"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2412541]I couldn't agree with this post more. And in fact I believe Jackson has very stringent rules about even mentioning these topics on his website. It's one of the things that will get you banned faster than anything else. This website and all its content is about pussy and pussy only. And while I have nothing against anyone in their chosen lifestyle, I think we should keep the topic related to true sugarbabies in here.[/QUOTE]You're right, I never noticed the vag-only policy, but I'm damn glad it's there.

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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2412446]We are all so lucky on here. I read all my local threads and have only come across 2 guys in my area that although they only do pros, they are pros at finding some really hot girls for reasonable rates. But that still doesn't compare to posts like this one above.[/QUOTE]BTW HWG, I would like to thank you for giving me not only pointers but motivation to ramp up my game. Your posts are probably more valuable to the brothers here than you realize. I think everyone has contributed valuable advice here. When we post about our experiences, there is always someone who learns something. I know I had a pretty good game going before I stumbled onto this thread, but you and several others have helped me to hone my trade with the ladies. It's all about having a game plan and being confident you can deploy it. The young lady today passed a comment between rounds that what she found so attractive during our time at breakfast was how I presented myself as a confident man who knew exactly what he wanted. She said she was wet sitting there talking to me. After thinking about this, I have realized that it separates us from the 20 something guys that these girls are always having to deal with. Unlike us older gents, they are not confident and do not express a desire and means to take care of these girls. She also surprised me between the 2nd and 3rd round when she told me most of the guys she has been with are one and done. In essence, the girls really are looking to be fucked hard and taken care of. We are doing this to satisfy needs that are not being taken care of at home. In some respects, these girls are doing the same thing.

This is the strangest M&G I've had. I'd been exchanging messages, then email and text for a few days with a SB. She's 20, student, face 9, body 7. Really nice girl. We decide to meet up for a quick lunch. She explained she has family in town and our lunch date had to be brief. We talk and start going over experiences, I mentioned I was prior military and apparently she was a military brat. We're hitting it off. She then tells me that her family knows that she's out at lunch with me. I'm not flustered or anything, I just thought this was different. Especially being our first meet and all. There was no discussion on an allowance. Finally, we were ending things and she mentioned that her father would like me. She actually wanted us to meet.

Am I the only one that finds this strange? I look rather young for most guys my age (late 30's). What's the angle here guys?

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2412704]BTW HWG, I would like to thank you for giving me not only pointers but motivation to ramp up my game. Your posts are probably more valuable to the brothers here than you realize. I think everyone has contributed valuable advice here. When we post about our experiences, there is always someone who learns something. I know I had a pretty good game going before I stumbled onto this thread, but you and several others have helped me to hone my trade with the ladies. It's all about having a game plan and being confident you can deploy it. The young lady today passed a comment between rounds that what she found so attractive during our time at breakfast was how I presented myself as a confident man who knew exactly what he wanted. She said she was wet sitting there talking to me. After thinking about this, I have realized that it separates us from the 20 something guys that these girls are always having to deal with. Unlike us older gents, they are not confident and do not express a desire and means to take care of these girls. She also surprised me between the 2nd and 3rd round when she told me most of the guys she has been with are one and done. In essence, the girls really are looking to be fucked hard and taken care of. We are doing this to satisfy needs that are not being taken care of at home. In some respects, these girls are doing the same thing.[/QUOTE]Back in the day when I worked at great expectations, one of our biggest catch phrases was that we were going to find them a "good fit". Kind of a double entendre that everyone got. But a very true statement none the less. Sometimes that fit is only in the FC and sometimes its more. What I like about sugaring is that an only in the FC arrangement is considered just fine for a lot of these girls. Until it's not. LOL.

People can have very full lives but be missing the type of sexual intimacy that makes it all worth getting up at 6 am for. Now the ability for everyone to have that, minus the drama and commitment that was usually a part of the deal is in the past for those willing to make the extra effort. It's not dead and buried by a long shot. But not a requirement to have a steady supply of what most alpha males need to function and stay balanced. Thank god the days of SW's, call girls and "private mens clubs" are no longer a necessity to be able to help achieve that balance. God bless the Internet.

I seriously doubt there is a high school girl today that doesn't watch porn or know what a sugar baby is. In the distant past women were "hysterical" and then came BC and the womens movement. But that still didnt clear up the mystery of how to find good sex or even what good sex was. Now a girl can watch it and find a partner to emulate it. I think I died and went to heaven. And you know what they say. Heaven is a place on earth.

