Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Stripper Luv; 1299446]Mismanagement at TDs West.

General Manager Mark and shift boss Bucket (what kind of name is that?) seem to be overhauling the talent at TDs West. Recently they hired a bunch of new drama-queen, drug-snorting, scamming dancers (the kind no other club would hire) while firing the true talent. Seeing the established dancers make money, the new dancers are doing their best to get rid of them by any means possible. The new dancers, none with any redeeming social value, are causing all sorts of trouble with the long-established dancers by feeding Bucket (especially) , Eddie, Keith, and Mark all sorts of untrue stories about those who have been there a long time and are making money. It's causing all sorts of unrest among the dancers while the management turns a blind eye. The management's response to all this is to fire the good dancers—those that don't cause any grief—so that the new "criminal element" can take over.

I've tried some of the new dancers. Other than being opportunistic, they are fucking any and all customers they can entice into the VIP—condoms don't matter. If you're taking advantage of the situation, be careful. All the ones I tried had a bad attitude. Turn them down and they'll give you lip. They will argue with you about everything. None of them can count dances and will rip you off. They're telling me how they're going to get so-and-so fired. One of them was snorting coke off my thigh.

It's as if management hired a pack of she-wolf bitches with no regard for the customer. The sad news is that management isn't interested in supporting the long-established dancers who have been good to them by bringing in the good customers.

Expect trouble at TDs West as dancers cause more problems then management can cope with. Management is clueless who is acting in their best interests and is willing to kick to the curb those that are not the ones causing trouble. Makes me wonder if TDs management is purposely cruising for a Candy Store-type situation and the subsequent downfall. One word: mismanagement.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely correct. I probably won't be going there for a while.

Because of the troubles at TDs West (see my report below) , I visited TDs East today. I was there all of 30 minutes and saw a dancer giving a customer a blow job, another dancer giving a customer a hand job, and yet another dancer DFK another customer. All of this took place on the dance floor, not in the VIP. I saw a dancer fed up with it all go running out of the place with manager Michelle running after her begging her not to quit. All in a days work, I guess.

Hello, to you all. BIG favor for the group. They are having a BIG fund raiser for Johnny, the bouncer that used to worked at Tds West, but recently passed away. It will be at Td's west tomorrow between 12pm and 3pm. There will be some hot dancers and waitresses that will washing cars, trucks, and semi-trucks. Yes, I said semi-trucks. There were a few of them today. I forgot to post it. Please stop in. They will be accepting donations. The average was 10-20 dollars today. Much appreciated. Thanks for reading. Wax on. Wax off.

So I decided about that I'm going to try and do a couple post in massage, strip and escort forms. Plus a couple SW encounters. I've had some great times at the strip clubs. Got a small taste of CS, nothing worth writing about. And I've had one previous dancer at curves give me the best BJ ever. If anyone has the looks or game to hook up with a dancer named betty from curves well let me just say do anything you can. Loves to be a dirty girl outside of the clubs.

To start off best new fave dancer is Vegas from curves (I'm a curves man by the way) slow, sensual and likes ferrying to know regs, nothing HE wise, just a great girl. If you haven't tried yet get a dance from isis, or couldn't, do it. Isis is the fucking best. She speaks the language of money so take your chances. I've done fiv, roaming and when she's had a drink or to open menu. The last for now is a brunette with a great body. I mean 11 out of 10. Can't remember her name for the life of me. Just that she has an all time great ass and wants to be a good dancer.

Don't confuse with the brunette with a killer bod that has the gray / blue eyes.

Stopped there around 4, my first visit since the makeover. I will say the club looks great, but nothing to look at. So Damn bright in their. Wanted to vent about a dancer who sat on my lap and tried to up sell her leather couch dances. She gave me a 10min break down of all her specials that included discounts on multiply dances, but she had too many I couldn't keep up and basically said thanks but no thanks.

Went there at night during a weekday. Had dances with two girls Trinity (white) and Platinum (Puerto Rican). Both with nice curves and asses. I inquired about "extra" services in the VIP room and both of the girls mentioned that those days are gone and all the girls are being watched by the manager. I am not sure if they are telling the truth or giving me the the run around. So that I will spend more dances on the couch or whatever.

I see posts from senior members that they get "lucky" with the girls and how do you break the ice guys. Share the wealth so that we will also get enlightened. LOL

Venom & Curves.
The night before my Tucson business trip read up on clubs. Venom with its remodel sounded interesting (previously Spellbound and then Candy Store) and liked the idea from one report of the buffet. Including my favorite popcorn. But some reviews indicated dancers set their own pricing and all the complex choice were described as "made me dizzy."

When arrived I thought it was closed with the huge fenced in parking lot etc. But I decided to park in the So shopping center lot and walk around the construction and see for sure if closed. I had missed the earlier entrance that was open into the club area.

Nice newer looking clean club. No initial outer area but nice guy sitting at bar checks you out. No cover asked for. Was about 5PM on Thursday. TV screens all over but didn't make it too bright but about right. I hate clubs so dark can hardly see dancers but better for dance privacy.

