Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Eajry;3317225]"People just aren't that affiliative. Everyone is working an angle, and in most cases altruism is non-existent. While I don't know you, the behavior I see follows a predictive path. You offer yourself up as a savior to these girls, and when they don't respond appropriately, you become coercive and spiteful. Filling pages of the forum about them, mainly trying to punish them. Example here:

The personality type is very, very easy to identify. It's kinda like the "good guy" angle people play, or I see on tinder, how they're a nice guy and they get a match, don't get a response from their "Hey, what's going on?" message, and proceed to say things "your just like the rest stupid ****, always chasing the ass holes". Like lmao, the most contradicting shit I've ever seen! It's unbelievable. This is no different; its borderline sociopathic even- where the guy doesn't get the response that aligned with their intentions, and proceed to be vengeful, spiteful, and malicious in all there intents, in order to get back at them. All while trying to play this fucking card as if they're doing the right thing to help them. No, ironically you're not. If you want to TRULY help them, you wouldn't see a single, fucking, one of these people. Stop the fucking facade, the only person you're fooling is, at best, yourself.

And if you / really / want to help addicts, guess what, there's places that you can do that! Rooms, service centers, churches, prisons- there are plenty of people on the front line that genuinely need help. They have to be seeking it though. Recovery is for the people that want it, not the ones that need it. But I know you know this, or you should if you're this self-righteous healer and prosperity provider that you assert you are. Your motives are spoken by your actions- and going through a few posts indicates your personality type is easily identifiable as the previous fore mentioned "good guy". It comes down to this cycle, that you quite honestly have probably practiced in your real relationships as well.

Expectation. Motive - Unmet Expectation / Possibly hurt feelings (key) - Spite and retaliation to those that hurt / didn't meet expectations. When you wan't to objectively look at your own actions and own part in any or all of this, you can make progression in correcting your behavior, and possibly even attain a zen moment where you're like "Holy shit, I was in the wrong". Until then, stop the childish posting attacking them (and the mongers that are feeding their addiction! Crowning yourself as this savior is so fake and so absolutely appalling that it's embarrassing and not attractive.[/QUOTE]Well said!!

I'll white knight. I counted 3, with one price discrepancy.

Cite your source for 6 with different fees, if you please.

[QUOTE=Gatty23;3316706]SincyCinnamon might have set a new record for wasting everybody's time checking on ads. She currently has 6 ads posted. Of course they have different fees as well. Why should we visit somebody this desperate or who just doesn't mind wasting our time?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CincyHobbist;3316995]That since BP went tits up and the USA ads have been flooded with new women, that it seems the USA regular ladies have dropped out of the scene?

It almost makes a hobbyist want to find a new hobby![/QUOTE]But I don't think the demise of BP necessarily caused USA ladies to leave. Some of the departed USA ladies had been around a while and may have been looking to cut back or get out of the hobby anyway.

I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3318955]But I don't think the demise of BP necessarily caused USA ladies to leave. Some of the departed USA ladies had been around a while and may have been looking to cut back or get out of the hobby anyway.[/QUOTE]It seems to me that there is a pretty steady turnover of providers, aside from BP getting curtailed.

Alaska Tom.

[QUOTE=Tonk49;3319091]I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you have learned this by now but I always text shortly beforehand to say if agreed time is still ok. If I don't get a response within a certain amount of time I will bail. I also don't travel more than a half an hour tona provider. Some of youndo so you may have other suggestions.

As for your specific situation, I kind of had a similar experience with her recently. Appointment with as at 9, said she slept late and was in the shower. Had to wait until 9:30. Almost left when she said she was ready. Was I annoyed? Yes but for some I can let it slide because her skills are top notch.

I always get a confirmation text before leaving g wherever I'm at. As for text vs calling. Texting is the norm. A lot of the ladies don't have a burner phone but rather use a text app like text now.