And BTW I had a great relationship game before I came here, but thats it. I was never without pussy. But it was the same pussy over and over till I found the next one. But the dating game is relatively new to me. So 30+ years of steady relationships and maybe 8 years of dating. What I have learned here is invaluable. The key to success is always to take the tried and true foundational principles from those who came before and then put your own spin on it. Orthodoxy in the corporate world, the church or even AA has always given me a sense of confidence but I was never totally comfortable until I made it my own.

I am new to SD / SB business, my week 3 - but loving it.

After hanging out with the professionals, I finally decided to take the SA route and it has been great for me.

Just a summary:

* Yes, some ladies canceled the night of, or stood me up. Oh well, shit happens.

* Yes, I met one scammer. She got the money and then a knock on the door. Shit.

* Met a beautiful, 20-year old, green eyed beauty. Has job issues, kid issues, money issues. She just needs money ALL the time, not a long-term thing. However, She let's me fuck her without a condom and has a tight pussy. I am afraid I am falling for her. Oh no, no.

* Spent a night with a nympho. Wholly shit. I pumped cum in her raw pussy three times.

* Young AA with the biggest tits: she keeps bugging to see me again. She squirted and soiled my sheets. Nevr saw that before. She wants daddy cock bad.

* 40+ wife who didn't have sex with the hubby for 11 years. I "popped her cherry" . She came 5-6 times, I don't know, and she fucked me and deep-throated me relentlessly.

* waiting for a 19-year old to show up tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM. Chance of hitting that pussy: 90%.

After being shit on by the wife for 20+ years, this is like heaven.

I just hope I can afford this for a long time.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2412764]I am new to SD / SB business, my week 3 - but loving it.

After hanging out with the professionals, I finally decided to take the SA route and it has been great for me.

Just a summary:

* Yes, some ladies canceled the night of, or stood me up. Oh well, shit happens.

* Yes, I met one scammer. She got the money and then a knock on the door. Shit.

* Met a beautiful, 20-year old, green eyed beauty. Has job issues, kid issues, money issues. She just needs money ALL the time, not a long-term thing. However, She let's me fuck her without a condom and has a tight pussy. I am afraid I am falling for her. Oh no, no.

* Spent a night with a nympho. Wholly shit. I pumped cum in her raw pussy three times.

* Young AA with the biggest tits: she keeps bugging to see me again. She squirted and soiled my sheets. Nevr saw that before. She wants daddy cock bad.

* 40+ wife who didn't have sex with the hubby for 11 years. I "popped her cherry" . She came 5-6 times, I don't know, and she fucked me and deep-throated me relentlessly.

* waiting for a 19-year old to show up tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM. Chance of hitting that pussy: 90%.

After being shit on by the wife for 20+ years, this is like heaven.

I just hope I can afford this for a long time.[/QUOTE]Congrats on all the good action. I would, however, caution you on the bareback sex. Aside from the obvious STD issues, I would really be concerned that some of them are looking for you to be a baby daddy. If you are doing this raw, I would hope you have been clipped. That can be something that can cause you to lose 1/2 of what you own really quick. You get one of these girls pregnant and something bad is going to happen. I would also suggest you figure out a budget you can afford for this and pretty much stick to it. When you over extend it does not take long to empty the pockets. Also, NEVER give up the sugar until the end. If they want it up front then they have exposed themselves as being UTR not a SB. If they insist on it up front, do not be afraid to walk. You can avoid the scam that way.

Be careful and be safe.

Brothers,

We need a shorter version of the five-step we can text.

' just saying.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2412842]Brothers,

We need a shorter version of the five-step we can text.

' just saying.[/QUOTE]Honestly when girls reply wanting to txt. I just tell them they have to email me. It's easier to keep track of the girls, and also for me personally, I find I need every word in those steps so as to be as concise as possible, but yet still convey enough message to get the desired response.

Is it just me or does Baroness strike anyone else as being the Bowl Version of Luscious Leah?

I have confirmation from a DC monger that after initial contact, she will let you know shee is P4 P at $400 a session, without stating the length of the session. Happens to coincide with her pro hourly rate and several of the pics on her website look amazingly like some of her SA profile pics.

Regarding the discussion on the tranny issue I'll pass. It does turn my stomach a bit. I'm going to Thailand next month on business and pleasure. That is the Tranny capital of the world. I'll have to be more aware, as the she boys are good at fooling you with their looks.

