The Woodshed

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3468533]...until you mentioned it! Yep, self review![/QUOTE]The qv part was hilarious, get an "A" for effort.

[QUOTE=Mbx5184;3468467]Well this review doesn't reek of BS at all. Doesn't sound like the provider wrote it one bit. Good try though.[/QUOTE]I should mention also that another senior member has had some text conversations with this providers husband. Yes you won't be speaking to hear. The social media links him but he is single so I'm guessing he's pimping this chick out or something. They are flighty at best and only "occasionally" do this. If you text he will own up to being her guy and not her. Anyways for what that info is worth.

[QUOTE=Mbx5184;3468740]I should mention also that another senior member has had some text conversations with this providers husband. Yes you won't be speaking to hear. The social media links him but he is single so I'm guessing he's pimping this chick out or something. They are flighty at best and only "occasionally" do this. If you text he will own up to being her guy and not her. Anyways for what that info is worth.[/QUOTE]There is a clear link to his FB where he is a realtor. How stupid is this guy! Guess you can't sell a house without the Ho! LOL.

[QUOTE=Mbx5184;3468467]Well this review doesn't reek of BS at all. Doesn't sound like the provider wrote it one bit. Good try though.[/QUOTE]I am not as astute as many of you. Why do you believe this is a self review? WTB904 has multiple post that go back some time and has reviewed a number of ladies. What tipped you off? Just courious.

JLDUB.

WN and MBX. You guys are exactly right! Nail on the head how could possibly fool you guys LOL. Your loss my gain. Period. Don't need to explain myself you guys and go see for yourself but I guess since you are the SM here, you know better my mistake. Sorry. Like I said if you have the cojones to go see her then you won't be disappointed. I've posted nothing but reviews on providers and this is my first non. All you SM post some BS all the time just to get that "status". You guys are too funny. But what do I know, this is just a self review! Lmao.

Quebec and LukeCage really! And you 2 "senior member" pm me about other providers!? Lmao. I guess this is a self review too. You guys make senior members status seem like a joke. Let's not forget why we're on this forum / board. To help one another find pussy. Just cause I post a review on a provider automatically a self review! WTF is that. Look I got nothing to gain from that. If you're too pussy to go and see for yourself then I can't help you! Like I said my gain and your loss if you don't believe me on this one. I'll gladly be a regular of hers so long as she's still providing. At least I TOFTT! I don't know what the deal is with the guy but when I saw her I didn't see him around until after I left I saw a guy standing outside a door adjacent to the room somewhat smoking a cig. Could it have been him? Possibly, but there was no interruptions in my dream from him is all I'm saying.

So I guess she was a self review too! Lmao you guys are too funny. This is why I don't post a lot. I guess I'll keep my "self reviews" to myself. Oh well. Guess I'll start posting non review BS stuff as well so I can be a senior member just like you guys.

Fine with me if you guys don't dream of her! LOL fawk it take it or leave it. Like I said before your loss is my gain. Lmao oops self review again. All I know is I'm on the inside looking out now. Sucks for you guys that don't believe me but what do I know this is just a self review right. I already knew I was going to catch some flack when I reviewed her but hey you senior members can figure it out on your own. I'll be gladly hitting that while you guys are on the fence waiting to make the jump LOL. I already did for you guys and now it's a self review. Crazy how that works.

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;3468977]Fine with me if you guys don't dream of her! LOL fawk it take it or leave it. Like I said before your loss is my gain. Lmao oops self review again. All I know is I'm on the inside looking out now. Sucks for you guys that don't believe me but what do I know this is just a self review right. I already knew I was going to catch some flack when I reviewed her but hey you senior members can figure it out on your own. I'll be gladly hitting that while you guys are on the fence waiting to make the jump LOL. I already did for you guys and now it's a self review. Crazy how that works.[/QUOTE]Awfully defensive are we? I just have some slightly first hand info on the subject. I was turned away her first night because she was done unless I could get here in 5 minutes. My guess is the dude is a monger himself and met her and talked her into doing it for whatever reason. Your probably that guy but I could be wrong. Senior status isn't that important here but such a "glowing" review and how it was worded is odd is all. It raises flags to those of us who have been on here a while. I myself in my early days am guilty of allowing a girl to "help" write a review of herself whilst we sat drinking on my couch. It doesn't go over well here. It's easily noticed. And at a 100 a qv she better be porn star quality. Maybe I'm way off base and maybe not.

