"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2429697]How the heck you managed to keep finding girls like this.

Kudos to you Sir.[/QUOTE]This girl is on SA. Mostly I only search for 18-20. And then all the black and mixed girls 18-27 that identify as slim or athletic. I burned through all the old profiles on SA. Now I can only hit up the new profiles. I still do it on day one as many drop off within the first week. Also I don't discriminate based on their looks. Some GPS looking girls aren't. Some average looking girls turn out to be hot in person. This one just hit my search. And says money isn't her only motivation. Also I tuned up the 5 steps recently. Minor changes I made based on feedback I received. Minor but relevant.

Hi guys, newbie here, amazed / inspired / motivated at what I'm reading in this thread! I live in another part of the US. I got on the SD4 3 day trial and was immediately buried with obvious scam emails.

I can delete those easily enough, but I also sent out over 30 emails to real-looking profiles, using some of the templates suggested here. I got one response, and most of my emails I see, were still not even opened after a day or 2. It seems like a ghost town to me.

BTW, no way I'd give a real CC# to that site, given the horror stories you can read online about trying to cancel! Luckily my bank can generate a single-use CC# with spending & time limits.

So I used a CC# with a $1 limit & to sign up for the 3 day trial. Then I only pay for a monthly if I choose to. Not automatically. Highly suggest this technique for all your online pursuits.

So comrades,

What morons actually give a girl money before even meeting the girl?

There are plenty of sap stories out there, many could use money right away.

I always say "I want to help you, but we need to meet first".

I ran into a situation this week. I was working this girl over text, she asked for some help before having met, I gave her my standard answer, some moron gave her the money without meeting her, and she cut me off.

All that work wasted.

Seriously, who gives a girl money without having met them before?

Wow!

I was texting with a "married but looking" lady, hott. Hottt. Hotttt.

She tells me she is doing a 73-year old man, who is giving her some serious allowance.

73 years? Holly. I got instant respect for that unknown man.

I almost asked her to give me his number, so I can tell him he is g-o-d, doing this at 73.

The lady was begging me to make her an offer because she is "so tired of the senior citizen day", but she was greedy asking for $500 per meet. No woman is worth that in my opinion, I am much lower. I offered to have an affair with her (a short stint) at a lower rate but it was a no go.

So, while I told her bye, I still respected the 73-year old for being able to hit that.

Wow.

I can only wish that I make it o that age and can still get it up.

Holly smokes!

[QUOTE=CopperFool;2428935]I have see a few posts on the subject of marriage on here lately. So I thought I would put my two cents in.

You work hard, take care of your family. Your loving wife decides she no longer likes you. So now you have to give her half to 2/3's your income, till she gets married again.[/QUOTE]Agreed, because, 'judge, she stopped rubbing my balls one morning circa 2006 so I found someone that did' doesn't go over well with the courts in America.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2429722]This girl is on SA. Mostly I only search for 18-20. And then all the black and mixed girls 18-27 that identify as slim or athletic. I burned through all the old profiles on SA. Now I can only hit up the new profiles. I still do it on day one as many drop off within the first week. Also I don't discriminate based on their looks. Some GPS looking girls aren't. Some average looking girls turn out to be hot in person. This one just hit my search. And says money isn't her only motivation. Also I tuned up the 5 steps recently. Minor changes I made based on feedback I received. Minor but relevant.[/QUOTE]Totally agree that one can burn through profiles on SA and the new ones drop off like flies. I think the game on there might be to create a new profile every 3 months and 'act' like a new SD with some, but not a lot of, experience. And FWIW, I love the 5 steps. It's working so thank you.

I have a reg SB thanks to this blog and one I text a lot. The reg is dirty and fun but doesn't ask for anything, and because of that I happily help when I see her. The text one owns a business, she doesn't ask for anything because she is too busy (and knows she is too busy to be a reg), but when we get together, she just wants someone to pay for a nice dinner and drinks and reciprocates by buying a round.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2430066]I was texting with a "married but looking" lady, hott. Hottt. Hotttt.

She tells me she is doing a 73-year old man, who is giving her some serious allowance.

73 years? Holly. I got instant respect for that unknown man.

I almost asked her to give me his number, so I can tell him he is g-o-d, doing this at 73.

The lady was begging me to make her an offer because she is "so tired of the senior citizen day", but she was greedy asking for $500 per meet. No woman is worth that in my opinion, I am much lower. I offered to have an affair with her (a short stint) at a lower rate but it was a no go.