A lot of good reading from yesterday. As I'm reading eveyones experiences and advice I couldn't help but think how valuable that information is for the young whipersnappers on here. It's like going to school for them. I'm no youngster, and I still find myself learning a few things. Great forum.

Based on your prior posts, it sounds like a lot of the women you are meeting on SA are more interested in dating you, rather than being a SB. She probably threw out the offer to meet the parents as a way to show you that she has ideas that she sees more potential for you than just as a SD.

Nothing wrong with that, but you may want to make your expectations for what you want with her clear, unless of course you really are interested in meeting her parents.

IMHO, and from prior experience, when expectations are not communicated and set up front, things can go badly. Always remember that a lot of these girls have some level of mental issues. Heck, even when expectations are established up front and are set, things can go badly.

Regardless though, sounds like you have the ability to appeal to these sbs on multiple levels, and that is always a good thing. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2412715]This is the strangest M&G I've had. I'd been exchanging messages, then email and text for a few days with a SB. She's 20, student, face 9, body 7. Really nice girl. We decide to meet up for a quick lunch. She explained she has family in town and our lunch date had to be brief. We talk and start going over experiences, I mentioned I was prior military and apparently she was a military brat. We're hitting it off. She then tells me that her family knows that she's out at lunch with me. I'm not flustered or anything, I just thought this was different. Especially being our first meet and all. There was no discussion on an allowance. Finally, we were ending things and she mentioned that her father would like me. She actually wanted us to meet.

Am I the only one that finds this strange? I look rather young for most guys my age (late 30's). What's the angle here guys?[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself. That being said, I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to bareback some of these young ladies. When they do the stripper slide, or are begging to have me rub it on them uncovered, its damn near impossible to not slip right in.

So basically, listening to the big head isn't so much fun. Maybe later down the line when I get to that point in life where I decide that there isn't much to lose, I'll listen to the little head more? Getting older has both upsides and downsides. One of the major upsides is that once you've acheived everything you wanted to acheive, its a lot easier to just live in the moment.

Of course therein lies the rub. Since often times the high acheivers are never satisfied, and even when they are, the physical ability or ones situation in life makes living in the moment or enjoying certain activities, that much more difficult.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2412834]Congrats on all the good action. I would, however, caution you on the bareback sex. Aside from the obvious STD issues, I would really be concerned that some of them are looking for you to be a baby daddy. If you are doing this raw, I would hope you have been clipped. That can be something that can cause you to lose 1/2 of what you own really quick. You get one of these girls pregnant and something bad is going to happen. I would also suggest you figure out a budget you can afford for this and pretty much stick to it. When you over extend it does not take long to empty the pockets. Also, NEVER give up the sugar until the end. If they want it up front then they have exposed themselves as being UTR not a SB. If they insist on it up front, do not be afraid to walk. You can avoid the scam that way.

Be careful and be safe.[/QUOTE]

With the end of March comes the report. It's been a quiet a month with other real life events taking precedent and the need to keep the SO off my scent. As previously mentioned, I had been working two pots to try to add them into the rotation. More details on that later, but long story short, things are not going as planned.

SB7 had been in touch earlier in the month begging for dates. Attractive young spinner, with very low maintenance and dating requirements. Unfortunately, with the exception of a great BBBJ, she is a bit of a dead fish in bed. I had to push back on a few of her earlier date requests to make time for the two pots I was trying to add to my rotation. She has since gone dark. Although out of fairness to her, I contacted her for a late night FC session request after things went south with a pot. I had considered putting her on retainer (e. G. Throwing a little cash her way) to make sure she stays available for me in these kinds of situations, but decided that her level of skill in the FC isn't worth it. Especially in light of my limited availability and the amount of new girls that join SA every month.

Had two sessions with SB8. Sex with this one is intense. The last session was a multipop extravaganza. Things got so loud that the neighbors in the room next to us called the front desk to ask her to keep things down since they have children. After the second round she was begging me to take her bareback. And while I took advantage of that by rubbing myself on her in every possible way, I decided against it since I don't need anymore children.