[QUOTE=Mbx5184;3469140]Awfully defensive are we? I just have some slightly first hand info on the subject. I was turned away her first night because she was done unless I could get here in 5 minutes. My guess is the dude is a monger himself and met her and talked her into doing it for whatever reason. Your probably that guy but I could be wrong. Senior status isn't that important here but such a "glowing" review and how it was worded is odd is all. It raises flags to those of us who have been on here a while. I myself in my early days am guilty of allowing a girl to "help" write a review of herself whilst we sat drinking on my couch. It doesn't go over well here. It's easily noticed. And at a 100 a qv she better be porn star quality. Maybe I'm way off base and maybe not.[/QUOTE]OK. #1 Just because I respond to a post its "defensive". #2 You are wrong and I'm not that guy, sorry you got turned around for whatever reason maybe you caught her at a bad time obviously since she wanted you to be there in 5! Also I don't see how it was a "glowing" review, to each his own. I merely said she was 100% real and sexy as fawk. Didn't know posting real pics was a red flag. Listen, if you think I wasn't nervous as fuck going to see her then you're wrong! Like you guys always say to new members, TOFTT! LOL and that's exactly what I did. As far as 100 QV, I'll gladly donate my $ not yours to someone who is legit and clean any day! Compared to all this other trash on BP, sure it's easy to go ahead and tell yourself she's not real, I sure as hell did. And this "porn star" quality you speak of, you're looking in the wrong place for that man. Your tastes and my tastes are totally different, plain and simple. All I can say is if you like her look then enjoy, if not then I'm sorry. Perfect example I went to go see Sabina over at mandarin who you guys wrote this "glowing" review on. And she was just ok to me! Not everyone here is going to like what you like. Isn't that why we always say YMMV in our posts / reviews? Also I've never been with a pornstar so I don't know what quality you're looking for! You have to go see for yourself. I would try again to see her if you've already passed her "screening" process by sending a pic of your junk, LOL. I don't know what else to say. I know others here trust my reviews and you don't have to and that's fine. I only did a QV just to confirm what's there obviously and she is all there. You guys can take it for what it's worth. I'm good.

Look at this guys other posts.

He sure does have a stable of numerous perfect providers. All in 21 posts.

Huh.

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;3468949]Quebec and LukeCage really! And you 2 "senior member" pm me about other providers!? Lmao. I guess this is a self review too. You guys make senior members status seem like a joke. Let's not forget why we're on this forum / board. To help one another find pussy. Just cause I post a review on a provider automatically a self review! WTF is that. Look I got nothing to gain from that. If you're too pussy to go and see for yourself then I can't help you! Like I said my gain and your loss if you don't believe me on this one. I'll gladly be a regular of hers so long as she's still providing. At least I TOFTT! I don't know what the deal is with the guy but when I saw her I didn't see him around until after I left I saw a guy standing outside a door adjacent to the room somewhat smoking a cig. Could it have been him? Possibly, but there was no interruptions in my dream from him is all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FloridaBiker;3469280]Look at this guys other posts.

He sure does have a stable of numerous perfect providers. All in 21 posts.

Huh.[/QUOTE]Thanks Florida! Make you wonder why I'm scratching my head. Oh well. Do yourself a favor and enjoy Roxi my man.

[QUOTE=JlDub;3468789]I am not as astute as many of you. Why do you believe this is a self review? WTB904 has multiple post that go back some time and has reviewed a number of ladies. What tipped you off? Just courious.

JLDUB.[/QUOTE]I agree. Or he has an entire stable of girls LOL. His reviews are all quite positive but then I too tend to focus on the good. And he's been around for months.

Honestly forgot about the woodshed forum as I never would've thought I'd be in here "defending" myself! As for you SM who called me out. In the words of Drake "Thank Me Later"! It's you guys that give SM status a bad rap, it's funny because I've learned from you SM's on how to approach certain things to get to the end goal before I even ask for information or how do you all say "a handout". I guess all that knowledge has gone to your head. But I'll be one of those who stay grounded FYI.

