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[QUOTE=Dripper]...however, there is little doubt that prostitution can have collateral effects (i.e., street walkers parading near residential neighborhoods, the related sale of drugs to addicts, etc.). While one could legitimately argue that these adverse effects of prostitution stem largely from its illegal status, that is a matter of political policy.[/QUOTE]

Just like other places where prostitution is legal, local governments can restrict or ban "street" activity. The other collateral effects are due to the fact that prostitution is illegal. While legalization will not eliminate these effects, they will be greatly reduced.

[QUOTE=One Wing Low] ...You sound more like a serious law guy than a plane guy... [/QUOTE]

Well, I've done a lot of business travel in my life... My mother is a political activist (exteremly liberal, she was personally on McCarthy's Black List). She always taught me to speak out against hypocrisy and injustice... Radical activists have been in my family for generations. I always had a passion for this (second only to aviation, and of course WOMEN!)

[QUOTE=One Wing Low] ...I agree with your strategies, but would add the followings:

1. Fight all or most prostitution charges. Enlist a few liberal attorneys and form an association of mongers/providers who would pay an insurance fee to have all prostitution charges fought and appealed to frustrate prosecution. I hope you guys know a few capable defense attorneys who are also prolific mongers.

2. Lobby everyone not to convict prostitution defendants, unless there are violence, exploitation or gross indiscretion.

3. Lobby the liberal press to report on the positive benefits of legalized prostitution and the crimes, diseases, abuses and exploitation created by anti-prostitution laws. Believe me the press can write much better than we can. They also have lots more clout, credibility and can reach much bigger audiences to put heavy pressure on the government.

4. Confront local governments with their failures to prevent and prosecute violent crimes vs. prostitution.

5. Demand city councils to stop expending any resources into investigation, entrapment and prosecution of all discreet sexual activities. You can call anonymously, write letters, or hire private investigators to dig up dirt, or set up your councilmen in their sexual indiscretions.

Those are some of my quick thoughts.

While OC cops are busy going around busting johns and prostitutes, Sheriff Mike Carona has been sued by a number of women for sexual harassment. His lieutenant Don Haidle had to resign because of publicity surrounding his son's conviction of gang rape of a then 16-year-old girl. The kid and his dumb friends are looking at 10-20 years in prison. It probably would not have happened if prostitution were legalized and properly controlled...[/QUOTE]

I coudn't agree more. We need to look at ALL aspects of changing these laws... We should also point out the Cost Benefit Analysis of better use of LE resources.

Personally, I'd rather see a guy take his money to a hooker to blow his wad and frustration instead of going out getting drunk and violent!

[QUOTE=One Wing Low] ...I would vote for Plane Guy as the next OC Sheriff, anytime he decided to run.[/QUOTE]

I thank you for your support, however, I am pro-gun and support many other individual rights, they wouldn't let me run!

The other benefit of legalized prostitution, would be a great reduction in the sex slave trade. Lawmakers are drafting several laws to protect these women in the sex slave trade, but no law would do as much as legalized prostitution. It just wouldn't be worth someone's time, as there would be many willing girls to do the work.

If there is a movement to legalize prostitution, it would need to come from a large municipality. The one that comes to mind would be San Francisco. Get them to lead the way and ride on their coattails.

[QUOTE=PlaneGuy]Just like other places where prostitution is legal, local governments can restrict or ban "street" activity. The other collateral effects are due to the fact that prostitution is illegal. While legalization will not eliminate these effects, they will be greatly reduced.[/QUOTE]

Dripper:

Your argument and logic are well founded and I agree with you.

However, LE needs to concentrate not on the end user; the working girl. They need to use their resources more directly and affectively to get to the source of the drug problem, the big-time drug dealers.

I know some of you wll say thats the DEA's job, but local LE has Federal $'s to focus on this area of crime, they just choose not to make it a priority, they use the Federal $'s elsewhere and leave drugs and narcotics prevention to the beat cops. Lame. Yet another abuse of your tax dollars.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Dripper]
however, there is little doubt that prostitution can have collateral effects (i.e., street walkers parading near residential neighborhoods, the related sale of drugs to addicts, etc.). While one could legitimately argue that these adverse effects of prostitution stem largely from its illegal status, that is a matter of political policy, not constitution principle.

[QUOTE=Oc Amper]The other benefit of legalized prostitution, would be a great reduction in the sex slave trade. Lawmakers are drafting several laws to protect these women in the sex slave trade, but no law would do as much as legalized prostitution. It just wouldn't be worth someone's time, as there would be many willing girls to do the work.

