"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

I've had a few gals on SA offer to send pictures or want me to text them.

As I am not giving out my number to anyone initially and, I don't have a burner, I have replied with an email address.

It seems it falls on deaf ears so far.

I figure there is something to them wanting to text or wanting my number. I am usually sceptical about that.

Why would they want to send pictures to a number but not to an email addy? Does the message system block email addresses?

I will be getting a burner soon. I just have to re-read some of the information here to learn What is the better method.

TIA.

[QUOTE=SouthsideStan;3519473]I've had a few gals on SA offer to send pictures or want me to text them.

As I am not giving out my number to anyone initially and, I don't have a burner, I have replied with an email address.

It seems it falls on deaf ears so far.

I figure there is something to them wanting to text or wanting my number. I am usually sceptical about that.

Why would they want to send pictures to a number but not to an email addy? Does the message system block email addresses?

I will be getting a burner soon. I just have to re-read some of the information here to learn What is the better method.

TIA.[/QUOTE]I think it's the fact that they're in their 20's and are used to having a phone permanently attach to their hand. They tweet, they Facebook, they text at a furious pace without even looking at the screen, their photos are all in their phone. It's just a different generation than us.

But they sure look cute on their knees sucking dick, don't they. !!

Just realized a way I can help out some guys with SA. I'm a big bargain shopper, so my price threshhold is pretty low. Which means I end up talking to some absolute gems that I then can't take advantage of. If you let me know what you're looking for (DM me), I'll shoot you referrals as that happens. Tell me race, body type, and if there's anything else specific that you're looking for. Plus, most importantly, budget. Would love to help some fellow board members out.

[QUOTE=JustMikey;3519481]I think it's the fact that they're in their 20's and are used to having a phone permanently attach to their hand. They tweet, they Facebook, they text at a furious pace without even looking at the screen, their photos are all in their phone. It's just a different generation than us.

But they sure look cute on their knees sucking dick, don't they. !![/QUOTE]Emails are a slow form of communication and honestly scream "Scam". Phones allow for quick contact and reply. They also providw an avenue to verify the legitimacy of a contact through apps like kik, skype, etc. Sending emails for a prolonged conversation outside of an official capacity or job is awkward. This is coming from someone in their late 20's who has mailed three letters and written 4 paper checks in his entire life.

[QUOTE=SouthsideStan;3519467]When you said she had bad reviews I was expecting to see more than one. Of course there were on my three reviews that I had found. Was not sure if I was missing more reviews somewhere else.

So far I have seen a few known pros on there.

Thanks.[/QUOTE][URL]https://escortbabylon.net/[/URL]#atlanta / comments /6788473761/23098771/1.

[QUOTE=Jaybirds;3519491]Just realized a way I can help out some guys with SA. I'm a big bargain shopper, so my price threshhold is pretty low. Which means I end up talking to some absolute gems that I then can't take advantage of. If you let me know what you're looking for (DM me), I'll shoot you referrals as that happens. Tell me race, body type, and if there's anything else specific that you're looking for. Plus, most importantly, budget. Would love to help some fellow board members out.[/QUOTE]A lot of gems I met had used SA or were strippers in the past, I think they are definitely better than most "professionals" that tend to rush people etc.

And semi pros, strippers, etc on there. I don't remember anyone saying there weren't. I see it like this. If I want to buy a boat, I'm not going to buy it from a toaster salesman who had a boat one time. I'm going to buy it from a boat salesman who sells them all the time.

If I can get a pro chick for 150-200 per visit, no clock that's what I'm going to do if I like her look.

I'll be happy to go thru the profiles I have seen and post the girls who are known pro's if y'all want to avoid them. Some have excellent reviews, some are just so-so.

[QUOTE=SouthsideStan;3519473]I've had a few gals on SA offer to send pictures or want me to text them.

As I am not giving out my number to anyone initially and, I don't have a burner, I have replied with an email address.

It seems it falls on deaf ears so far.

I figure there is something to them wanting to text or wanting my number. I am usually sceptical about that.

Why would they want to send pictures to a number but not to an email addy? Does the message system block email addresses?

I will be getting a burner soon. I just have to re-read some of the information here to learn What is the better method.

TIA.[/QUOTE]Get a text app like Google Voice. That gives you a number based out of any city you'd like that isn't traceable to you. There are plenty of those apps out there. BTW, same for email. Get a gmail account and you can set up a discrete Facebook profile, Kik account, etc. None that would give away your identity.