Club seemed very friendly, good mix of dancers from a bit to large for me to some more my type (more slender, smaller natural breasts). My timing was probably wrong since no popcorn that I could see but no cover charge either. I was on my way back to Phoenix and also wanted to spend some time at Curves so didn't want to stay too long. I would up with dances from the two I found most attractive. No pressure to buy any drinks.

Jasslynne
Smaller very sexy body asked if could sit in my lap. Very nice body in lap and friendly. Did 3 very nice $10 dances with only limit as said they watch carefully and can't touch breasts. Ok with me, although my favorite to do is nice breast massage and great response I often get. But I don't push it and enjoy with that limit. Said dances were only $7 but bet most guys round to $10. Seemed flat fee not based on negotiations. I prefer flat fees and have bunch of folded $10's in left pocket and $20's in right so don't have to go dig in wallet after dances.

Lezette.
I had been eying her as she was mostly sitting around in back area. Liked her face and smile. Besides rest of body! Was glad when she approached me, although just quickly asked if want a dance vs any attempt to chat first etc. But dances very nice, After I think just had 2 $10 dances, left but in a few minutes came back and asked if she could join me in chair next to me. Held hands and had a very good intelligent conversation about many things.

Nice club could spend more time here if I lived in Tucson. Now on to Curves.

Curves.

Heading back to Phoenix had read interesting reviews of Curves and I was heading back to freeway on Grant so close by. Someone at Venom I visited first talked about how bad Curves was with nasty gals etc. I was also expecting more gals that tilt forward from the weight of big man made breasts etc vs the smaller natural breasts I prefer.

I was delighted to find mostly attractive dancers as well as the many servers which at times seemed to be more drink gals than dancers working the floor. This was about 6:30 PM Thursday 10/27. No pressure to buy any drinks. Have zero interest in drinks or stage dancing but honest intimate high touch human mutual interaction but nothing directly sexual.

Looking around almost all the guys were getting air dances basically with their hand at their sides so at first I thought this would not be of any interest to me. However with my kind of interactive touch had no problem with dancers I was with and as always varying degree of the kind of intimacy interaction I enjoy (see my Phoenix reviews for more ideas what I like).

I didn't like that when you walk in the door a guy guides you to where to sit. Basically I then moved to where I preferred with no issue. Since I have zero interest in gawking at stage dancers prefer further back etc. Overall atmosphere seemed very friendly and its a good size, clean nicely laid out club. Had printed out the online coupon which is exactly the same as Bandaid in Phoenix- same gal and wording just different name. Owner also owns Highlighter and at least one other Phoenix club, forget which.

Towl or Tara
Thought said name towel or towl but later on stage announcer said Tara, so assume hear name wrong above the noise they call music. Tall really nice personality, ideal soft skin I like and she mentioned on nice by soft hands felt on her body (often get that comment). She pointed out her "small" hands. Nice two $10 dances. About a 3 on my 0-5 intimacy scale with 5 being very rare

McKinsey
Since asked my background (CPA) she mentioned taking accounting at college but boring. Nice body but less on intimacy, only did I $10 dance.

Scarlet
Nice smile. Nice contact and body but more wild then intimate.

Cassidy.
Friendly talked about Phoenix clubs and knows Hailey who I enjoy at Bandaid in Phoenix. She use to work at Cheetah's in Phoenix. One $10 dance only about 2 on my intimacy scale.

Blossom
Very tall nice body, one enjoyable $10 dance but seemed sad and not that intimate.

If I lived in Tucson I would probably spend more time here as well as at Venom, although not quite as good contact as some Phoenix clubs but nicer physically than some. Some reports say gals too aggressive going after you for dances but old Dave didn't have that problem. Long spells of no approaches which I wanted but prefer the sit in lap after "Can I join you" vs coming up from behind "want to dance". Typical mix of both like at most clubs.

Background
First time back to Tucson in about 2 years. I use to be more active in Tucson and even had a Tucson phone years ago. But wasting so much time going there and the CPA that was referring clients to me sadly died surfing in Hawaii quite a few years ago.

In the past I never liked any of the Tucson clubs since as most know I have zero interest in stage dancing or drinks, but enjoy the quality interactive contact with women as real people not just sex objects. I gave up on Phoenix clubs for about 10 years after the law changed that I fought against at City Council, talk radio etc. Then I fell in love with the Ontario Canada strip clubs with full nude contact, no high VIP room prices and no legal issues.

For the last year or so there is been little or no enforcement of the illegal to even hug basically law in Phoenix and some clubs are more like those in Canada, although still not as nice and depends on club and dancers. I always fear enforcement will return of guys try and take it too far. Obviously should not be anything sexual but I enjoy great intimate touch human interaction that we need more of in our culture and enjoy the great response I often get from dancers.

Heading for Tucson I did some fast research on review sites and limited my interest to two clubs, Curves and Venom. My meeting was on the extreme West side of Tucson so both of these clubs sort of on my way back to Phoenix although had do go a bit South to Venom. Was going to skip it since Curves directly on my return route (Grant near freeway) but my GPS showed that Venom was actually closer when I checked it. So went to both clubs.