The lady you mentioned is fantastic. I saw her once and had a toe curling experience. We were set up for a second session days later and she became the invisible woman. Sounds like that is her norm. She later text to tell me of her problem and why she had stood me up. I thanked her for her call and told her I wouldn't see her again. That was a couple years ago.

[QUOTE=Tonk49;3319091]I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tonk49;3319091]I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]You have to understand, these girls aren't exactly running professional businesses. If most of them could operate in a responsible manner, they would not be doing this for a living. You have to be on top of your game with them.

If you are driving more than an hour to see someone, you absolutely should check before you get on the road. Hell I text when I'm leaving the house before I see a girl 10 minutes away.

I've had almost zero success with trying to schedule a day or more in advance. My best tactic has always been to just ask if they are available that morning. At least then you know they are awake and responding. These girls get dozens of calls and texts. They don't have secretaries. They don't have day planners. They make all sorts of mistakes.

You can't think of this as a regular business. You can keep getting mad because they don't have the same professional manner as your dentist, or you can change your approach and actually manage to see the girl.

[QUOTE=Tonk49;3319091]I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]This is normal for her. I have seen her 2 times first when she was UTR and again after she started posting. Tried a couple times after that and got the run around. As others have said always get a confirmation before leaving. If you are traveling very far always have a couple other providers numbers in the same area so its not a total loss even if they were not your first choice.

[QUOTE=Eajry;3317225]"People just aren't that affiliative. Everyone is working an angle, and in most cases altruism is non-existent. While I don't know you, the behavior I see follows a predictive path. You offer yourself up as a savior to these girls, and when they don't respond appropriately, you become coercive and spiteful. Filling pages of the forum about them, mainly trying to punish them. Example here:

The personality type is very, very easy to identify. It's kinda like the "good guy" angle people play, or I see on tinder, how they're a nice guy and they get a match, don't get a response from their "Hey, what's going on?" message, and proceed to say things "your just like the rest stupid ****, always chasing the ass holes". Like lmao, the most contradicting shit I've ever seen! It's unbelievable. This is no different; its borderline sociopathic even- where the guy doesn't get the response that aligned with their intentions, and proceed to be vengeful, spiteful, and malicious in all there intents, in order to get back at them. All while trying to play this fucking card as if they're doing the right thing to help them. No, ironically you're not. If you want to TRULY help them, you wouldn't see a single, fucking, one of these people. Stop the fucking facade, the only person you're fooling is, at best, yourself.

And if you / really / want to help addicts, guess what, there's places that you can do that! Rooms, service centers, churches, prisons- there are plenty of people on the front line that genuinely need help. They have to be seeking it though. Recovery is for the people that want it, not the ones that need it. But I know you know this, or you should if you're this self-righteous healer and prosperity provider that you assert you are. Your motives are spoken by your actions- and going through a few posts indicates your personality type is easily identifiable as the previous fore mentioned "good guy". It comes down to this cycle, that you quite honestly have probably practiced in your real relationships as well.

Expectation. Motive - Unmet Expectation / Possibly hurt feelings (key) - Spite and retaliation to those that hurt / didn't meet expectations. When you wan't to objectively look at your own actions and own part in any or all of this, you can make progression in correcting your behavior, and possibly even attain a zen moment where you're like "Holy shit, I was in the wrong". Until then, stop the childish posting attacking them (and the mongers that are feeding their addiction! Crowning yourself as this savior is so fake and so absolutely appalling that it's embarrassing and not attractive.[/QUOTE]I read this post and thought, wow this is a good analogy of some aspects of my life. It was well written, intellectual with some truly insightful thoughts and comments. It made me step back and think to the point that I discussed it with a very good monger friend of mine who knows me very well. His comment about it was. "That from an outsiders viewpoint, someone who would read a few of your posts, that would be the normal conclusion of the average reader. However they don't know you like I do and they don't know what you have been through or had to deal with over the past few years. They don't know where your heart truly is".

