"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2398524]I limit myself to once a day. One to two hour sessions. If I do that I am good for about 20-25 times a month. If I went all night, I would have to take a day or two off. Quality over quantity these days. Plus I try to get to sleep by midnite, every nite. Tomorrow I have an FC date at noon. And a M&G at nite with a tiny milf. Hope shes tiny. LOL. And who knows what she is gonna want to do.[/QUOTE]We all slow down and that's a reality I'm facing myself. My current SB, literally can go non stop. The only way I can be assured I might have a chance at a needed break, is to literally make sure her pussy is sore for a day. No, not so much with my cock, as it's not that huge, but a combination of finger the living shit out of her, toys and fucking her hard. It actually pisses me off a bit when I run into these girls who never can get enough and feel totally content. As in they just cum forever and never stop. While it's great for ego mid way, to think how you're giving some girl all these screaming O's as I huff and puff and gasp for air after an hour of fingering and fucking the shit out of her and finally allow myself to cum, out of a necessity to simply get some oxygen, and then ten minutes later she's fingering herself, screaming, "fuck my pussy, I need your cum" it sucks to realize in that moment what you would not give to be 22 again.

Fortunately, most of these girls do not require that sort of attention to feel satisfied, but fuck, I seem to keep running into them.

I mean, these nympho girls are great, but honestly, sometimes the ones that have a few intense O's and lay their in the afterglow and want to be cuddled are nice.

So my SB had to cancel this week because her mother was sick and she couldn't get away (she lives at home 18 yo college student). I was ok with that and understand. I happened to check SA today and in the town where I see my SB a new gorgeous 18 yo pops up. I had let my subscription to SA expire so I couldn't contact her. Today was chatting with my SB and asking her what she wanted to do since we missed our normal date. She doesn't have much time this weekend and just wanted to meet for a couple of minutes at a truck stop for some car action. I really wasn't into paying for just a couple of minutes. In between texting her I noticed the new girl on SA and wondered if they might know each other. I snapped a photo from SA and sent it to my SB asking do you know her. In her profile it says they go to the same community college. In less than 2 secs she responds ,"yes that is my best friend."I texted I assume you know she is on SA. She texted back "Yes- I told her about it!!LOL." Immediately my mind started working. I texted that opens up some interesting possibilities. She typed back she is not like that. I went on texting my SB and we set up a makeup time on Monday. I texted her you should talk to your friend- threesomes could be fun! She immediately typed back- what would be the benefits for us. $$ She wanted to know how much. I shot her a number slightly higher than normal and the same amount for your friend. Within about 10 minutes my SB texted back,"OK She is in and will come with me on Monday! " Wow!! Two 18 year old beautiful girls--I may have a MI but I would go happy!! Hoping I can get some photos, my SB doesn't care, hoping the new girl will just take her cues from my SB and not say a thing!! Going to be hard to wait until Monday! I do think this is something this newer generation of girls just see it as a way to make some extra cash.

So my SB had to cancel this week because her mother was sick and she couldn't get away (she lives at home 18 yo college student). I was ok with that and understand. I happened to check SA today and in the town where I see my SB a new gorgeous 18 yo pops up. I had let my subscription to SA expire so I couldn't contact her. Today was chatting with my SB and asking her what she wanted to do since we missed our normal date. She doesn't have much time this weekend and just wanted to meet for some a couple of minutes at a truck stop for some car action. I really wasn't into paying for just a couple of minutes. In between texting her I noticed the new girl on SA and wondered if they might know each other. I snapped a photo from SA and sent it to my SB asking do you know her. In her profile it says they go to the same community college. In less than 2 secs she responds yes that is my best friend. I texted I assume you know she is on SA. She texted back Yes- I told her about it!!LOL. Immediately my mind started working. I texted that opens up some interesting possibilities. She typed back she is not like that. I went on texting my SB and we set up a makeup time on Monday. I texted her you should talk to your friend- threesomes could be fun! She immediately typed back- what would be the benefits for us. $$ She wanted to know how much. I shot her a number slightly higher than normal and the same amount for your friend. Within about 10 minutes my SB texted back" OK She is in and will come with me on Monday! " Wow!! Two 18 year old beautiful girls--I may have a MI but I would go happy!! Hoping I can get some photos, my SB doesn't care, hoping the new girl will just take her cues from my SB and not say a thing!! Going to be hard to wait until Monday!