Was there today at around 3 pm. After patiently waiting for a dancer, the one whom I had come to visit, for about half an hour for her to finish her dances for a total cheapskate, I thought that she would come to me. The monger, description in previous sentence, kind of cornered her into a conversation. She had already suggested to me that she would come to me, but this guy kept chatting her up for 10 more dances. Jesus Christ! Dude! If you want her company let her dance for you and pay her for her time. Don't chat her up after you are done with your money, you loser! Let her go, she is not your psychiatrist!

This left me soo annoyed that I left. Damn man! Sucked!

To all mongerers don't do that, it's frustrating!

[QUOTE=Tucson Player;1308321]but this guy kept chatting her up for 10 more dances. Jesus Christ! Dude! If you want her company let her dance for you and pay her for her time. Don't chat her up after you are done with your money, you loser! Let her go, she is not your psychiatrist! This left me soo annoyed that I left. Damn man! Sucked! To all mongerers don't do that, it's frustrating![/QUOTE]I doubt dancers get stuck like this unless they want to. They can simply leave after dances.

I have had this happen many times in Phoenix as dancers say its so rare to meet someone that can carry on an intelligent conversation and will spend time with me without doing dances. I am not being cheap I am interacting with a dancer as a human that sometimes wants company also and need a break from just being someone's sex object or being with players.

[QUOTE=DavePHX; 1308554]I doubt dancers get stuck like this unless they want to. They can simply leave after dances.

I have had this happen many times in Phoenix as dancers say its so rare to meet someone that can carry on an intelligent conversation and will spend time with me without doing dances. I am not being cheap I am interacting with a dancer as a human that sometimes wants company also and need a break from just being someone's sex object or being with players.[/QUOTE]I doubt that Dancers want to have meaningful conversations with Hobbyists in the club. Their main job is to make money as it is their livelihood. It could be that they take breaks between dances for a few minutes. I am guilty of enticing them (sometimes) that there is lot more for them. This could be more dances and sometimes the Dancers want to make "friends" with you. Afterall they are humanbeings with same shit we go through.

When a beautiful girl WANTS to sit and talk with me with no financial obligation in a strip club, I am thinking with my pecker and my brain is in total hybernation. So, I apologize in advance for any infraction where my pecker is in total control. LOL

[QUOTE=DavePHX; 1308554]I doubt dancers get stuck like this unless they want to. They can simply leave after dances.

I have had this happen many times in Phoenix as dancers say its so rare to meet someone that can carry on an intelligent conversation and will spend time with me without doing dances. I am not being cheap I am interacting with a dancer as a human that sometimes wants company also and need a break from just being someone's sex object or being with players.[/QUOTE]I understand what you are saying, you spend your money, you have nice conversation, the problem was that she had indicated to this guy that she was coming to me, but he kinda insisted that she sit there. It looked funny. Also dancers don't want to piss off clientele so mongerers might think that they are having a good nice conversation but it is just that a dancer is being polite.

Anyhow, water under the bridge, I will go see her again today.

My 2 cents. If you want a dancer to come to you, there are two great scenerios. One, tip her when she goes on stage and ler her know that youy want some dances. Secondly, tip a waitress to wisper in her ear that you are waiting for her. But the best is motion to her that you are heading into the VIP or Champagne room, and she will sure follow. We all know that "money" is their number 1 priority. And maybe the two of them were discussing take out. Or maybe he was paying her for her time and you didn't see the exchange. Or maybe it was a sugar daddy. We go to strip clubs for a million different reasons. You may have just been upset because your little head was getting SUPER impatient. I've been so impatient at times that I begin to talk to myself in my head (the larger of the two) as I sit waiting so IMpatiently. I forgot this one: You could also tip the waitress to take a napkin to the dj booth to CALL her to go to the dj booth. And then she can read the note that says that you've been waiting for her. But if you do this, then VIP or Champage room is a must. Sorry: I had too much time on my hands this morning. Hopefully my suggestions helped in some way. Enjoy the fun in our local clubs. Enjoy them while they last.

[QUOTE=CuteAndCoo;1308768]My 2 cents. If you want a dancer to come to you, there are two great scenerios. One, tip her when she goes on stage and ler her know that youy want some dances. Secondly, tip a waitress to wisper in her ear that you are waiting for her. But the best is motion to her that you are heading into the VIP or Champagne room, and she will sure follow. We all know that "money" is their number 1 priority. And maybe the two of them were discussing take out. Or maybe he was paying her for her time and you didn't see the exchange. Or maybe it was a sugar daddy. We go to strip clubs for a million different reasons. You may have just been upset because your little head was getting SUPER impatient. I've been so impatient at times that I begin to talk to myself in my head (the larger of the two) as I sit waiting so IMpatiently. I forgot this one: You could also tip the waitress to take a napkin to the dj booth to CALL her to go to the dj booth. And then she can read the note that says that you've been waiting for her. But if you do this, then VIP or Champage room is a must. Sorry: I had too much time on my hands this morning. Hopefully my suggestions helped in some way. Enjoy the fun in our local clubs. Enjoy them while they last.[/QUOTE]I was thinking with my little head! Will use these tricks the next time.

Thanks!

