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[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2396112]FM. Pearls of wisdom. As soon as she gets what she wants, she won't want it. She probably has this romanticized idea of what life will be like. As soon as reality sets in, life will become dull for all involved and the cycle will repeat.[/QUOTE]And maybe here lies the answer.
So back to the grindstone. I did a "no sex, no money" M&G with the flag girl that flaked on me last night. We had a pleasant lunch and she was sexy, but 21 not 19. She wasn't jumping into anything too fast either. Maybe see her again.
Also I,ve been on SA long enough to see the level of GPS there is much higher than SD4M. On SD4M I would call $$$ high. On SA it more like five bills to 1 K a date GPS. And some of those girls are 10+'s. So at five I am sure they do get it from time to time or even more.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2396112]FM. Pearls of wisdom. As soon as she gets what she wants, she won't want it. She probably has this romanticized idea of what life will be like. As soon as reality sets in, life will become dull for all involved and the cycle will repeat.[/QUOTE]Aside from everything else, in reality, WTF do these girls expect? They are essentially offering themselves up as sugar babies, selling themselves for us men to revisit our youth, or have the things we never got before. Most estimates suggest over 80% of the men on there have a SO. And then they act all shocked and vengeful when they find out. Did they not ever think the payments, gifts, apartments etc, is to offset this? Do they really have the right to ruin a man's life when they accepted payment for a little fun and making a guy believe he was something again? It's really sort of fucked up when you think about it. The payments, gifts and so on, really should be viewed as a form of insurance by the girl. If she were a legit, true GF, then she would be planning a future based on equal input, equal contributions, doing for her man. The fact they all sit there and say, "I have a pussy, do everything for me" in my opinion gives them no right whatsoever to come back on any man and ruin everything he has worked for. It's total bullshit. If she was an equal contributor in every way, a true partner, that is different.
I agree with Jez here, mutually assured destruction is really the way to go.
I agree, a logical human being would understand that most guys on these sites have SOs. In my limited experience though most women are more emotional than logical. What makes it worse is that a majority of the women on these sites also have mental issues that makes them even more unstable than the average woman.
So just like SBs should assume the SD they are meeting is married, SDs need to go into the game assuming that a pot is mentally unstable. If you go into the game with any other expectations, you are liable to be burned one way or another.
Just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2396997]Aside from everything else, in reality, WTF do these girls expect? They are essentially offering themselves up as sugar babies, selling themselves for us men to revisit our youth, or have the things we never got before. Most estimates suggest over 80% of the men on there have a SO. And then they act all shocked and vengeful when they find out. Did they not ever think the payments, gifts, apartments etc, is to offset this? Do they really have the right to ruin a man's life when they accepted payment for a little fun and making a guy believe he was something again? It's really sort of fucked up when you think about it. The payments, gifts and so on, really should be viewed as a form of insurance by the girl. If she were a legit, true GF, then she would be planning a future based on equal input, equal contributions, doing for her man. The fact they all sit there and say, "I have a pussy, do everything for me" in my opinion gives them no right whatsoever to come back on any man and ruin everything he has worked for. It's total bullshit. If she was an equal contributor in every way, a true partner, that is different.
I agree with Jez here, mutually assured destruction is really the way to go.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2397126]I agree, a logical human being would understand that most guys on these sites have SOs. In my limited experience though most women are more emotional than logical. What makes it worse is that a majority of the women on these sites also have mental issues that makes them even more unstable than the average woman.
So just like SBs should assume the SD they are meeting is married, SDs need to go into the game assuming that a pot is mentally unstable. If you go into the game with any other expectations, you are liable to be burned one way or another.
Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Totally agree, but I would make a small correction to your statement regarding the pot vs. Average woman and mental problems. I would posit that a high percentage of all American women have mental problems and instability. I blame it on the fact that all of our laws coddle the American woman like she is this fragile angel from heaven that must be babied. It has made the women weak, self serving, and entitled. That is why I went to China to find a SO back in the day. Any and all American women IMO will do a 180 degree on you and cut your throat and then cry fowl that you hurt her feelings and our society falls in line looking at us like men are heathens. I really don't have a lot of patience for the bull* these women pull in the bowl. I've seen my share of flakes in the bowl. I surely don't have a problem screwing one over if it suits me, because all too often they will do it in a New York minute. Just my two cents.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2397356] I surely don't have a problem screwing one over if it suits me, because all too often they will do it in a New York minute. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]Or a Hollywood second. LOL. I am sure I have never intentionally screwed any girl over. But shit happens, usually to me. Anyway I been working the teens on SA. So far I really just have one that I like and will see her again Saturday. I haven't really made any instant connections yet, although my first date with her was pretty hot sexually. So she is in the lead so far. Hope to get a couple pics of her to post. Supposed to see the tiny dancer tomorrow. She is so cool (brrrr). Hope I can warm her up. But in seven years of doing this I have always done best with the ones that seemed to go easy. Most of my game is right up front or in the FC. So if I get stuck in the middle somewhere it can get a little awkward for me. But our date tomorrow is an FC date. No regulars to see this weekend so I need to just get out there. I finally 100% officially broke up with my MILF of 3 years. In the bowl that must be almost a lifetime. In this bowl with these players that is.