[QUOTE=SkyHighBuilder;3513818]Now, I've had everything from FREE (YEAH, they like their daddy) to 300 for a romping 2 fer and time was never an issue. If I even talk about time it's always in the abstract. Why would I lock myself into an hour when I could have 2 or more for the same money? I've had from the lower 20's to the upper 40's (guys, I'm out of the lower 20's. They have been my worst experiences and have GPS big time) but the mid-late 20's and up have been my sweet spot. I'm totally into submission and the quicker I can get them to their submissive nature the better. I ask them if they care to exchange pics, send a couple of "G" rated ones sand then ask if they want to be a bit more "daring" with them. This works 95% of the time and especially if you've put in the work to get there. This all happens within 20 texts, plus or minus..[/QUOTE]I hit Sky up for digits on one of his kills, and it didn't work out. That was 2 Saturdays ago.

The same night, I also signed up for SA, and was messaging girls all evening, and all of Sunday. Made my first kill on Monday afternoon with a girl whose electric bill was $80 short. BBBJ. No hands and CFS!! She hosted, so no hotel spent. Didn't ask about BBFS because I wasn't interested. She was a bit bigger than her pics, and since I didn't do a M&G, I took the L, and did the deed.

Started texting another one on Tuesday, met up on Thursday for M&G, and just hung out in her driveway talking. 24 and lives with family. She's happy for dinner, and a movie and $50! BBFS ok, but I'm going to need hotels with her.

Last one, M&G was last night. As soon as I sent my phone number, she STARTED OFF with Hi. How are you, and then shot me 3 nekkid pics! I was like WTF, you get to the point, and she said, I just want to make sure you know what you're getting in case you don't like what you see. She's 26, and good to go for only dinner, and mani / pedi money ($50-75), or gift cards for her favorite lingerie stores and phone time (talk to her periodically) I told her that I need pics of everything she buys with the money (teasing), and she said, "how about I just cam you while I'm in the dressing room for your approval, daddy?" (dead serious) BBFS? No problem, daddy.

I'm loving this shit, ALL DAY LONG!

Thanks to Sky for reigniting this thread, and thanks to all the others who have posted contribs. You could spend 6 months reading the Virginia forum, or you can just read the 180'ish posts on here, and be ready to go by tonight!

[QUOTE=JustMikey;3519409]If it's Sensualkitty and a friend that's close to her in looks, then they are definitely pretty, but how about the skill level? Are they more talented. More open menu?[/QUOTE]Talking looks. I've had reenee and I've had sensual kitty within a week of each other. Looks wise reenee wasnt that special imo.

And this thread getting some posts.

Couple of random thoughts (mostly in response to a number of the comments -- these apply across sites generally speaking):

Have a process. It's a numbers game. If you're a sales guy or at some point worked in sales it's the same thing (even if you're "buying" Your objective is to as efficiently as possible "qualify" as many of these "prospects" as efficiently as possible. Verify they are real. Find out what they are looking for. Meet them. Have a plan for where to go with the ones you like. Control your process. Tell them where you want the initial meeting to be. Your communications with them should as suggest the next step or action you want them to take.

Move from system messages or emails to texts as soon as you verify they aren't a spambot (& they have the same comfort with you). Goes without saying have a burner number for this purpose).

Voice verify before meeting anyone. You get a lot out of a voice and can gauge chemistry. Also not perfect but a lot fewer will no show after you've actually talked.

Don't completely rearrange your schedule around any of them you've never met before. A bunch of them will flake or things won't work out. This is also why you control the initial meeting spot. Make it convenient for you.

Try to identify their expectations before meeting. Doesn't need to be specific but eliminate the ones outside your budget.

Don't commit to anything until you actually meet her.

Set an expectation that if you like each other you want to move to a playtime location (unless you are actually fine with courting them. In not).

Always meet in a public place. Coffee shop or bar are great for this. Be wary of anyone that wants an initial meeting place at their residence (reflag for lack of mobility and true desperation). Also just plain awkward when you want to take a pass.

No what you bring to the table. Just a wallet or are you also younger or in good shape? Play it accordingly. Some really don't care about looks. Some really do. A good indicator here.

Be a nice guy. That doesn't mean be a simp but actually being nice goes along way. A big reason why the ones that aren't just interested ina wallet are playing here is guys her age are dicks.