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2398653]We all slow down and that's a reality I'm facing myself. My current SB, literally can go non stop. The only way I can be assured I might have a chance at a needed break, is to literally make sure her pussy is sore for a day. No, not so much with my cock, as it's not that huge, but a combination of finger the living shit out of her, toys and fucking her hard. It actually pisses me off a bit when I run into these girls who never can get enough and feel totally content. As in they just cum forever and never stop. While it's great for ego mid way, to think how you're giving some girl all these screaming O's as I huff and puff and gasp for air after an hour of fingering and fucking the shit out of her and finally allow myself to cum, out of a necessity to simply get some oxygen, and then ten minutes later she's fingering herself, screaming, "fuck my pussy, I need your cum" it sucks to realize in that moment what you would not give to be 22 again.

Fortunately, most of these girls do not require that sort of attention to feel satisfied, but fuck, I seem to keep running into them.

I mean, these nympho girls are great, but honestly, sometimes the ones that have a few intense O's and lay their in the afterglow and want to be cuddled are nice.[/QUOTE]I know. Be careful what you wish for right?. I went from my x, the stripper princess (who was mostly smoke and not enough fire), to my current ATF who is always on fire. Although we have finally found our groove.

Here is one amazing catch I just started messaging. Just a little back and forth so far. I am trying to get her to consider me. Another dancer. I should be so lucky. And she lives right nearby. The real dancers are tough. All they do is practice and they seem to mostly be introverted/shy? At least around me. IDK. So far no real luck.

This is a topic that probably every SD thinks about. Well every male thinks about it at some point, but what I mean is SDs think about it more because of the age difference between ourselves and those we are banging.

What I have found personally over time is that our sexual performance and our sex drive are two completely different things that may not even be linked at all. Maybe it varies on an individual basis? In my own case, I feel like my sexual performance is affected by a number of things, but the #1 factor is my exercise performance. As long as I exercise "optimally", I feel I perform my best. What is "performance"? Well, being able to fuck with the same enthusiasm that *I WOULD LIKE TO*. Do you see what I did there? I differentiated performance from drive again. How I do it, and how much I want to do it are two different things. Won't I be happiest, or at least feel the best, if I maximize both? In other words, feel like I want to fuck constantly, while being able to deliver the goods just as often?

Well human limitations aside (I. E. We all get overworked, tired, distracted, stressed with life's issues, etc). I can only relay to the fellowship of the bowl my own experiences, and that is that my own sex DRIVE seems to be 80/20% psychological, while my PERFORMANCE seems to be 80/20% physical.

I've never used performance enhancing drugs (not yet). Maybe I will someday. Some guys 20 years younger than me use them. I don't think it was an option for me at that age. The drugs themselves may have existed, but I didn't pay enough attention to them because I figured if I wanted to fuck my dick would get hard, and if not it wouldn't.

I've told myself the time to try them would be when my drive outweighs my performance ability. If my performance ability outweighs my drive, there's no deficit, right? I mean, it implies I can do way more than I want to do. But, if I my drive outweighs my ability to perform, Houston we have a problem. Maybe chemicals can then help?

So, here I want to focus on two different things. First, actual performance.

I once asked a SB (one that I never had a M&G with) if she preferred younger or older guys. She said "just for sex I like guys my age because they fuck me harder. Sometimes older guys are too gentle. But for overall boyfriends I like older guys -- it's more than just a sexual attraction, it's how they make me feel overall".

As I said, I never fucked that particular one -- but, if I know they like to be fucked hard, I fuck them hard. Not all women or SBs like this, though. Someone recently wrote about women always wanting whatever they don't have, and that more accurately reflects what I've found. When I was younger, I experimented a lot. Do they like it hard and fast or slower and sensual? It's all over the map, and no matter what you will meet a certain percentage of girls who tell you that everything you do is perfect, and you'll meet a certain percentage that complain at every possible opportunity.

Even if it hasn't been discussed, some of them are quick to let you know what they want, grabbing your ass cheeks upon the first really vigorous thrust and encouraging a good hard fucking early on. To me, this is somewhat of a let down, because unfortunately I've found that faster, more vigorous motion tends to have kind of a numbing effect on me (or I should say on the nerve endings in my cock). If they want me to go all night without being able to cum, this is a good approach. But for me, a certain amount of rough, robotic pounding just starts to feel too mechanical (even with position switch ups), and before I know it I'm stuck with a stiff cock that feels like it got an injection of Novocain.

Then again, it depends on the girl, the mood, the amount of alcohol we've both had. HWG talked about make-up fucks after a fight--good times can be had here, and sometimes a fight leading into a sort of an aggressive hate-fuck can be very exciting. But, making hard-pounding a routine can get boring just as any other predetermined formula for sex can.

Back to what we, as SDs need to do.