There is an absolutely gorgeous 20 year old dancer at one of the clubs and when I had private dances with her, she did not even let me touch her. Absolutely no hands. But she was hot. So I kept going once every two weeks or so and had 4 to 6 dances and after 4 or 5 visits, she let me use my hands sparingly.

Finally few weeks back, I had freedom to roam her body (but no FOV or FIV).

Finally last week, she even LFK and FOV / FOB and gave me her digits so that I can find out if she working that day. BTW, she said she will kill me (I hope not) if I mention this to anyone or even suggest that she gave me the number. I started a conversation (texting) to see if she wants to meet me outside for some hanky panky. She finally said yes and she dropped the bomb. She wants $5. 0, yes five Benjamin's. And she wants me to book a 3 star hotel. Obviously no Motel 6. And she swears that she has never done this even though pretty one everyone asks for her digits to see her outside. Supposedly she is not that type of girl. I cannot imaging dancers refuse to make quick $ outside.

The quandary is $, but she is my dream come true (almost). I cannot imagine any provider charging that kind of dough. Instead of saying no, what would be a good way to negotiate a longer service and more services (hehe). Any of you guys came across a situation and how to go ahead or gracefully get out of this. Obviously, I would like to go see her at the Strip joint even if I decide not to meet her in a motel.

[QUOTE=Kamma32;1309848]The quandary is $, but she is my dream come true (almost). I cannot imagine any provider charging that kind of dough.[/QUOTE]This is quite common in Phoenix with these kind of quoted fees. They think they are goddesses since everyone is lusting after their bodies. Some escorts get $1000 / hour but of course have fewer available customers but that is ok they only have to work 5th the time vs $200 which is more typical.

The escort rates in the USA are often the highest in the world since we have the legal risks that does not exist in most of the world

[QUOTE=Kamma32;1309848]The quandary is $, but she is my dream come true (almost). I cannot imagine any provider charging that kind of dough. Instead of saying no, what would be a good way to negotiate a longer service and more services (hehe). Any of you guys came across a situation and how to go ahead or gracefully get out of this. Obviously, I would like to go see her at the Strip joint even if I decide not to meet her in a motel.[/QUOTE]This happens to me fairly regularly. I'm fairly certain that sometimes the dancer is stringing me along to get me to spend money on her in the club,"So she can get to know me better". When push comes to shove, she quotes me a ridiculous rate to avoid having to let on she never was intending to meet outside the club. I am sure this isn't always the case though. I suppose the thinking is, if you can make a few hundred dancing, you should make more if you're going to be doing more.

On the occasions where a dancer has quoted me outrageous (in my mind) fees, I've simply said,"That about x times more than I was expecting." Some have said,"Oh well." and moved on. Others have dropped their prices significantly. Maybe not during that conversation but on subsequent visits. I've had outcall from knockout dancers for less than what I've paid so so dancers in the VIP at CS.

Another thing I'd like to say is, I couldn't imagine paying that kind of money for an escort unless I was making significantly more money or had hit the lottery. There are quite a few very attractive and very pleasing providers that you can have for $-$$. I haven't seen many of the top of the line providers in Tucson because it doesn't make sense to me on a cost analysis basis. And to be honest, I don't know if a girl is going to do it for me just because she is a knock out. Sometimes it is quite the opposite.

That being said, I wouldn't completely rule it out either. If you decide to pay her $$$$$, I wouldn't fault you for it. You know how much you make and how much $$$$$ is to you. You know how attractive this girl is to you. She's danced for you so you know more about how she moves, smells, speaks, than if you were seeing an escort for the first time. It might sound trite but good memories can be made with some of these women. I think that is worth something.

[QUOTE=Kamma32;1309848]The quandary is $, but she is my dream come true (almost). I cannot imagine any provider charging that kind of dough. Instead of saying no, what would be a good way to negotiate a longer service and more services (hehe). Any of you guys came across a situation and how to go ahead or gracefully get out of this. Obviously, I would like to go see her at the Strip joint even if I decide not to meet her in a motel.[/QUOTE]A little quick math shows you've already spent what she's asking on dances alone. You said she's almost a dream come true. Would it be worth it to you to seal the deal? DH gave some good advice. You can simply say it was a little more than you were expecting. She may come down a bit or she may not. In either case, she's not likely to turn you down for more dances in the club.

Try the "rocking chair test." Pretend you are in your twilight years and sitting on your front porch in your rocking chair looking back on your life. Say you decided not to go through with it. Would you regret not knowing what might have been?

I say GO FOR IT, with no regrets. If I found someone that I thought was worth the price to me I would do it. But, a good point that was mentioned is it fits in your budget and if it's truly worth it to you. In this case, it sounds like you would do what it takes to make it happen. So ake it happen. And let us know how it went. Better yet, give us her name and number after you're all done. Hahha. Play safe. Be safe.

How much of a dream is she? A useful thought for making these decisions: "Money spent on (fill in the blank) is an investment in life. You can't remember what you didn't do. How important is this to make this investment in your life?"

Gents,

Appreciate all the input from you guys from posts and PM's. The takeout for me is. If Alexia charges $.8 and Morgan charges $$.75, and both are 9 or 10 both for looks and performance, it would be criminal to pay double for my "dream date". I would pay her $$$ and anything more would be insulting to honest girls who keep us hobbyists happy.