I then told him what Crissee had texted me earlier that day. I had texted her "I love all the gossip on the Octagon, don't you? I was surprised when she responded, her first response in weeks, with "Yep reading gossip reminds me of the girls bathroom in Jr High. Amazing how spiteful and nasty people get for attention but you got to do what you got to do to fulfill whatever emptiness one may have inside. I don't pay it no mind I don't even read it".

We both reached the same conclusion that it's very possible that this post and her text had some very similar verbiage. A similar analogy. It was also interesting that the monger that posted this has only two other posts in the past two weeks in the mongers in search or thread. Both of those posts could have been a provider inquiry looking for a partner for duos. That being said I really don't know if this is a long time lurker with new posts or Crissee. It really doesn't make any difference either way because the intellect behind the post is good and Crissee has a very intellectual side when she want's use it.

So my short answer to the post is thank you for your insight. Yes I am involved in other organizations that help addicts. I am a long time member of NA and Nar-Anon as well as other organizations that work with addicts in many ways. I find it fulfilling. I try not to see addicts, but as we all know, sometimes it's difficult to determine that until you meet them. When I discover they are addicts, I stop seeing them. However, even then addicts, like Crissee, are great liars and deception is paramount. The key here is am I like the Tinder example. I do play the "Good Guy" however when I get a match and I don't get a response, I move on. The reason is because it's only a simple inquiry, nothing more. Why get pissed at someone you know nothing about. Crissee however, was not an inquiry, when sober, she showed me a side of her that gave me hope that she was on the path to regaining her humanity. That in itself is worth the fight, the posts, the embarrassment of myself on this board. I have nothing to lose but my reputation and that would only be with those that don't truly know me. Yet she has everything to gain if something good, something clean, something positive results from my behavior.

So whether the above post is Crissee or a monger named Eajry. Thank you for the insight it was a pleasure to interact with your intellect.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3321072]I read this post and thought, wow this is a good analogy of some aspects of my life. It was well written, intellectual with some truly insightful thoughts and comments. It made me step back and think to the point that I discussed it with a very good monger friend of mine who knows me very well. His comment about it was. "That from an outsiders viewpoint, someone who would read a few of your posts, that would be the normal conclusion of the average reader. However they don't know you like I do and they don't know what you have been through or had to deal with over the past few years. They don't know where your heart truly is".

I then told him what Crissee had texted me earlier that day. I had texted her "I love all the gossip on the Octagon, don't you? I was surprised when she responded, her first response in weeks, with "Yep reading gossip reminds me of the girls bathroom in Jr High. Amazing how spiteful and nasty people get for attention but you got to do what you got to do to fulfill whatever emptiness one may have inside. I don't pay it no mind I don't even read it".

We both reached the same conclusion that it's very possible that this post and her text had some very similar verbiage. A similar analogy. It was also interesting that the monger that posted this has only two other posts in the past two weeks in the mongers in search or thread. Both of those posts could have been a provider inquiry looking for a partner for duos. That being said I really don't know if this is a long time lurker with new posts or Crissee. It really doesn't make any difference either way because the intellect behind the post is good and Crissee has a very intellectual side when she want's use it.

So my short answer to the post is thank you for your insight. Yes I am involved in other organizations that help addicts. I am a long time member of NA and Nar-Anon as well as other organizations that work with addicts in many ways. I find it fulfilling. I try not to see addicts, but as we all know, sometimes it's difficult to determine that until you meet them. When I discover they are addicts, I stop seeing them. However, even then addicts, like Crissee, are great liars and deception is paramount. The key here is am I like the Tinder example. I do play the "Good Guy" however when I get a match and I don't get a response, I move on. The reason is because it's only a simple inquiry, nothing more. Why get pissed at someone you know nothing about. Crissee however, was not an inquiry, when sober, she showed me a side of her that gave me hope that she was on the path to regaining her humanity. That in itself is worth the fight, the posts, the embarrassment of myself on this board. I have nothing to lose but my reputation and that would only be with those that don't truly know me. Yet she has everything to gain if something good, something clean, something positive results from my behavior.