So, while I told her bye, I still respected the 73-year old for being able to hit that.

Wow.

I can only wish that I make it o that age and can still get it up.

Holly smokes![/QUOTE]It just goes to show that many hot girls will do what it takes to score the bucks and earn bragging rights with their Homies. Everyone has a price, it just might not be yours.

New SB, had M&G a week ago. 24/ Mixed / Petite. Body /7 Face /6 Sex /2. Profile pics looked awesome. In person realized the pics were before child birth. Personally, I prefer women that haven't had children. No discussion about sugar. She texts me early in the am, we chat a bit and she's on her way to my place. She was just a dead lay. Like a motionless sex doll. The oral was skillful, but overall substandard experience. I came in like 2 minutes and couldn't get her to leave. Terrible experience. I need to go with my first mind on these things. My logic used to be that you can't have filet mignon all the time, sometimes a bologna sandwich can be filling and delicious too. In this case the bologna sandwich was f&ing disgusting.

Made up for it with another SB later that evening. Took her to five star restaurant and then FC at a hotel. No discussion on sugar. Sex was awesome, lasted several hours. 22/ M / Petite. Body /8, face 8, sex /8. This girls a winner. We drank so much I forgot to compensate her for her time.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2430463]

Made up for it with another SB later that evening. Took her to five star restaurant and then FC at a hotel. No discussion on sugar. Sex was awesome, lasted several hours. 22/ M / Petite. Body /8, face 8, sex /8. This girls a winner. We drank so much I forgot to compensate her for her time.[/QUOTE]Good rebound!

A few things I've noticed about SA.

If you sign up and leave a new account alone for long enough, you will be offerered a discount. Not that $20 will make a difference to anyone but I'd rather add give extra sugar to a SB I like than to a money making corporation.

If you sign up and leave your account alone long enough, SA will increase the visibility of your profile. Presumably if you get enough messages telling you that lots of women have viewed your profile and or those women send you a message, it will help push you to sign up.

A few months back I created a new profile in anticipation of tearing down my old profile and starting a new one. I decided to renew my old account though because I had lingering messages from six or seven new pots that I wanted to follow up on. In the interim, the new profile I had created was sitting fallow.

In the span of just three months, that profile accumulated 90 messages and over 300 views. SA offered a discount to upgrade that profile to premium.

Overall I haven't needed to renew my account for the past few months since I've had existing babies to play with and a pretty full real life schedule with work, real life stuff, etc.

If and when I do decide to renew though, I will probably dump my old profile and use the new one.

Long story short, for a discount on the SA subscription fee, just create multiple new accounts and "activate" them once you're offered the discount. You'll also benefit from the websites decision to promote that profile in an attempt to get you to sign up, since there may very well be a few leads already waiting for you when you "activate" that profile.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2430644]A few things I've noticed about SA.[/QUOTE]And compared to SD4M.

SA. Has way more girls.

SA. Has way more GPS girls.

SA. The GPS girls want way more than the SD4M GPS girls.

SA. Has far fewer black girls (as a percentage).

SA. The girls take way longer to respond.

SA. Overall prettier girls, college girls and career girls and real NP's.

SA. I think the overall site experience is better. But SD4M has some good features as well.

But for apprx. $50 each its still worth having them both for now.

Just an interesting FYI. As far as internet marketing goes. The SD sites are paying me far more than the many other dating sites I work for. Conclusion. The other mainstream sites are saturated and the SD world is growing. The only exception is eHarmony, especially when they are having a free weekend special.

"Per meeting you'd give me $300-$600 depending on the pictures you submit to me : )
Let me know when we can start. ".

At those prices I am sure she would start at 3 am on a sunday nite if she had to. And its kind of an insulting answer to someone that might be new in the bowl.

My pics are worth a $ maybe $$ for a true 10 (this girl was maybe an 8/9). Although I have yet to offer $$ to any girl since I went on a budget a few years ago. I am still eating (literally) the low hanging fruit. Which in some ways diminishes the sweetness. And in some ways enhances it. realistically I do have to make some compromises.

In the auction world I have seen rich guys pay insane prices for things and also buy everything in sight, and they do seem to get some small satisfaction out of it. But I have also seen average guys bide their time to find a hidden gem when no one was looking and still be marveling over it years later. If I could afford to I would bid higher knowing that some of those $$ and maybe even $$$ bids would bring untold value. And especially so if there was nothing at $ worth bidding on (because I am not going to go without).