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;3468949]Quebec and LukeCage really! And you 2 "senior member" pm me about other providers!? Lmao. I guess this is a self review too. You guys make senior members status seem like a joke. Let's not forget why we're on this forum / board. To help one another find pussy. Just cause I post a review on a provider automatically a self review! WTF is that. Look I got nothing to gain from that. If you're too pussy to go and see for yourself then I can't help you! Like I said my gain and your loss if you don't believe me on this one. I'll gladly be a regular of hers so long as she's still providing. At least I TOFTT! I don't know what the deal is with the guy but when I saw her I didn't see him around until after I left I saw a guy standing outside a door adjacent to the room somewhat smoking a cig. Could it have been him? Possibly, but there was no interruptions in my dream from him is all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]Where did I say that this was a self review? I said her hubby must be stupid, and then you get all crazy!

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;3469338]Honestly forgot about the woodshed forum as I never would've thought I'd be in here "defending" myself! As for you SM who called me out. In the words of Drake "Thank Me Later"! It's you guys that give SM status a bad rap, it's funny because I've learned from you SM's on how to approach certain things to get to the end goal before I even ask for information or how do you all say "a handout". I guess all that knowledge has gone to your head. But I'll be one of those who stay grounded FYI.[/QUOTE]Oldie but goodie, enjoy!

[QUOTE=RedTalon;3469664]Oldie but goodie, enjoy![/QUOTE]No point in arguing, brings out trolls and I see enough of those navigating BP.

A very wise man recently reminded me of something I had forgotten.

"Don't feed the trolls" !

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;3469338]Honestly forgot about the woodshed forum as I never would've thought I'd be in here "defending" myself! As for you SM who called me out. In the words of Drake "Thank Me Later"! It's you guys that give SM status a bad rap, it's funny because I've learned from you SM's on how to approach certain things to get to the end goal before I even ask for information or how do you all say "a handout". I guess all that knowledge has gone to your head. But I'll be one of those who stay grounded FYI.[/QUOTE]Somehow when I read your review it sounded like a provider trying to drum up biz or toot her own horn. It wasn't until someone asked us why would we say your reviews weren't solid since you have several good posts that I realized that I should have did that first. One reason I didn't is because this week has been pretty rough and for some reason it seemed like you only had one review (pressing week!) Anyway I went back to look at some of your reviews and it does show you've contributed well. I guess what kind of got me was when you started talking about how you're going to pay 120 and you didn't care what anyone thought. This is the part that made me think it was a provider trying to get us to pay her rates. At any rate, again, my apologies to ya and thanks for contributing.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3470957]Somehow when I read your review it sounded like a provider trying to drum up biz or toot her own horn. It wasn't until someone asked us why would we say your reviews weren't solid since you have several good posts that I realized that I should have did that first. One reason I didn't is because this week has been pretty rough and for some reason it seemed like you only had one review (pressing week!) Anyway I went back to look at some of your reviews and it does show you've contributed well. I guess what kind of got me was when you started talking about how you're going to pay 120 and you didn't care what anyone thought. This is the part that made me think it was a provider trying to get us to pay her rates. At any rate, again, my apologies to ya and thanks for contributing.[/QUOTE]My bad, much apologies. The qv thing just threw me but can't question what another man does with his ends.

Well all I got to say is you guys better not be clogging up her phone and keeping me from seeing her again! LOL, jk. But seriously. Honestly got me feeling some type of way about posting reviews on certain providers from now on, LOL. I guess I'll have to start my own UTR list for myself. Sheesh. And the qv donation dibacle, one would understand that it's my $ and my choice. But what sealed it for me was like I said. She was exactly 100% the girl in the pics and she was clean woman. At least when I saw her, so that's why we say YMMV right? Your dream might differ from mine. Anyways enjoy and be safe. We good. I already plan to see her this week when I get paid! LOL.

