Guess you are like the Big O NPelosi and Harry
[QUOTE=Willow1535;2177693]So lying to Congress and breaking the law is okay; as long as your guy does it? You look up to Oliver North? He is an ex con. In regards to your healthcare changes, due to Obamacare, you are either a liar, not intelligent or have 20 dependents included in your coverage. If you are paying that much. Let's be real here.[/QUOTE]You can't handle the truth I'm still waiting for my 2500 per year family deduction dickhead promised the families, being able to use my own doctor and hospital and would love to know what right the government has to choose my healthcare contained parts that I am fucking paying for. Same man who changed his own fucking ACA 40 times to make it say what he wanted it to without Constitutional authority. As far as North is concerned although originally found guilty on three charges tried and convicted and sentenced to three years of probation and 1200 hours of community service ALL CHARGES AGAINST HIM WERE DROPPED IN 1991 by Judge Gessell and his record was expunged Due your fuckiing research dip shit and don't let your mouth overload your ass You sound like a fking democrat member of the Obama administration
As a lifelong conservative
I have to roll my eyes at my Republican and Tea Party friends in this topic. It's exactly the sort of knee-jerk, fact-free reaction you've been giving that is ruining our party. We need to be the party of freedom and liberty, not the party of "no".
Did you know that we proposed a plan that was identical to Obamacare back in 1994? The United States healthcare system is fucked. We spend twice as much on healthcare as any nation on earth, and yet our healthcare is only ranked 37th in the world. Fucking Costa Rica is ahead of us in the quality of the care that they provide. We're America! We're never supposed to be anything but #1.
At least Obama did something. And he did something using a plan that twenty years ago, our side championed. And now what? We fucking distract ourselves with constantly trying to repeal it rather than actually trying to fix the nation. We should be the party of freedom. Instead, we're the party of idiots.
You are obviously an uneducated person
Can you articulate a point without the foul language or name calling?
North was originally convicted and admitted he had lied to Congress during his testimony. He received a sentence of community service, house arrest and probation (3 year suspended sentence). Pretty light for what he had admitted to doing.
The funny thing is that he used the ACLU to have his convictions vacated on a technical issue. He was granted immunity for his testimony in front of Congress, which prohibited the Prosecutor from using that testimony against him.
Did he break the law yes; he admitted as much. Was his conviction vacated. Absolutely. Did Reagan lie to Congress. Yep. When the chips were down, Ollie turned to that great champion of Civil Rights, that the Right so adores, for help to get his behind out of a mess. You know; your pals from the ACLU.
You don't speak the truth. You're close on the North item. Looks like you know how to use Google.
Wow. So much to say and so little time
North was convicted and admitted he broke the law. He did have his conviction vacated, but he and Reagan broke the law. Period. You other response says that you are okay with that, so I will move on. Breaking laws and lying to Congress appear to be okay in your book. What do you think about North using the ACLU? Now that is funny.
Your healthcare rant is just the same old. Well, for lack of a better word, propaganda. You're correct, it is your right to choose not to have healthcare, but it should also be the hospital's right to refuse care unless you can prove that you can pay for it. Even in the case of emergency situations. How would you resolve one of the biggest issues affecting our economy? Sit back and do nothing? That is exactly what the Republicans and some Democrats were doing.
By the way, you're not an unintelligent man because I say so, you are because you can't communicate in a proper manner. I teach my children that there is a proper way to exchange ideas and communicate with people. There is no reason for the name calling and vulgar language.
When you resort to those types of tactics, you are usually uneducated or lack self control. You can choose which one fits your scenario.
Good luck to you mate. Have a beverage this weekend and calm down a bit. Enjoy life.
[QUOTE=PuntangMan;2178059]If your conviction is vacated and record expunged you are no longer a FELON legal fact I curse because like Obama you speak half truths. Did he lie yes did he admit such yes did he break the law yes was his conviction overturned and record expunged and he by law is no longer a convicted felon yes Legal fact Don't tell someone he is a convicted felon when by LAW he has no conviction on his record. Unlike the President who has changed a law passed by congress some 40 times without going back to Congress the right way and has had SCOTUS slap his hands twice Hobby Lobby and recess appointments which both were illegal The man has no respect for separation of powers and believes the government has the right to tell it's citizens they MUST have health care set up the way the government wants it not the way we want it. AND if you don't get health care OUR CHOICE we have to pay a fine to the government because WE CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE HEALTH CARE / OUR CHOICE. The government that governs best is the one that governs less. Look up that quote Almost everything the government has tried to control in this nation they have fucked up and are still fucking it up. Stay out of our personal health choices That is OUR business not theirs. And since you say so I am OBVIOUSLY and uneducated man because you say so and therefore I am what you say I am[/QUOTE]
This will be my last discussion of this from my end and Willow I am sure
Will have his last go. Facts for the masses not PROPAGANDA. When ACA was first proposed not ONE Republican voted for it which is an absolute rarity in politics. Pelosi, Obama, and Clinton H are and were all quoted as stating if you want to keep your doctor hosptital and medical plans you CAN. Those were lies. Pelosi the village idiot of the House at that time said before we know what is in the ACA we must pass it then we can read it. Really doesn't work that way for something that effects 1/6 of the economy.
