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Good solid advice My. 02
[QUOTE=DonTrask;5344051]1. Streets are Kensington Ave from Leigh up to Castor. Side streets off of K Avenue work too. Broadway in Camden, mostly from Ferry to Cooper Hospital.
2. None carry a sign around their neck but I will tell you that a Civie will ignore you but a SW typically locks eyes, smiles or waves, or all three at the same time.
3. Here is what I do, everybody is different. I signal them by a nod of head or thumbs up, pull off the main drag within a block of them an make them walk up and get in my car. If they attempt to talk to me thru a window, I just say I thought you were someone else and pull away. I never talk services or price for at least a few blocks after picking them up.
4. This is hard one, but find a street that doesn't have a high level of traffic, maybe a one way. Park in between cars and never be the only car on the block, never park in front of somebody's front door. And leave plenty of room in front of your car so if you had to pull away fast, you can do it. If you ever get spooked by someone approaching on foot, don't hesitate, just pull away and live to fight another day.[/QUOTE]Very good tips, I would say.
I'd just like to add to #4 if I may.
A couple reasons to not "talk through the window".
1) discretion.
2) discretion.
3) "most" LE decoys, or "stings" will NOT get in your car. If the person you are talking to would like to do business with you, they can do it elsewhere, not standing on the street, where everyone can see.
Those are some really good tips, and it makes it sound fairly easy, but, rest assured, doing so, and staying in control of the situation takes some degree of skill. , And I DO applaud any and all good street guys.
Like mentioned above, if at any point you get spooked, just move on. Better safe than sorry.
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[QUOTE=DonTrask;5344051]1. Streets are Kensington Ave from Leigh up to Castor. Side streets off of K Avenue work too. Broadway in Camden, mostly from Ferry to Cooper Hospital.
2. None carry a sign around their neck but I will tell you that a Civie will ignore you but a SW typically locks eyes, smiles or waves, or all three at the same time.
3. Here is what I do, everybody is different. I signal them by a nod of head or thumbs up, pull off the main drag within a block of them an make them walk up and get in my car. If they attempt to talk to me thru a window, I just say I thought you were someone else and pull away. I never talk services or price for at least a few blocks after picking them up.
4. This is hard one, but find a street that doesn't have a high level of traffic, maybe a one way. Park in between cars and never be the only car on the block, never park in front of somebody's front door. And leave plenty of room in front of your car so if you had to pull away fast, you can do it. If you ever get spooked by someone approaching on foot, don't hesitate, just pull away and live to fight another day.[/QUOTE]Great advice DonTrask I agree with almost everything especially # 4. The part about leaving an exit route came in handy for me personally a couple of weeks ago. I happened to be sitting on the ave where Schiller connects.
An attractive well-dressed girl with below-the-shoulder-length brown hair walks by my vehicle. I should have realized what the deal was when I saw a loser walking a short way behind her. She came to my passenger side and before I saw what was going on the loser had slipped behind my vehicle.
I hit the lock to let the girl in. That fast the loser had my driver door open with what looked on a quick glance to be a Glock shoved in my face. Had a mask up to his eyes. For a split second the lowlife got distracted by the girl on the opposite side of my vehicle.
Another safety precaution I use along with leaving a forward escape route is I NEVER put my vehicle in park when talking to someone. I keep my foot on the brake in case I need to leave in a hurry.
When the loser was quickly distracted, for that one moment, with my driver's door wide open I punched the gas to the floor knocking him over as I barreled out of there. Before I reached Ontario he fired at me. Lucky for me he missed, but I heard the bullet hit something metal close by. That's a big problem with the thugs that have guns. Most can't hit what they think they are pointing at. Fortunately for me. That's why the news reports always say there were 8-10-12 bullets fired in a shooting.
Any other time the 7-11 would be loaded with Johnny Law. Not this time. This was a closer call than I care to think. Yet, it stresses the importance of safety and why we need to constantly stay alert. This situation could have had a much different ending. You know, to each their own. For this specific reason, I would never park between two vehicles. My personal safety preference.
So, if we don't do anything for each other, constantly remind one another about safety and leaving a ready exit available. Most of all being ready to hit the gas without shifting into drive. You never know the importance of your caution until you need to put what you know into practice.
If any readers here think you are immune to this kind of activity watch the news any day. You will see thugs with guns are at an all-time high in Philly. Stay, alert and above all put pussy second and safety first. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
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Good stuff
[QUOTE=Gator145;5344868]Great advice DonTrask I agree with almost everything especially # 4. The part about leaving an exit route came in handy for me personally a couple of weeks ago. I happened to be sitting on the ave where Schiller connects.