So, I decided to politely refuse the offer, but go see her occasionally at the strip joint to see how she reacts and maybe make a new offer as suggested by DH.

As mentioned in my 10/18 report (#2327) , the management at TDs West is suffering from a lack of common sense—to be charitable about it. They continue to hire the criminal element to be dancers. Lots more reports of dancers ripping off customers. In one case I recognized two S. Sixth Avenue streetwalkers working there.

Heard about an incident in the back room where two dancers, Ecstasy and Lola, turned out the lights and jumped Jennifer. —one of the nice dancers who makes money. Ecstasy is the girlfriend of shift manager Bucket. With connections like that, neither girl was fired and both continue to work there. Perhaps they are on probation. If they are, then why are they firing dancers who aren't doing anything bad like that and who actually are professionals about their career? Stupid dipshit.

There's still drug dealing going on in the dressing room. The pills and weed and powder are flowing. I saw one dancer make a deal on the dance floor with an older black guy who gave her a couple of blunts. I saw one dancer talk to a dealer on the couch next to me, then he walked out of the club while she sat on the couch. In a couple minutes he came back and handed her a bag of powder. She went into the dressing room and came out and gave him some money. The whole thing was blatantly obvious and recognizable.

I already mentioned in my previous post about a dancer snorting her coke off my thigh in the VIP.

The bad attitudes continue. Watch out for Crystal. She'll rip you off then complain to the management that you were the one ripping her off if you press the issue. Arguing about it only gets you banned from the club. What a be*h.

TDs continues to dump the good dancers and hire the criminals. It's become Thugville and is heading for trouble. The only thing to save the club will be cleaning house of certain managers, including the dimwitted Bucket. I hope Mark is paying attention.

I was reading a comment by a member here, and I believe he was either emplying, or stating that these two lovely ladies that I've always heared great things about, are dancers? Please PM me letting me know where these two work. I would so love to be entertained by one, or both, it would be Heaven. I used to think that Angelina from TD'S west was Alexia. But Angelina has implants, amongst other surgeries. Please please let me know. Thanks. Be safe. Play safe.

[QUOTE=Stripper Luv; 1311672]As mentioned in my 10/18 report (#2327) , the management at TDs West is suffering from a lack of common sense—to be charitable about it. They continue to hire the criminal element to be dancers. Lots more reports of dancers ripping off customers. In one case I recognized two S. Sixth Avenue streetwalkers working there.

Heard about an incident in the back room where two dancers, Ecstasy and Lola, turned out the lights and jumped Jennifer. —one of the nice dancers who makes money. Ecstasy is the girlfriend of shift manager Bucket. With connections like that, neither girl was fired and both continue to work there. Perhaps they are on probation. If they are, then why are they firing dancers who aren't doing anything bad like that and who actually are professionals about their career? Stupid dipshit.

There's still drug dealing going on in the dressing room. The pills and weed and powder are flowing. I saw one dancer make a deal on the dance floor with an older black guy who gave her a couple of blunts. I saw one dancer talk to a dealer on the couch next to me, then he walked out of the club while she sat on the couch. In a couple minutes he came back and handed her a bag of powder. She went into the dressing room and came out and gave him some money. The whole thing was blatantly obvious and recognizable.

I already mentioned in my previous post about a dancer snorting her coke off my thigh in the VIP.

The bad attitudes continue. Watch out for Crystal. She'll rip you off then complain to the management that you were the one ripping her off if you press the issue. Arguing about it only gets you banned from the club. What a be*h.

TDs continues to dump the good dancers and hire the criminals. It's become Thugville and is heading for trouble. The only thing to save the club will be cleaning house of certain managers, including the dimwitted Bucket. I hope Mark is paying attention.[/QUOTE]I went there with friends last week. There were more strippers than customers. I have never seen so many ugly women in a strip joint. I had private dances with one of the good looking girls who mentioned that most of the guys sitting at the bar are regulars and rarely go for dances. She said she is trying to switch clubs and most of the pretty girls are in the same boat as they are not able to make money. There were two ugly dancers who had BO and repeatedly coming to ask us for dances. Not only we didn't want them but they keep coming and siting on our laps. So we left and went to Curves. BTW, Curves was rocking and the girls there emptied our pockets. Its all good though.

[QUOTE=Stripper Luv; 1311672]As mentioned in my 10/18 report (#2327) , the management at TDs West is suffering from a lack of common sense—to be charitable about it. They continue to hire the criminal element to be dancers. Lots more reports of dancers ripping off customers. In one case I recognized two S. Sixth Avenue streetwalkers working there.

The bad attitudes continue. Watch out for Crystal. She'll rip you off then complain to the management that you were the one ripping her off if you press the issue. Arguing about it only gets you banned from the club. What a be*h.

TDs continues to dump the good dancers and hire the criminals. It's become Thugville and is heading for trouble. The only thing to save the club will be cleaning house of certain managers, including the dimwitted Bucket. I hope Mark is paying attention.[/QUOTE]There must be something (or someone) special there for you. To be honest, after what happened in your post on 6-23:

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4191-Strip-Club-Reports&p=1221748&viewfull=1#post1221748[/url]

And now this, I don't think they would have to ban me from the club. I would never go back.