On the topic of pics. Send her real ones. No point in misrepresenting and wasting your time. For security don't use the same ones you have all over the Internet on social media. By the same token, run reverse searches on her pics. Amazing what you'll find.

Don't fall in love. All good things end & there are plenty of them out there. Just your spidey senses. Be okay saying no even if it means going home and rubbing one out.

Sorry about all the typos. Combination of trying to do this on a phone and this site's wonderfully "helpful" autocorrect feature. Hopefully you can figure out the intent.

One other suggestion is early on when talking about her expectations ask her about her experiences with "arrangements" before. Not just the amount but what did she like / not like? Why? Very helpful way to get a read on her and what she's looking for.

Also for the ones that admit to being relatively green a good chance to proactively dispell the myths about how big the money is and how glamorous it really is. 99% of them aren't kept women getting five figure allowances (they call those wives in Buckhead) like you see on TV.

[QUOTE=Jaybirds;3519491]Just realized a way I can help out some guys with SA. I'm a big bargain shopper, so my price threshhold is pretty low. Which means I end up talking to some absolute gems that I then can't take advantage of. If you let me know what you're looking for (DM me), I'll shoot you referrals as that happens. Tell me race, body type, and if there's anything else specific that you're looking for. Plus, most importantly, budget. Would love to help some fellow board members out.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your offer to help. Shows your Inbox is full.

[QUOTE=Readytogetonit;3519786]I hit Sky up for digits on one of his..
...You could spend 6 months reading the Virginia forum, or you can just read the 180'ish posts on here, and be ready to go by tonight![/QUOTE]I am interested in reading more. What is the Virginia forum you are referring to here?

There are quite a few anonymous phone apps out there where you get a number that is not attached to your real number in any way. You pay for texts and minutes talking, but it isn't too expensive. I personally use an app called Hush. I'm single and I still send them to my Hush number first. Once I've met them or the turn out to not be BSC, I move them to my regular text.

I hope this helps.

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

[QUOTE=SouthsideStan;3519473]I've had a few gals on SA offer to send pictures or want me to text them.

As I am not giving out my number to anyone initially and, I don't have a burner, I have replied with an email address.

It seems it falls on deaf ears so far.

I figure there is something to them wanting to text or wanting my number. I am usually sceptical about that.

Why would they want to send pictures to a number but not to an email addy? Does the message system block email addresses?

I will be getting a burner soon. I just have to re-read some of the information here to learn What is the better method.

TIA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jaybirds;3519491]Just realized a way I can help out some guys with SA. I'm a big bargain shopper, so my price threshhold is pretty low. Which means I end up talking to some absolute gems that I then can't take advantage of. If you let me know what you're looking for (DM me), I'll shoot you referrals as that happens. Tell me race, body type, and if there's anything else specific that you're looking for. Plus, most importantly, budget. Would love to help some fellow board members out.[/QUOTE]Jay clear your inbox.

[QUOTE=StrockInBizkit;3520817]I am interested in reading more. What is the Virginia forum you are referring to here?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

I am not going to lie. It is a lot of work, but if you are decent looking and willing to invest some time then you won't go back to escorts.

Enjoy!

My turn to chime in, thanks to those that recommended SA!

My experience, I am a 50+ married man so looking for discretion. I am at least 1. 5 hrs from Atlanta so not as many to choose from.

Looking for 26-35 year old that can provide good / great sex. Not just a pump and done since I get all I want at home but basic stuff. Looking to meet 2 times a month.

First, did a M&G with a skinny possible ex druggy, not currently. Nice lady with bills and no baby daddy. Gave her $$ to help her out but do not plan to go further.

Second, everything same as first but had a little more fun. Basic so do not plan to return.

Third, separated woman with kids and no help. $$ and had a great time. 5+ O's from her which I love. Couple from me. She was nervous so had to start slow but after she got started, WOW. Set up a monthly thing so I am done looking. At least for the next few months.

I get pings from 18-23 year old girls but I just do not want that young. Easy to find girls as others have said. Totally different environment than BP girls.

SA cost a little up front, but well worth it. I did all the above in less than 2 weeks and have numbers from 4-5 other girls. If I wanted young I think I would have 20+ numbers.

Best of luck out there, be careful.

There are a few such posts like this (IN THIS FORUM!) that should be stickied, and this forum is fairly young by comparison to the VA folks.

