"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

The passive SB I started seeing at the tail end of last year is out of the picture. Her communications had slowly been deteriorating until one day she just finally stopped responding. I saw on her FB page that she had started seeing a new BF a week or two before our last date, so I thought that may have had something to do with her going silent. But now I see her on SA most every day, so I suspect she was displeased with me and / or current arrangement. She was far from being the best SB I ever had, but her expectations were low and she was likable, she just needed to work on her FC skills a lot. Can't say I miss her too much, in all honesty.

So a few weeks later, I signed up for SA again and started using HWG's 5-step method. So far I've had a lot of no responses (but they have my email addy in my initial message, so one never knows when they may decide to reach out and contact me after my SA sub lapses). I've had a few that progressed past the initial messages but never lead to any M&G.

One success I did have with the method led to a first-timer SB who lived about an hour away. M&G led straight to FC. Fun time was had by both of us, I felt there was genuine chemistry and connection. I thought for sure she'd be a great SB for quite a while. Fast forward a couple of weeks later and following a long and complicated series of events I won't go through here, she ended up taking an advance from me and taking off. I have frequently given this advice to the brothers who ask if they should give an advance to a girl: "Listen to your gut and follow your instincts". The two times before this I had given advances to other SBs, it worked out just fine, but not this time. My big head was telling me not to trust this girl and that she was going to rip me off, but I ignored it and went ahead anyway. So now I'm minus the advance (which wasn't all that much) and she's minus getting sugar on very regular basis. And since she has no job, her theft hurts her a lot more than it does me. What are some of these girls thinking?

In the meantime, I'm still trying HWG's suggested method, but my area is a shallow pool to fish in. I have been talking to a really sweet girl who lives about an hour away. Was supposed to M&G this weekend, but she had to cancel and she seemed genuinely upset about it. Hopefully next weekend then.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2399489]
In the meantime, I'm still trying HWG's suggested method, but my area is a shallow pool to fish in. I have been talking to a really sweet girl who lives about an hour away. Was supposed to M&G this weekend, but she had to cancel and she seemed genuinely upset about it. Hopefully next weekend then.[/QUOTE]Just an FYI. Every girl I have met in the last 6 weeks has been using the 5 steps. I am going to keep doing this until I find a better way. Of course I do customize when needed to fit the situation. But mostly (like 90%) its by the book.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2399545]Just an FYI. Every girl I have met in the last 6 weeks has been using the 5 steps. I am going to keep doing this until I find a better way. Of course I do customize when needed to fit the situation. But mostly (like 90%) its by the book.[/QUOTE]I have no doubts at all that the method works, brother. And I thank you for posting it and sharing it with the rest of us! If my area was less conservative and had deeper waters to fish in, I have no doubt I'd be rolling in the sugar babies.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2399557]I have no doubts at all that the method works, brother. And I thank you for posting it and sharing it with the rest of us! If my area was less conservative and had deeper waters to fish in, I have no doubt I'd be rolling in the sugar babies.[/QUOTE]I did so a search for someone on here recently and did see the pickens were a lot slimmer in his area. I am sure in those cases the girls do want more cash and less pressure.

The cross legged girl just emailed me her phone number. I found her IG and can see she is a clothing designer and a HYM. All looks very normal. Now I got my hopes up.

And she is a spinner. Got to stick to what works. The lips girl turned out to be a pro. Big surprise. So I shined her on.

Curious what the average term is with a SB before you guys call it quits. I had a great month with the first SB that I gave a monthly allowance. She was an absolute 10 in bed, but things are starting to fade. The chemistry was great, she seemed good with the cash I provided and the dinner dates. For a minute, it seemed like we were actually dating. I've noticed her communication has started to fade. I'm not sure if it's because our agreement didn't meet her specifications or if she got a higher offer.

My rule of thumb is to never ask a SB about other guys, but I suspect she has another SD. She goes dark some times. Not that I pry or make inquiry, but I picked up on the vibe. I'm deleting her from my contacts and moving on. I've noticed lots of new POT in my area. I suppose the hunt begins again.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2399488]Very pretty body! Did you find her on SA Hollywood? I'm not local to her but would love to see her face if she shows it on her listing.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e5fdb4f8/view?interests-favorited-me[/URL]

She was down for $$ no problem. If she was an SB I would have had to seriously consider her. But that is a dream.

Went on a failed M&G last night with an older but petite Latina. It wasnt totally wasted as it was very near my ATF who is still on her cycle but that didn't stop us from having a one hour makeout session in the car before I went home. Our relationship has progressed to the mutual "I love you" stage. Something I know is abhorrent to most of the brothers here. But it's what I actually strive to achieve in any LTR with my SB's. I know all the arguments against that. But the greatest one for it is the quality of the sex. It cant help but improve. Risk and reward. Its a balancing act for sure. Also being single it doesn't carry the same weight that it would for someone with an SO.

