"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Reaching the end I believe. The work and risk having a highly tuned SO is getting too stressful. Maybe later things will settle down but it has been a long time since I had a really rewarding SB experience. These 18 to 21 yr old college girls ironically, while considering sex as a casual exercise, are getting difficult to "nail " down complaining that they "aren't Hos" . Since I can't take them out and show them a good time I do need "Ho" -like activity. But I like the low volume version and real Pros are not that. Plus I don't want the risk of Uncle taking me down.

Got my 40+ yr old and 23 yr old in the FC but fully wrapped just doesn't do it for me. I like the reentry for rounds 2,3,and 4 and reapplying isn't feasible. The risk is not worth the reward I'm afraid. I've been chatting up a load of college girls and while initially interested flake pretty quickly when competition sets in. I did great when I could wine and dine them first, before showing them the big dog.

Age is a factor. Some of these girls say they are getting 20-30 yr olds paying them allowances. What's up with that? These boys need to be scoring free pussy, or if they are not what the heck is wrong with them? If you have to buy pussy at 30 you are in for a long haul.

[QUOTE=DanteMoravil;2434942]I started putting them into evernote, so I have their info on any device I happen to have with me and wherever I am.[/QUOTE]Nice. I'm using google sheets so it's available from wherever too.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2435513]At this point I think for me and a lot of guys, is we do want a good provider, but one that we control and maybe even have exclusively.[/QUOTE]I won't argue with that, but I sort of get the feeling that control you believe you have may be an illusion. You'd be hard pressed to convince me you have more control of the outcome with a young SB than I do with an experienced provider, but I get what you mean.

[QUOTE]To get all that is a lot of fucking work. Like a job where you get paid straight commission. Sometimes you make bank and sometimes you make nothing. And doing it married. I don't even want to think about it. (and dont have to). Props to the guys that do.[/QUOTE]Now THIS I understand. I work on commission so I understand the "eat what I catch" mentality.

Thanks for enlightening me.

FH.

Hey HWG,

Thumbs up to all your posts, info, etc. I can't seem to find your 3 steps in the thread. Could you please point me in the right direction?

Thanks!

JD.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2392505]This is my last post of the day unless I hookup with anyone but my ATF.

Another positive response to my steps messages.

"I have to admit that your honesty during this conversation has made me respect you as well as have an interest in meeting with you. When you explained your reasoning for not doing 200-300 dollar dates it really did make a lot of sense to me. I'm looking for a long term arrangement myself so I hope we do click & that it actually works out. "

Hope springs eternal. I just spoke to her on the phone and will again later tonite. She is so ready. She posted her profile about 4 or 5 months ago and says I will be the first guy she is comfortable enough with to meet.

21 light skinned mixed girl. White/Latina ? Didnt ask. A solid 8 from her pics.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2435980]
Age is a factor. Some of these girls say they are getting 20-30 yr olds paying them allowances. What's up with that? These boys need to be scoring free pussy, or if they are not what the heck is wrong with them? If you have to buy pussy at 30 you are in for a long haul.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if I agree with you here. I'm mid-30's and I could go to bars and pick up girls, but not in these volumes. On SA its almost like hot pussy home delivery. After a quick M&G I'm almost guaranteed FC the night of or on the second meet. Often there's no discussion of sugar. If there is its on another meet and I have the option to offer allowance or not. I've only met one girl that had me running to get $$ She's 22 and does flake occasionally, but she's great eye candy and is a 10 in bed.

[QUOTE=Jd2011;2436251]Hey HWG,

Thumbs up to all your posts, info, etc. I can't seem to find your 3 steps in the thread. Could you please point me in the right direction?

Thanks!

JD.[/QUOTE][URL]http://coach4ula.wix.com/fivesteps[/URL]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2435980]Reaching the end I believe. These boys need to be scoring free pussy, or if they are not what the heck is wrong with them? If you have to buy pussy at 30 you are in for a long haul.[/QUOTE]Had to laugh at the "long haul" comment. Very true. Can't believe they're paying at 30.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2436441][URL]http://coach4ula.wix.com/fivesteps[/URL][/QUOTE]Gratitude good sir.

