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Need some help from the seasoned veterans here. I'm just trying to figure out how to get started on this SD / SB route. I've seen escorts, etc. But want something more long term and meaningful. I signed up on Seeking (which I assume is the main one here). But I have so many questions.

1) How do you know who is legit vs a scammer? There isn't a place for reviews or anything.

2) How do you schedule the first meeting? Assume it's like a lunch or dinner date. Do you compensate them for their time or just pay for dinner? Isn't compensating for a M&G violating the terms?

3) What are the going rates? No one publishes rates anywhere? For a multi hour tryst? For an overnight? For a week trip to Hawaii?

4) Do you pay a monthly allowance and agree on visits? Or can you pay for each time. Whether it's a short thing or a long thing? Seems like paying for each visit, irrespective of time, violates terms and could get you banned.

5) Any other questions I haven't thought to ask?

Really appreciate some guidance.

1. Use common sense. Figure out what you want. A slightly lower cost professional, or a compensated girlfriend. It sounds like the latter which requires more effort and for you to suck less but costs less money. My advice focuses on the latter, other guys can give advice on the former. Don't send money before meeting. Pay them the first time when you are heading to your place or hotel to fuck.

2. Talk to them like a normal woman you meet on a dating site. Unless you are a huge piece of shit. Then act like less of a piece of shit. Don't talk to them like an escort, there is a reason these girls aren't on Tryst. Do not mention compensation on the website. At the right time try and move the conversation to text where you can be more explicit but talk about it Over text in terms of "I'm down to provide financial assistance in an arrangement, what way sounds good to you?" and try and get to a per-meet based arrangement where you give them X every time you see them whether it is a quickie or an overnight. Any sort of compensation is against the terms which is why those conversations happen in person or over text. You do not pay for M&Gs because those girls are just going to take your money and not fuck you.

3. If a girl has per-hour rates she is an escort. There are plenty there, that is fine. Dudes here will claim to have 20 year old college hotties on call 24/7 for $100 a chili's gift card and 3 cigs every meet but more realistically it depends on what you want and how much you want to haggle. I go after 20-30 year old girl next door types and rarely get turned down at $500 with people new to this using it as compensated dating. If you spot a hot as fuck gal who has been on the website for 3-4 years prepare to pay escort rates because she knows she can get it just from fewer dudes. If you can afford it and want to fuck her once, go for it. But if you want something consistent just move on. Her needs ain't getting lower just because you have a budget.

4. Any compensation violates the terms do not talk about it on the website. Once you pass their "I'm willing to maybe be around this person and fuck them" test you can try and take things past messaging. "I'm willing to spoil you" "I want to hear about your needs" etc sends a signal that you aren't trying to be their vanilla boyfriend. Make a pass at getting a phone number, if you can't then you decide whether its worth it to meet them in person and try to discuss it there. Always start per-meet, dropping an allowance on a girl in advance is how to get scammed. Once you've been per-meet for a few months you can decide on whether to move to allowance. I have bandwidth to meet someone about once a week, and once a girl makes it clear they want to see me more than that and / or go on vacation / work trips with me I have a conversation about giving an allowance where I expect to see them about once a week and we should do the occasional weekend away or vacation without having to talk about money every time. When you find the gal who thinks going on vacation with you for no additional money is worth it, congrats you have a perfect SB. About to spend a week in Europe with my current one for the price of a plane ticket and some dinners. This is rare, and if you are a horrifying human being (looks or personality) it will get harder. My current one invites me out social events and is practically just my second partner who takes less of my money than the first one. She looked at me like I was insane when I offered to give her more money to go to Spain with me. Once you hit that level of interest from her its allowance time so you can hit each other up to fuck at any time without needing to worry about your budget. Still give them gifts and do nice things for them.