If there is a movement to legalize prostitution, it would need to come from a large municipality. The one that comes to mind would be San Francisco. Get them to lead the way and ride on their coattails.[/QUOTE]


Many feminist groups actually make the same point. In fact, even organization such as Children of the Night, who are focused on getting girls out of prostitution actually support legalization, as it would make their job easier.

[QUOTE=Longrod]Mexico is relatively immune to the accusation of allowing prostitution because, technically, prostitution is illegal throughout Mexico. However, Mexico has zones of tolerance, i.e. 3-4 square block areas in major towns, where the laws of prostitution are NOT enforced. A novel idea, huh?

...Perhaps the best approach to get prostitution going on in the USA is ... to not try to legalize it (too hard). Instead leave the laws on the books, but not enforce them.

Remember during the hippie era communities like Ann Arbor, MI and Berkeley in CA had some ridiculous penalty for pot possession ... a $5 fine (he-he-he).

In Detroit, hookers used to get run through Traffic Court in the 1960's and given an insulting $10 fine and admonished to not do it again (yeah, right!).

The smart approach, IMHO, is to find a hard-up city that needs money and the citizenry is okay with a few buildings that cater to adult activity, and let that city allow vice to occur without a stiff penalty (if enforced at all).

Hell, in Laguna Hills and Seal Beach, there are "senior citizens only" living communities that don't have to deal with children issues (since everybody is 55yrs or older) like providing schools. Maybe something could be done along the same lines so that a targeted-for-prostitution city doesn't have to deal with the valid criticism of "what about the children".

Anybody care to add to this?[/QUOTE]

I understand what you are talking about, and decriminalization is a STEP in the right direction. Many people do not realize it, but prositution is ILLEGAL in Thailand, and (obviously) the laws are rarely enforced.

However until it is legalized we will not be able to iron out the problems. If prosititution were decriminalized, we would still be subject to harassment at the whim of municipal governments. There will always be Victorian fanatics who will try to have the laws enforced.

We have to put our feet down for FULL legalization.

[QUOTE=Longrod]The smart approach, IMHO, is to find a hard-up city that needs money and the citizenry is okay with a few buildings that cater to adult activity, and let that city allow vice to occur without a stiff penalty (if enforced at all).[/QUOTE]

This idea is clever. It was in fact practiced by the mamasans for at least 2 decades at a few hard up cities, including the 3 above. Massage parlors were abundant in those more tolerant cities where discreet vices and law and order seemed to coexist peacefully. It could be that the cities had tolerant policies, or it could be that the porks were paid off regularly.

However, in the last 3 years, the MP's in those cities have been raided regularly. Most of them were closed down, the people moved around. Does anybody know what caused the changes?

It would be nice to have clear-cut laws and enforcement policies so we can all pursue our little happiness...

The ones that have the most to lose, are the women that would like to be married but can't rope a guy in.

A little simple math. I'm married. An example of monthly costs to maintain a wife:

$400 - Car Payment
$75 - Car Insurance
$200 - gasoline
$100 - food
$$$ - health insurance

Lets see here, just getting started. Half of my 401k, house, and anything else that i happen to own. I'm sure I've left out a ton of stuff as well.

Seems like I could get laid using AMP girls once a week or so, never have the same one twice, she'll always appear in her 20's, just based on my monthly expenses. To my benefit, I'd also get a 20-40 minute massage to boot. Add in half my assets, and I could easily save a ton of cash.

I'd like to ask, all you guys in a relationship, when was the last time your girl did this for you.

Gave you a massage 20-40 minutes in lenght, with no complaints, asked you to turn over, started to touch you nicely on the front side, the proceeded to blow you and afterwards gave you a nice ride along with any position you asked for. Once completed, she cleans you up and gives you a hug and kiss and sends you on your way to your busy day?

Only in my dreams, or in the massage parlor :)

I'm sure this kind of thinking is somewhere in the back of the womens minds.

To make it legal, would really benefit all of society. Just stating the obvious, STD's could be managed better, health checks for the working women, taxes based on the services, it would likely put the women working the streets nearly out of business. By legalizing it, we can force these places into the part of town that is suitable, instead of next to a Church, which I know of one that is just 3 doors down.

I'd guess most of the AMP's are a front for organized crime of some sort. I've seen a few, they seen to have very little traffic. Definitely not enough traffic to pay the lease for the office, at $40 per customer, assuming the girls keep all of the money. So there must be a reason for this, organized crime, or some kind of money laundering.