[QUOTE=Stripper Luv; 1311672]The bad attitudes continue. Watch out for Crystal. She'll rip you off then complain to the management that you were the one ripping her off if you press the issue. Arguing about it only gets you banned from the club. What a be*h.

TDs continues to dump the good dancers and hire the criminals. It's become Thugville and is heading for trouble. The only thing to save the club will be cleaning house of certain managers, including the dimwitted Bucket. I hope Mark is paying attention.[/QUOTE]Is Crystal a little white girl probaly like 5'3, and her other name she uses is Lyric?

WorldMonger: that sounds like her.

Da_Hunter: yeah, there's a certain magical dancer that keeps me coming back. But not as often as I used to. The place has become a dump-one step above November's, IMHO. But every time I go back I see the drugs, prostitution, and rip-offs right out in the open. And every time I go back, it's a little worse than the last time.

The girls they've hired lately are one step below trailer park trash. They're freekin' criminals. Forewarned is forearmed.

The management is dumber than a tree stump by allowing it to happen.

[QUOTE=Stripper Luv; 1312221]WorldMonger: that sounds like her.

Da_Hunter: yeah, there's a certain magical dancer that keeps me coming back. But not as often as I used to. The place has become a dump-one step above November's, IMHO. But every time I go back I see the drugs, prostitution, and rip-offs right out in the open. And every time I go back, it's a little worse than the last time.

The girls they've hired lately are one step below trailer park trash. They're freekin' criminals. Forewarned is forearmed.

The management is dumber than a tree stump by allowing it to happen.[/QUOTE]If its the same one your talking about I have seen her before a few times outside the club. I met her through a friend that ripped her off LOL. He told her he was taking her out of the club and give her about 180 for her time and only ended up giving her like 50 LOL. I saw her that same night and gave her 60 for BBBJ and she did alright. I saw her a few more times after that for 60 each session for BBBJ, CFS. She thought she was all that and more LOL which she wasn't even close, I just kept her cause I was broke around that time and I needed a cheap regular. She then would text me randomly if I wanted a session and I kept saying no cause I really wasn't in the mood for her and she eventully stopped texting me. I saw her once at wests and said Hi to her but I didn't get any dances from her so I wouldn't know how she acts there. So if I see her at the club if I go back to wests I'll try to ignore her since I'll probably won't pay her to dance for me since she is ripping off people.

My experiences at Tucson clubs. I am sure DH and other senior members are more subtle and get more out of girls than I do.

I tend to stick to only one girl in a particular club. I go in, soak in the scene for a while (sometimes a long while) and hook up with a girl that gets me excited. I get private dances with this girl and go back for couple of times (different days). So far all the girls tend to give their digits to me during the 3rd visit or so. Of the three girls I am working on in three different clubs, two are willing to go out for more kinky stuff. You know about the one who wants $$$$$. I gave a pause to that one. Can't see what is worth $$$$$.

I saw the second girl outside in a decent motel for about 1. 5 hours and paid $$.5. We did DFK, DATY. 69, BBBJ, CIM and actually into belly. And MSOG. I inquired to see if this can be discreetly posted so that she can get clients and she said no f__king way. She claims that she has never done this. It is hard to believe IMHO. She hinted that if I go to the club once a week and get inside private dances with her, I can go to her place (yes her place) and do the deed and doesn't have to pay as she is not a wh__e. She likes intimacy and wants me to be a special friend to satisfy her needs. Hmm. I don't fancy myself to be Van Diesel or some hunk. I think I am average and not sure why she wants to see me as a special friend with no strings attached. After all she is a business woman who needs to make a living.

I am not sure what to say. I don't want stuff for free and do not want a clingy girl. She doesn't seem to be either one. I am wondering if I can give her presents and the question is what kind of presents and how often. You can only find few useful stuff and I like to see her once a week if possible. That ends up to be a lot of presents. This is a problem albeit a good problem.

DH and other senior members. How do you handle this situation. Thanks in advance.

BTW, the third dancer texts me whenever she is working. I am also pursuing her albeit at a slower pace due to high activity with the second dancer. And I am almost broke due to the hobby. LOL

Dude, she named her price. Visit her once a week and get dances. That was her stipulation. Take it. To try and pay her outside of that when she rejected it is retarded. Like literally retarded. Strippers and hookers man, give them an inch and they will take a mile. Don't try to be the 'nice guy' itll burn you and make you a poor man. She named her price. Don't try and pay more, you ever go to the care dealership and say 'no, I want to pay more than what you've offered'. And don't get personal or attached. Like I said, it will make you a poor man.

[QUOTE=Kamma32; 1315318]My experiences at Tucson clubs. I am sure DH and other senior members are more subtle and get more out of girls than I do.