Fact for a plan that was to be Obama's signature plan and contribution to American's in 3 years Sebelius and HHR couldn't get it right on the web site construction. It cost Americans close to a billion dollars to date and it still does not work right. I checked my copay for my family of four and it is what I said it is through Anthem and it went from what I said it was. In spite of this Willow called me a liar. That I am NOT. There are many problems in this nation with many different causes ranging from Pelosi and Reid the resident trolls of the house of and Senate to Boehner who can't control the Tea Party Caucus which is also a big problem. Fact there have been over 300 bipartisan bills sent to the Senate and still sit on Harry's desk to date with no action taken. Of course Boehner and the house have to reciprocate by not passing what comes to the House they may not like. Obama talks a good game "I am willing to work with anybody to get these issues solved LIE. It is his way or the highway and the House of course has to get into the act also. Fact there are over 11.7 million illegal aliens in America by admission on both sides Fact. Why not go through the normal steps of becoming a citizen. We have laws coverning that however if you want your party to stay in control you overlook certain things.
Fact everone feels sorry for kids who come here due to conditions in their own country Fact we can't support in this economy those who flood our borders with health, medical, dental, vision, education and subsidization. This is not a welfare state but is quickly becoming one. Send them back Sorry my feelings. My grandparents and parents came here the old fasioned way, got their citizenship the old fashioned way and it worked for them. Our borders are not secure and without proper funding or moving down the national and state guards won't be.
Last but not least, not caring what party is in the White House THE IRS should NEVER be used to target groups, dispense those groups personal information to a Federal Elections board nor be run in part or in total by prejudiced people who do not like them because they do not care for those things they stand for the Tea Party Amercian Patriots ETC. You damned sure don't refer to them in and IRS email as a bunch of assholes whether you feel that way or not and you damned sure don't LOSE your emails appropriately when a government oversite committee asks for your records that by law must be kept for a set amount of time. If we lost our tax records what would be our punishment. Fact we have a screwed up nation that is so fucking worried about keeping power and ruling they have lost site of what their purpose is SERVING THE PEOPLE and that goes for both parties. So FACT if you don't like what is going on in Washington CLEAN HOUSE and get in different people regardless of party. Someone who will serve us and do what is best for AMERICA If they lie to us vote them out again and again and again until we get someone or some people in who WILL SERVE US and not the big banks, corporations and monied interests. If we can't get this then it makes no difference in the long run. It will all be downhill with the same old same old in control. One last thought Sir Willow cursing is a bad thing to you and an indication of intelligence or lack there of. How does fucking total strangers in the hobby ladies who might have drug issues, sticking ones cock up a ladies ass, eating a ladies pussy who has had how many dicks in it in a day, pushing fingers and tongues into each others asses, rank on the intelligence quotient scale to you? We all have our choices in life and when I get mad I choose using good old fashioned hard language. Many of us depending on your acceptance levels of actions and activities would NEVER qualify for the poster child of the year for intelligenece now would they/we? JMO and have a good rest of the year. PT.
90% of this Post is 100% TRUE!!
90% of this Post is 100% TRUE!! My Insurance was canceled! It now cost me double with a $10.000. 00 deductible! Obama should be in JAIL for his crimes against us!
[QUOTE=WingmanTodd;2176655]This was sent to me by a Libertarian friend of mine. I'm curious to hear your take on this! Rebuke any erroneous statements and please and help me distinguish fact from fiction! Guys, this is your over-the-weekend homework!
WMT.
Subject: Obama's accomplishments. Or lack of!
This showed up on a business website I connect on. Some interesting comments come in from retired military guys. This one was rather pointed.
By COL. ROBERT F. CUNNINGHAM and.
RISHOR, The Gilmer Mirror (a Northwest Texas paper).
Quit trashing Obama's accomplishments.
He has done more than any other President before him.
Here is a list of his impressive accomplishments:
First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
First President to preside over a cut.
To the credit-rating of the United States.
First President to violate the War Powers Act.
First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.
First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the USA, including those with criminal convictions.
First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.
First President to terminate America's ability to put a man in space.
First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.
First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.
First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.
First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).
First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.
First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.
First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.
First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers. (OPPS, he is gone again!
First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.
First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.
First President to repeat the Holy Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.
First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).
First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they "volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences. ".
Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion. (Thank God he didn't get away with THIS one.).
How is this hope and change working out for you?
It absolutely boggles the mind to try and comprehend all this guy has gotten away with. Any other president would have been impeached!
P.S. - also remember all the "phony scandals" - e. G. , IRS, fast and furious (gun running), Benghazi, changing law re Obama care, etc. , etc.
But in the words of the duck from Aflack Insurance, He is only "Half black"!
Oh, and please, Bush is not the POTUS now, so don't bring into this as Obummer does!!
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