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;3471631]Well all I got to say is you guys better not be clogging up her phone and keeping me from seeing her again! LOL, jk. But seriously. Honestly got me feeling some type of way about posting reviews on certain providers from now on, LOL. I guess I'll have to start my own UTR list for myself. Sheesh. And the qv donation dibacle, one would understand that it's my $ and my choice. But what sealed it for me was like I said. She was exactly 100% the girl in the pics and she was clean woman. At least when I saw her, so that's why we say YMMV right? Your dream might differ from mine. Anyways enjoy and be safe. We good. I already plan to see her this week when I get paid! LOL.[/QUOTE]This reply is yet another commercial for Roxy.

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;3471631]Well all I got to say is you guys better not be clogging up her phone and keeping me from seeing her again! LOL, jk. But seriously. Honestly got me feeling some type of way about posting reviews on certain providers from now on, LOL. I guess I'll have to start my own UTR list for myself. Sheesh. And the qv donation dibacle, one would understand that it's my $ and my choice. But what sealed it for me was like I said. She was exactly 100% the girl in the pics and she was clean woman. At least when I saw her, so that's why we say YMMV right? Your dream might differ from mine. Anyways enjoy and be safe. We good. I already plan to see her this week when I get paid! LOL.[/QUOTE]Whatever a man wants to spend on snatch is totally up to him. As long as I'm not the one footing the bill, it's nothing to me. If I do donate that amount, believe it, she has to be well worth it. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, most of the girls I've encountered are barely worth 60. I know some can command more but personally because I cannot justify spending too much on snatch, I prefer to just limit myself.

Just for laughs.

[QUOTE=Milkma;3474981]Just for laughs.[/QUOTE]That must be ugly ass Darla? LOL.

You know, I generally could care less what a man pays for coochie because it's his money not mine. So when you read my disbelief or comment about what someone paid a provider, just know I'm not telling you how to spend your money. However the exorbitant rates I read about are really adversely impacting the market. I cannot tell you how many times I'm being told by no good providers that they want 100-150 for a qv. I mean, the frequency of this happening is ever increasing. This is where the problem actually lies. As you go along paying these girls such outlandish fees, you are messing up the market! I can see if most of the reviews or comments about said providers were favorable but most of the reviews I read on here are to the contrary. How many times do you read about nightmares and such. You read "I won't repeat", "I'd only repeat in a pinch" and the list goes on. This happens more often than not. I can understand paying for quality but honestly guys, can you really say you are paying for better quality these days? It is really getting ridiculous. These hookers might not be pricing themselves out of the market but they're damn sure pricing me out of the hobby! The thing is I make a pretty decent living but I refuse to pay for phucked up services!

Many of them don't want to offer QVs these days like they use to- I use QVs to determine if I'd like to spend more time later; to see if chemistry is right. I guess their thinking is why do a QV when I can get paid for a 30 minute visit but only work for 15 minutes or less! How many times have I read about guys paying for an hour or even 30 minutes and the ho wants you done in 5 minutes! You see, these girls look at the average time it takes most clients to finish. There are some pretty fast finishers out there! LOL But if your behind isn't done in 5 minutes, like other minute men, the ho says the gig is up! They feel like they can get away with such rubbish and guess what? They do! Anyway, getting off the soapbox. Again just remember, while it is your money to spend however way you please, know that you're phucking up the market! One last example though, I've read in the massage section how some guys go into these parlors and pay the entry fee of 80-100 then give the girl about 150-200! Then I read how different ones complain about such practices because, hey, again, you're phucking up the market. I'll leave these thoughts with you!

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]You know, I generally could care less what a man pays for coochie because it's his money not mine. So when you read my disbelief or comment about what someone paid a provider, just know I'm not telling you how to spend your money. However the exorbitant rates I read about are really adversely impacting the market. I cannot tell you how many times I'm being told by no good providers that they want 100-150 for a qv. I mean, the frequency of this happening is ever increasing. This is where the problem actually lies. As you go along paying these girls such outlandish fees, you are messing up the market! I can see if most of the reviews or comments about said providers were favorable but most of the reviews I read on here are to the contrary. How many times do you read about nightmares and such. You read "I won't repeat", "I'd only repeat in a pinch" and the list goes on. This happens more often than not. I can understand paying for quality but honestly guys, can you really say you are paying for better quality these days? It is really getting ridiculous.

