Non Pro's

[QUOTE=Paradigum;7220183]Does negotiating work? I realize I may have been paying a bit more by simply giving what was asked for. But that was when what was asked for was reasonable. 1 K is quoted now more than ever and doesn't include more than an hour or two. Was just quoted 2. 5 k this week for an evening with a 40+yo. WTF?[/QUOTE]It can work. If they ask for an high amount I just tell them that it's out of my comfort level. Usually they will ask what I'm willing to give and then we can negotiate from there. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. If they ask for an outrageous amount I usually just tell them that they are out of my budget and thank them for their time, usually that's the end of the discussion but occasionally they will come back with something more reasonable or contact you again weeks later once they have had a reality check and realize that what they were reading on Reddit is pure fantasy.

This one used to be my sugar baby, but she's more of a UTR / pro now, and just moved to Seattle, so I definitely won't be seeing her again. Awesome in bed and has a creampie fetish. Message me for more info.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=72820631&showCurrent=0&from=discover&isExtendUser=0[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dagener;7220099]She unlocked her private photos and she's smoking hot. Has anyone had the pleasure?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/28ccc84c-74e3-4b53-ba74-726e7c7373be[/URL][/QUOTE]Since most can't see any photos.

[QUOTE=Paradigum;7220183]Does negotiating work? I realize I may have been paying a bit more by simply giving what was asked for. But that was when what was asked for was reasonable. 1 K is quoted now more than ever and doesn't include more than an hour or two. Was just quoted 2. 5 k this week for an evening with a 40+yo. WTF?[/QUOTE]If it's close to what I'm comfortable with it will negotiate. Let's say they ask 500 I will counter with 3 but if I like them settle for 4. If we both like each other I can normally get them for 2-3 for following visits.

Anyone ask 1 k or more is delusional and living in a fantasy land. I don't see a point of negotiating with them. If they agree there not going to be happy and be into you.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9473d10b-88f6-4b86-9b37-d40576107bbb[/URL]

Do not engage with this one. Offers incall, gives you an amount that is hard to turn down. Scheduled an appointment with her for a certain day. Day before, she asks for a deposit. She will claim she needs the money for some tequila from Safeway LOL. It's a small amount ($40), so I was willing to take the loss.

Showed up the next day, demanding the rest of the payment (Via paypal). She will not meet you unless she gets the payment. Obviously too many red flags, so I left. Apparently a deposit is not enough LOL. And cash is not good enough.

Whether she is fake or not, these are the kind of people you do not want to engage with. (ie. Online payment, asking for deposits, alcohol?, etc.).

[QUOTE=SocratesRvng;7203948]I have a few in the my lineup: two early 20's; one is trailer park bred and the other is educated but neurodivergent but a freak. I also have one mid-30's in Bellingham, and numerous one-offs of various ages. All are bbfscip / cia / swallow. All are under 400, majority of them are in the 200, one is only 100 and that one now has a girlfriend who doesn't like me creampie-ing her pussy so I'm required to CIA (this is the trailer park one). They are all over that site.

If they quote you something ridiculous, don't take them seriously and move on, let them get offended. If they quote you something a bit more reasonable, discuss what the details of that arrangement look like to them; time, activities, dos and donts. Nail it down completely because if you don't, they will try and pull a fast one and waste your time. Look for newer accounts, ones with "New Member" on them. A lot of times they are novices to the site and heard about it from a friend; they likely don't know the ropes yet.

If you get negotiate a decent rate, they'll likely grandfather you in. You risk them disappearing though if they are trying to refresh their rates but, oh well. Throw that yoke off and find another.

So-Crates.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ultimate90;7220597][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9473d10b-88f6-4b86-9b37-d40576107bbb[/URL]

Do not engage with this one. Offers incall, gives you an amount that is hard to turn down. Scheduled an appointment with her for a certain day. Day before, she asks for a deposit. She will claim she needs the money for some tequila from Safeway LOL. It's a small amount ($40), so I was willing to take the loss.

Showed up the next day, demanding the rest of the payment (Via paypal). She will not meet you unless she gets the payment. Obviously too many red flags, so I left. Apparently a deposit is not enough LOL. And cash is not good enough.