Well Compton when from there local PD to the Sheriffs Dept. Also the crime rates in these area were at there all time high. The L.E. agencies in these area needed to show results to the cities paying for there services, busting a MP is much easier then, busting a gang or busting drug dealers!


Also, some of these places get robbed and just shut down.

Three X

I remember when Compton had 3 MP's all Korean, but I never made it over there!

I had some of the best fucks with the hottest Korean chicks in Compton, hehehe. Too bad the MP's there are all closed.

I think the MP on Alondra Blvd, on the East side of 710, next to Costco/Price Club, is still open. The younger mamasan there is tough and sometimes rude. She's like a dragon lady and worth a fuck herself. She would never let you have a line up. The girls there are average looking and fairly crude. I've never met a refined girl there. Check it out before it's shut down.

I dont think the pork would do anything without complaints. Compton is pretty run down. I don't think the neighbors would mind these little MP's. It could be the MP's competing and complaining against each other, which would be dumb. If they were smart, they would have pooled their resources and bought over the city councils and the LE's, or at least tried to buy advanced intelligence of raids etc...

To solve the problems of harassment and prosecution of discreet prostitution for us mongers, it may require a little good old American ingenuity and organization, which the mamasans may be lacking.

[QUOTE=Three X]Well Compton when from there local PD to the Sheriffs Dept. Also the crime rates in these area were at there all time high. The L.E. agencies in these area needed to show results to the cities paying for there services, busting a MP is much easier then, busting a gang or busting drug dealers!


Also, some of these places get robbed and just shut down.

Three X

I remember when Compton had 3 MP's all Korean, but I never made it over there![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=One Wing Low]This idea is clever. It was in fact practiced by the mamasans for at least 2 decades at a few hard up cities, including the 3 above. Massage parlors were abundant in those more tolerant cities where discreet vices and law and order seemed to coexist peacefully. It could be that the cities had tolerant policies, or it could be that the porks were paid off regularly.

However, in the last 3 years, the MP's in those cities have been raided regularly. Most of them were closed down, the people moved around. Does anybody know what caused the changes?

It would be nice to have clear-cut laws and enforcement policies so we can all pursue our little happiness...[/QUOTE]

Boston tried that a while back. A few square blocks called the combat zone. Filled with sleazy bars, adult stores and, even though illegal, many SW's. I haven't been back in years but it was slowly dying.

It was next to Chinatown so a great day to get some great Chinese food and 'dessert'

[QUOTE=Three X]...busting a MP is much easier then, busting a gang or busting drug dealers![/QUOTE]


True... add to the fact that busting MP girls brings nice fines (not to mention little chance of getting hurt)!

She's the 5'2 blonde with a pretty face, flawless soft skin, baby fat on her frame, and excellent bedside manners.

She called my cell number announcing her arrival in her little marketing campaign. I was busy so I called her back the next day, right before she was getting ready to drive back to Las Vegas.

She is very pretty, nice, sweet, pleasant. The best thing is she really enjoys the session, which makes it great.

This girl is a lot of fun and worth seeing again. She's only in OC 2 nights every other week.

through zoning and you can limit it to industrial areas where
there are no kids around. Also, no street hoes. Do like
Amsterdam and some Counties in Nevada. Red light districts
in industrial areas. The houses would pay business and
health permits. The girls would require licensing which
would include regular testing, finger printing, and attending annual
sex education classes. Owners of the houses would have
to clean criminal records like casinos do. There would
be a limit on how many ho houses of city could have per
square mile. Street hoing and other unlicensed hoing
would remain illegal. We the consumers would be assured
of a safe environment to enjoy our thing.

Yeah, sure - in our wildest dreams...

We live in one of the most puritan societies in the world, where your president opposes abortion, so what do you expect? I am still amazed that Nevada is still going strong with its operations.

You go to any civilized or 3rd world country in the world and you will have RLD's, Live Sex Shows, etc.

Here? They are trying to pass the "lap dance" bill in L.A., that would require a stripper to be at least 6 feet from the patron at the time of a lap dance.
Where does lap come into this equation?...



[QUOTE=sosurf]through zoning and you can limit it to industrial areas where
there are no kids around. Also, no street hoes. Do like
Amsterdam and some Counties in Nevada. Red light districts
in industrial areas. The houses would pay business and
health permits. The girls would require licensing which
would include regular testing, finger printing, and attending annual
sex education classes. Owners of the houses would have
to clean criminal records like casinos do. There would
be a limit on how many ho houses of city could have per
square mile. Street hoing and other unlicensed hoing
would remain illegal. We the consumers would be assured
of a safe environment to enjoy our thing.[/QUOTE]