But as long as there is a bigger supply than my current demand I am just gonna keep on doing what I do. Which is to shoot for the 7/9's (face/body) in looks and keep the ones that are 9/10's in the skills dept. Because I would rather have to fantasize that a girl is prettier looking than have to pray I was gonna cum good in the end.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2431241]"Per meeting you'd give me $300-$600 depending on the pictures you submit to me : )
Let me know when we can start. ".

At those prices I am sure she would start at 3 am on a sunday nite if she had to. And its kind of an insulting answer to someone that might be new in the bowl.

My pics are worth a $ maybe $$ for a true 10 (this girl was maybe an 8/9). Although I have yet to offer $$ to any girl since I went on a budget a few years ago. I am still eating (literally) the low hanging fruit. Which in some ways diminishes the sweetness. And in some ways enhances it. realistically I do have to make some compromises.

In the auction world I have seen rich guys pay insane prices for things and also buy everything in sight, and they do seem to get some small satisfaction out of it. But I have also seen average guys bide their time to find a hidden gem when no one was looking and still be marveling over it years later. If I could afford to I would bid higher knowing that some of those $$ and maybe even $$$ bids would bring untold value. And especially so if there was nothing at $ worth bidding on (because I am not going to go without).

But as long as there is a bigger supply than my current demand I am just gonna keep on doing what I do. Which is to shoot for the 7/9's in looks and keep the 9/10's in skills. Because I would rather have to fantasize that a girl is better looking than have to pray I was gonna cum good in the end.[/QUOTE]A few months ago, mainly because I can afford it, I paid the $k+ price to spend time with SB's that I guess most would consider a 10. My type of 10 is tall, thin, 21-mid 20's and European. Living in Las Vegas, this type is easy to find. I haven't written about them before because, frankly, I'm not as gifted at relating my experiences like some of the frequent contributors here. I met with 4 different SBs that met my type and all 4 were 5/6 in skills and below average in conversation. I understand for many Men here conversation doesn't rate but for me I like to do a dinner date with conversation and then desert in my suite. I don't blame the SBs for their mediocrity, I think they are so used to Men being so ga ga over their looks and presence that allowing penetration and swallowing should be enough. For me, I want more.

My most satisfactory dates have been my body type but more like an 8 in facial beauty. Very nice but not the "stop the room" knockout type of looks. My 8's tend to be confident about their looks but not completely relying on their beauty to carry them through the evening. I spend mid $$$ for the 8's time and affection and it seems a nice deal for both of us. I know many of you can get similar or better quality for less than what I donate, but I'm okay with what I pay and Las Vegas is such a large market I'm not worried about influencing the price index.

I would demand my money back! You should point out are steeling your money! You can also point out that there are no shortage of AG's / DAs out there that are more than interested in any questionable biz practices or illegal doings they specifically may be involved with!

Demand your month or your money back immediately, you could also have your credit card push them.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2426110]Well, I will no longer recommend SA. I had just signed up for another month when out of the blue my account was suspended and apparently deleted. When I contacted customer support to find out what was going on, they tried to tell me that I was using my account for commercial purposes and they had proof of it in my message outbox. When I denied any such thing, they simply replied that my account was gone for good. I've been on that site for over 2 years, have paid for a month of premium membership on several occasions, even paid to have my background verified. For them to just pull the plug completely on my account for ridiculous reasons is customer service at its worst. I didn't even have 24 hours of access this time around when they suspended and deleted me. So I basically paid 70 for them to kick me off the site. Terrible, terrible way to run things.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VAJimbo;2431596]I would demand my money back! You should point out are steeling your money! You can also point out that there are no shortage of AG's / DAs out there that are more than interested in any questionable biz practices or illegal doings they specifically may be involved with!

Demand your month or your money back immediately, you could also have your credit card push them.[/QUOTE]Working with your CC provider is always the way out of any bad or fraudulent transaction, especially online. Try to always use the phrase "the product or service was not as described". Although, with the I will assume thousands of dollars used on any card in a month, a small transaction would be refunded with practically no discussion at all or even automatically online (such as at bank of america). With Paypal always use the quoted phrase exactly. All merchants expect a certain amount of chargebacks and will not contest it with the processor. At this time the onus is on the merchant in the processing world. As far as getting a new account at SA or anywhere else. You may find that just resigning up with a new card and email address gets you back on.