Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=EmptyCup]Hundreds of guys a month times $ times 20 plus years .... Sorry not seeing where our sympathy is needed. Being physical with my job and the abuse that comes with it. Think they have the better deal. We feeling for the pro athletes next?[/QUOTE]You would be surprised how little they make from the $.

The people involved in the business end are not nice people. They take more of what you pay than you could ever imagine. The girls do not make nearly as much as you would think.

My friend told me that she had to pay rent to stay at the spa. The rent was $1000 a month. Food included. She was not able to have a place of her own. She had to live at the spa.

The fee for just walking in was all taken by the owner.

The tip would go 75%.- 25% with the 25 going to the girl. The 75% goes to the people who brought them into the country as a fee. The rooms are usually bugged with video and audio recorders. So they really keep an eye on the girls and what they are offered.

You have to remember, these girls are from very poor families and even the 25% is a lot of money to them.

So twenty five dollars a pop. With say 75 to 100 guys a month. Which averages out to about 3 a day. So she makes about 75 dollars a day.

With rent taken out. She was making about $875 to $1200 a month. Most of that was going back to Korea to support her family.

Her keepers were making $5000 for the entry fee and then $12500 every month from the 100 guys through tips. Multiply that by the 4 girls that were where she worked and the people who were running the spa were making $70, 000 per month. And don't forget the 4 grand for the rent from the 4 women.

I was really surprised at these numbers but she swears that they are about average for every spa she was at.

You rarely see these women driving or even out in public. They are not allowed and cannot afford to drive. Most are here illegally and can't risk being caught.

They are unable in many cases to get out of the business even after 20 years. The people who run the spas keep them on a short leash and they cannot get away unless someone helps them.

It is hard to have them trust you because they have been taken advantage of and trust almost no one.

So give them a break.

That info is only true for girls just geting into the business. About half of them are married, almost always to american guys for citizenship. These women make half of whatever we pay, tho they also tip the mamasan and pay a small fee daily for food usually around $25. The reason most have no money is because of their gambling addiction's. They will sometimes spend days there till the moneys gone, many also gamble online via laptops. By no means am i saying they've got a great life, on the contrary those that work the Warren spa's which are 24 hours open go 2 or 3 days at a time without sleep. I sometimes wonder if the more popular girls like Lisa sleep at all. I've spent plenty of time dateing more then one of these girls and its always the same info. Once you get them outside the spa they are completely diffrent and are truly special.

I really don't think if I went in and told any girl working that my place of employment subs me out for 80 to 100 and hour and only pays me 25 that they feel sorry for me. I've heard so many stories from I'm a prisoner here to I just work now and then for extra money.

[QUOTE=Jeep56]You would be surprised how little they make from the $.

The people involved in the business end are not nice people. They take more of what you pay than you could ever imagine. The girls do not make nearly as much as you would think.

My friend told me that she had to pay rent to stay at the spa. The rent was $1000 a month. Food included. She was not able to have a place of her own. She had to live at the spa.

The fee for just walking in was all taken by the owner.

The tip would go 75%.- 25% with the 25 going to the girl. The 75% goes to the people who brought them into the country as a fee. The rooms are usually bugged with video and audio recorders. So they really keep an eye on the girls and what they are offered.

You have to remember, these girls are from very poor families and even the 25% is a lot of money to them.

So twenty five dollars a pop. With say 75 to 100 guys a month. Which averages out to about 3 a day. So she makes about 75 dollars a day.

With rent taken out. She was making about $875 to $1200 a month. Most of that was going back to Korea to support her family.

Her keepers were making $5000 for the entry fee and then $12500 every month from the 100 guys through tips. Multiply that by the 4 girls that were where she worked and the people who were running the spa were making $70, 000 per month. And don't forget the 4 grand for the rent from the 4 women.

I was really surprised at these numbers but she swears that they are about average for every spa she was at.

You rarely see these women driving or even out in public. They are not allowed and cannot afford to drive. Most are here illegally and can't risk being caught.

They are unable in many cases to get out of the business even after 20 years. The people who run the spas keep them on a short leash and they cannot get away unless someone helps them.

It is hard to have them trust you because they have been taken advantage of and trust almost no one.

So give them a break.[/QUOTE]

Jeep,

I don't doubt what you have written and commend you for your humanity. I share your sympathies and affection for these ladies.

But do understand that although there are some commonalities, there are wide variations in the these ladies' situations - for almost every one of the factors you stated, from their financial situation when they come here, to their living arrangements, to the generosity or stinginess of spa owners, to their immigration situations and everything else you discussed.

Also understand that part of why things are as they are there is because it is small-city Ohio. In a place like NYC or LA, a business being run like the one you describe would suffer because the women could go to any one of a thousand other places to work at instead.

On another comment - it is one of the most common and most off base myths that all these ladies are gambling addicts. Many are, but many are not.

[QUOTE=Virile Vito]Jeep,

I don't doubt what you have written and commend you for your humanity. I share your sympathies and affection for these ladies.

But do understand that although there are some commonalities, there are wide variations in the these ladies' situations - for almost every one of the factors you stated, from their financial situation when they come here, to their living arrangements, to the generosity or stinginess of spa owners, to their immigration situations and everything else you discussed.

Also understand that part of why things are as they are there is because it is small-city Ohio. In a place like NYC or LA, a business being run like the one you describe would suffer because the women could go to any one of a thousand other places to work at instead.