Many of them don't want to offer QVs these days like they use to. I guess their thinking is why do a QV when I can get paid for a 30 minute visit but only work for 15 minutes or less! How many times have I read about guys paying for an hour or even 30 minutes and the ho wants you done in 5 minutes! You see, these girls look at the average time it takes most clients to finish. There are some pretty fast finishers out there! LOL But if your behind isn't done in 5 minutes, like other minute men, the ho says the gig is up! They feel like they can get away with such rubbish and guess what? They do! Anyway, getting off the soapbox. Again just remember, while it is your money to spend however way you please, know that you're phucking up the market! One last example though, I've read in the massage section how some guys go into these parlors and pay the entry fee of 80-100 then give the girl about 150-200! Then I read how different ones complain about such practices because, hey, again, you're phucking up the market. I'll leave these thoughts with you![/QUOTE]Play more and pay less is my motto. I contacted a newbie on BP a few days ago. She told me she was only doing car visits right now. She asked for 80. I nicely said that's more than I normally pay and she told me stop being cheap. I told her I'm sure she will have other callers who say the same. She said she had plenty that will pay what she ask. She should have no problem having a room than. I'm not going to pay that. She was decent looking spinner but not all that. These hookers rates should match their looks. Even the 5 and below scaled providers want 2 bens an hour.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]You know, I generally could care less what a man pays for coochie because it's his money not mine. So when you read my disbelief or comment about what someone paid a provider, just know I'm not telling you how to spend your money. However the exorbitant rates I read about are really adversely impacting the market. I cannot tell you how many times I'm being told by no good providers that they want 100-150 for a qv. I mean, the frequency of this happening is ever increasing. This is where the problem actually lies. As you go along paying these girls such outlandish fees, you are messing up the market! I can see if most of the reviews or comments about said providers were favorable but most of the reviews I read on here are to the contrary. How many times do you read about nightmares and such. You read "I won't repeat", "I'd only repeat in a pinch" and the list goes on. This happens more often than not. I can understand paying for quality but honestly guys, can you really say you are paying for better quality these days? It is really getting ridiculous. These hookers might not be pricing themselves out of the market but they're damn sure pricing me out of the hobby! The thing is I make a pretty decent living but I refuse to pay for phucked up services![/QUOTE]Yeah, I hate to admit this, but I'm slowly being priced out of the market. At best, I get perhaps a 2-4% increase in pay per year. Over the course of the last couple of years provider rates have gone up about 20-25%. And the increase has not been reflected in services rendered. Take Chloe in Palatka. Someone recently stated that she quoted $200 for a HH and $250 for an hour. Those are the rates that LeLe Sunflower and Rachelina charge. But with both of them, you're going to visit them in a 5 start hotel (Hyatt Regency Downtown for LeLe and the Jacksonville Marriott in Southpoint for Rachelina). On top of that, you will have access to everything but Greek and you'll be allowed MSOG, and the ability to stick around for the full HH or HR. With Chloe, I'm sure that everything is covered, that there's no CIM or COF, no Greek, and no MSOG. Plus all services will be rendered in a rundown hovel without AC or running water (always possible) that is located in a bad part of town. On top of that, with EVERY single provider that I've ever seen, I have requested that they be freshly showered. Almost all of them reply, "of course, baby". But I would say that only perhaps 40% are freshly showered when I arrive.

I still always haggle, no matter what they initially quote, which these days starts at $140. Most will make a counteroffer of $120 when I first tell them "No thanks". But when I still balk at the $120, they typically don't even reply. And again, they all want top dollar for very little in the way of services.

Just my two cents.

Shaggy.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]You know, I generally could care less what a man pays for coochie because it's his money not mine. So when you read my disbelief or comment about what someone paid a provider, just know I'm not telling you how to spend your money. However the exorbitant rates I read about are really adversely impacting the market. I cannot tell you how many times I'm being told by no good providers that they want 100-150 for a qv. I mean, the frequency of this happening is ever increasing. This is where the problem actually lies. As you go along paying these girls such outlandish fees, you are messing up the market! I can see if most of the reviews or comments about said providers were favorable but most of the reviews I read on here are to the contrary. How many times do you read about nightmares and such. You read "I won't repeat", "I'd only repeat in a pinch" and the list goes on. This happens more often than not. I can understand paying for quality but honestly guys, can you really say you are paying for better quality these days? It is really getting ridiculous. These hookers might not be pricing themselves out of the market but they're damn sure pricing me out of the hobby! The thing is I make a pretty decent living but I refuse to pay for phucked up services!