Performance -- I feel this is directly related to exercise and circulatory health. Building your endurance at the gym pays off big time in bed, not just in the direct ways you might think. By this I'm talking pure cardio-related stuff, running / cycling / etc. Think about your heart as the engine that powers the drive train (your cock). All of the other types of exercises (lifting weights etc.) help with that too (assuming you don't do it to the point of injury), and maybe certain types of muscle exercises help more than others, but ultimately you need good blood flow and a heart that can keep up with the boner, so try focusing on that.

Drive -- This is almost certainly enhanced by the exercise I mentioned above. I know that I definitely get hornier more often when I'm in better shape than when I get slack. But, low drive in itself isn't really a problem, is it? If you don't want it as bad, then especially for those with an SO, is that really a problem? I mean, it is our drive that gets us into problems in the first place, right? I said before, performance is mostly physical and drive is mostly psychological. This means that if your drive is working overtime but your life or finances do not support what your drive wants you to do, your solution is probably easier than you think. Modify your way of thinking and it's problem solved. If your drive is already through the roof, but your performance does not support the level of your drive, then it's a problem worth trying to solve. I would just suggest solving via exercise before chemicals.

The biggest problem I've found in my SB travels is simply one of timing. During my last SB season, I had my first-ever M&G that didn't end up in the FC. And, it was a blue-ball experience because I wanted her bad. So the next morning I got a table shower / tuggy at an AMP to alleviate my stress from the night before. That night, I met the SB of all SBs and had an all-nighter with her. I was good for two rounds, my energy level was not up to hers because I had blown the big load in the morning. How can I prevent something like that from happening? I had no idea the second SB would show up at all, much less be a 10 across the board. I can't prevent that from happening. Timing is as timing does.

So, I'm not here to badmouth performance enhancers. I've already conceded they may be in my future. I've been curious about them for ages. But, I feel like once I go that route, I have one less reason to bust my ass at the gym. Most of the time, once we introduce a physiological change via an external chemical, we become dependent on that chemical to produce future similar results. How many people use ED drugs once or twice to get past a rut, then never use them again? Almost nobody. This is the whole intention of the pharmaceutical industry. So, for that reason, I see these as a last resort for me. I will not take them in order to make feel like fucking. I might take them in order to make me fuck like I did when I was younger, but I'm not going to take them just so I can revisit feelings I had when I was younger.

Slowing down is going to happen to all of us, eventually. To me, it's all about putting that day off as long as possible. So far, exercise has been my savior. I like it because I have an actual measurable metric to compare my current self to my younger self. I know how much weight I could lift when I was 20. I know how far and fast I could run. Right now, I can still match my physical performance from those days (maybe I'm pushing myself closer to death without realizing it, but at least I can match the numbers). When I see those measurable metrics change, then I will know it's time to decide to either enslave myself to the mad scientists and CEO extortionists of the pharmaceutical industry, or simply re-adjust my own definition of happiness to accept aging gracefully.

My drive exceeds my performance. Technically I could have a babe or two a day for the rest of my life. Maybe I,m blessed. But hey this is L. A. The land of unending pussy. Always has been always will be. So now what?. I aim to keep my drive high but temper it with the thought of outrageous pussy bills I don't want to pay. I don't really work out anymore but I have almost zero body fat (like 15%) and do a lot of stair climbing everyday. Watch a bit of live porn and talk to a lot of girls on a daily basis.

So I figured out I can throw a good fuck (like an hour say) 20-25 days a month. At one point I was on HGH, Test cream and vitamin see daily. And still am, minus the HGH (costs 1 k-2 k a month at a USA pharmacy). So my performance is adequate. All my SB's are amazed. LOL. I usually just end it due to boredom. An hour of fucking is enough. Throw in a half hour or so of oral and I am done.

For the SB, an hour of sex from an older guy is 5 times better than any amount time with a younger guy. They just don't know the lay of the land. So I feel I am balancing it all to the best of my ability. This is a real quality problem for sure. Now its come down to the quality of my partner as well. She has to have skills, looks and personality for it to be an optimum experience. My ATF has sworn to suck my dick as much as I want whenever I want, to make sure I don't fall down on the job. It's very helpful. Like if she has a big O and needs a rest she can do it while sucking so there is no break in the action.

A new girl may have to do less, but over time she is going to have to lend a helping hand (or mouth and tongue) here and there. I have always been very pro drug use. When I was young I used illegal drugs to enhance the experience. Now I don't take those anymore and just stick to what the DR ordered. Of course with an ATF or reliable provider you know what you are going to get and that helps me to be ready as well. They know what I want and need. Probably any half decent looking spinner will have a similar effect.

