought you stated that you could tell before a girl got in your car and avoid the bad ones? I gave you a chance to share techniques one could use to get a girl out of a car, since you pooh-poohed the suggestions I had, but you gave no such technique, just said you could tell. Are your knickers in a twist now?

I bet you have never tried driving to a public place with people around, opening the passenger door and LOUDLY, but politely, asking the girl to get out. Embarrassing. Yes! Gets her out or some White Knight comes to her rescue- usually. Mission accomplished. NO VIOLENCE required.

POINT IS. ANY ACT OF VIOLENCE AGAINST THESE GIRLS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND WRONG! What part of that do you disagree with?

If you try one technique and it doesn't work, try something else. Keep trying different things, but avoid putting hands on the girls. One has to be better than these girls, not stoop to their level or go lower! Don't try to justify bad behavior or make excuses, just learn how to extract a girl without violence! I am sure you are smart enough to figure something out, question is. Will you try and eschew any violence?

Good luck & happy hunting![/QUOTE]Well we seem to disagree then.
Sometimes you gotta do whatchu gotta do Mane!
Obviously you've never had a girl in your car refusing to leave and trying to set you up, or extort you.


BTW I garauntee her hair gets pulled harder every night.

[QUOTE=JTerry26;5148801]Get a dm question about a post, basically a quid pro quo -give me more info and I'll give you some. Check posting history. It's decent so I share. Then he asks for more. I share. Then he asks for more and I remind him of the underlying quid pro quo. He responds with a tip in fucking Edison NJ. Seriously?! On the Philly board?

Not going to name names or do something that gets me on the naughty list here but ffs [/QUOTE]


Lmao.

Sounds like he was treating you like some of these Cheap ass Mongers treat the girls.

"Oh you want $20? I only got $5. "

[QUOTE=BeefNoodleSoup;5597638]Keep doing what you're doing. Not sure why you are getting your panties in a bunch. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Shampoo isn't the same before he's had his Morning Beejay, Coffee and a Snickers.

lol

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5682260]Well we seem to disagree then.
Sometimes you gotta do whatchu gotta do Mane!
Obviously you've never had a girl in your car refusing to leave and trying to set you up, or extort you.


BTW I garauntee her hair gets pulled harder every night.



Also...why did you post this in this thread?
"Mighty Micks Boxing Club"?
Why am I only just now seeing this thread?[/QUOTE]I reported in a prior post a couple of ways I have successfully gotten girls out oft the car that were trying to extort me. Just because someone has never tried those or refuse to accept them doesn't mean they didn't happen or don't work.

Just because some numbnuts pulls a girl's hair while he is fucking her, doesn't justify pulling her hair when she doesn't want it! I mean seriously? I keep seeing justifications for bad behavior!

But attitudes like "you got to do what you got to do" are EXACTLY why I am posting in response. There is NO EXCUSE for laying hands on a girl, pulling her hair or whatever. NONE. Weak minds resort to violence. If a dude is willing to beat a SW they probably are beating their SO because "she deserves it" when she mouths off to him. Stopping violence against women requires a change of culture and thinking by MEN and it is clear that there is still work to be done.

That attitude is precisely the attitude too many men have and it needs to change!

Go ahead ad respond back, it is clear where you stand. With the violence against women crowd! Sigh,

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5682322]I reported in a prior post a couple of ways I have successfully gotten girls out oft the car that were trying to extort me. Just because someone has never tried those or refuse to accept them doesn't mean they didn't happen or don't work.

Just because some numbnuts pulls a girl's hair while he is fucking her, doesn't justify pulling her hair when she doesn't want it! I mean seriously? I keep seeing justifications for bad behavior!

But attitudes like "you got to do what you got to do" are EXACTLY why I am posting in response. There is NO EXCUSE for laying hands on a girl, pulling her hair or whatever. NONE.
[/QUOTE]Hey some people would say there's no excuse for paying for Blowjobs and sex.

You can't Soapbox about Morals and Ethics if the box is on Quicksand.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5682333]Hey some people would say there's no excuse for paying for Blowjobs and sex.