Many of them don't want to offer QVs these days like they use to- I use QVs to determine if I'd like to spend more time later; to see if chemistry is right. I guess their thinking is why do a QV when I can get paid for a 30 minute visit but only work for 15 minutes or less! How many times have I read about guys paying for an hour or even 30 minutes and the ho wants you done in 5 minutes! You see, these girls look at the average time it takes most clients to finish. There are some pretty fast finishers out there! LOL But if your behind isn't done in 5 minutes, like other minute men, the ho says the gig is up! They feel like they can get away with such rubbish and guess what? They do! Anyway, getting off the soapbox. Again just remember, while it is your money to spend however way you please, know that you're phucking up the market! One last example though, I've read in the massage section how some guys go into these parlors and pay the entry fee of 80-100 then give the girl about 150-200! Then I read how different ones complain about such practices because, hey, again, you're phucking up the market. I'll leave these thoughts with you![/QUOTE]Amen brother, again if you live an affluent lifestyle that allows you to drop $ - $. 5 for a qv then more power to ya, I'm not and will continue to set limits to what I'll dream with, and if these exorbitant prices continue to rise because hobbyists not dictating the market I'll just keep it to swan hunting or go back to the olé fashioned way of just talking them out of their pants LOL.

Blowing that kind of money on BP is misusing your assets. You can get way better for those rates. It's like paying $50,000 for a Hyundai Crapsmear when you could be driving a Lexus.

[QUOTE=LukeCage668;3479719]Amen brother, again if you live an affluent lifestyle that allows you to drop $ - $. 5 for a qv then more power to ya, I'm not and will continue to set limits to what I'll dream with, and if these exorbitant prices continue to rise because hobbyists not dictating the market I'll just keep it to swan hunting or go back to the ol fashioned way of just talking them out of their pants LOL.[/QUOTE]The SWer scene has provided some pretty good talent. I mean, at extremely reasonable rates! I love it when a BP girl tells me 80-100 for a QV, I decline and find a SWer for 20-30, depending on how they look. I at least get to see what I'm getting on the spot instead of looking at fake ad's of fake providers. The SWers also don't seem to be on some pedestal like the ones on BP. They seem to be more humble.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]You know, I generally could care less what a man pays for coochie because it's his money not mine. So when you read my disbelief or comment about what someone paid a provider, just know I'm not telling you how to spend your money. However the exorbitant rates I read about are really adversely impacting the market. [/QUOTE]But it sure sounds like you do care because it is screwing with your love life.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]I cannot tell you how many times I'm being told by no good providers that they want 100-150 for a qv. I mean, the frequency of this happening is ever increasing. This is where the problem actually lies. As you go along paying these girls such outlandish fees, you are messing up the market! [/QUOTE]If the provider is documented as "no good" then why waste any time with her at all? Simply move on and let someone else pay the fare.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]I can see if most of the reviews or comments about said providers were favorable but most of the reviews I read on here are to the contrary. How many times do you read about nightmares and such. You read "I won't repeat", "I'd only repeat in a pinch" and the list goes on. This happens more often than not. I can understand paying for quality but honestly guys, can you really say you are paying for better quality these days? [/QUOTE]For every guy who reports here there are probably five or more who lurk, read, but do not report. And there are likely even more who have never seen these pages. Complaining to the crew here does nothing to influence those who are not here.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]Many of them don't want to offer QVs these days like they use to- I use QVs to determine if I'd like to spend more time later; to see if chemistry is right. I guess their thinking is why do a QV when I can get paid for a 30 minute visit but only work for 15 minutes or less! How many times have I read about guys paying for an hour or even 30 minutes and the ho wants you done in 5 minutes! You see, these girls look at the average time it takes most clients to finish. There are some pretty fast finishers out there! [/QUOTE]Like the old saying goes "You can have it good, fast, or cheap. Pick two. ".