HWG you never cease to amaze me with your game.
My small contribution is I have two teens, although one of them turns 20 next week, so I guess it is one teen and one post teen. The teen and I will be in the FC tonight. The post teen I will meet the first time in a few days. Really sweet girl. Fun personality and playful on texting. Calls me Daddy and likes to be dominated. What's funny is to see her picture one would think she is just a sweet young girl. Both hot and am looking forward to it. There are a couple of others in their twenties that are in play.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2397779] Really sweet girl. Fun personality and playful on texting. Calls me Daddy and likes to be dominated. What's funny is to see her picture one would think she is just a sweet young girl.[/QUOTE]Haven't posted in awhile because not much has changed. My SB and I are on a pay-for-certain-expenses arrangement, and she basically considers me a boyfriend. Given recent history on this thread that would seem a red flag, but she has never wavered in demonstrating that she understands that there is no long-term future there. So she is enjoying it while she can, and both of us can only hope that when it ends that the loss will heal quickly. The pain will be on both sides, though my feelings are mostly of simple affection, empathy, and the emotional investment of a mentor. I have made a point to be careful in how I express affection, and she's observant enough to have gotten the message.
Meanwhile, the times in the FC continue to be a fountain of youth. The reason I post now is because I have the same thing going on with the dichotomy of her public appearance versus what happens when the panties hit the floor. You'd really never give this girl a second look if you bumped into her in a grocery store. Not unattractive at all, but very plain place and shy demeanor. If you paid attention you might notice that under the intentionally-not-too-flattering clothing there is one hell of a lithe body, but other than that not much to get on most guys' radar. But holy crap, it's not easy keeping up with this girl.
So I have gone from my cup running over to slim pickin's. Why?
This is what happens when you get caught by the SO. I am in a high risk situation, SO on high alert, money being watched. So I am looking for an UTR who is low volume. And it is hard to find. They are either Hos full on or Princesses who are in the "I'm not a Ho " mode. I still have a 40 yr old 9/9/7/7 who is entertaining and a super nice girl. I could enjoy dating her IRL actually. But I need that 20 yr old BB sexual freak to satisfy that edge. I need her dripping wet, not perimenopausal, screaming and bucking with surprise when her Orgasms sneak up on her, not just -aaah! LOL. You get the picture.
The problem is I can't date. I don't travel for work, and don't have any plausible excuse to be out of touch for hours at a time. You just have to be able to take them out, or at least take them to a nice residence or Hotel, have a glass of wine, and slowly get into the routine. I can't even go pick these college girls up at the Dorm because they don't have a car, etc.
So unless things loosen up I might be phasing out of the Sugar world. But every blue moon I have success finding an SB who is OK with going strait to the FC. So I keep looking.
So my advice to the Board out there is Dont get caught !
Thanks to one of the brothers I discovered how to search FB once I have a phone # and went through my entire black book. 50 % were identifiable and their whole FB profile there for all to see. Real name, family, etc. If only they knew what we can find out. And I'm sure if you sign up for some of these spy programs a lot more is discoverable. I'm sure a lot of you have been doing that already.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2397915]So I have gone from my cup running over to slim pickin's. Why?
This is what happens when you get caught by the SO. I am in a high risk situation, SO on high alert, money being watched. So I am looking for an UTR who is low volume. And it is hard to find. They are either Hos full on or Princesses who are in the "I'm not a Ho " mode. I still have a 40 yr old 9/9/7/7 who is entertaining and a super nice girl. I could enjoy dating her IRL actually. But I need that 20 yr old BB sexual freak to satisfy that edge. I need her dripping wet, not perimenopausal, screaming and bucking with surprise when her Orgasms sneak up on her, not just -aaah! LOL. You get the picture.