An attractive well-dressed girl with below-the-shoulder-length brown hair walks by my vehicle. I should have realized what the deal was when I saw a loser walking a short way behind her. She came to my passenger side and before I saw what was going on the loser had slipped behind my vehicle.
I hit the lock to let the girl in. That fast the loser had my driver door open with what looked on a quick glance to be a Glock shoved in my face. Had a mask up to his eyes. For a split second the lowlife got distracted by the girl on the opposite side of my vehicle.
Another safety precaution I use along with leaving a forward escape route is I NEVER put my vehicle in park when talking to someone. I keep my foot on the brake in case I need to leave in a hurry.
When the loser was quickly distracted, for that one moment, with my driver's door wide open I punched the gas to the floor knocking him over as I barreled out of there. Before I reached Ontario he fired at me. Lucky for me he missed, but I heard the bullet hit something metal close by. That's a big problem with the thugs that have guns. Most can't hit what they think they are pointing at. Fortunately for me. That's why the news reports always say there were 8-10-12 bullets fired in a shooting..[/QUOTE]Always good info Gator. You and I have had several conversations over the years and as a monger going back to the late 80's it never ceases to amaze me the incidents that occur. To be successful long term is to develop a radar that supersedes your little brain between your legs. I was shot in Bmore in 2014 in an attempted truck jacking at a Royal farms, unrelated to mongering. My business operates in some of the worst areas in the Midlantic states. There are always thugs / criminals operating in those areas who are infinitely times smarter than you. Trust me. A walker who approaches your car and is not focused on you, tells me there is an ulterior motive. Watch their eye contact, nervousness, hesitation, look of approval outside of your face, tell tale signs. As far as a place, I've got several safe spots tried and true safe spots, any SW who directs you to an area, especially a one way street that's difficult to navigate, a lot of congestion is my stay away warning especially if they get upset you're not going there is a sure bet someone is lying in wait. That's it for now just a few more tips.
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[QUOTE=Gator145;5344868]Great advice DonTrask I agree with almost everything especially # 4. The part about leaving an exit route came in handy for me personally a couple of weeks ago. I happened to be sitting on the ave where Schiller connects.
An attractive well-dressed girl with below-the-shoulder-length brown hair walks by my vehicle. I should have realized what the deal was when I saw a loser walking a short way behind her. She came to my passenger side and before I saw what was going on the loser had slipped behind my vehicle.
I hit the lock to let the girl in. That fast the loser had my driver door open with what looked on a quick glance to be a Glock shoved in my face. Had a mask up to his eyes. For a split second the lowlife got distracted by the girl on the opposite side of my vehicle.
Another safety precaution I use along with leaving a forward escape route is I NEVER put my vehicle in park when talking to someone. I keep my foot on the brake in case I need to leave in a hurry.
When the loser was quickly distracted, for that one moment, with my driver's door wide open I punched the gas to the floor knocking him over as I barreled out of there. Before I reached Ontario he fired at me. Lucky for me he missed, but I heard the bullet hit something metal close by. That's a big problem with the thugs that have guns. Most can't hit what they think they are pointing at. Fortunately for me. That's why the news reports always say there were 8-10-12 bullets fired in a shooting.
Any other time the 7-11 would be loaded with Johnny Law. Not this time. This was a closer call than I care to think. Yet, it stresses the importance of safety and why we need to constantly stay alert. This situation could have had a much different ending. You know, to each their own. For this specific reason, I would never park between two vehicles. My personal safety preference.
So, if we don't do anything for each other, constantly remind one another about safety and leaving a ready exit available. Most of all being ready to hit the gas without shifting into drive. You never know the importance of your caution until you need to put what you know into practice.
If any readers here think you are immune to this kind of activity watch the news any day. You will see thugs with guns are at an all-time high in Philly. Stay, alert and above all put pussy second and safety first. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.[/QUOTE]Such great advice.
Another thing many don't understand is that handguns aren't that accurate past fairly close distances, even in the hands of someone who is competent (and most junkies are not).
I posted a bit ago. But it bears repeating.
A while back, I parked a bit too close to the ave. It was very late, I knew the girl, and my guard was down. While listening to "music" and being very in the thrall of the moment, a guy snuck up on my car with a bat. He demanded money / that I open the car and told me that if I restarted my car, he'd attack. There was no way on earth I was opening the door or window. I drove off, he took out windows.
Always remember that risk management is not the same for many of these people. They don't expect to live. They don't care about tomorrow. They aren't rational.
Safety is your best friend, but there is inherent risk to the hobby, and nothing makes you fool proof.