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520] Again just remember, while it is your money to spend however way you please, know that you're phucking up the market! [/QUOTE]If the majority are paying "exhorbitant rates" then they ARE the market and you may be the outlier.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]One last example though, I've read in the massage section how some guys go into these parlors and pay the entry fee of 80-100 then give the girl about 150-200! Then I read how different ones complain about such practices because, hey, again, you're phucking up the market. I'll leave these thoughts with you![/QUOTE]Your facts are inaccurate. Standard house fee at a K-Shop is 60/80 and the tip scale ranges 100-140 for deluxe treatment. With the AMPs there are always youngsters who get conned into more than the going rate but the savvy customer does not.

[QUOTE=DrewPark;3479758]But it sure sounds like you do care because it is screwing with your love life.

If the provider is documented as "no good" then why waste any time with her at all? Simply move on and let someone else pay the fare.

For every guy who reports here there are probably five or more who lurk, read, but do not report. And there are likely even more who have never seen these pages. Complaining to the crew here does nothing to influence those who are not here.

Like the old saying goes "You can have it good, fast, or cheap. Pick two. ".

If the majority are paying "exhorbitant rates" then they ARE the market and you may be the outlier.

Your facts are inaccurate. Standard house fee at a K-Shop is 60/80 and the tip scale ranges 100-140 for deluxe treatment. With the AMPs there are always youngsters who get conned into more than the going rate but the savvy customer does not.[/QUOTE]If the provider is documented as "no good" then why waste any time with her at all? Simply move on and let someone else pay the fare:

*I'm not wasting time on anyone I know is a waste since I do read reviews and pretty much know the good and the bad. I'm simply talking about not paying for bad services here. That is all!

For every guy who reports here there are probably five or more who lurk, read, but do not report. And there are likely even more who have never seen these pages. Complaining to the crew here does nothing to influence those who are not here. Like the old saying goes "You can have it good, fast, or cheap. Pick two:

*I'm well aware that guys on this site represent the minority but since it is a site where information is exchanged, no harm in raising awareness that "We" not others, should not be a part of this problem. I don't think I've ever read a review that you've posted about a BP provider so not sure if you can really speak much on the subject! My rant is for guys who are more involved in the process, not those who sit on the sidelines and want to give advice all the time! My effort in posting this is not to reach the millions not a part of this site but perhaps, one day, a few of those millions might join this site and understand how things should be done. Whether it's them messing up the market or us, the fact remains, the market is a mess. So the million dollar question is how can "We" on this site not contribute to the problem.

Your facts are inaccurate. Standard house fee at a K-Shop is 60/80 and the tip scale ranges 100-140 for deluxe treatment. With the AMPs there are always youngsters who get conned into more than the going rate but the savvy customer does not:

*I get my facts from what I have read! I have seen where guys pay a pretty good house fee, give or take, whether it's 60-80 or 100 does not matter. The point of the example is that guys complain about others overpaying because they know the expectation for them to pay the same is rapidly approaching. Again a man can pay what they want- it's their money but don't get mad with these little witches when they take your money and give you shitty service. Why complain about something, of which, you are a part of the problem?! I have no problem paying for a quality provider but BP, by and large, have very few and far between quality providers; at least this is what I gather from those who actually see providers and provide reviews instead of just GIVING ADVICE!

[QUOTE=ShaggyJax;3479613]Yeah, I hate to admit this, but I'm slowly being priced out of the market. At best, I get perhaps a 2-4% increase in pay per year. Over the course of the last couple of years provider rates have gone up about 20-25%. And the increase has not been reflected in services rendered. Take Chloe in Palatka. Someone recently stated that she quoted $200 for a HH and $250 for an hour. Those are the rates that LeLe Sunflower and Rachelina charge. But with both of them, you're going to visit them in a 5 start hotel (Hyatt Regency Downtown for LeLe and the Jacksonville Marriott in Southpoint for Rachelina). On top of that, you will have access to everything but Greek and you'll be allowed MSOG, and the ability to stick around for the full HH or HR. With Chloe, I'm sure that everything is covered, that there's no CIM or COF, no Greek, and no MSOG. Plus all services will be rendered in a rundown hovel without AC or running water (always possible) that is located in a bad part of town. On top of that, with EVERY single provider that I've ever seen, I have requested that they be freshly showered. Almost all of them reply, "of course, baby". But I would say that only perhaps 40% are freshly showered when I arrive.