The problem is I can't date. I don't travel for work, and don't have any plausible excuse to be out of touch for hours at a time. You just have to be able to take them out, or at least take them to a nice residence or Hotel, have a glass of wine, and slowly get into the routine. I can't even go pick these college girls up at the Dorm because they don't have a car, etc.
So unless things loosen up I might be phasing out of the Sugar world. But every blue moon I have success finding an SB who is OK with going strait to the FC. So I keep looking.
So my advice to the Board out there is Dont get caught ![/QUOTE]I was married before and I know that once you get into a sexual routine with your SO it can be hard to switch it up. When I was married, the attraction level for my SO was always high, so that wasnt an issue. But switching things up in the FC wasn't always so easy. I know that what some "experts" will say though, is to do just that. Easier said than done. But worth a try? I mean if you really are stuck you might have to make the most of what you have.
Shop for some sexy outfits yourself online and surprise her with a night at a motel. Bring the outfits, some food and drink to the room and go for it. Treat her like the little love toy she was when you married her. Just a thought. I'm no Dr. Ruth. And this is a thread about fucking SB's not SO's. But I sympathize. I used to do this about once a month back in the day. And to this day they are still some of the most memorable moments I had with her.
Another tactic, but a more dangerous one, and one I have done with SB's as well, is to start a fake fight so you can have make-up sex. Its a short term fix that never lasts. But hey when you're desperate you"ll do what it takes to get what you need.
I,m bored. LOL. I am trying to be far more selective than in the past. I really need to get back to spinner world. I am so spoiled by my ATF that the bar is just very high right now. She is 25 but acts more like 18 (which I like). I am trying to work all the teens on SA. Soon there wont be any left. But all I need is one or two more like her and I am set for now. I am saving money, but dating less. Today I turned down a date with the tiny dancer just because I need to rest. I hate that. You can't tell a girl "oh sorry, I had too much sex lately". Not a real good come on line.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2398444]You can't tell a girl "oh sorry, I had too much sex lately". Not a real good come on line.[/QUOTE]Heh, I recently had one of those rare opportunities for an overnight that ended up tanking for a multitude of reasons. But I got to say, I'm not sure I could go at it all night like we've done in the past (or at least until 3 AM). Too stressed, too overtired, perhaps too old. Probably a combination of all of the above.
[QUOTE=Walruscl;2398500]Heh, I recently had one of those rare opportunities for an overnight that ended up tanking for a multitude of reasons. But I got to say, I'm not sure I could go at it all night like we've done in the past (or at least until 3 AM). Too stressed, too overtired, perhaps too old. Probably a combination of all of the above.[/QUOTE]I limit myself to once a day. One to two hour sessions. If I do that I am good for about 20-25 times a month. If I went all night, I would have to take a day or two off. Quality over quantity these days. Plus I try to get to sleep by midnite, every nite. Tomorrow I have an FC date at noon. And a M&G at nite with a tiny milf. Hope shes tiny. LOL. And who knows what she is gonna want to do.
It really is amazing how much information some of these girls put out there. I always conduct an internet background check if the m&g turns into something more. I want to know whether the girl is being remotely honest, or whether she will be sending a text to her friends with our hotel room number and a four of her guy friends show up knocking on the door while I am in mid act. There was one pot who had a Facebook page with a profile pic of her kissing a guy with a shotgun. I presumed it was her boyfriend or husband. I cancelled the m&g.
Along the lines of the discussion thread related to private and public persona though, some of these young ladies have public social media profiles that would make you wonder how they ended up on a sugar daddy site. I think someone mentioned it before, but it really does seem like it is becoming some sort of rite of passage for these young girls. Bagging a SD appears to be on the list of things to check off the list, like hooking up with another girl, etc. , while these girls are in college or before they get married.
Recently though I've found that sometimes running across a girl's fb page can be distracting. For example, when a 19 year old's biological dad posts on a the SBs fb page about how proud he is of her. I've found that it can be slightly jarring when that 19 year old is begging you to try anal for the first time.
When that happened, I thought to myself, I am probably just as proud of this sweet young thing as her biological dad, just for very different reasons.
Happy hunting gents.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2397920]Thanks to one of the brothers I discovered how to search FB once I have a phone # and went through my entire black book. 50 % were identifiable and their whole FB profile there for all to see. Real name, family, etc. If only they knew what we can find out. And I'm sure if you sign up for some of these spy programs a lot more is discoverable. I'm sure a lot of you have been doing that already.[/QUOTE]