You can't Soapbox about Morals and Ethics if the box is on Quicksand.[/QUOTE]There's a big difference between paying someone for consensual activity and ripping them out of a car by their hair. I'd say subtlety was lost on you but this is not a subtle difference. I agree with Shampoo.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5682322]I reported in a prior post a couple of ways I have successfully gotten girls out oft the car that were trying to extort me. Just because someone has never tried those or refuse to accept them doesn't mean they didn't happen or don't work.
Just because some numbnuts pulls a girl's hair while he is fucking her, doesn't justify pulling her hair when she doesn't want it! I mean seriously? I keep seeing justifications for bad behavior!
That attitude is precisely the attitude too many men have and it needs to change![/QUOTE]I have been around the proverbial block a few times over the years.

We all know every venue is different. Every performer can play a different show. Different rates. Different activities. You can always count on a different finale at every show. You name it and it will have some difference compared to last show. Bank on that. Even with the same performer, there will always be change.

That is just how the game is played. How it ends each time is anybody's guess.

Every event has two common threads. The performer wants as much as the market will bear for doing as little as possible. The patron wants exactly the reverse. The most he can get for as little as she will accept.

Sometimes things go well. Other times between the time she goes on stage and the curtain call, things tend to go south without warning. We find ourselves with an unwanted guest in the car and she refuses to get out. Remember, what works for one will not necessarily work for another. Find what works for you and stick with it till it no longer works. Then perfect another diversion.

Over the years I have had numerous she devils that simply refuse to leave unless I meet their demands. Inevitably that demand is almost always cash. Quick, hard, cold, cash. I had one beast threaten to cut my seats. She had a box cutter in her hand. How can that be dealt with safely?

It doesn't usually need to come to physical violence. I do agree there are instances it seems nothing else will work. Is it acceptable? Maybe not to us as individuals, yet, to others it might be. I'm not going to try and be judgmental on a situation I wasn't a part of and not knowing all the particulars.

I will say this. It is to our advantage to find out what it will take to get her to leave. Then, if possible, give her what she wants. Or at least make her think she has what she wants. There is no doubt she feels she has us by the balls. She may very well have us in and uncomfortable situation.

Here's another point to consider. She is not the least bit concerned about spending the night behind bars as the rest of us might be. To her it goes with the territory. Therefore, we need to use our brain to avoid what she doesn't give a hoot about.

The dummy roll of bills has never failed me. Keep two or three fake twenty's in your shirt pocket. It looks like real money and that's what she wants. Then when she tries to pass it on the block let the dealer give her the ass-whipping you want her to have so badly. She will definitely get what she deserves. Just let her get a good look at it and toss it out her window just far enough that she needs to get away from the car to get it. Then pull off.

It's best to have a large area in front of the vehicle in case she leaves the door open thinking she's getting back in. Personally, I have perfected pulling away strong enough to close the door. One can practice that in an empty lot. I have used this technique more than a few times. A couple of squirts of WD 40 on the door hinge insures that it will close every time.

Shampoo made an excellent point about going out prepared. That is important. The realistic approach to entering any dangerous adventure is to be prepared. Knowing what action we will take to extract ourselves from it. Now, I don't mean be sure you have condoms. What I'm saying is to think about everything that can go wrong. People are getting shot out there for lord knows what reason. Any one of us that may feel we are not targets is a fool. Putting our hands on another person makes us perfect candidates to have a firearm pulled on us.

If we do that the mentality of the area says fifteen people come from nowhere to their rescue. No matter if its male or female. Or maybe we strike someone and injure them badly or worse and find ourselves in a jail cell. All for pussy? Really?

Our best offence will inevitably be a good defense. We need to be smarter, more alert to our surroundings. Every move we make needs to be made with our safety in mind. We need to be aware of the small things that can go wrong and become a big issue. Keep in mind the drugs blow things way out of proportion in their minds. We can keep those issues small by using our heads. Know what can go wrong and be prepared to have a possible safe solution. We don't need to be tough in this game. Need to be smart. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[QUOTE=Gator145;5683609]
The dummy roll of bills has never failed me. Keep two or three fake twenty's in your shirt pocket. It looks like real money and that's what she wants. Then when she tries to pass it on the block let the dealer give her the ass-whipping you want her to have so badly. She will definitely get what she deserves. Just let her get a good look at it and toss it out her window just far enough that she needs to get away from the car to get it. Then pull off.