[QUOTE=Steak404;3519962]And this thread getting some posts.

Couple of random thoughts (mostly in response to a number of the comments -- these apply across sites generally speaking):

Have a process. It's a numbers game. If you're a sales guy or at some point worked in sales it's the same thing (even if you're "buying" Your objective is to as efficiently as possible "qualify" as many of these "prospects" as efficiently as possible. Verify they are real. Find out what they are looking for. Meet them. Have a plan for where to go with the ones you like. Control your process. Tell them where you want the initial meeting to be. Your communications with them should as suggest the next step or action you want them to take.

Move from system messages or emails to texts as soon as you verify they aren't a spambot (& they have the same comfort with you). Goes without saying have a burner number for this purpose).

Voice verify before meeting anyone. You get a lot out of a voice and can gauge chemistry. Also not perfect but a lot fewer will no show after you've actually talked.

Don't completely rearrange your schedule around any of them you've never met before. A bunch of them will flake or things won't work out. This is also why you control the initial meeting spot. Make it convenient for you.

Try to identify their expectations before meeting. Doesn't need to be specific but eliminate the ones outside your budget.

Don't commit to anything until you actually meet her.

Set an expectation that if you like each other you want to move to a playtime location (unless you are actually fine with courting them. In not).

Always meet in a public place. Coffee shop or bar are great for this. Be wary of anyone that wants an initial meeting place at their residence (reflag for lack of mobility and true desperation). Also just plain awkward when you want to take a pass.

No what you bring to the table. Just a wallet or are you also younger or in good shape? Play it accordingly. Some really don't care about looks. Some really do. A good indicator here.

Be a nice guy. That doesn't mean be a simp but actually being nice goes along way. A big reason why the ones that aren't just interested ina wallet are playing here is guys her age are dicks.

On the topic of pics. Send her real ones. No point in misrepresenting and wasting your time. For security don't use the same ones you have all over the Internet on social media. By the same token, run reverse searches on her pics. Amazing what you'll find.

Don't fall in love. All good things end & there are plenty of them out there. Just your spidey senses. Be okay saying no even if it means going home and rubbing one out.[/QUOTE]

I for one, am NEVER going back. I've been trying to crack the code in the USA on what ISG guys call "non-pros". This is the USA version of that key.

[QUOTE=Grizzly383;3521262][URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

I am not going to lie. It is a lot of work, but if you are decent looking and willing to invest some time then you won't go back to escorts.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]

It's drinking from a firehose. I've been reading that forum on and off for months, never quite happy that I had enough information to pull the trigger.

Then I ready this forum's 180 ish posts in an afternoon, and I was off to the races. Just had BBFS for lunch after feeding a hungry SB a 10 piece wing combo with fries and a drink.

[QUOTE=StrockInBizkit;3520817]I am interested in reading more. What is the Virginia forum you are referring to here?[/QUOTE]

If you run across a scammer, or a chick who is just trying to screw us out of money in some shape form or fashion. Post a link to her profile so we can avoid her ass. Hell if you come across some chick who drained your balls and you want to share, post a link to her too. LOL.

I am sooo glad the this is active now.

Can I make a request to you folks? Can we try avoid posting our "success stories"? I get it that you had a great time but it doesn't help other brothers here.

What I propose is:

1) We make posts about HOW it was a success. Share some insights about your ways of approach and game.

2) Share your failures and bad experiences, so the stronger players can give advice.

3) Rants?

Just my thoughts, everyone is not going to agree with me so feel free to add new points to this list.

Play strong!

I'm just passing on a good thing someone from the Virginia bunch worked up one day. Hop to their Virginia Board search these post# and go straight to the topic. Enjoy.

05-19-15 23:46 #9200.

USA SB Thread Highlights Part 2 - Contacting and Profiles.

Posts on how to handle contacting girls, setting up profiles, and handling initial negotiations. Note that these are in the order I found them, not chronological order:

John G Smith post #2285: red / green / pro flags in profiles.

F Scott post #2288: more red flags.

GuyWoodson post #1687: general SA guidelines / approach.

John G Smith post #1898: getting additional info via FB profiles, and unequal identity concerns.

HollywoodGuy post #2088: First version of his stock contact message.

John G Smith post #2233: screening guidelines and approaches.

HollywoodGuy post #2246: direct approach and what girls want.