So if I take my prescriptions, and only fuck spinners with good skills and personality, then I am fine. Also in my case a lot of role play and dirty talk work wonders as well. But I really do measure the time between sex so as to get the most out of it. And yeah sometimes I have to totally stop for a day or two.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2398635]It really is amazing how much information some of these girls put out there. I always conduct an internet background check if the m&g turns into something more. I want to know whether the girl is being remotely honest, or whether she will be sending a text to her friends with our hotel room number and a four of her guy friends show up knocking on the door while I am in mid act. There was one pot who had a Facebook page with a profile pic of her kissing a guy with a shotgun. I presumed it was her boyfriend or husband. I cancelled the m&g.

Along the lines of the discussion thread related to private and public persona though, some of these young ladies have public social media profiles that would make you wonder how they ended up on a sugar daddy site. I think someone mentioned it before, but it really does seem like it is becoming some sort of rite of passage for these young girls. Bagging a SD appears to be on the list of things to check off the list, like hooking up with another girl, etc. , while these girls are in college or before they get married.

Recently though I've found that sometimes running across a girl's fb page can be distracting. For example, when a 19 year old's biological dad posts on a the SBs fb page about how proud he is of her. I've found that it can be slightly jarring when that 19 year old is begging you to try anal for the first time.

When that happened, I thought to myself, I am probably just as proud of this sweet young thing as her biological dad, just for very different reasons.

Happy hunting gents.[/QUOTE]Now this is funny. I almost spit my coffee out when I got to the biological dad part.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2398919]Now this is funny. I almost spit my coffee out when I got to the biological dad part.[/QUOTE]Yes it is funny, and I've actually seen similar (biological dad posting about how proud he was of his princess). I wanted to post an SD follow-up to his comment that said "I agree, I'm pretty proud of her too".

I bet a lot of these younger girls are thinking this. Pulled it off this girls twitter I saw the other day. "I just wish I could meet a guy my age that was cute & wealthy & not socially awkward".

And there you have it. Once they totally get over the fact that its not likely to happen. They stay in the bowl.

Thought you were due an update. Especially since I just met this girl yesterday. After months. To be fair, I was out of town for much of it. She texted me several times asking for $ because she was so desperate. I didn't respond to them immediately, and when I did I told her everything would be okay and to hang in there. And when I return we will get together and I will help her out.

We had a long text chain where she was asking me what my visit to her place would entail. What she should be ready for? It was occasionally flirty but not overtly. So I finally make it over to her tiny studio and call her to let me in. She's crying. She asks for 5 more minutes to get ready and if I could pick her up an energy drink from the store because she has been up all night. I do.

Once inside, she sobs and tells me about her woes (again) and how she just wants to create her art and nobody supports her. I console her with a gentle back rub and stroke her hair and the back of her neck. She is still putting on makeup while crying. I tell her everything will be okay and offer her suggestions about ways she can generate a revenue stream. Modeling and stuff. But she will have to be patient because those avenues take a long time to travel. I ask her how she is making an income now. And she says she dances once a week and hates it. Bingo.

Now I've been there 30 minutes and she has to walk her dog, so I go with her. She is wearing a tight dress and heels and walking this little dog around the neighborhood and turning heads, because she is tight. We get back to her place and she thanks me for helping her out and offering suggestions and asks if I can please keep her in mind for any job because she doesn't have any money at all right now and her car died, so she can't even get to the strip club. And starts crying again and asks for a loan. I reassure her again and tell her I don't give loans and usually when I help a girl financially, we are either dating or in an intimate relationship, even if it is just FWB. Then she says the seven words we all love to hear.

"What I need is a Sugar Daddy".

Without hesitation, I take her hand and look in her eyes and say "I can be that for you. ".

It perks her up. She tells me how she will do anything if she just had five thousand dollars so she could concentrate on her art. I told her yeah, that's not going to happen. She asks how much and I tell her between 500 and 1200 a month depending on the frequency of how much she can meet. How many times would we have to meet for 1200? 3 times a week. And she gets out her calculator app on her phone. "I make three times that dancing at the club!" I responded that she should just work at the club more then. She sighed and asked if I could leave her money today, and I said yes. Then she got up to change into a little pink teddy. She easily is one of the top five hottest chicks I've ever been with. When she released those 38 DD natural boobs she said "these are worth more than 300 a week" and I replied "regardless, that's what the market supports. ".

To be honest, it was a little awkward. She wasn't relaxed. Her place is tiny and uncomfortable. Afterward, she promised she would get better and was grateful for the gift. I was grateful too. She is built like a super-hero. 38DD-28-38. Amazing. Anyway, just wanted to share and say "thanks" for the help.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2320822]I would just say something like "I have helped out a few girls with their problems over the years, even financial ones, but we were dating. I,m not saying that's what you had in mind, but I just wanted to put it out there.