I tend to stick to only one girl in a particular club. I go in, soak in the scene for a while (sometimes a long while) and hook up with a girl that gets me excited. I get private dances with this girl and go back for couple of times (different days). So far all the girls tend to give their digits to me during the 3rd visit or so. Of the three girls I am working on in three different clubs, two are willing to go out for more kinky stuff. You know about the one who wants $$$$$. I gave a pause to that one. Can't see what is worth $$$$$.

I saw the second girl outside in a decent motel for about 1. 5 hours and paid $$.5. We did DFK, DATY. 69, BBBJ, CIM and actually into belly. And MSOG. I inquired to see if this can be discreetly posted so that she can get clients and she said no f__king way. She claims that she has never done this. It is hard to believe IMHO. She hinted that if I go to the club once a week and get inside private dances with her, I can go to her place (yes her place) and do the deed and doesn't have to pay as she is not a wh__e. She likes intimacy and wants me to be a special friend to satisfy her needs. Hmm. I don't fancy myself to be Van Diesel or some hunk. I think I am average and not sure why she wants to see me as a special friend with no strings attached. After all she is a business woman who needs to make a living.

I am not sure what to say. I don't want stuff for free and do not want a clingy girl. She doesn't seem to be either one. I am wondering if I can give her presents and the question is what kind of presents and how often. You can only find few useful stuff and I like to see her once a week if possible. That ends up to be a lot of presents. This is a problem albeit a good problem.

DH and other senior members. How do you handle this situation. Thanks in advance.

BTW, the third dancer texts me whenever she is working. I am also pursuing her albeit at a slower pace due to high activity with the second dancer. And I am almost broke due to the hobby. LOL[/QUOTE]

I had some time to kill before an appointment at TD's East yesterday, so I thought I would check out Venom. I hadn't been there since it changed its name and decor from Spellbound. Spellbound was pretty dreadful, so I had very low expectations.

The renovation has given the place a much classier feel, but it was mostly the same dancers that were there as Spellbound, no surprise. One pleasant surprise was that Frenchy is back from living in San Diego. She is here four days a week, Thursday through Sunday, until she sells her Tucson house, then she will go back to San Diego full-time. So, you need to get over there soon if you want a nostalgic session with Frenchy.

All in all, Venom has too many dancers built like offensive tackles.

TD's East had a pretty attractive stable of dancers yesterday.

Does anyone know whatever became of Whisper, who used to work at CS and RR? She was of mixed-race descent, with long dark hair, and big breasts? I haven't seen her for a while, and expect she left town. I asked Frenchy about Whisper, and she said she thought she went up to Phoenix. Anybody see her up there? Any lead on Whisper would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Kamma32; 1315318]My experiences at Tucson clubs. I am sure DH and other senior members are more subtle and get more out of girls than I do.

I tend to stick to only one girl in a particular club. I go in, soak in the scene for a while (sometimes a long while) and hook up with a girl that gets me excited. I get private dances with this girl and go back for couple of times (different days). So far all the girls tend to give their digits to me during the 3rd visit or so. Of the three girls I am working on in three different clubs, two are willing to go out for more kinky stuff. You know about the one who wants $$$$$. I gave a pause to that one. Can't see what is worth $$$$$.

I saw the second girl outside in a decent motel for about 1. 5 hours and paid $$.5. We did DFK, DATY. 69, BBBJ, CIM and actually into belly. And MSOG. I inquired to see if this can be discreetly posted so that she can get clients and she said no f__king way. She claims that she has never done this. It is hard to believe IMHO. She hinted that if I go to the club once a week and get inside private dances with her, I can go to her place (yes her place) and do the deed and doesn't have to pay as she is not a wh__e. She likes intimacy and wants me to be a special friend to satisfy her needs. Hmm. I don't fancy myself to be Van Diesel or some hunk. I think I am average and not sure why she wants to see me as a special friend with no strings attached. After all she is a business woman who needs to make a living.

I am not sure what to say. I don't want stuff for free and do not want a clingy girl. She doesn't seem to be either one. I am wondering if I can give her presents and the question is what kind of presents and how often. You can only find few useful stuff and I like to see her once a week if possible. That ends up to be a lot of presents. This is a problem albeit a good problem.

DH and other senior members. How do you handle this situation. Thanks in advance.

BTW, the third dancer texts me whenever she is working. I am also pursuing her albeit at a slower pace due to high activity with the second dancer. And I am almost broke due to the hobby. LOL[/QUOTE]Don't know what your situation is. With me, I'm not dating anyone so being seen in public isn't an issue. So I usually just take 'them to the mall or where we'll hang out and maybe do a little shopping. I never know what to buy so I let her decide. When I do take a girl out hitting a store isn't usually in the game plan. Kinda happens on it's own. I usually wind up getting shoes, clothes 'and stuff. At times smoking accessories but that depends what side of town we're on. In all the years I've been seeing club / call girls I've never given any of them jewlery. Although if I were gifting for a fems' attention that's probably what I'd shop for. One gave me a braclet once but it wasn't worth much. Maybe if you like her just give her something you wear. Like a bracelet or something. Have her wear it as an ancklet maybe? It's worked for me.

Been going to local clubs and tend to stick to only one honey. But lately got daring and started approaching other beauties and was surprised when the second honey offered to go out and have "fun" after midnight. She needs to be working till midnight to dance on the floor. I decided to go after quality rather than quantity and have to work harder to find the girl to fit my needs as the saying "to each his own".

