"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2431295]A few months ago, mainly because I can afford it, I paid the $k+ price to spend time with SB's that I guess most would consider a 10. My type of 10 is tall, thin, 21-mid 20's and European. Living in Las Vegas, this type is easy to find. I haven't written about them before because, frankly, I'm not as gifted at relating my experiences like some of the frequent contributors here. I met with 4 different SBs that met my type and all 4 were 5/6 in skills and below average in conversation. I understand for many Men here conversation doesn't rate but for me I like to do a dinner date with conversation and then desert in my suite. I don't blame the SBs for their mediocrity, I think they are so used to Men being so ga ga over their looks and presence that allowing penetration and swallowing should be enough. For me, I want more.

My most satisfactory dates have been my body type but more like an 8 in facial beauty. Very nice but not the "stop the room" knockout type of looks. My 8's tend to be confident about their looks but not completely relying on their beauty to carry them through the evening. I spend mid $$$ for the 8's time and affection and it seems a nice deal for both of us. I know many of you can get similar or better quality for less than what I donate, but I'm okay with what I pay and Las Vegas is such a large market I'm not worried about influencing the price index.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your post. I would love to hear more from guys that pay more and the type of girls and quality of dates they are experiencing. More as in at least $$$ or more (just for the girl) in the expectation of top shelf girls.

SA has been great for me. Haven't considered SD4 M. I'm meeting some quality college girls and my spending isn't anything too crazy. I can tell you that my main SB makes more from me than she would working a retail job or as a waitress. She's my main SB because she gets consistent sugar. I'm close to getting the GFE without all the hassle. She's my type, so I classify her as a 10 z. She's 5'9", Mixed, slim and pretty submissive yet wild in bed.

When I feel I'm getting too attached or she's not available I bring in my second string of new SB's that are okay with a nice date with no sugar or a small amount and FC. Lately, I've been running into my fare share of 30+ yr olds that only want NSA. Things are going well at the moment. I only had to renew my SA account once to pick up new inventory.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2430903]And compared to SD4M.

SA. Has way more girls.

SA. Has way more GPS girls.

SA. The GPS girls want way more than the SD4M GPS girls.

SA. Has far fewer black girls (as a percentage).

SA. The girls take way longer to respond.

SA. Overall prettier girls, college girls and career girls and real NP's.

SA. I think the overall site experience is better. But SD4M has some good features as well.

But for apprx. $50 each its still worth having them both for now.

Just an interesting FYI. As far as internet marketing goes. The SD sites are paying me far more than the many other dating sites I work for. Conclusion. The other mainstream sites are saturated and the SD world is growing. The only exception is eHarmony, especially when they are having a free weekend special.[/QUOTE]

Been awhile. I took a break from the bowl for the winter. I've been reading this thread though and wishing I had more time for it. And now I do. Back in as of last week. It's as crazy as ever. Of my winter SBs, only two are still responsive. One I'm hoping becomes responsive again, the rest I don't mind cutting loose.

I'm back in the M&G game. This week I had about 10 M&Gs scheduled, but only 5 happened. 1 canceled on me a day in advance, the rest didn't respond to my confirmation the day of.

M&G 1: 18 yr old spinner latina. Didn't seem DTF, was looking for more of a relationship. Way too nice of a girl to be on SA. She's been trying to text me a bit but I don't think anything's going to happen there. Didn't even bring up financials because I didn't think it was going to pan out.

M&G 2: 21 yr old butterface white co-ed. Think Chelsea Clinton in 2001. Way GPS. Claims her last SD gave her 600/ meet on top of a 2 k / month allowance. And she was looking for more than that. Yeah. Not so much.

For M&Gs 3-5 they were all within 30 minutes of each other. I had to juggle them a bit and had some consequences because of that. If I hadn't done so many M&Gs at this point, it would not have gone as well as it did.

M&G 3: 23 yr old hottie. This one I wasn't expecting too much from since her pictures were so so, but she wowed me in person. On top of that she was pretty chill, wasn't GPS (agreed on $$ Glad I met this one! Sadly I had to cut it short because I had a M&G down the block with.