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Even just cruising the stroll while looking always give yourself enough space between you and the car in front of you to cut a turn or pull a you-turn when you stop at lights or stop signs behind another car. It might annoy some people behind you but fuck them especially when cars behind pull right up on your bumper. Any chance is better than no chance.
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I have definitely seen some situations on the K. I do believe the more you blend in with the area the better off you will be. Best to drive a good running beater with tinted windows and look a little poor. Best to stay on the main streets then taking chances cruising the side streets.
I feel that if you're white, Asian, or Indian and you drive a nice car on the K you're an automatic target. I have no idea why guys cruise the ave in nice work trucks / cars. As soon as a girl jumps in she's just going to assume you have money or a nice phone she can swipe. There is no need to impress these kind of girls. They don't care about that.
And pretty much assume every single girl you deal with has a boyfriend or some guy they support. On the street and online these girls team up with drug addicted unemployed guys who control them or who they're in love with. If they want to team up and rob you they will.
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Was going through the area tonight (around 2 am) and took a look around. Some decent action going on but heavy (for the time) police activity tonight. Decided tonight's not the night and headed out.
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Fishing Holes
[QUOTE=RouletteWheel;5340653]Hello fellow mongers. I've always and only visited with well reviewed escorts. But since prices have been going up I've been wanting to try my hand at SW. I'm also fairly new to this city, only been living here for a few years but never really got to know the town because of work. So problems I'm facing is:
1) When and what streets to go to.
[/QUOTE]First, glad to see someone using the boards for "how to" information. There are many knowledgeable mongers that have gone before and are glad to share their experiences as the reply posts demonstrate.
There is a thread where guys posted maps of the various strolls around the country and the authors of that thread were Philly guys so those maps are prominent. Take a look here:
Front Page > Special Interests > Amateurs > SW Stroll Maps > #6 #14 #15.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?6639-SW-Stroll-Maps/page3[/URL]
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[QUOTE=RouletteWheel;5340653]Hello fellow mongers. I've always and only visited with well reviewed escorts. But since prices have been going up I've been wanting to try my hand at SW. I'm also fairly new to this city, only been living here for a few years but never really got to know the town because of work. So problems I'm facing is:
1) When and what streets to go to.
2) how to spot an actual SW from a normal person.
3) how to approach one after spotting and what to say.
4) where to go to take care of business.
I guess I basically need a guide LOL.
But seriously, I've tried going down Kensington once and pulled up to what I thought was a SW and got cursed out at. So ever since then I never tried again. Any and all advise would help tremendously and feel free to PM me if it makes it easier. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Always, and I mean always, pay attention to your surroundings. Never get distracted enough to become a target. As others mentioned, if a girl approaches you with a dude near, assume he knows her and make sure he passes before you consider unlocking the door.
Never, ever, ever, go to a spot the girl picks and I mean never, even if you've been there before.
Never tell a girl your real name.
Never reveal anything personal at all.
Don't shit where you eat, as in, don't throw condoms or whatever out of your window in or around "your spot". Be cool, find a trash can somewhere like a store or whatever, don't subject locals to your shit. Would you like a used condom on your street?
Big head over little head. Standard advice, but no joke, hold steady and don’t deviate from this utmost important rule
If a civi or children are about, keep on moving, there will be more pussy in less comprising situations.
Always remember walkers are junkies, not anything more, they are definitely not your friend no matter how many times they've met your cock, they will fuck your day up without justification on a whim.
The slightest doubt, move on. Don’t go to jail for a bj. The other people in jail are there for much worse and it will be an extremely bad and low moment in your life
Seriously find a better use for your hard earned money, I regret the day I started as I've been going on 25 years now, spent thousands of dollars and had plenty of problems. I wouldn't wish this “hobby” upon anyone. In a way, we are the same as the druggies, only we are addicted to sex.
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These are very good tips. One of my tips is always drive a good distance from where you pick up a SW. I drive a minimum of 10 blocks or 1 mile or more. Drive on empty streets. This makes it much harder for LE to follow you without being spotted. It is also a good idea to try and find a area that you can enter from one direction only. This reduces the amount of traffic passing by.
[QUOTE=ActionMan609;5348216]Always, and I mean always, pay attention to your surroundings. Never get distracted enough to become a target. As others mentioned, if a girl approaches you with a dude near, assume he knows her and make sure he passes before you consider unlocking the door.
Never, ever, ever, go to a spot the girl picks and I mean never, even if you've been there before.
Never tell a girl your real name.
Never reveal anything personal at all.
Don't shit where you eat, as in, don't throw condoms or whatever out of your window in or around "your spot". Be cool, find a trash can somewhere like a store or whatever, don't subject locals to your shit. Would you like a used condom on your street?