5. Think about the personality of a 20-something girl and try and become the person they want to date, just a little older and uglier. I hear so many horror stories from SBs about their SDs going on dumb political rants or acting like a 40 year old version of a 20 year old incel whining about men's rights and how hard vanilla dating is. Keep that shit to yourself and go to therapy unless you just want to date the bottom of the barrel desperate SBs who will put up with anything. Try and have shit in common with them or you are never going to make it to the spoiled girlfriend stage and I don't know why you would want to get there with someone you don't actually want to do stuff with.

[QUOTE=Dukie5555;7185349]Need some help from the seasoned veterans here. I'm just trying to figure out how to get started on this SD / SB route. I've seen escorts, etc. But want something more long term and meaningful. I signed up on Seeking (which I assume is the main one here). But I have so many questions.
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[QUOTE=Dukie5555;7185349]Need some help from the seasoned veterans here. I'm just trying to figure out how to get started on this SD / SB route. I've seen escorts, etc. But want something more long term and meaningful. I signed up on Seeking (which I assume is the main one here). But I have so many questions.

1) How do you know who is legit vs a scammer? There isn't a place for reviews or anything.

2) How do you schedule the first meeting? Assume it's like a lunch or dinner date. Do you compensate them for their time or just pay for dinner? Isn't compensating for a M&G violating the terms?

3) What are the going rates? No one publishes rates anywhere? For a multi hour tryst? For an overnight? For a week trip to Hawaii?

4) Do you pay a monthly allowance and agree on visits? Or can you pay for each time. Whether it's a short thing or a long thing? Seems like paying for each visit, irrespective of time, violates terms and could get you banned.

5) Any other questions I haven't thought to ask?

Really appreciate some guidance.[/QUOTE]I like to call a duck. A duck. It maybe that I am just jaded, but, my strategy has served me well. SA is not what it used to be, it is filled with scammers, pros and wannabe pros. I for one treat the people there accordingly. My time is valuable and I am the one paying, so I make sure I am upfront. I do not (as a rule) pay for taking a SB out for dinner or a date. I mean if I wanted to go out for dinner, I do not have a shortage of women or men (better conversation in my opinion) that will accompany me and pay their own way. I am upfront. I am a busy man, I travel a lot and do this to let my hair down and relax. So I let them know that I am interested in meeting for a few hours of fun in a room somewhere I will compensate them for their time. Many like this strategy and many women don't. Plenty of fish in the sea. I for one. Skip any profile if the lady looks too high maintenance or gives me the impression that she is a hot mess. I mean if I wanted drama, I would stay home and fuck my wife.

[QUOTE=LonelyMan718;7183419]Just a warning they keep those verification photos and use them to validate banned accounts. I had an account banned and tried to create a new one with a new browser and VPN and my account was empty. After an hour my new account was banned. I assume they have humans do the verification process against a list of banned profiles.[/QUOTE]OK, so I'm thinking about this.

1) Clear cache and cookies.

2) Perhaps go ahead and delete / reinstall browser.

3) Use VPN.

4) Use payment mechanism that has no name attached, e. G. Virtual card number which won't verify name or working visa gift card or auth user account.

5) Never selfie verify.

6) Upload very few pictures, ambiguous face.

7) Filter any uploaded pictures.

8) Wait 6 months. They don't keep messages, perhaps they purge everything?

Any other ideas?

Hello gents,

I've been leaving Seeking alone as a last ditch option because I hate their fees and the number of fakes you encounter. I've had great success finding younger cute ladies on Fetlife for FWB arrangements.

Had a 24 year old girl come over yesterday for three hours of DFK, BBJ, DATY and BBFS and three shots for $$ Itty bitty girl, that reminds me of a ballerina. She was down for anything and can take an absolute pounding (I'm 8 inches and she took it like a champ). GND face, great rack and a ballerina's figure. Hit the jackpot with that one.

Advice is to reach out to them, be friendly and see if they will meet you in public for the possibility of P4 P. If it goes well, then you can set up the next date where you bang her out good.

Met another lady through a buddy who has already agreed to BBJ and DATY for $$ Will meet her later this week and report back. Itty bitty Latina with not an ounce of fat on her. Would be curious if anyone other members have had Fetlife finds.