Whether she is fake or not, these are the kind of people you do not want to engage with. (ie. Online payment, asking for deposits, alcohol?, etc.).[/QUOTE]I found her unreasonable more than a year ago, too. Like she has moments where you're convinced (1) this is a real person (2) you might want to hook up with her. But she goes nuts and makes herself totally untenable.

If you are going to play in this pool, the best way to keep things safe and sane is to sit down and think about what the maximum amounts you are comfortable donating are. And stick to the maximum amount you settle on.

I don't like to discuss prices in messages and if an SB brings up prices or quotes prices at that point it is Not A Good Sign. Best to make some polite conversation, quickly switch to SMS or Snapchat and get a bit acquainted. Then arrange for a face to face meetup, usually over a meal. If they can't close the deal and make a meeting within a few days (a week at the most) then just move on. At such a meeting we might directly move on to more intimate activities, or at least discuss how we'd want those activities to go down and what fair compensation would be.

I think this works better because you aren't explicitly treating them like a Ho -- which always makes them happy at very little cost to you. And happier girls are generally much less expensive. Once they've met up with you they are also a little more invested and more likely to negotiate compensation with you in good faith. I've found that the ones asking really high prices are either using that as a graceful way to say, "No, not with you" or are just holding out until their Prince Charming shows up. Most of the ones who are asking high prices won't ever agree to a face to face meeting like this without compensation being set beforehand anyway.

That doesn't always work (really, nothing in this game always works) but on the average is the least bad way to go about it. For me.

And the more you treat 'em like a Ho the more they will treat you like a Customer.

[QUOTE=MeatKing;7220272]This one used to be my sugar baby, but she's more of a UTR / pro now, and just moved to Seattle, so I definitely won't be seeing her again. Awesome in bed and has a creampie fetish. Message me for more info.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=72820631&showCurrent=0&from=discover&isExtendUser=0[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing her, she looks pretty cute, if only other hot girls reacted to a "mid-life crisis" at 30 by jumping on a sugar site for casual sex Yeah, I guess some of them do decide it's they like the money and the sex and it's a good way to make some extra cash LOL.

If anyone is looking for other ladies in the Seattle area, these ones seem to be looking for some help. I usually have good luck with single moms and ones in their late 20's, and I look for things in their profiles that sound like they are looking to meet up for something casual. Here are a few I just found now:

DollfaceNeko, 32, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73543454&nsp=1[/URL]

"Currently 21 weeks pregnant. Single mother I am in desperate need of more funds. Rust me with your bdsm, NSFW" (single mom looking to make some cash are my kryptonite).

Shesdivine, 25, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73552416&nsp=1[/URL]

"hosting or coming to you wouldn't be a hassle" (the one under 30 who can host are rare).

Annalove, 35, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73555593&nsp=1[/URL]

"European trained ballerina. Sensual, flexible, and eager to please. ".

Nia, 19, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73525315&nsp=1[/URL]

"not interested in a serious relationship. Looking for someone who is a Dom".

Kaylalove, 19, Bellevue.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73630445&nsp=1[/URL]

"looking for my sugar daddy. 19 years old and always down for adventures!" (has several updates to her Moments. Good sign).

Mindyouryogi, 34, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73624855&nsp=1[/URL]

"Performer from Seattle. Serious about meeting" (stripper maybe?

A lot of these girls are on Seeking as well as SDM so I included the pictures if anyone recognizes them from there.

[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7220808]If anyone is looking for other ladies in the Seattle area, these ones seem to be looking for some help. I usually have good luck with single moms and ones in their late 20's, and I look for things in their profiles that sound like they are looking to meet up for something casual. Here are a few I just found now:

DollfaceNeko, 32, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73543454&nsp=1[/URL]

"Currently 21 weeks pregnant. Single mother I am in desperate need of more funds. Rust me with your bdsm, NSFW" (single mom looking to make some cash are my kryptonite).

Shesdivine, 25, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73552416&nsp=1[/URL]

"hosting or coming to you wouldn't be a hassle" (the one under 30 who can host are rare).

Annalove, 35, Seattle.[/QUOTE]Did you chat with any of these ladies or just repeating what they wrote on their profiles?

