"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin;1351389](Edit Delete) As for my hot South African, our play-date got postponed to tomorrow. However, we did have a discussion of sugar today, and I learned that she has some serious GPS. I explained again my limitations and abilities in this area, and we agreed to that for this meeting. It will be interesting to see if this goes past tomorrow's meeting, and how her performance is impacted.[/QUOTE]This is my cue to chime in and say both sides must get along naturally without effort or it won't work. This includes nobody having to compromise on the sugar. Both sides need to be happy with the number. It's been August 11 since I've spouted off about this so I guess I'm not a broken record.

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin; 1351512]Turns out, she's more of a pro than she let on. Thanks to a fellow traveler who guessed who she might be based on my description and PMed me her website link, you can see her too:

[url]http://www.ohdayne.com/#!__my-portfolio[/url]

(Edit Delete) [/QUOTE]Her site says the guy pays in advance, not at the encounter.

A negotiating male is the other side of the golden pussy syndrome. We will appear to her as she appears to us. Plus we are using money as power. It doesn't work if being happy is the goal.

I would not meet her tomorrow. Somebody is going to be unhappy.

If I met her I would not let on I know about the website. No upside.

Golf, that's sort of what I'm thinking. I do feel a little deceived, and it's going to be hard for me to see her as an honest SB. On the other hand, none of us or them are always 100% all the time. I'm curious about her performance, and she agreed to a level of sugar with which I can be comfortable. If this ends up being a one-off, I don't see how it can be worse than several escorts I've paid similar or higher dollar for that were one-offs. But I agree that raising the issue of the web site serves no good purpose. Now.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1351269]Gentlemen,

Hope I did not lead anyone astray on this. I wanted to get the word out as quickly as possible. If anyone has any other ideas about anonymous debit cards and how to secure them, I think now might be a good time to share.[/QUOTE]Scott, I use cash for everything except hotels. The best I've been able to do with a credit card for hotels is this. I have several cc's which I do not try to conceal. One of them is tied to a former business and its po box. I get the statements online and pay the bill online from an account also tied to the po box and also with no paper statements. When I register at a hotel I use the po box address. The warden knows about the ccs and the accounts but doesn't try to monitor them, never sees a statement because there's no paper, and would have a difficult time doing so. If anybody ordered a credit report on me, which would be without my consent, they might get the balance and payment history for the cc but not the detail. For me it's easier to conceal transactions within a known account than to try to conceal the account. As always, we aren't talking about being able to conceal this stuff from the leo or the IRS, so I don't take tax deductions on any sb related activity.

I'm curious about prepaid debit cards but I like streamlining sb security to the extent possible and it seems like an extra step. But as you say, we live and learn.

Great posts on the thread these days.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1351285]Affairs of the heart are a difficult thing and this SB is my first departure from multifucking that I engaged in over the past 2+ years. I went from 1 to 2 escorts / week to monogamy.[/QUOTE]Nando, you are a romantic. I'll say this: sex with emotion is always better than sex without it. It's just those damned entanglements.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Steveoo41; 1351363]I hope you guys can help me out. I was presented with an opportunity for some Nsa from a co-worker. She told me straight up she wants to fuck. No commitment involved. Just do the damn thing and if we like it, do it some more until one of us says no.

I would much rather pfp. But she is hot as hell. Both us have SO. My only concern is the work issue. We don't work together every day, but communicate almost daily. This lady is ready asap. Bored at home and says she is dying for some 41.

I want to but the work thing scares the shit out of me.

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]That's a tempting proposition from your co-worker. Nobody will be surprised if you accept.

The posts on this thread are about sbs of course and many are about keeping those relationships as anonymous and confidential as possible.

An office affair is completely different.

I sure wish I knew how to handle an office affair without consequence. I had one years ago and it led to years of divorce proceedings and financial drain. I was as discreet as I could be, but the entire office seemed to know about the affair within a matter of weeks if not days. It is amazing what people notice. Who you take calls from, who you eat lunch with, who you sit next to, whose jokes you laugh at, whether you disappear at the same time, whether you look like you've taken a shower, all that shit. Many of your co-workers are probably watching out all the time for any kind of excuse to start gossiping about somebody's affair with somebody, because thats just what people do. And once your co-workers figure it out they will find ways of telling your SOs.

All of the above assumes that your affair will truly be nsa and most of them aren't.

These things are very likely to blow up either your marriage or your job or both.

So, Steve, you should ask yourself,"Do I feel lucky?"

Have you considered anonymous multifucking as an alternative? SBs offer much of the intimacy of an affair and a better chance of preserving your privacy. Anyway, thats my opinion.

[QUOTE=F Scott;1351442]*** you can always abort the mission, although I will freely admit it is hard for [B]me[/B] to forgo a good look at a naked baby once I have it penciled into my calendar.[/QUOTE]It is hard, I agree, but you have to be able to walk away, even if that means you waste the setup costs. Sometimes, when the girl sees you'll do that, it changes her attitude. It's best to have a backup female you can call at the last minute for ejaculatory relief. Sometimes I make a list of local escorts and keep it handy when meeting an sb for the first time.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1351516]So I get a email from her last night, with a video attached, that said "just for you." So I opened it and much to my surprise, there she was, all 5'11, stretched out naked on a bed. She then starts to masturbate, all the while talking dirty using my name. I can see the fluids on her thighs, as she gets really raunchy and cums. I am so hard by this time that I thought both my heads were going to explode. Have you ever heard of such a thing? Is this what the young folks do these days? (God I wish I was young) I have never experienced any thing like this in my life. It totally blew my mind. I have to tell you my decision is made and I'm going to get between those thighs my self just as soon as I can. It was a great way to start the New Year.[/QUOTE]That is amazing. Lucky you. Well done, Cool! I've had them send me pussy pix but that's it.