John G Smith post #2250: caution with message wording.

SubCmdr post #2409: blunt approach to intentions.

Obx Fun post #15: general approach.

ThudPucker post #24: honesty in intentions.

Literal2 post #75: filtering time wasters.

Literal2 post #233: general approach.

Literal2 post #294: more approaches.

F Scott post #300: thoughts after posting a fake SB profile.

BigTigger post #405: approach for using the AM site.

Literal2 post #914: getting an agreement.

Coolhand2 post #918: first-time meetings right at the FC.

F Scott post #941: contact using words from their profile.

HollywoodGuy post #3320: approaching sugar as a salesperson.

HollywoodGuy post #4222: looking for a "friendly handshake" on the sale.

Revvo post #4711: adjusting your approach to match their expectations.

F Scott post #5015: polishing your profile and first message.

Revvo post #5116: being patient with an "abundance mentality".

Pats Fan1 post #5340: confidence and contacts.

UKnowWho post #5583: avoid "spoiled" and "pampered".

John G Smith post #5997: asking for pics to help filter prospects.

JeezLizard post #6101: organizing and tracking prospects.

DirtyDeeds38 post #6189: filtering and contacting approach.

DirtyDeeds38 post #6395: mentioning sugar and handling expectations.

FredMoore post #6396: making expectations clear.

John G Smith post #6397: caution with negotiating money.

FotoGuy1970 post #6693: answers to approach questions.

HollywoodGuy post #6956: Second version of his stock contact message.

ThirdCoaster post #6974: consistency between profile and message.

F Scott post #7787: quickly contacting new additions to the site.

JeezLizard post #8243: explanation for girls saying "I won't do. " in their profiles.

HollywoodGuy post #8252: Third version of his 5 Steps message.

HollywoodGuy post #8296: templates for mentioning donations.

HollywoodGuy post #8850: selectiveness and negotiating.

HollywoodGuy post #8978: Responding to a GPS request.

Hey guys, I've now cleared some Inbox space; sorry for the confusion.

One of my SA favorites has a room Friday night just south of Atlanta and is taking appointments. DM me and I'll get you details. Young, white, thin, great ass, bare.

I am not going to use my credit card to sign up for SA site. Wanted to ask the team what cards did you use to pay for SA premium and anything to watch out for?

Make a dummy PayPal account then send money to that account using your PayPal account you use regularly. And Pay with dummy.

[QUOTE=Manzanito;3522325]I am not going to use my credit card to sign up for SA site. Wanted to ask the team what cards did you use to pay for SA premium and anything to watch out for?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manzanito;3522325]I am not going to use my credit card to sign up for SA site. Wanted to ask the team what cards did you use to pay for SA premium and anything to watch out for?[/QUOTE]I've always paid with my personal AMEX card, never a problem. They even have it stored for quick renewal. The item on your bill says something else. NOT SA.

[QUOTE=VegaWrap;3511365]Has anyone had sensualkitty97 ?

They want a crazy allowance but they look TGTBT. Claiming to be 20 year old models. Some of these girls don't look enough like their pics when you meet them. This one seems legit enough.

Anyone have a review?[/QUOTE]An immediate red flag to me is that she's only 19 but has had this SA account for 2 years and 7 months. Hmmm, that doesn't add up to me!

Safe mongering and sugaring!

[QUOTE=Jaybirds;3522189]Hey guys, I've now cleared some Inbox space; sorry for the confusion.

One of my SA favorites has a room Friday night just south of Atlanta and is taking appointments. DM me and I'll get you details. Young, white, thin, great ass, bare.[/QUOTE]Your box is full again.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=RWarNmsn69;3522702]An immediate red flag to me is that she's only 19 but has had this SA account for 2 years and 7 months. Hmmm, that doesn't add up to me!

Safe mongering and sugaring![/QUOTE]If you follow Vegas Wrap all through the threads, you will see that he met with them and hit a jackpot. In one post, he placed some pictures. He said they are pricey, but definitely model material. He rate one 10/10 and another as 9/10. I am not on SA, but I sure would like to hook if I had all the contact info.

Recently joined SA on advice of seniors. Did have luck in finding but the price is too much like 350. And is only 5/10. Problem is I am getting the question asking to name the price and later they are adding 50-100 based on additions. I know a good sales person would know how to sell. But I am very new to this, appreciate inputs and go easy on me guys.