[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7220808]If anyone is looking for other ladies in the Seattle area, these ones seem to be looking for some help. I usually have good luck with single moms and ones in their late 20's, and I look for things in their profiles that sound like they are looking to meet up for something casual. Here are a few I just found now:

DollfaceNeko, 32, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73543454&nsp=1[/URL]

"Currently 21 weeks pregnant. Single mother I am in desperate need of more funds. Rust me with your bdsm, NSFW" (single mom looking to make some cash are my kryptonite).

Shesdivine, 25, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73552416&nsp=1[/URL]

"hosting or coming to you wouldn't be a hassle" (the one under 30 who can host are rare).

Annalove, 35, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73555593&nsp=1[/URL]

"European trained ballerina. Sensual, flexible, and eager to please. ".

Nia, 19, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73525315&nsp=1[/URL]

"not interested in a serious relationship. Looking for someone who is a Dom".

Kaylalove, 19, Bellevue.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73630445&nsp=1[/URL]

"looking for my sugar daddy. 19 years old and always down for adventures!" (has several updates to her Moments. Good sign).

Mindyouryogi, 34, Seattle.

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?tid=af100011222-m&userId=73624855&nsp=1[/URL]

"Performer from Seattle. Serious about meeting" (stripper maybe?

A lot of these girls are on Seeking as well as SDM so I included the pictures if anyone recognizes them from there.[/QUOTE]Have you met or fucked any of these chicks?

Hahaha yeah. I guess it doesn't usually happen that way. I mean, this one had done the sugar thing for a while, which probably just primed her for the way she responded to the the midlife crisis I guess. Anyways, here are her private pics too.

[QUOTE=BerolLoz;7220784]Thanks for sharing her, she looks pretty cute, if only other hot girls reacted to a "mid-life crisis" at 30 by jumping on a sugar site for casual sex Yeah, I guess some of them do decide it's they like the money and the sex and it's a good way to make some extra cash LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bronco62;7220927]Have you met or fucked any of these chicks?[/QUOTE]I'm sure. Haha.

[QUOTE=Ultimate90;7220597][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9473d10b-88f6-4b86-9b37-d40576107bbb[/URL]

Do not engage with this one. Offers incall, gives you an amount that is hard to turn down. Scheduled an appointment with her for a certain day. Day before, she asks for a deposit. She will claim she needs the money for some tequila from Safeway LOL. It's a small amount ($40), so I was willing to take the loss.

Showed up the next day, demanding the rest of the payment (Via paypal). She will not meet you unless she gets the payment. Obviously too many red flags, so I left. Apparently a deposit is not enough LOL. And cash is not good enough.

Whether she is fake or not, these are the kind of people you do not want to engage with. (ie. Online payment, asking for deposits, alcohol?, etc.).[/QUOTE]Don't recall the details but I had a similar experience a while back. Hot and heavy messaging, we agreed to meet, a bit before meeting started to ssk for money. Next.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;7220648]If you are going to play in this pool, the best way to keep things safe and sane is to sit down and think about what the maximum amounts you are comfortable donating are. And stick to the maximum amount you settle on.

I don't like to discuss prices in messages and if an SB brings up prices or quotes prices at that point it is Not A Good Sign. Best to make some polite conversation, quickly switch to SMS or Snapchat and get a bit acquainted. Then arrange for a face to face meetup, usually over a meal. If they can't close the deal and make a meeting within a few days (a week at the most) then just move on. At such a meeting we might directly move on to more intimate activities, or at least discuss how we'd want those activities to go down and what fair compensation would be.

I think this works better because you aren't explicitly treating them like a Ho -- which always makes them happy at very little cost to you.[/QUOTE]I'm trying this same tactic more or less. If they ask for M&G money, block. If they won't go to txt, block. I set up a in person meet. My current one never asked for money when we met, but she did mention what another daddy had shared with her in the past. No, " I expect, my worth" bs. We went straight to a play space and I passed her a reasonable gift that was in the same neighborhood of a local good time pay for play but without the timer or barriers. She's been cool (it won't last LOL) but since she never asked expressly for money, when she's a good girl I'll sometimes give more. Some times a bit less. I like to play dress up dolls so she can get a little outfit to model. These types of deals are almost non-existent these day due to IMO simping and female delusion. But you can find a decent time every now and again. I showed my work in a previous post.

Show your work men! Haha.

Peace.