I broached on her (the second honey's) advances and she mentioned that since I am steady with the first honey and the first honey mentioned to the second honey (her close friend) and I am stamped a "cool guy". As usual I am having problems closing the deal. I. E. To find out how much, how long and what services. By reading the comments from DH and other seniors, I know that my skill are still limited in closing the deal, but I am working on it.

In spite of having to spend money upfront with girls in clubs, the great fact is. You can see how a girls looks, how she behaves, how she smells, how she turns you on etc. I think this is a better way to find girls than BP, IMHO. All the honeys keep mentioning each visit not to share their digits or hanky panky outside the clubs as their reputations take a tumble and will lose their jobs. My honest reasoning is they want me to feel special or they really are discreet and selective on who they offer the services. Either way this is going to be my way to find new talent in the desert.

Went to vegas this weekened so was reading there forums and ran across this liquid lapdance, guess its pretty new to the scene, trying to spread the word, I have not experienced it yet, but have thought about it. Apparently some girls at vegas stripclubs would offer this to the guy for $20.

[QUOTE=Desparado2;1318602]Went to vegas this weekened so was reading there forums and ran across this liquid lapdance, guess its pretty new to the scene, trying to spread the word, I have not experienced it yet, but have thought about it. Apparently some girls at vegas stripclubs would offer this to the guy for $20.[/QUOTE]If you are trying to spread the word, what is it? I could imagine you get a dance, cop too many feels and the girl dumps your drink in your lap? That would cost about $20 with the drink prices these days. 10 for her and 10 for the drink.

[QUOTE=Scarab;1319037]If you are trying to spread the word, what is it? I could imagine you get a dance, cop too many feels and the girl dumps your drink in your lap? That would cost about $20 with the drink prices these days. 10 for her and 10 for the drink.[/QUOTE]They are lube / cum friendly underwear to put in under your pants when getting dances.

Does anyone know when / if Julia from the former Candy Store is coming back? If you were a regular in the VIP during the day a few years ago, you should know who she is. Any help is appreciated.

Being a CS regular and partaking in every club behavior known to man, I have been purposely absent from all clubs since the famed CS closed and left us with nothing but fond memories.

Not sure why, but I decided to try a club again tonight. I chose the boat. Keep in mind it has been well over a year since my last evdeavor and I was not expecting much since it was a Saturday night. (my best experiences were always weekdays right after opening at 11:00am).

Well, to my surpirse. I still have it! At least I like to think so. While I was simply enjoying a cold one, a cute little blonde asked to sit on my lap. I couldn't say no. A few songs later, off to the VIP. Dang. Where did these booths come from? Last time I was there they didn't exist. Things started slow and routine. Little did this cutie know that I know all the tricks in the books. And she bit. Big time. She couldn't help herself. DFK was amazing. I could have done it for hours. But at. 20 a song. Time to move on. When it was over, we were both satisfied and I left asking myself, why did I stay away for so long?

[QUOTE=Atdapoint;1321339]Does anyone know when / if Julia from the former Candy Store is coming back? If you were a regular in the VIP during the day a few years ago, you should know who she is. Any help is appreciated.[/QUOTE]If we are talking about the "Peruvian Goddess" with like 5 kids and a body which didn't show it, I would think she is too wild for Venom or whatever they are calling the place nowadays. I think she made most of her money in the VIP. From what I've heard (I haven't visited there in a long time) the VIP is pretty tame under the new management. It could be that the motto "loose lips sink ships" is in effect and people in the know are keeping it on the DL. Julia was always good for me in the VIP but when I tried takeout I think she quoted my like $350. Wasn't happening. I've tried the numbers she gave me months ago and they were both not working (at one time they were). I think she went by Julia. Forgive me if I am getting my dancers confused. I don't hit the clubs enough to be an expert but I haven't seen her anywhere.

[QUOTE=Da_Hunter;1321361]If we are talking about the "Peruvian Goddess" with like 5 kids and a body which didn't show it, I would think she is too wild for Venom or whatever they are calling the place nowadays. I think she made most of her money in the VIP. From what I've heard (I haven't visited there in a long time) the VIP is pretty tame under the new management. It could be that the motto "loose lips sink ships" is in effect and people in the know are keeping it on the DL. Julia was always good for me in the VIP but when I tried takeout I think she quoted my like $350. Wasn't happening. I've tried the numbers she gave me months ago and they were both not working (at one time they were). I think she went by Julia. Forgive me if I am getting my dancers confused. I don't hit the clubs enough to be an expert but I haven't seen her anywhere.[/QUOTE]Julia got pregnant (her second). She's got a "benefactor" that's keeping her so she hasn't been back to the profession since giving birth. Not likely we'll see her again.

DH and Stripper Luv, much thanks to you gents for the update. Yes, that is definitely her. My last contact with her was last October and she mentioned something about a boyfriend who threatened to have her deported even though she is very much a US citizen. I'm pretty sure she is doing well somewhere. She was one of the smarter ones in my opinion. Much like the CS, it was too good to last I suppose.