[QUOTE=Manzanito;3522325]I am not going to use my credit card to sign up for SA site. Wanted to ask the team what cards did you use to pay for SA premium and anything to watch out for?[/QUOTE]Buy a prepaid Visa with cash. It will cost you an extra 5. 99 or thereabouts, but it works.

[QUOTE=FirmOffer;3522679]I've always paid with my personal AMEX card, never a problem. They even have it stored for quick renewal. The item on your bill says something else. NOT SA.[/QUOTE]This is exactly how people got outed with Ashley Madison. You have no way of knowing how secure their site is and these sites are prime targets for a hack because every guy is blackmail material or some so called social justice cause. I'd strongly advise that you use a prepaid visa and a fake name. I did that and had no issues.

I second this. You can also just link a credit card to the dummy PayPal account and pay using that. The charge will appear as W8 Tech Limited on your PayPal statement and as PayPal *[URL]W8TECH.COM[/URL] on your CC statement.

[QUOTE=Grizzly383;3522616]Make a dummy PayPal account then send money to that account using your PayPal account you use regularly. And Pay with dummy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;3523664]This is exactly how people got outed with Ashley Madison. You have no way of knowing how secure their site is and these sites are prime targets for a hack because every guy is blackmail material or some so called social justice cause. I'd strongly advise that you use a prepaid visa and a fake name. I did that and had no issues.[/QUOTE]If Ashley Madison didn't clue people in, then I don't know what will. Always pay with a pre-paid cad. If you do PayPal, fund it with prepaid cards. ALWAYS. And use an email address that never is used for anything but SA. Don't even give the password reset email to a legit email address. NEVER.

All,

Been watching this thread for a while and decided to take the plunge. I started this past Sunday. Since then I have had an all three hole session with a mature bbw which was amazing and just finished a super snuggling session in her car outside the restaurant we had lunch at. We are already scheduled for our next meet at her place. Based on how far I got in her car in the parking lot I am looking forward to some good lovin. She is in her 40's and looks great. All of this and I was out of town for part of the week too. When I view profiles on SA I start getting messages back. I'm mostly interested in 30 and 40's year old. I will read up on all the advice I see below. It should only get better and better. Glad this thread is active.

PC.

[QUOTE=Grizzly383;3521703]What I propose is:

1) We make posts about HOW it was a success. Share some insights about your ways of approach and game.

2) Share your failures and bad experiences, so the stronger players can give advice.

3) Rants?[/QUOTE]1. I achieved success staying AWAY from the exact same types of women I would stay away from in real life. If you look like someone I would hesitate to approach in real life, I avoid on SA. In real life, I avoid chicks who look "too hot". It screams high maintenance (which means high sugar), late for dates because of time for putting on warpaint (eh, makeup).

2. Fail #1. (All of this in 3 weeks!) Didn't M&G a chick, and only had face, pussy / thigh, and ass / leg shots. Our first meeting was at her house at 10:00 at night. She was cute, but bigger than her pics. If it was a proper M&G before I committed, I wouldn't have moved forward to FC. Nowhere to bail out, and the little head had been doing the thinking all day, so I was stuck.

Fail #2. Spent too much time texting what turned out to be a bat shit crazy chick who lived so far away, that I wasn't ever going to close escrow with anyway. Figure out how far you're willing to travel for SB time, and figure out if they're within proximity QUICKLY!

Fail #3. Almost blew an opportunity with a chick because I spent TOO MUCH time messaging, and then texting. These chicks have a lot of dudes on their phone and chat window, and most of them are full of shit, and won't come through. They are on SA for a reason. They need something, and they have already resigned themselves to giving something to get something! So, strike while the iron is HOT! Just met her for lunch, and she's much happier, and I have memories that will last me for hours. Until I need another nut.

Rant:

Young chicks that hit me up are usually dangerous. While they're smoking hot, 98.7% of them have GPS, and I don't have the patience to weed through them, so I don't bother.

Why is it that these chicks are on a SB / SD website, but still want to act like they're on [URL]match.com[/URL] and do conventional dating stuff? Oh wait. They're all having a crisis of conscience. They're further along in the understanding that all women prostitute themselves in some fashion, but they're not ready to fully digest the reality of said fact.

Great report!

I know. It's like the hot stove. You got to get burned before you believe it's really hot.

Not picking on you. Just building on a couple of points. Lord knows I've learned all this the hard way.