I think its important to be able to develop ones game to the point of being able to pick up a random girl "in the wild" but circumstances should dictate whether one plays in the bowl, not age.

For example, should one wait until he is 40,50, 60, or 70? What is the right age?

If you enter the bowl too early, you may not develop the kind of skills that might make you a much better player. If you enter too late, then you might need the assistance of drugs to fully enjoy everything the bowl has to offer.

If you spend all your money and energy providing a four or five figure allowance to a SB during the prime period of your life where career and financial advancement are most likely, its possible that you damage your future earning potential (and potential to for more SBs). On the other hand, if you spend your entire life focused on career and financial advancement, and only wait to play in t he bowl until you're 60, how many missed opportunities will there be? How many regrets will you have?

We all know the cliche about the high school jock who lived his teens like a rockstar and is now selling used cars or is eating cat food in retirement. But the same holds true for the 80 year old guy who spent his whole life to the grindstone, only to end up with a 21 year old girl he can't even bed because all his equipment won't function.

To all the 20/30 something guys in the bowl, more power to you. I hope you are careful enough to be advancing your careers and investment portfolios to remain in the game for years to come. I myself am on the younger side of the group who participate in this forum. Frankly, I play in the bowl because picking up a girl at a bar is tricky because of my SO. There is a fair amount of expectation of discretion among players in the bowl, that doesn't come with meeting a lady "in the wild. ". That all being said, assuming all other things being equal, I would probably be playing in the bowl if I was single, since it is a nice way for a younger guy to supplement those evenings where the bars are empty.

Don't get me wrong though. It's difficult competing with a young guy in his 20/30 s, who makes lots of money, leases an expensive luxury car, lives in an apartment and doesnt care about building long term equity in property, doesn't care about his retirement, and has no problem dropping a four or five figure monthly allowance on a SB.

I can't tell you how many SBs I've met though that tell me horror stories of completely awkward evenings sitting through a dinner in complete silence, or of an intimate encounter that lasted a few minutes and ended with them being completely unsatisfied.

At the end of the day, more players attract more players on both sides of the aisle. That, in my opinion, is a good thing. While I won't pay a ridiculous allowance to any SB, if that she's there for, then she wouldn't have been into me anyway.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2436548]Had to laugh at the "long haul" comment. Very true. Can't believe they're paying at 30.[/QUOTE]

Iluvsmelly,

Very well stated. I would also like to add, how much coin do you spend at a bar or other gathering trying to pick up chicks? Trust me when I say this but in this day and age, I don't care what kind of game you have, most chicks are not putting out on first encounters unless really drunk. It is going to take a date or two if you are good to get the panties to come off. How much time and money is that going to cost? Time is money in my book. If you young guys can manage to pick ladies and play in the game as well, that is good. But as Smelly alluded to, if I were single I'd be playing in the bowl vice hitting the bars when most I are empty. Better to get a sure thing with a little investment rather than going home empty handed. Just saying.

BG sends.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2437299]I think its important to be able to develop ones game to the point of being able to pick up a random girl "in the wild" but circumstances should dictate whether one plays in the bowl, not age.

For example, should one wait until he is 40,50, 60, or 70? What is the right age?

If you enter the bowl too early, you may not develop the kind of skills that might make you a much better player. If you enter too late, then you might need the assistance of drugs to fully enjoy everything the bowl has to offer.

If you spend all your money and energy providing a four or five figure allowance to a SB during the prime period of your life where career and financial advancement are most likely, its possible that you damage your future earning potential (and potential to for more SBs). On the other hand, if you spend your entire life focused on career and financial advancement, and only wait to play in the bowl until you're 60, how many missed opportunities will there be? How many regrets will you have?