It's best to have a large area in front of the vehicle in case she leaves the door open thinking she's getting back in. Personally, I have perfected pulling away strong enough to close the door. One can practice that in an empty lot. I have used this technique more than a few times. A couple of squirts of WD 40 on the door hinge insures that it will close every time.
.[/QUOTE]Idk where to even get fake $20's.

But what do you do when you don't actually have cash on you and she's demanding Money?

This is exactly what happened to me: I picked up the girl.

Super cute with a nice rack and great ass.

Solid 8/10.

Turns out she was Nuttier than squirell shit.

I only had like $20 on me, but since she looked so damn good I was going to take her to a room.

We agreed on Price and on the way there she kept insinuating I was a Cop and was I thinking of Beating her.

2 jokes I don't like but I let it slide because she had a huge rack and matching ass, and was ok with letting me Record.

But she kept saying it Over, and over and OVER.

By the 4th time I let her know outright, I don't like the joke of beating women.

She got weirdly quiet. 30 seconds of silence. Then it changed from a joke to accusations.
Then she says she has a gun in her purse. What?!
Then "Just kidding?!"
No B!tch.
So I U-Turn and head back. Date over. Stopped the car near her spot, and gave her the 20 for her time.

She refused to get out because she was promised another price for the room fun.

Since the original plan was to hit the ATM and get the room she says I should get the money and pay her.

So Shampoo, was I supposed to give in to her Extortion?

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5683887]Idk where to even get fake $20's.
[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.amazon.com/Money-Print-Dollar-Movies-Videos/dp/B08BYVQT9J/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=fake[/URL]+money&qid=1639782545&sr=8-5.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5683887]Idk where to even get fake $20's.

But what do you do when you don't actually have cash on you and she's demanding Money?

This is exactly what happened to me: I picked up the girl.

Super cute with a nice rack and great ass.

Solid 8/10.

Turns out she was Nuttier than squirell shit.

I only had like $20 on me, but since she looked so damn good I was going to take her to a room.

We agreed on Price and on the way there she kept insinuating I was a Cop and was I thinking of Beating her.

2 jokes I don't like but I let it slide because she had a huge rack and matching ass, and was ok with letting me Record.

But she kept saying it Over, and over and OVER.

By the 4th time I let her know outright, I don't like the joke of beating women.

She got weirdly quiet. 30 seconds of silence. Then it changed from a joke to accusations.
Then she says she has a gun in her purse. What?!
Then "Just kidding?!"
No B!tch.
So I U-Turn and head back. Date over. Stopped the car near her spot, and gave her the 20 for her time.

She refused to get out because she was promised another price for the room fun.

Since the original plan was to hit the ATM and get the room she says I should get the money and pay her.

So Shampoo, was I supposed to give in to her Extortion?[/QUOTE]

Dude this is too easy! Just like Howerd Erskin says. You are a Dope! I say that in a playful way in hopes you will learn something. There are MANY mistakes in what you did, but you can learn to do better! We all make mistakes and learn. That is part of the point of these threads, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO LEARN!

So pull up a stump, sit here next to the bonfire and I'll share some experience. You can whittle if that helps one listen. Yeah, my style is a bit 'in your face,' but if you let style be a block, you'll never learn.

First, you spent many posts justifying beating a girl, pulling her by her hair or yanking her out of a car. ALL because you don't know any other answer BUT violence. Suggestions were made but you railed against them rather than learn from them. I mean I'm not interested in bashing, you rather wish to help / educate you, but you have to do your part. You have to be willing to look in the mirror and see if there is another way you could operate? If you aren't willing to learn / change your ways you will keep being a Dope!

If you can see no other way to handle things than what you did, Violence, you are a DOPE and unwilling to learn. Hey, I never get mad when someone calls me 'ignorant' as a lack of knowledge can be "cured" by education. So we have been trying to educate you, can you accept the suggestions?