On another comment - it is one of the most common and most off base myths that all these ladies are gambling addicts. Many are, but many are not.[/QUOTE]

I agree, didn't mean to paint some broad brush that all of these ladies are gambling addicts. Obviously there working arrangements don't allow them to on any kind of a regular basis, but i frequent casino's myself and you'd be surprised how many times i've met working ladies at the tables that i know.

Also on a side note I know 2 ladies in Michigan that own and work solo there own spa's. One's in Flint the other in Bay City. So yes, some actually are quite ambitious.

Does anyone have any info on this spa that used to be Tiffany's? Do they have NON Asian girls? Do they offer GFE and FS? If anyone has been there, can you please leave a good detailed review?

Thanks

[QUOTE=JohnHolmes15]Does anyone have any info on this spa that used to be Tiffany's? Do they have NON Asian girls? Do they offer GFE and FS? If anyone has been there, can you please leave a good detailed review?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Its all asian, read so so review from a month or so ago on another site.
Talent changes pretty frequently tho, at least it always did when was Tiffanys. They also used to have some pretty young girls then.

The only non asian mp in Ohio is gemini, and it is NOT f/s only H/J, and girls were not very hot, the only F/S non asian spa I know of is in Breezewood Pa, the girls I found there were pretty hot but expensive, one tine I spent over $200 it is just off the Turnipike, Erie PA used to have quite a few as did Akron Ohio but the PD closed them down, most work the underground you can find them on backpage.com or craigs list, even then it is a crap shoot on the quality.

[QUOTE=JohnHolmes15]Does anyone have any info on this spa that used to be Tiffany's? Do they have NON Asian girls? Do they offer GFE and FS? If anyone has been there, can you please leave a good detailed review?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hbkrus]The only non asian mp in Ohio is gemini, and it is NOT f/s only H/J, and girls were not very hot, the only F/S non asian spa I know of is in Breezewood Pa, the girls I found there were pretty hot but expensive, one tine I spent over $200 it is just off the Turnipike, Erie PA used to have quite a few as did Akron Ohio but the PD closed them down, most work the underground you can find them on backpage.com or craigs list, even then it is a crap shoot on the quality.[/QUOTE]


I did use The Gemini Spa a few times when it was the Bella Spa I believe.. I have NOT been there since it changed over to Gemini Spa .I have a few questions . Do they still have a line up that you chose a gal? What is the Door fee and what's the average tip to leave for the provider? Thanks much....

I have another business trip soon in the Warren area.

Of course, a visit with Lisa at 4s is high on my list of activities.

Are there any other providers currently working in the area that any local mongers would recommend?

In the past, I have enjoyed both 4s and Sun (see my old posts on this board).

Thanks in advance,

P

They still do a line up door fee is. 5 for 1/2 I think, but the girls where a little on the ugly side, let me know if you find some imrovement.

[QUOTE=JackOff]I did use The Gemini Spa a few times when it was the Bella Spa I believe.. I have NOT been there since it changed over to Gemini Spa .I have a few questions . Do they still have a line up that you chose a gal? What is the Door fee and what's the average tip to leave for the provider? Thanks much....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JackOff]I did use The Gemini Spa a few times when it was the Bella Spa I believe.. I have NOT been there since it changed over to Gemini Spa .I have a few questions . Do they still have a line up that you chose a gal? What is the Door fee and what's the average tip to leave for the provider? Thanks much....[/QUOTE]When I've gone to Gemini (been a couple of years, since I prefer f/s AMPS) the door fee was 60 per half hour and the expected tip was half the door fee. So, 90 for a lame massage and half assed hand job by a girl who may or may not get completely nude.

Stopped in middle of last week and saw Jackie. Took me right in room. Started DFK and undressing. Got business out of the way. Usual on menu BBJ, Cmiss, RCG. Good massage and neck cracking. Tall girl 5'8"? , decent tits and ass.

Is is still just Jackie and Lisa or is there a new gal there?

I miss Bonnie.

Hope she comes back at some point in time.

I hit the 4S on Sunday early afternoon looking for Jackie to try someone other than Lisa. The place was absolutely dead, no cars in the lot when I got there, the doorbell never rang, and no cars in the lot when I left. I was in there over an hour and a half. I asked Jackie if she was busy and she replied emphatically NO. I wonder if this sour economy is starting to affect them too.

As far as Jackie goes, the reports on this forum are fairly accurate. The table shower wasn't good at all, no extra playing whatsoever. She allowed very limited tongue kissing. Her nipples appeared to be responsive but she wouldn't let me suck or play with them much even though I tried several times. The blow job was uncovered but way too toothy for me. I was able to shove it all the way down her throat but I kept catching those teeth. The full service was average. After we were done she came back in and offered a massage which wasn't that bad. Then I had the strangest ending to any session I've ever had.

After the massage she asked me if was in a hurry to go which I wasn't. She said let's lay next to each other and she asked me to hold her. She said she would give me a second pop later. Then SHE FELL ASLEEP for about a half an hour. I kept trying to wake her up but she was out cold. Then I heard the Mamasan at the door saying "time's up" so I finally woke her up and told her what I heard. She was startled and even asked if I was just saying that or if the Mamasan really did say it. Then she quickly whisked me out the door with no mention of the second pop.

I probably won't repeat with her.