Pot 1 was lined up for a FC trip. I was very excited since the night before, she indicated that we were definitely on the same page. Dinner reservations were set and hotel prices in the area dropped the night of the FC. Two hours before we are set to meet for dinner, she cancels. Her excuse was that she changed her mind about that we agreed to when we talked about it at the prior m&g. She wanted more than double the agreed upon date allowance. Funny thing is that I have regularly provided the allowance she was requesting, but sent her the thanks but no thanks email response, wished her luck, and told her to contact me if she ever changed her mind. In my opinion, I prefer not letting a pot start from a position of negotiating power, and will not let them use third vag as leverage. Besides, if she doesn't want the allowance I am going to give to her, there will be others that will be more than happy to take her place. As always I had not booked the hotel so the only thing lost was the minor expense of the prior m&g.

After the last minute cancellation, I turned to pot 2 and set up a date with her. It turned out to be an even bigger mistake. We had previously agreed to a hotel date with private time together, and so when she said she was available last minute for dinner, I thought we were off to the races. Took her out and as the meal is ending, she gets an emergency text from a friend. I was irritated, since I had made it clear that I wanted some private time, but decided to let it go. As we are leaving though, she asks for some financial help, and "promises" to see me the next day. I let her know that I am happy to help her, and will give her her allowance after having some private time like we agreed. She says that she can be available later that night and should be able to take care of the emergency her friend is in within an hour.

At this point, with so many red flags, I know that I should have walked, but my time away from my SO is precious and I didn't want to waste the evening. I give her the hotel address and let her know that the option is hers. She arrives at the hotel an hour later, and I book the room. What a mistake. We get to the room and relax a bit. I open a bottle of wine, and she gets comfortable watching tv. In order to move things along, I offer a massage and begin to strip her down. The top comes off, but next thing I know she is telling me that she has her period. I let her know that there are plenty of other things we can do.

Long story short, the night ends with me having blue balls (ergo the last minute call and text to SB7 that went unreturned). Pot 2 texted with an apology for the lack of intimacy later, and I have made it clear that if she wants to be a part of the rotation, she will need to prove herself. She has asked for a redo on our private time, and I have countered with initial requirements that she first send me pictures of herself that please me, and then will require a car date. The only saving grace of the night was my decision to cut the allowance I gave to her so significantly that it was what I would have spent on a lap dance at a club.

I know, some of you will wonder why I gave any sugar at all, but I wanted to avoid a public meltdown at the hotel and at least I got to play with her exposed jugs. Besides, I have informed her that if she wants the rest, she will have to earn it. Giving her someting proves that I am not a deadbeat, leaving open the possibility that she may make it in my rotation in the future. Granted, I'm not sure that I want her in my rotation anymore, but for a nominal amount, she may be nice to have around in case of a future flake. I like to keep all options open.

On a final note, the night of double dissappointment, I went back through my roladex and messaged a few pots that I didn't have time to follow up on. I have a new pot in play. A tall busty brunette. She is in her upper 20's, and has been on SA for years. This leads me to beleive she may have a few miles on her, but based on her pics she is hot. Working on setting up the m&g to see where this one goes.

Happy hunting fellahs.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2413192]Couldn't have said it better myself. That being said, I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to bareback some of these young ladies. When they do the stripper slide, or are begging to have me rub it on them uncovered, its damn near impossible to not slip right in.

So basically, listening to the big head isn't so much fun. Maybe later down the line when I get to that point in life where I decide that there isn't much to lose, I'll listen to the little head more? Getting older has both upsides and downsides. One of the major upsides is that once you've acheived everything you wanted to acheive, its a lot easier to just live in the moment.

Of course therein lies the rub. Since often times the high acheivers are never satisfied, and even when they are, the physical ability or ones situation in life makes living in the moment or enjoying certain activities, that much more difficult.[/QUOTE]Noticed this is pretty common with some younger SBs. One my first M&Gs lead to FC shortly after cocktails. This girl was begging me to bareback. She was even trying to rub me inside. She keep telling me she wanted me to cum inside her. Enticing as it was I passed. I grew up in the Magic Johnson era of HIV, which probably decreased my volume of sex over the years. Maybe nowadays the SBs see it different. I can recall a few that were not insistent on strapping up.

"Am I the only one that finds this strange? I look rather young for most guys my age (late 30's). What's the angle here guys?" Hoya.

You are date material since you are within that 15 yr window. One of the brothers had that same circumstance and when he broke it off the entire family was pissed. Do not EVER meet the family. Young SDs have a big advantage over us old geezers since the attraction factor is more natural in the order of things.

Car dates: Several of you report car dates. Hollywood, what type of car works for a satisfactory experience? The one time I did it the girl was skitzy and I was anxious as well. I can just see the headlines now. "prominent businessman caught exposing himself in the church parking lot ".