Just something to consider if you are tired of dealing with the fakes and GPS of folks on Seeking.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;7185610]I like to call a duck. A duck. It maybe that I am just jaded, but, my strategy has served me well. SA is not what it used to be, it is filled with scammers, pros and wannabe pros. I for one treat the people there accordingly. My time is valuable and I am the one paying, so I make sure I am upfront. I do not (as a rule) pay for taking a SB out for dinner or a date. I mean if I wanted to go out for dinner, I do not have a shortage of women or men (better conversation in my opinion) that will accompany me and pay their own way. I am upfront. I am a busy man, I travel a lot and do this to let my hair down and relax. So I let them know that I am interested in meeting for a few hours of fun in a room somewhere I will compensate them for their time. Many like this strategy and many women don't. Plenty of fish in the sea. I for one. Skip any profile if the lady looks too high maintenance or gives me the impression that she is a hot mess. I mean if I wanted drama, I would stay home and fuck my wife.[/QUOTE]Completely the way people should treat this as well. And same dynamics for me that have helped to not get into the fakes, scams and pros / semi pros on SA or Fet.

[QUOTE=Snake93;7185674]Hello gents,

I've been leaving Seeking alone as a last ditch option because I hate their fees and the number of fakes you encounter. I've had great success finding younger cute ladies on Fetlife for FWB arrangements.

Had a 24 year old girl come over yesterday for three hours of DFK, BBJ, DATY and BBFS and three shots for $$ Itty bitty girl, that reminds me of a ballerina. She was down for anything and can take an absolute pounding (I'm 8 inches and she took it like a champ). GND face, great rack and a ballerina's figure. Hit the jackpot with that one.

Advice is to reach out to them, be friendly and see if they will meet you in public for the possibility of P4 P. If it goes well, then you can set up the next date where you bang her out good.[/QUOTE]Uhhh, you're paying? I have been off of Seeking for the past month because I have been racking them up on Fetlife for free! It's a kink site; the people who are on there are looking to fulfill kinks, first and foremost. No one should be paying on that site. Now, that's not to say there aren't the ones on there who are selling it but there is far more opportunity to break away from the hobby and have some fun gratis.

I've met up with this 18 year old (varied and turning 19 next week) in Wenatchee who just wants to be bred. Like, that was literally what they were looking for, to be bred / filled in each hole. That one's "mistress" wants me to fuck her at Tubs and fill her up. Met a petite-something who wants to be bred and is coming from Portland for it in a week. Found an older lady from Vancouver who wants me and my buddy to DP her and fill her up this weekend. Found another older women who I met last week who is an absolute sub and is into free-use and I went over to her nice house in Renton to fill up each hole.

Don't pay LOL. I see guys old, young, slim to fat on there getting pussy because there is someone for everybody on there. I only come back to the hobby because it is only slightly easier to get pussy; on Fetlife, you have to hold more discussion to get to the meetup while on Seeking, I let the money do the talking for me.

So-Crates.

[QUOTE=SocratesRvng;7186832]Uhhh, you're paying? I have been off of Seeking for the past month because I have been racking them up on Fetlife for free! It's a kink site; the people who are on there are looking to fulfill kinks, first and foremost. No one should be paying on that site. Now, that's not to say there aren't the ones on there who are selling it but there is far more opportunity to break away from the hobby and have some fun gratis.

I've met up with this 18 year old (varied and turning 19 next week) in Wenatchee who just wants to be bred. Like, that was literally what they were looking for, to be bred / filled in each hole. That one's "mistress" wants me to fuck her at Tubs and fill her up. Met a petite-something who wants to be bred and is coming from Portland for it in a week. Found an older lady from Vancouver who wants me and my buddy to DP her and fill her up this weekend. Found another older women who I met last week who is an absolute sub and is into free-use and I went over to her nice house in Renton to fill up each hole.

Don't pay LOL. I see guys old, young, slim to fat on there getting pussy because there is someone for everybody on there. I only come back to the hobby because it is only slightly easier to get pussy; on Fetlife, you have to hold more discussion to get to the meetup while on Seeking, I let the money do the talking for me.