I know it is also counter intuitive, right? She suggests meeting at her place; you think you got a sure thing, right? But think about what you might be getting.

Always M&G in public. When they won't M&G it is a huge redflag. They can still be hot (appearance wise), but it is usually a big red flag that they are not mobile. Think about the pool you are playing with that aren't mobile (not even to a McDonald's down the street) in the Metro Atlanta ares? This is the era of $5 Uber Pool.

If she is or could be mobile and won't M&G that should be a red flag too, like you are walking into a catfish no different than the fake pics the BP gals post.

Beyond the redflag and quality aspects of things, there is a huge strategic element to not going to her place. In public, you control the situation, etc. You don't like, you pick up the drink check and leave, being as gracious and polite as the situation dictates.

There's also a little bit of a safety issue with going straight to her place. It essentially becomes like going to an incall for P2 P. At least if you've met her at the Starbucks a mile from her place it makes organizing any kind of trap a little more difficult or at least involved.

Even worse than meeting at her place is picking her up and taking her to a place for "a date"/ M&G or a ride to your place. She's gets in her car she's kinda your responsibility to some extent. This is perhaps the worst lot: the can't host and not mobile. The double whammy. I've literally turned down 3* (two of them would have been straight up free) chicks this week where when it came down to logistics it turned out they were not mobile or able to host. Trust me it was hard to say thanks but no thanks, holler at me when you get wheels, but it just is a mess. *one actually could host but didn't want to M&G first.

Also if you are meeting someone for what you hope is a regular, ongoing thing the whole not mobile / can't host double whammy starts becoming a real time eater.

Changing topics, have a sense of urgency when you are scheduling dates. The odds of dates not occurring increase exponentially with the amount of time between now and when you plan to meet. Offer to meet same day or next day. There is no time like the present. You can't always control this but you want to push to meet sooner vs. Later. If they think you are being too pushy tell them straight up, "listen, in my experience, the longer we wait to get together the less likely it is that we actually hookup. " Also don't be afraid to tell the ones that tell you how busy they are (LOL) that "listen, if you are too busy too meet, I don't think this is going to work out. " (e. G. The whole take the offer off the table as a way of closing approach).

Finally, don't be afraid to double or triple book (first) dates (M&G with the expectation of playtime) on the same day. You look at it and think "wow if I see them all I'll be spent in more ways than one!" Stagger them a couple hours apart. Invariably one or more won't workout and you'll be glad you had a backup plan (literally because you're probably ready to go with anticipation from the first one that didn't work out). If you really can't / don't want to see the 2nd or 3rd one because you're busy simply cancel. Be a good guy about it and let them know ASAP. Don't no show them. Or if you can make the M&G but aren't sure you will be (literally) up for the playtime, meet her anyway and see if you like her but beg off on the playtime. If you really like her you might find yourself ready to go again! I call that a doubleheader! Enjoy!

I know the whole double or triple booking thing sounds like a dick move but trust me, she's doing it too. You know all those lame excuses she gives you for cancelling on you (assuming she has the courtesy to actually tell you) about stuff at work or her grandma being sick or whatever? 80% of that is her meeting a guy she perceives as a better prospect. Again don't be a dick about it. Once you know you won't be able to meet let her know ASAP.

I want to reinforce a point I made it my post a few days ago. Do this on timing that works for you. Don't jerk your schedule around for the schedule of one prospect. All of our circumstances are different but most of us probably have a couple of blocks of time in any given week that we could do "playtime" - if you are trying to meet new girls load up that block of time with several dates and increase your odds of having a good time.

Ideally you are doing the initial M&G in a place that is convenient to you. There is a bar in Buckhead that I met / meet so many propects the regular staff all knew what was up. Above average to stunning women, 10-20 years younger than me, never the same one twice, often two in an evening, we never arrive together. They caught on pretty quick and as a regular were happy for me or at least professional. They also knew I'd been stood up when I sat alone for 20 minutes LOL.

Have a system guys.

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2. Fail #1. (All of this in 3 weeks!) Didn't M&G a chick, and only had face, pussy / thigh, and ass / leg shots. Our first meeting was at her house at 10:00 at night. She was cute, but bigger than her pics. If it was a proper M&G before I committed, I wouldn't have moved forward to FC. Nowhere to bail out, and the little head had been doing the thinking all day, so I was stuck.

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