The very lithe ballerina pictured a few posts back is messaging me this morning. She is a true NP first timer. One reason I like these younger girls. How much mileage can they possibly have at 18 or 19? I know a lot of guys will say they cant be any good in the FC. But that is many times only due to inexperience. If a girl has natural ability and the desire to learn they can be a superstar for daddy. And this girl has already expressed an interest in doing just that. Many star athletes are very young, this is no different, being their coach and mentor only solidifies the bond between SD and SB.

More yucky stuff a lot of guys would run from. LOL. But if you are just gonna find em, fuck em, and forget em. Well that seems like a waste to me considering all the time it takes to find the "right" one. And yes you will have to kiss a lot of (insert any term you like) before you find your princess.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2399557]I have no doubts at all that the method works, brother. And I thank you for posting it and sharing it with the rest of us! If my area was less conservative and had deeper waters to fish in, I have no doubt I'd be rolling in the sugar babies.[/QUOTE]I have been out of the bowl for quite a while, and only show up on this forum sparingly.

Could a brother be kind enough to point me to this infamous method? I will start going back the pages and see if I can find them, but if you have a post# that would be a huge help.

Thanks.

HollywoodGuy.

Just sent this one on her way. We did 90 minutes in the FC bare for the usual $. IDK if my ATF has ruined me or that she wasn't my type exactly. But I wasnt really running on all 8 cylinders today. I rarely bang in the daytime. But anyway I did my best, although I went up and down a few times. She was very sweet and got me hard again each time. She is very submissive but a bit too passive (or maybe just not enough experience).

This spinner white girl is what I like! It goes to show that we each have our own needs, wants, and styles.

HoyaSvnFgr.

Curious what the average term is with a SB before you guys call it quits. I had a great month with the first SB that I gave a monthly allowance. She was an absolute 10 in bed, but things are starting to fade. The chemistry was great, she seemed good with the cash I provided and the dinner dates. For a minute, it seemed like we were actually dating. I've noticed her communication has started to fade. I'm not sure if it's because our agreement didn't meet her specifications or if she got a higher offer.

The Babies are doing the same thing we are --always looking. Plus they also have SOs, BFs, and other SDs. Probably she found a better deal (I am looking for that elusive FB, who is content with meeting me in the FC for an hour or two.

My Drive is satisfied with twice / week. My performance is dictated by chemicals. Actually, if the Dick is hard the drive is there LOL.

So my full on Sugaring approach is based on the time and financial availability, which at the moment is one to two times / week. Chemically, I can sustain an erection for 3 hours strait, but can only Cum once. I've never had the luck / skill to have multiple O's. How nice would that be? I read that many of you guys are able to do that. So after delivering my load I lose the desire to keep on even though the hard on continues. As JL said, power pounding allows me to delay orgasm for a long time. If she likes it and responds with appropriate screaming and hollering I love it. But I personally slow it down to a slow sensual pump with deep and passionate kissing when I am ready to let the big dog eat. Often I would Cum, then continue in multiple positions --whatever my SB needs and wants to get her nutt (s) . Fortunately (for my needs) I have never had a Baby whose needs far exceeded mine. I like delivering multiple O's to her delaying mine until I am ready to finish it and she seems satiated.

As always YMMV.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2400446]My Drive is satisfied with twice / week. [/QUOTE]FYI blood pressure medicine can cause ed and lower your testostorone levels. Found this out the hard way. Diuretics turned me into a spaghetti noodle kinda scary.

Went out and saw the cross legged girl from yesterdays post. We met in a public place and I could see her coming from a block away with that perfect pixie body of hers. All 5'4' and 102 lbs of it looking like my dream come true. A 25 year old island girl. We went for a quick bite and then drove till I found a quiet deserted spot nearby. This led to a 2 hour makeout session in the car with lots of OTC action. She said she was on her period and that she hadn't shaved. So it was a double no go. In the end I gave her 40 for a wax and a planned FC date for midweek.

No matter how many girls I see, when I find a tiny spinner with awesome kissing skills its game on. She is an SB with one prior SD that ended a year ago. Hasn't had sex in 2 months, so I am expecting a wild ride. I give her an 8 all around so far. We talked a lot about sex and I also told her about having a couple other SB's as we had the condom discussion as well. But we are all good and ready to rock.

After yesterdays lackluster performance in the FC I can see it was all about the chemistry. This girl today had me hard just off her kissing skills. A young guy could get hard looking at Macys ads for Juniors. But this old timer needs the total package.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2400434]This spinner white girl is what I like! It goes to show that we each have our own needs, wants, and styles.[/QUOTE]Her body is fine. Its more about her skills and personality. She may have a better body than the girl below, even though they are the same height and weight. The white girls is more evenly distributed with a very flat tummy. But the girl today was like ooh la la over the top sexy sexy sexy. Just having a cute white girl riding on top while I reach around and deeply finger her ass isn't always enough.

This is why it works when it works. Just got this now.

"A $100 a date is completely reasonable and makes sense considering you are looking for a connection with someone".