So-Crates.[/QUOTE]Always on point. I've been doing the free sites too, now I prefer to deal with a little bs than pay for GPS h*es.

[QUOTE=SocratesRvng;7186832]I've met up with this 18 year old (varied and turning 19 next week) in Wenatchee who just wants to be bred. Like, that was literally what they were looking for, to be bred / filled in each hole. That one's "mistress" wants me to fuck her at Tubs and fill her up. Met a petite-something who wants to be bred and is coming from Portland for it in a week. Found an older lady from Vancouver who wants me and my buddy to DP her and fill her up this weekend. Found another older women who I met last week who is an absolute sub and is into free-use and I went over to her nice house in Renton to fill up each hole.
[/QUOTE]The always wise Socrates. Any advice for the groups on Fet to look for? My experience with Fet has always been a girl would post on one of the groups then get absolutely swarmed by 100's of guys. Do you have some sort of method to strike first? LOL. Also, I've got a wife at home so not being able to share pictures probably doesn't help my chances much either.

TIA.

[QUOTE=RobertoRoboto1;7187412]The always wise Socrates. Any advice for the groups on Fet to look for? My experience with Fet has always been a girl would post on one of the groups then get absolutely swarmed by 100's of guys. Do you have some sort of method to strike first? LOL. Also, I've got a wife at home so not being able to share pictures probably doesn't help my chances much either..[/QUOTE]See, that's your problem right there, you're looking in the wrong place. I'll give you a secret, the posts by females are spotted by anything walking with a johnson between their legs. Look for comments on men's posts and couples posts. Especially, couples.

Why Couples? Female posts are usually for attention (shocker) - I doubt anyone every gets anywhere with those (they usually have OF in their profile and you know its to try and sell you on that). Males posts, you are competing against the poster. But Couples posts, single women who comment on couples posts love the security of the husband being taken and the husband is too preoccupied with the wife to ever make the single ladies their main pursuit. If you see a female in the comments, you know she is active and is looking for something. Don't respond to her in the post, go to her profile, actually read it. A lot of times, they give you a way in with their profile text or if you'll be wasting your time, and then send her a DM. Be Direct but have tact.

Sorry to say but having pics increases your chances. The good thing is, Fet doesn't require them to be face pics. So, post them and don't be shy. You may even get a like or two from a lady (happened to me) and you can DM them and make something happen.

Now, go off and be merry, my son!

So-Crates.

[QUOTE=Dirk901;7185005]All,

Looks like she been around for awhile. Anyone seen her? Pro?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5709f051-0cc9-46b6-96f8-6f60995dbcd6[/URL][/QUOTE]I did an unpaid M&G with her and we made out a bit in the parking lot.

Did not get pro vibes but she is very money driven.

She is the girl in the pictures but they are well done pictures. We had fun, She is intelligent, good looking with a pleasent personality.

We did not talk amounts until after the M&G, her expectations were a bit high. I counter oferred and she did accept but did not read all that happy.

As the ones at my regular rotation at the time, were better looking and did not complain about the arrangement amount, I decided to pass.

[QUOTE=DelToro;7187857]I did an unpaid M&G with her and we made out a bit in the parking lot.

Did not get pro vibes but she is very money driven.

She is the girl in the pictures but they are well done pictures. We had fun, She is intelligent, good looking with a pleasent personality.

We did not talk amounts until after the M&G, her expectations were a bit high. I counter oferred and she did accept but did not read all that happy.

As the ones at my regular rotation at the time, were better looking and did not complain about the arrangement amount, I decided to pass.[/QUOTE]Great report, thank you! Would be interested to know her expectations. She's also on Fet Life and has started an OnlyFans account. She's on the hustle for some cash!

[QUOTE=SocratesRvng;7186832]Uhhh, you're paying? I have been off of Seeking for the past month because I have been racking them up on Fetlife for free! It's a kink site; the people who are on there are looking to fulfill kinks, first and foremost. No one should be paying on that site. Now, that's not to say there aren't the ones on there who are selling it but there is far more opportunity to break away from the hobby and have some fun gratis.