M&G 4: 21 yr old blonde spinner. This one I was expecting to just not be real, frankly. She sent me nudes early on, sounded really kinky. Sure enough, she did not show up at our appointed time. Eventually she texted me, claimed lack of parking, I gave her some instructions, waited a bit, then gave up and went down the block to meet.

M&G 5: 21 yr old curvy brunette. This one I'd been trying to meet last summer, again before the holidays, and never connected. I had pegged her for a non-pro, and while she's clearly done this before, I didn't get that vibe in person. Really nice lips on this one, will be fun. Things started off ok, but got awkward when M&G #4 from above kept calling and texting me. #5 got weirded out in a big way. Thought maybe I was recording the conversation or something. Not sure what spooked her, but I talked her down. Then I took the next call from the pot, pretended like it was a work call, then acted like I had to run back to work with #4. I apologized profusely, and smoothed everything out. She gave me her address, we negotiated a tentative price (which I'm hoping to bring down), and then I ran back to meet #4. Only 15 minutes spent on this M&G.

M&G 4. 1: Jesus this girl was exactly like SB#2 from the summer. Very pretty, great body, very kinky, eager to get to the FC (which I had no time for). Really cool and funny, too. In bad shape financially. But GPS. At the very tail end of our conversation, I finally brought up finances. When I told her I'd had girls ask for everything from 0 to $1 k, she thought I was willing to pay $1 k and jumped right up to that number. Took some clarification to let her know that's not what I was able to give and we left it a bit awkwardly at the end as I needed to get back to my routine.

The next day I reached out to 3,4, and 5. 3 and 5 got back to me right away as I expected. 4 not too surprisingly didn't, so that may have been a waste after all. All in all: 1 very promising POT with a date setup (#3), 1 somewhat promising POT with a date setup (#5), and maybe a wildcard in play with #4.

Next week I have at least 3 M&Gs on one day. Might end up with 1 or 2 more. It will be. Interesting to say the least.

Also, I mentioned this previously, but I'm using a spreadsheet to keep track of the POTs because there's so damn many of them. If you're in my area and want to compare notes, let me know and I can share it with you.

Agreed. Make the request via email. If they respond by refusing, or fail to respond at all, just contact your cc company to challenge the charge. If you have an email showing denial of service after you made payment, most cc companies will reverse the charge.

Of course if you have an SO and don't want a letter from your cc company stating that the dispute was resolved, you can either change your settings to all online only communication with your cc company.

As for the potential AG/DA referral, I'd probably recommend against that. More so because the customer service rep who is reviewing your emails is probably an outsourced peon, who probably works for a third party contractor hired by SA that is located in Asia, or Latin America. They probably won't care and you probably don't want your message including a statement that you were trying to purchase services from a website that was engaging in activity that you yourself recognize might be considered questionable.

[QUOTE=VAJimbo;2431596]I would demand my money back! You should point out are steeling your money! You can also point out that there are no shortage of AG's / DAs out there that are more than interested in any questionable biz practices or illegal doings they specifically may be involved with!

Demand your month or your money back immediately, you could also have your credit card push them.[/QUOTE]

Why do POTS all have to message at once?

Got like four that HMU already today.

Trying to see two of them.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2432380]Agreed. Make the request via email. If they respond by refusing, or fail to respond at all, just contact your cc company to challenge the charge. If you have an email showing denial of service after you made payment, most cc companies will reverse the charge.

Of course if you have an SO and don't want a letter from your cc company stating that the dispute was resolved, you can either change your settings to all online only communication with your cc company.

As for the potential AG/DA referral, I'd probably recommend against that. More so because the customer service rep who is reviewing your emails is probably an outsourced peon, who probably works for a third party contractor hired by SA that is located in Asia, or Latin America. They probably won't care and you probably don't want your message including a statement that you were trying to purchase services from a website that was engaging in activity that you yourself recognize might be considered questionable.[/QUOTE]I already tried that, but SA is using their "no refunds" stance to screw me over. I'm disputing the charge with my CC company.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2432753]Why do POTS all have to message at once?