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin;1351593]Golf, that's sort of what I'm thinking. I do feel a little deceived, and it's going to be hard for me to see her as an honest SB. On the other hand, none of us or them are always 100% all the time. I'm curious about her performance, and she agreed to a level of sugar with which I can be comfortable. If this ends up being a one-off, I don't see how it can be worse than several escorts I've paid similar or higher dollar for that were one-offs. But I agree that raising the issue of the web site serves no good purpose. Now.[/QUOTE]I agree with Golf. Don't let her know you know about the website. That being said, the sugar she refers to looks quite reasonable if she's the girl in the pix. I hope you go fo it and tell us all about it.

[QUOTE=Steveoo41;1351363]I would much rather pfp.[/QUOTE]And continuing to do so will cost you less in the long run.

[QUOTE=Steveoo41;1351363]I want to but the work thing scares the shit out of me.[/QUOTE]And it probably should scare you. Ask yourself, if the word got around the company that you were banging your co-worker: 1) would it cost you your job? 2) could you easily replace your job with equal or better income with no downside? 3) would you regret getting involved with miss hotpants, if and when this thing goes to hell in a hand-basket? 4) if it came down to this, it would be the ultimate pfp, wouldn't it.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1351387]* coming upon her in the copy room late in the day, all alone, bending over to get more toner, and me running my hands over her small but perfect ass, then up under her impossibly short skirt*

This would be idiocy of the first order, right? *Someone please talk me back from this precipice, or encourage me that there is no real danger except sore muscles from fucking her too much.[/QUOTE]Right.

You know the answer already. It would be foolish if you care about security. She'll be thinking about settling down with full size Scott about 30 seconds after she realizes it is you. She will never fuck you without consequence. She'll view the fucking as a forward progression in a pre-existing relationship.

But good luck and let us know what you do.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1351769]Right.

You know the answer already. It would be foolish if you care about security. She'll be thinking about settling down with full size Scott about 30 seconds after she realizes it is you. She will never fuck you without consequence. She'll view the fucking as a forward progression in a pre-existing relationship.

But good luck and let us know what you do.[/QUOTE]I know you are right, and I would never follow through with this, I think. But it was fun to daydream, which brings up an interesting phenomenon that I have been experiencing / indulging in recently; I'd like to see if any other brothers out there do the same.

This whole SB thing has caused me to look at HYBs in a different manner. Before I would ogle them discretely and think for a second or two how fun it would be to bang them. Now, as I have come to understand how broad the SB world is, I wonder to myself when I see an HYB if she might be on SA, and I could find her profile. It lends a greater sense of concreteness to my musings, making them a lot more fun. Not an earth-shattering observation, but more of an added perk kind of thing.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

atDilemma

NSA at work? Won't happen. Proceed with great caution.

atFixinit " On her way out she asked if she could have some sugar." This is one of my pet peeves and typical of a Nando 1 .the desperada. If a SB asks for $$ then I put her in the escort category.or worse

atFscott Suicide? For sure Scotty. She presumably has your personal info and knows where to find you? Give this one a miss.

atCantwinlosin I have tasted this delicacy in my escort days and she is fine! She is (or at least was) 9's across the board Good luck!

Gentlemen,

A little further information on the issue of a debit / checking account card showing up on your credit report: apparently it will not. I should have been clearer in the beginning that the card I use for baby activity is a debit card that is linked to a savings account that I opened without my SO's knowledge, and whose statement only appears on line.

This keeps it as UTR as such a thing can be, but it would be child's play, apparently, if leo or an attorney wanted to find it. Right now, thankfully, that is not a concern for me.

I assume, however, that a true credit card, no matter where the statements appear, would show up on a credit report.

Keep up the good work out there,

Scott

When a bank ran my credit for my last home loan, every account tied to my name and social security number came up on the report without my having listed it.

Just saying'.

Gentlemen, thank you for such an interesting forum.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1351939]Gentlemen,

A little further information on the issue of a debit / checking account card showing up on your credit report: apparently it will not. I should have been clearer in the beginning that the card I use for baby activity is a debit card that is linked to a savings account that I opened without my SO's knowledge, and whose statement only appears on line.

This keeps it as UTR as such a thing can be, but it would be child's play, apparently, if leo or an attorney wanted to find it. Right now, thankfully, that is not a concern for me.

I assume, however, that a true credit card, no matter where the statements appear, would show up on a credit report.

Keep up the good work out there,

Scott[/QUOTE]

I've been following your thread. RTFF from the beginning so I could understand what was going on. After reviewing all of the material in the tread I realized that lo and behold I've unknowing been an SD in past relationships. LOL. What I like most about what I've read here is the methodical methods used to recruit, develop and retain the assets. In a word fascinating. So, much so I had to try it for myself.

SB1. Source CL M4W – 40, HWP Average looks, wants a lunch meeting to determine chemistry. Damn! Back to school. Guess I got to break out my periodic table and brush up.