We all know the cliche about the high school jock who lived his teens like a rockstar and is now selling used cars or is eating cat food in retirement. But the same holds true for the 80 year old guy who spent his whole life to the grindstone, only to end up with a 21 year old girl he can't even bed because all his equipment won't function.

To all the 20/30 something guys in the bowl, more power to you. I hope you are careful enough to be advancing your careers and investment portfolios to remain in the game for years to come. I myself am on the younger side of the group who participate in this forum. Frankly, I play in the bowl because picking up a girl at a bar is tricky because of my SO. There is a fair amount of expectation of discretion among players in the bowl, that doesn't come with meeting a lady "in the wild. ". That all being said, assuming all other things being equal, I would probably be playing in the bowl if I was single, since it is a nice way for a younger guy to supplement those evenings where the bars are empty.

Don't get me wrong though. It's difficult competing with a young guy in his 20/30 s, who makes lots of money, leases an expensive luxury car, doesn't care about his retirement, and has no problem dropping a four or five figure monthly allowance on a SB.

I can't tell you how many SBs I've met though that tell me horror stories of completely awkward evenings sitting through a dinner in complete silence, or of an intimate encounter that lasted a few minutes and ended with them being completely unsatisfied.

At the end of the day, more players attract more players on both sides of the aisle. That, in my opinion, is a good thing. While I won't pay a ridiculous allowance to any SB, if that she's there for, then she wouldn't have been into me anyway.

Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlakGekko;2437320]Iluvsmelly,

Very well stated. I would also like to add, how much coin do you spend at a bar or other gathering trying to pick up chicks? Trust me when I say this but in this day and age, I don't care what kind of game you have, most chicks are not putting out on first encounters unless really drunk. It is going to take a date or two if you are good to get the panties to come off. How much time and money is that going to cost? Time is money in my book. If you young guys can manage to pick ladies and play in the game as well, that is good. But as Smelly alluded to, if I were single I'd be playing in the bowl vice hitting the bars when most I are empty. Better to get a sure thing with a little investment rather than going home empty handed. Just saying.

BG sends.[/QUOTE]We can't change the past and even if we could who knows if things would have turned out better. But if I would have been more aware of this option in my younger years I am sure I would have done things differently. It seems to me there are two kinds of game (in the FC / not in the FC). But I never got to develop my not in the FC game until my 50's. I don't drink and have no time to hang out or go places where I might meet girls. I haven't had that opportunity since I turned maybe 21. I work way too much for that. Also I am a dork. LOL. So sugaring has allowed me to get in front of hundreds of girls in a way where they are listening (for the obvious reasons) but listening all the same. The quantity and quality of girls I see now is just great. I did get some hot girls in my youth but it was hit or miss with lots of down time. So I say start at any age and enjoy.

[QUOTE=BlakGekko;2437320]Iluvsmelly,

Very well stated. I would also like to add, how much coin do you spend at a bar or other gathering trying to pick up chicks? Trust me when I say this but in this day and age, I don't care what kind of game you have, most chicks are not putting out on first encounters unless really drunk. It is going to take a date or two if you are good to get the panties to come off. [/QUOTE]I have to respectfully disagree. First, let me say that never, at any point in my game have I been guaranteed to walk into a bar or club and leave with a one night stand / instant trip to the bed. It's just not that easy, some nights at some places you don't even see anyone worth hitting on, other times you leave with three phone numbers. Sometimes you get lucky with someone you meet after the DJ calls last call and the club starts turning their lights on to run people out.

Around the early 2000's, online dating started really taking off, and ever since then hookups have been easier. It may take a bit of chatting and texting, but I've had TONS of insta-fucks from online dating, everything from run of the mill sluts to highly educated women, college students, MILFs, you name it. Most of the time it's fairly easy to get them back to my place, and once there, sex is usually a sure thing. Online dating was a godsend in this regard, because at bars a woman is usually with her friends, and she doesn't want her friends to see her leave with you or whatever.