If that seems a little too forward, lets just have a look at those bills and see if we can prioritize them in a way that's not so scary. But I'm interested if you are".

And then shut up.

Sounds like something a little too close to civi dating and I doubt I could pull this off. But the cut to the chase approach works a good percentage of the time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2399264]I bet a lot of these younger girls are thinking this. Pulled it off this girls twitter I saw the other day. "I just wish I could meet a guy my age that was cute & wealthy & not socially awkward".

And there you have it. Once they totally get over the fact that its not likely to happen. They stay in the bowl.[/QUOTE]Exactly. They're not going to find it.

Had my first M & G last night with my teen. I can't do the scale because I can't recall where I saw it at in past pages. Anyway a spinner. About 5'3" at best and 100 lb. Cute little thing. Mature for her age, which was nice. I guess when your first job was at 14 one tends to grow up fast. Rents a house with her girlfriend. How many teen girls are that responsible? I was impressed. Went out and had Chinese food then back to her place. Talked a little then got right to it. Tight little thing. Had to be careful not to hurt her, and I'm not hung like a horse either. Just tight pussy. She's a keeper. Not an airhead either. Tonight a pot first M & G again with the other teen I mentioned the other day. I couldn't wait til Monday. Pushing for a tonight meet up. I changed my mind on the Monday meet. Got to strike while the iron is hot. These young ones as we know have a high tendency to flake.

Just sent this one on her way. We did 90 minutes in the FC bare for the usual $. IDK if my ATF has ruined me or that she wasn't my type exactly. But I wasnt really running on all 8 cylinders today. I rarely bang in the daytime. But anyway I did my best, although I went up and down a few times. She was very sweet and got me hard again each time. She is very submissive but a bit too passive (or maybe just not enough experience). I could train her slowly to follow my script and she did her best, but for now I am undecided. About 5'4" 100 lbs, 19 and a nice girl. About a 7 all around. I might maybe see her again as she drives and just came straight to my house. No drama from her. Just not all that I need to be really turned on. Probably need to stick to the black girls to really keep me going. I really didn't want to see her at noon. But that was the only time she could make it and I just had to see how I felt about her. She has an interesting appeal. I guess the chemistry wasnt all there even though I wanted it to be.

I was going to start a spreadsheet and check my biorhythms and see if that had any effect on my desire. And then how my performance was in relation to that. This week I find I am just a little down. Whenever that happens I get all paranoid and think, OMG this is it, I am officially over the hill, but then I bounce back a day or two later. I dont wanna get too hung up on my ATF. So the search continues. My three regulars are an eclectic and congenial group. Not a hater or jealous one in the group. I could get a big house in vegas (its so damn cheap to live there) and then live with all three of them and start some kind of internet reality show. LOL

Here are two willing POTS. Miss crossed legs (kinda bony the way I like em) says she is good for a $ (looks to be a real SB). The other one (UTR) says $$ for the first date and then a $. Thats not likely to happen but she has some awesome lips. White girls just don't have the lips. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2399415]Just sent this one on her way. We did 90 minutes in the FC bare for the usual $. IDK if my ATF has ruined me or that she wasn't my type exactly. But I wasnt really running on all 8 cylinders today. I rarely bang in the daytime. But anyway I did my best, although I went up and down a few times. She was very sweet and got me hard again each time. She is very submissive but a bit too passive (or maybe just not enough experience). I could train her slowly to follow my script and she did her best, but for now I am undecided. About 5'4" 100 lbs, 19 and a nice girl. About a 7 all around. I might maybe see her again as she drives and just came straight to my house. No drama from her. Just not all that I need to be really turned on. Probably need to stick to the black girls to really keep me going. I really didn't want to see her at noon. But that was the only time she could make it and I just had to see how I felt about her. She has an interesting appeal. I guess the chemistry wasnt all there even though I wanted it to be.

I was going to start a spreadsheet and check my biorhythms and see if that had any effect on my desire. And then how my performance was in relation to that. This week I find I am just a little down. Whenever that happens I get all paranoid and think, OMG this is it, I am officially over the hill, but then I bounce back a day or two later. I dont wanna get too hung up on my ATF. So the search continues. My three regulars are an eclectic and congenial group. Not a hater or jealous one in the group. I could get a big house in vegas (its so damn cheap to live there) and then live with all three of them and start some kind of internet reality show. LOL[/QUOTE]Very pretty body! Did you find her on SA Hollywood? I'm not local to her but would love to see her face if she shows it on her listing.