I've met up with this 18 year old (varied and turning 19 next week) in Wenatchee who just wants to be bred. Like, that was literally what they were looking for, to be bred / filled in each hole. That one's "mistress" wants me to fuck her at Tubs and fill her up. Met a petite-something who wants to be bred and is coming from Portland for it in a week. Found an older lady from Vancouver who wants me and my buddy to DP her and fill her up this weekend. Found another older women who I met last week who is an absolute sub and is into free-use and I went over to her nice house in Renton to fill up each hole.

Don't pay LOL. I see guys old, young, slim to fat on there getting pussy because there is someone for everybody on there. I only come back to the hobby because it is only slightly easier to get pussy; on Fetlife, you have to hold more discussion to get to the meetup while on Seeking, I let the money do the talking for me.

So-Crates.[/QUOTE]So-Crates, I respect your hustle man, for sure. That said, I'd rather pay these young, slutty girls that would give it up to me bareback and hang out for a couple of hours instead of these GPS hoes. There, we agree. I pay because I typically don't have access to young, early 20's spinners and I want to cut the line in front of all the other dudes with their dicks in their hands.

While the fun, you describe is indeed available free of charge, I'm limited on time. Don't have the time to be these chatting up and getting these girls horny for what are very likely to be one-off encounters. The pay + vibes + good dick keeps the young, attractive spinners coming back with limited effort from me, which is my ideal outcome.

Now don't get me wrong, I have played with my fair share of hot wives, older women and swingers across multiple sites free of charge, but sometimes you want that young spinner bouncing on your dick. Everyone want those girls, so I pay to cut the line.

[QUOTE=SocratesRvng;7187764]See, that's your problem right there, you're looking in the wrong place. I'll give you a secret, the posts by females are spotted by anything walking with a johnson between their legs. Look for comments on men's posts and couples posts. Especially, couples.

Why Couples? Female posts are usually for attention (shocker) - I doubt anyone every gets anywhere with those (they usually have OF in their profile and you know its to try and sell you on that). Males posts, you are competing against the poster. But Couples posts, single women who comment on couples posts love the security of the husband being taken and the husband is too preoccupied with the wife to ever make the single ladies their main pursuit. If you see a female in the comments, you know she is active and is looking for something. Don't respond to her in the post, go to her profile, actually read it. A lot of times, they give you a way in with their profile text or if you'll be wasting your time, and then send her a DM. Be Direct but have tact.

Sorry to say but having pics increases your chances. The good thing is, Fet doesn't require them to be face pics. So, post them and don't be shy. You may even get a like or two from a lady (happened to me) and you can DM them and make something happen.

Now, go off and be merry, my son!

So-Crates.[/QUOTE]It's typically good practice to avoid the posts by the single chicks posting for attention and promoting their Only Fans. Yeah, there trying to make a living, that doesn't mean I have to watch! Couples are the shit! The husband manages the comms and makes the woman feel safe. You go over there, fuck the shit out of his wife / GF and leave him to deal with her afterwards. It's a pretty good deal.

Also, make friends with the cool guys you meet at events. Women in Seattle have real trust issues, so if you receive a warm intro from a guy she's already fucking, alot of that work will be done for you.

Also, you're going to need pics (preferably body and cock pics) to get the lady's mind going and her pussy wet. But yes, going to and reading her profile is very good advice. I would also take a look at her activity to see what gets her going. She gets at minimum 10-20 messages a day from idiots who want to meet and fuck. If you come at her with something you have in common from her profile, that and your pics may help you stand out.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=PriceIsRight39;7185217]LOL. 48? She should pay you! Delusion is strong with that one.[/QUOTE]I bet she is on a Sugar Baby Reddit. There is a lot of "girl, ask for 10 k for a M&G" on there. Unimaginable allowances. But there are guys who do it. Friggin ridiculous.