Got like four that HMU already today.

Trying to see two of them.[/QUOTE]So far all four of them went mia. These girls are weird sometimes. Started talking to a few others. This shit is discouraging me today.

[QUOTE=Mfp79;2432242]
Also, I mentioned this previously, but I'm using a spreadsheet to keep track of the POTs because there's so damn many of them. If you're in my area and want to compare notes, let me know and I can share it with you.[/QUOTE]I should have mentioned. I'm in the Boston area.

[QUOTE=Mfp79;2433030]I should have mentioned. I'm in the Boston area.[/QUOTE]I am in Hartford area.

Todays POTS.

Girl 1 - 19 years 4'11" 92 lbs. Traced the pic to her BP ad. But that body deserves a spin for a $. She uses the same pic on her SA profile.

Girl 2 - 18 years 5'6" 115 lbs? Non pro bi girl. Totally real. Skittish but too hot to ignore for a $. Says she is on board.

Girl 3 - is another pic of girl 2.

Girl 4 - 19 5'2" 120 lbs? Student. Says she will take the train 60 miles to me. Totally on board.

Girl 5 - 19 5'2" still an unknown at this point.

Girl 6 - 31 5'1" tiny MILF. Totally on board.

[QUOTE=Mfp79;2432242]Also, I mentioned this previously, but I'm using a spreadsheet to keep track of the POTs because there's so damn many of them. If you're in my area and want to compare notes, let me know and I can share it with you.[/QUOTE]I started putting them into evernote, so I have their info on any device I happen to have with me and wherever I am.

I've had several meet and greets, about 10 no shows. I have been to FC with 2 so far, one of those 2 I've seen every week for past several weeks. 25 yrs, long dark hair, single mom, 7's across the board. The older women I have seen in the past have a better handle on pleasing me. Probably keep for month or 2 as I look for a 8-10.

[QUOTE=AzMagic;2434093]I am in Hartford area.[/QUOTE]You must be the one flagging all my CL ads. LOL.

I am also in Hartford.

I am in awe of your system. I gave SA a shot for two months and it drove me batshit. ESPECIALLY with the pre 20 yos. I finally dumped it and started trolling other.

Venues. I came across ONE SB who is a good match for me. I couldn't manage two (with a wife, kids and 60 hr job) if my life depended on it. Of course there.

Are others but this one is my go-to fuck.

You make it look easy, but I know there has to be a lot of time and work involved. I don't have the time, so I will have to continue to read your exploits and marvel.

Because I agree. I have quite a bit of flexibility in my schedule, but this shit looks like fucking work! It just seems easier to find a provider or two I really like than to deal with all the young, impressionable chicks with daddy issues on SA.

My hat's off to you guys that have the time and patience for it all.

[QUOTE=RagTop66;2435324]I am in awe of your system. I gave SA a shot for two months and it drove me batshit. ESPECIALLY with the pre 20 yos. I finally dumped it and started trolling other.

Venues. I came across ONE SB who is a good match for me. I couldn't manage two (with a wife, kids and 60 hr job) if my life depended on it. Of course there.

Are others but this one is my go-to fuck.

You make it look easy, but I know there has to be a lot of time and work involved. I don't have the time, so I will have to continue to read your exploits and marvel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2435375]Because I agree. I have quite a bit of flexibility in my schedule, but this shit looks like fucking work! It just seems easier to find a provider or two I really like than to deal with all the young, impressionable chicks with daddy issues on SA.

My hat's off to you guys that have the time and patience for it all.[/QUOTE]I think the guys here (me for sure) must like all the mind games or why would we do it? I would say my biggest problem would be in having a so called normal relationship or a good provider. Neither one can really work. At this point I think for me and a lot of guys, is we do want a good provider, but one that we control and maybe even have exclusively. And role play thats not really playin. To get all that is a lot of fucking work. Like a job where you get paid straight commission. Sometimes you make bank and sometimes you make nothing. And doing it married. I dont even want to think about it. (and dont have to). Props to the guys that do.