Sure, a dinner meeting is usually best but that works both ways, I want the right to be able to cut things short if she doesn't look like her pics for example. But I've met women that insisted on picking up their share of the dinner tab before we even met, yet still went back to my place and fucked my nuts off.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2437686]I have to respectfully disagree. First, let me say that never, at any point in my game have I been guaranteed to walk into a bar or club and leave with a one night stand / instant trip to the bed. It's just not that easy, some nights at some places you don't even see anyone worth hitting on, other times you leave with three phone numbers. Sometimes you get lucky with someone you meet after the DJ calls last call and the club starts turning their lights on to run people out.

Around the early 2000's, online dating started really taking off, and ever since then hookups have been easier. It may take a bit of chatting and texting, but I've had TONS of insta-fucks from online dating, everything from run of the mill sluts to highly educated women, college students, MILFs, you name it. Most of the time it's fairly easy to get them back to my place, and once there, sex is usually a sure thing. Online dating was a godsend in this regard, because at bars a woman is usually with her friends, and she doesn't want her friends to see her leave with you or whatever.

Sure, a dinner meeting is usually best but that works both ways, I want the right to be able to cut things short if she doesn't look like her pics for example. But I've met women that insisted on picking up their share of the dinner tab before we even met, yet still went back to my place and fucked my nuts off.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of my first online hook-up. It was on yahoo free dating about 15 years ago. I messaged a girls profile (they didn't even have pics then). She messages me back saying she is a pro and I made a mistake. I told I didn't really care what she did for a living and long story short. I banged her maybe 10 times for free over the next 6 months. She was actually a sex addicted college professor by day and an occasional pro on the weekends. I even stayed at her house one weekend. Here is todays POT. A tall 20 year old willing to come to me.

As we all know, nothing in this game is ever a sure thing. Sometimes you walk away from a m&g and think your going to score, and sometimes you walk away thinking you will never hear from her again. And sometimes exactly the opposite is what happens.

With that said, the 27 y / o gorgeous redhead that wanted $250 has been a real gem. She probably has the best skills I have ever come across. I have seen her 3 times now, twice at her place. The only reason I agreed to the $250 was because she said she would host after the first time. I reasoned that the upper limit of my budget is $200, and then I would normally have to spring for a SS, which brings it pretty much to the $250. Glad I made that decision as it gets better each time I see her.

I have gone silent on my 46 y / o MILF as she started to become Nando and any time we texted it became a session of all her problems.

The 41 y / o MILF that was pretty much just looking for a fuck buddy and not any sugar has gone silent. We texted several times after the m&g and all was going good, then nothing. Oh well, NEXT!

Finally, the 29 y / o in Florida is turning out to be her replacement. A sexy looking, dirty little girl. When I was down there with the Warden, I was able to sneak out and meet her at a local watering hole for a couple of cocktails. She is primed and ready for me. And this one appears to be sugar free. She told me all about how she hates guys her age and is tired of them. Therefor, looking for an older man to take care of her sexual needs, as she stated it. Texting back and forth has been pretty incredible. I have found out her fantasies are daddy / daughter and dom / sub. And she wants to explore them both. She is always calling me Daddy now. Another 1-1/2 weeks I am going back for 2 weeks without the Warden. All indications are this is going to be a fuck fest while I am there.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2437721]Here is todays POT. A tall 20 year old willing to come to me.[/QUOTE]So after some email, then txting and finally talking on the phone she says she will be here tomorrow about 3 for a rest of the day date. She has to drive 50 miles to get here. A long way in L. A. Probably 90 minutes at least. But she is off school tomorrow and nothing to do. She accepted the $ but I am sure we will also go to dinner. This is what I really look for. A girl perfectly in my demographic. A tall spinner. Tall or short I don't really care anymore. But slender and young I do care. Turns out she is 20, 5'9" and 120. And pretty. So another at least 7/9 hopefully 8/9.