Look Gator had some good suggestions earlier in a post somewhere (SW thread?) and he repeated his technique here. There is something you could learn, write it down! I hope you don't just want to be a Dope and keep justifying beating and putting your hands on a girl. That is just sad.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5683887]So Shampoo, was I supposed to give in to her Extortion?[/QUOTE]
Your real problems is that you are unprepared for mongering! You must be one of these dudes that thinks mongering is "easy" and you don't need to know anything to do it nor be prepared. The streets are teaching you lessons but you aren't learning from them! Like Gator just said you got to anticipate everything that could happen on the streets and have a plan in place. I am suggesting that such plans and back up plans DO NOT require violence of any kind!

I just read something about the Seals, they NEVER have a failure of mission because they think of anything and everything that could go "wrong" on a mission and then plan and train for each and everything that could happen. Something goes off plan, they switch to the back up plans and keep going. I see no reason that mongers can't or shouldn't do the same thing! Those mongers that have been around a long time have those plans in place because they have been taught the lessons by the streets. Nice thing is that there is free advice here on "how to" be prepared and what one can do in any mongering situation. So you can learn here! You just have to be willing to step up to the plate and learn!

But to answer your question. YES! [B]Some times you take a TOTAL MONETARY LOSS if the situation requires it![/B] It is FAR better to take the money loss than have violence visited back on you or property damage to your ride. Total Loss is always the extreme fall back, last resort scenario, but hopefully you learn other techniques that could go before it!

Anyone who has been in mongering a long time has taken a total loss and learned from it! It's a calculation of how to stay safe when all the plans crap the bed. It keeps you safe and out of jail cause you reject violence. You live to monger another day and then hopefully you reach out and ASK here so you can learn other techniques.

But when things go bad, or goodness forbid a total loss, then you go home and do an operation review. What did you do, what could you do differently, how can you change your approach, what plans do you need to make? That's what a reasonable person does, a dope just sticks with "I was justified putting my hands on the girl. " So you either have a "plan" for what to do if a girl extorts you or you lose all of your money. Then you start to admit the streets taught you a lesson and you strive to learn from it and get better! I mean anyone can do it, you just have to be willing to learn! If a dope like me can learn these techniques, I am sure anyone can!

But who goes out to pick up girls without the money to pay them? That is a sign of not being prepared! Oh yeah, I'm gunna stop at the ATM and get it on the way home. Yeah, right! Girls have heard that story many times and got stiffed! I'm surprised she didn't mace you when you suggested that. Any girl that agrees to such a scheme is a red flag in herself. Dudes stiff them all the time, so when a girl agrees to be stiffed, something is wrong and it's time to punt. I mean I have even suggested that (money later) when I thought a girl was a bit off and her response is used to determine if she's a drop off or not.

Everything you do as soon as the girl's butt hits your seat should be designed to figure out who she is, who she isn't, is she safe, is she sane, etc. All designed to keep you safe. If you aren't doing that and you are just thinking of pussy or that you are SO lucky to scoop an 8/10, you are missing an opportunity to be safe. Shoot fbtom use to ask them if they were born a male to weed out the trannies! You laugh, but he kicked a few out who answered wrong. I know you think you don't need to do this because you have some special powers and can tell before a girl gets in your car who is a wacko and who to avoid. I guess your magic decoder ring was in the shop for repairs as this incident where you ended up beating the girl did occur. Sigh. Looks to me like a place where you could learn and use a few techniques? Just saying.

I mean you say she was nuttier than a squirrel yet you continued with the date? Was the little head doing the thinking for you at that point? Were you so mesmerized by her big rack and matching ass that you let slide irritations that were re flags to a bad situation? You got to use your big head pretty much until she's naked and as soon as a girl demonstrates she's nuts, end things and get away. But no you bought yourself more trouble by continuing, you weren't prepared to ask the right questions, to find out if she's nuts, find out if her menu matches yours, etc. You don't appear prepared to bail when the red flags appeared, too mesmerized by boobies until the situation was too extreme. Another read flag is that you were thinking of beating her? Seriously? THAT thought should have been a clue to do whatever you needed to do to get away from her, violence not withstanding! It sure looks like the signs were there and you ignored them or didn't discover them fast enough? Perhaps some technique refinement is in order?