So whether the above post is Crissee or a monger named Eajry. Thank you for the insight it was a pleasure to interact with your intellect.[/QUOTE]If your addicted friend wrote that then she has some pretty lucid moments and apparently sees you in a different light than your close friend. Would probably be a good session for you and the shrink to discuss. Your post do tend to be vindictive and obsessed. If you want to report about someone using report it then let it go. If mongers still want to see them its on them. After your Ursula writing your credibility on the drug issue is suspect. You don't help addiction by taking a person to their pharmacies. As far as this being for principle addicts have none and you know this. If your going to give money to addicts quit crying when you don't get it back because you know its lost. Make your post about known addicts and move on. You might also touch on the drama issue with the shrink. That seems like something that you relish and actively seek out.

I have been doing this for 6 months and being careful and picky on who I choose to see I have not had any serious issues. Have some questions for everyone out there.

How often and how much do you tip a provider? Do you tip on a first visit or only after you have seen her a time or two?

I often as the provider if I can bring them anything on my way. Typically it's a coffee or soda of some type which is no big deal. A few weeks ago I stopped at McDs to get a drink for someone. As I walked in I saw a friend of mine, no big deal, I have a good excuse for being where I was. But it got me thinking, to what extent to you go to make sure you can't be recognized or your car recognized anywhere?

I don't monger close to home. But I do have some small recognizable things on my car. Do you take these things off? Or don't worry about it?

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3321835]I have been doing this for 6 months and being careful and picky on who I choose to see I have not had any serious issues. Have some questions for everyone out there.

How often and how much do you tip a provider? Do you tip on a first visit or only after you have seen her a time or two?

I often as the provider if I can bring them anything on my way. Typically it's a coffee or soda of some type which is no big deal. A few weeks ago I stopped at McDs to get a drink for someone. As I walked in I saw a friend of mine, no big deal, I have a good excuse for being where I was. But it got me thinking, to what extent to you go to make sure you can't be recognized or your car recognized anywhere?

I don't monger close to home. But I do have some small recognizable things on my car. Do you take these things off? Or don't worry about it?[/QUOTE]It is always a chance you will be seem. My fear is my vechile will get messed with or damaged while I am busy inside. The other thing I wonder a what if situation is. After I meet her and it goes good or bad and pass one another in public what coild happen or be said / or they had a SO with them. As always you never know. Be safe and think with the big head as well.

Who left there phone out and about so your fiance could get a hold of it? I just got this message " How do you know my fiance?" First time ever in this hobby for me.

I only have one thing to say, " Gentlemen hide your phone's, delete your messages, bury your burner phone. I do not like to be put in this spot. ".

VR.

[QUOTE=TapThat;3321851]It is always a chance you will be seem. My fear is my vechile will get messed with or damaged while I am busy inside. The other thing I wonder a what if situation is. After I meet her and it goes good or bad and pass one another in public what coild happen or be said / or they had a SO with them. As always you never know. Be safe and think with the big head as well.[/QUOTE]I don't think any of them saw me, but I saw them. If they were alone, I may have said something. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate one of us approaching them, when they are with someone. Just as you or I wouldn't appreciate them approaching us.

When Remmy & I used to go to the Race track she'd always say In a whisper, "oh I see one of my clients" she never did anything to bring attention to any of them. I think in most cases even if both parties see each other it will be nothing more than a glance or a smile and that'd be it.

One, that I saw a couple times at the Taco Bell in Cov, was Fantacy Fancy aka Felicia. She has disappeared. Anyone know about her where abouts or well being? She was always super cool with me. Not to mention she could suck the chrome off a Harley. I hope she is well. If anyone knows her contact info and cares to share, pm me.