Big head over little head. Standard advice, but no joke, hold steady and dont deviate from this utmost important rule
If a civi or children are about, keep on moving, there will be more pussy in less comprising situations.
Always remember walkers are junkies, not anything more, they are definitely not your friend no matter how many times they've met your cock, they will fuck your day up without justification on a whim.
The slightest doubt, move on. Dont go to jail for a bj. The other people in jail are there for much worse and it will be an extremely bad and low moment in your life
Seriously find a better use for your hard earned money, I regret the day I started as I've been going on 25 years now, spent thousands of dollars and had plenty of problems. I wouldn't wish this hobby upon anyone. In a way, we are the same as the druggies, only we are addicted to sex.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ActionMan609;5348216]Always, and I mean always, pay attention to your surroundings. Never get distracted enough to become a target. As others mentioned, if a girl approaches you with a dude near, assume he knows her and make sure he passes before you consider unlocking the door.
Never, ever, ever, go to a spot the girl picks and I mean never, even if you've been there before.
Never tell a girl your real name.
Never reveal anything personal at all.
Don't shit where you eat, as in, don't throw condoms or whatever out of your window in or around "your spot". Be cool, find a trash can somewhere like a store or whatever, don't subject locals to your shit. Would you like a used condom on your street?
Big head over little head. Standard advice, but no joke, hold steady and dont deviate from this utmost important rule
If a civi or children are about, keep on moving, there will be more pussy in less comprising situations.
Always remember walkers are junkies, not anything more, they are definitely not your friend no matter how many times they've met your cock, they will fuck your day up without justification on a whim.
The slightest doubt, move on. Dont go to jail for a bj. The other people in jail are there for much worse and it will be an extremely bad and low moment in your life
Seriously find a better use for your hard earned money, I regret the day I started as I've been going on 25 years now, spent thousands of dollars and had plenty of problems. I wouldn't wish this hobby upon anyone. In a way, we are the same as the druggies, only we are addicted to sex.[/QUOTE]That last part is 100% true.
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[QUOTE=ActionMan609;5348216]
Seriously find a better use for your hard earned money, I regret the day I started as I've been going on 25 years now, spent thousands of dollars and had plenty of problems. I wouldn't wish this hobby upon anyone. In a way, we are the same as the druggies, only we are addicted to sex.[/QUOTE]Its a lot of little things that suck people in. The risk, the taboo, thrill of the hunt, the feeling of control, the gamble on whether you hit a jackpot with half decent looking performer, the bizarre shit you encounter, the secret life / hobby, the bargains and the sex / orgasm. Many contributing factors that lead to getting hooked on the hobby.
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[QUOTE=MongerSeeker;5348268]These are very good tips. One of my tips is always drive a good distance from where you pick up a SW. I drive a minimum of 10 blocks or 1 mile or more. Drive on empty streets. This makes it much harder for LE to follow you without being spotted. It is also a good idea to try and find a area that you can enter from one direction only. This reduces the amount of traffic passing by.[/QUOTE]Everyone has what works for them! Me? I shy away from "box canyons" or one way in situations. LE comes down that one way in; you are trapped. Same thing if a local with a baseball bat (or some other kind of trouble) comes down the street. I prefer a place where there are a couple of escape routes, but that' just me. YMMV.
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LE presence
I'll be venturing up to Philly for the first time from VA Beach (where the SW action is slim to non-existent) and I'm curious to know if there's a noticeable difference between the police presence on K Ave and on Broadway in Camden. Thanks.
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Police Presence?
[QUOTE=TheManTheMyth;5351239]I'll be venturing up to Philly for the first time from VA Beach (where the SW action is slim to non-existent) and I'm curious to know if there's a noticeable difference between the police presence on K Ave and on Broadway in Camden. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Just my opinion but you are likely to see no difference, you will see Police in both locations but their primary focus is on drug dealing. Only once (I'm shamed to admit this, in 20 years) have I seen police activity aimed at your local friendly service provider. Common sense should prevail, obey the traffic laws, don't do you turns in the middle of the block, use your traffic signals when turning and don't make it obvious. As to the last point, make eye contact and then turn off the main drag and allow your provider to walk up to your car. I tend to be overly cautious so I will pass by a provider at least once to make sure there isn't a cop 30 feet up the road that I didn't see and come back on a 2nd pass to make sure it is safe.
Good luck on your hunt, I about given up on Broadway in Camden for lack of choices and K Ave has been hit and miss lately. There will be a day when the government free checks will stop and maybe then the providers will come back to the streets and make it interesting again.