But if a girl accuses you of being a cop too many times, it is time to end the date, Cut your losses. I once had a girl pull some shit with me while we were driving and I told her look, you are making me nervous and pizzing me off. I can do one of two things, drive you to some remote far away area and dump you off or take you back to close to where I picked you up. I said it in a polite yet FIRM tone. Not wishy washy, not indecisive, not mamby pamby. Straight factual, unemotional point. She decided to take the ride home. [i] {Thank goodness as I was bluffing!}[/i] How's that for another technique?

Gator gave you the fake money roll technique. You said you "gave" her the 20 $, did you toss it out of the car so she'd have to go get it? Perhaps there is another technique revision you could make? I have told you THREE FUCKING TIMES that driving to a public place with others around and asking the girl to get out of your car can work. But you don't like that technique or just plain reject it! Don't knock it until you tried it and gave it a good couple or three tries. So there you go, are you going to learn from these or argue with them?

Look these boards are a great place to learn "how to" monger! Lord knows over the years I have asked my share of questions and learned a ton! But you have to be willing to admit you are wrong, that the technique you used didn't work or that there are better ways to do things and THEN be willing to implement them. Sure your first attempt at a new technique might not go well, then practice it or ask how to refine it and learn, adjust and adapt. Or you can keep being a dope. It's your choice. What will you chose!?

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5684337]Dude this is too easy! Just like Howerd Erskin says. You are a Dope! I say that in a playful way in hopes you will learn something. There are MANY mistakes in what you did, but you can learn to do better! We all make mistakes and learn. That is part of the point of these threads, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO LEARN!

So pull up a stump, sit here next to the bonfire and I'll share some experience. You can whittle if that helps one listen. Yeah, my style is a bit 'in your face,' but if you let style be a block, you'll never learn.
Stay safe![/QUOTE]This is a great link. Simply go on amazon and search Prop money. It's the same stuff used in the movies. On this link there are all denominations.

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/s?k=prop[/URL]+money+realistic&crid=3 GZ4 SRGB11 YMY&sprefix=Prop+money%2 Caps%2 C68&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_3_10.

If you decide to grab this decoy money, I'm sure you will be as amazed as I was at the quality.

Might be good to put a five, a ten, and a twenty in your shirt pocket for easy access. Then ask this question if she demands money. If I give you what I have will you get out of the car? Chances are she will respond yes.

Let her get a quick glimpse of it and you count it out loud. Five and ten is fifteen and twenty is thirty-five. Then roll it so it's all together. I crumple it into a ball. Then tell her ok, get out. She will most likely debate whether you will actually give it to her. Tell her no problem just lower her window and toss it out. Say that's all I got. At that point, she wakes up. She sees you remove it from your pocket. Watches you count it and roll it in a ball. Then she sees it tossed out the window before her eyes.

Now, you never told her it would be real money. The deal was "if you give her what you have".

She will be hard-pressed to argue any further. She knows she better get her ass in gear or somebody else is going to get what she thinks she's got. She knows addicts spend their entire day looking for lost bills on the ground. So she knows she's at risk of losing easy money.

Then sit back and laugh. If you really want her to learn a quick lesson toss three twenties. Like I said before, when she attempts to pass them on the block then she's got a lot of explaining to do.

This is most definitely an education for both the girl and the monger. Aside from her lesson, he learns he is not at her disposal. Because he used his common sense. He also learns she will have consequences for her actions. All he needs to do is watch and learn.

A strong word of warning. I don't see any legal problems unless a monger tries to pass the bills as payment. Then, I'm sure they would face a boatload of charges.

The bills are marked play money but if you use a little common sense you can figure ways to make the stamp unnoticeable. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

Every encounter ideally would come with a quick assessment of the girl. Is she clean? Is she lucid? Is she cooperative or combative? If she's falling out, that is nodding, then you may want to pass on her. Nodders and dozers can take hours to remove from the vehicle safely.

Does she have the hands of a chimp? Are there open wounds? If her hands are swollen there's a strong possibility of some type of infection.

Does her face look like an Iraqi mine field went off three times in a row from picking? If her face is picked to shreds you could have a crack addict or meth head. Both can make that day one of your worst.

Once in the car, does she appear to try and control the situation? She might readjust the vents or maybe change the radio station. She's doing those things to get a feel how far she can go with you. Is she aggressive? If she is, one might want to skip that one.