I still always haggle, no matter what they initially quote, which these days starts at $140. Most will make a counteroffer of $120 when I first tell them "No thanks". But when I still balk at the $120, they typically don't even reply. And again, they all want top dollar for very little in the way of services.

Just my two cents.

Shaggy.[/QUOTE]We should not be paying for shitty services because when we do, these girls feel empowered to continue to do the same damn thing. I could not have worded it more eloquently!

[QUOTE=CantB1;3475301]That must be ugly ass Darla? LOL.[/QUOTE]Horrible attempt at trying to hide phone number.

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[QUOTE=CantB1;3479555]Play more and pay less is my motto. I contacted a newbie on BP a few days ago. She told me she was only doing car visits right now. She asked for 80. I nicely said that's more than I normally pay and she told me stop being cheap. I told her I'm sure she will have other callers who say the same. She said she had plenty that will pay what she ask. She should have no problem having a room than. I'm not going to pay that. She was decent looking spinner but not all that. These hookers rates should match their looks. Even the 5 and below scaled providers want 2 bens an hour.[/QUOTE]For a car date and she was reluctant to provide a phucking decent real pix! It kills me how some of them can be so unrealistic but you know, other guys are putting up with their shit so they think everyone should. Man, like I mentioned, the SWer scene never looked better for me and I've found some pretty decent looking girls. Like I said, if I'm going to pay a significant amount of money, it won't be on someone from BP! Hell no!

Will be back soon.

New to the area providers or BP ladies are bombarded with men from all walks. After a few smelly balls, slovenly dates, and rip offs, I know I came up with a figure in my head of "how much do I need to charge to get through this without complaint?" Their increases are likely a direct result of some nasty mongers fucking it up for everybody.

I had several gents that would visit for less than the advertised rate. They were great examples of hobbiests that I could trust to show up clean, no dip in donation, conduct themselves responsibly, and a consistently pleasant experience. If eating the same cereal sounds appealing, consider a business relationship with a provider you can afford and enjoy.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479821]For a car date and she was reluctant to provide a phucking decent real pix! It kills me how some of them can be so unrealistic but you know, other guys are putting up with their shit so they think everyone should. Man, like I mentioned, the SWer scene never looked better for me and I've found some pretty decent looking girls. Like I said, if I'm going to pay a significant amount of money, it won't be on someone from BP! Hell no![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThePrivAsst;3490365]New to the area providers or BP ladies are bombarded with men from all walks. After a few smelly balls, slovenly dates, and rip offs, I know I came up with a figure in my head of "how much do I need to charge to get through this without complaint?" Their increases are likely a direct result of some nasty mongers fucking it up for everybody.

I had several gents that would visit for less than the advertised rate. They were great examples of hobbiests that I could trust to show up clean, no dip in donation, conduct themselves responsibly, and a consistently pleasant experience. If eating the same cereal sounds appealing, consider a business relationship with a provider you can afford and enjoy.[/QUOTE]Well said TPA. Might add that establishment of a firm price-point will also discourage the low-ballers; some of the nuisance inquiries; as will not offering QV times. The business arrangement makes perfect sense and advice. Better to have a weekly or bi-weekly regular at "X " instead of a one-timer as "X+1. " JMHO.

[QUOTE=CantB1;3479555]Play more and pay less is my motto. I contacted a newbie on BP a few days ago. She told me she was only doing car visits right now. She asked for 80. I nicely said that's more than I normally pay and she told me stop being cheap. I told her I'm sure she will have other callers who say the same. She said she had plenty that will pay what she ask. She should have no problem having a room than. I'm not going to pay that. She was decent looking spinner but not all that. These hookers rates should match their looks. Even the 5 and below scaled providers want 2 bens an hour.[/QUOTE]This sounds like Rizzo / Leila / Marissa, the one who ads say you have to pick her up.