Is she bossy, demanding? If she appears to be like that then pass. I've said this a dozen times, once you transfer control of the meeting to her you are hers for the taking. And take you she will.

Does she come off as being "sick"? They all would have us believe they are sick and need supplies quick. That ensures her needs and leaves yours dangling. Perfect storm for cash and dash. She tell you she needs to get her stuff cause it makes her horny? Biggest lie known to mongers. Never believe that crazy shit. Is she focused on you or are her eyes wandering all over the car to see what she can grab without you noticing?

On rare occasion she might have a phone. Beware. Perfect tool to set you up. She can text information to an accomplice. Have her put the phone away till after the meeting.

Now after going over all this in our head, we decide this just isn't the kind of meeting we planned for today. How can we safely get rid of her? The perfect negotiator will tell her to go fuck herself and make her happy to be on her way. Not always an easy task.

We've been over the dummy bills so I won't get any deeper into that. I think some may find that technique useful. Others may feel it involved. Easy once perfected. Personal safety is never to involved. We are our own guardian angel.

There are other methods that can extract us from a bad situation that work well. For instance, I've told a girl I'm gay and thought she was trans. Out she goes. I am confident enough in my own sexuality I don't care what she thinks of me if the end result is the goal I seek.

Focus on her needs. She wants money. She thinks we have it. You can tell her you are meeting your buddy in an hour and he's bringing you some cash he owes you. So, you won't have any money till then. Ask if she can meet you then at let's say the Walgreens? Now you've established the fact you don't have what she wants. You are willing to date her on your terms. She may say she will meet you, but chances are she won't be there anyway. Their minds aren't geared for an hour from now. You are dealing with what I call short-term thinkers. Anything in the future confuses their immediate goals.

This is a surefire way to get a girl to leave once you determine she's not going to fit the bill. Tell her you enjoy anal with ATM while she's handcuffed. Offer her a ridiculous lowball rate. Explain you would offer more but it's two days before payday, so funds are low.

You can try to reverse roles. Place yourself in her position. You want her to leave. Offer her things you feel strong she would refuse. The best tool at our disposal is our imagination. Put it to work. Tell her your twist is something so repulsive Satan himself would back off. You can make up any excuse. You know it's a good one if it gets you out of the situation you are in. Don't be concerned what she thinks of you. It's doubtful there's any long-term relationship brewing.

Always keep your dummy bills where you can get them quickly. That's important if you decide to use them.

Keep your spending cash separate. Never comingle spending funds with those you choose not to spend. Hide what you don't want her to have. Never, never, never be flashy with your funds. I mean who's impressed, a hooker you can't take home? Not very impressive. She sees what you have, and she wants it all. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[QUOTE=Gator145;5686109]Every encounter ideally would come with a quick assessment of the girl. Is she clean? Is she lucid? Is she cooperative or combative? If she's falling out, that is nodding, then you may want to pass on her. Nodders and dozers can take hours to remove from the vehicle safely.

Does she have the hands of a chimp? Are there open wounds? If her hands are swollen there's a strong possibility of some type of infection.

Does her face look like an Iraqi mine field went off three times in a row from picking? If her face is picked to shreds you could have a crack addict or meth head. Both can make that day one of your worst.

Once in the car, does she appear to try and control the situation? She might readjust the vents or maybe change the radio station. She's doing those things to get a feel how far she can go with you. Is she aggressive? If she is, one might want to skip that one.

Is she bossy, demanding? If she appears to be like that then pass. I've said this a dozen times, once you transfer control of the meeting to her you are hers for the taking. And take you she will.

Does she come off as being "sick"? They all would have us believe they are sick and need supplies quick. That ensures her needs and leaves yours dangling. Perfect storm for cash and dash. She tell you she needs to get her stuff cause it makes her horny? Biggest lie known to mongers. Never believe that crazy shit. Is she focused on you or are her eyes wandering all over the car to see what she can grab without you noticing?r.[/QUOTE]Wisdom any monger could benefit from! Thanks for sharing your vast experience!

[I]There are other methods that can extract us from a bad situation that work well. For instance, I've told a girl I'm gay and thought she was trans. Out she goes. I am confident enough in my own sexuality I don't care what she thinks of me if the end result is the goal I seek.[/I]

You had me ROFLMAO with that one! 90% of guys couldn't say that, but I bet it's effective as heck!

Hope those that need the wisdom you provide partake!

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5686949]Wisdom any monger could benefit from! Thanks for sharing your vast experience!

[I]There are other methods that can extract us from a bad situation that work well. For instance, I've told a girl I'm gay and thought she was trans. Out she goes. I am confident enough in my own sexuality I don't care what she thinks of me if the end result is the goal I seek.[/I]

You had me ROFLMAO with that one! 90% of guys couldn't say that, but I bet it's effective as heck!

Hope those that need the wisdom you provide partake!

Thanks again![/QUOTE]To all of you who take the time to write out a well written response to a question or situation another monger has, I appreciate you all.

Gator, I have been reading your posts for years. Bravo Sir.

PH.

Anyone notice girls are asking for more and more money now?

It is getting out of hand.

Streetwalkers and Escorts.

Even the Huge Whales are charging an Arm and a Leg.

Who are the men paying Hippos $300 for sex?

Can someone justify that? I'm confused.

I had a Tacony SW recently tell me not to contact her unless I had at least $200.

Mind you, I usually give her $40-$50 for a Beejay.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5729982]Anyone notice girls are asking for more and more money now?

It is getting out of hand.

Streetwalkers and Escorts.

Even the Huge Whales are charging an Arm and a Leg.

Who are the men paying Hippos $300 for sex?

Can someone justify that? I'm confused.

I had a Tacony SW recently tell me not to contact her unless I had at least $200.

Mind you, I usually give her $40-$50 for a Beejay.[/QUOTE]Most AMPs have been pretty consistent with prices. From my experience SW have either stayed the same or even decreased. At least this was my experience in Philly. Outside of Philly I'm seen a lot of formerly $200 girls asking for $300-$400.

[QUOTE=Pkgman;5760809]That's my point, she could care less about her date.

This guy is willing to hold the cash for the nice girl, but the nice girl didn't give a shit about him by leaving her pipe in his car or the potential risk she put him in because of it.

Keep the money, throw the pipe away and move on, there are plenty of other nice girls out there. Lesson for the next time if he does pick a street walker up make sure she doesn't leave anything behind that can potentially get him in trouble. Search you car, if you find lottery tickets or money treat it as win, kind of like when you do laundry and you find money in your dryer.[/QUOTE]I find this reply to be callous, uncaring and unkind to those you are employing! Sad.

We build the kind of society we live in with each action we take, and how we treat those less fortunate than ourselves.

If you live by a "code" of 'fuck the next guy', you might just wake up one day and be the dude being bent over.

Show some compassion and decency fr these girls! It is the least you can do.

[QUOTE=OverKill418;5778127]Just want to get rid of trash and it's not like she's a human with a soul or anything.[/QUOTE]Oh wow! You do need some therapy! This the second derogatory comment about girls in the hobby! Even IF this was an attempt at humour it is in poor taste!

These girls are often in unfortunate circumstances and kicking them while they are down is just sick. Does that make you feel better or feel more like a "man" because you can degrade and put down some girl? Seriously?

So you had a bad experience with a girl, we all have those from time to time. Get over it and quit being an overly sensitive little snowflake where you think that just because you didn't get your way you need to "cancel" the other person! Wow!

There is no reason to treat any girl in the hobby in any manor, fashion or way other than the respect you would want others to show your mother, sister or aunt. Anything less makes you part of the problem.

Sheesh!

Shampoo out chea saving these Hoes.

Sham I heard you was out here taking these Hoes on Dinner dates, and introducing them to family.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5780362]Shampoo out chea saving these Hoes.

Sham I heard you was out here taking these Hoes on Dinner dates, and introducing them to family.[/QUOTE]Jezz dude! Youse don't hafta take a girl out to diner or visit the family. JUST TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT!

Surely for an experience monger like you that isn't a tall order?

But IF you think it is cool or funny as to refer to these girls are "non-humans" or without a soul then youse need counseling too!

Just saying!

Stay safe and happy hunting!