"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2389162]Depends on ones definition of "crossing paths" with regard to LE and SD sites. If you mean LE launching stings from SD sites, I would agree that has not happened much yet. It also did not happen much in the early days of Craigslist, and after LE started using CL regularly it took them a while to start using BP for stings. They will evolve their methods toward SD sites eventually if they appear too high on the radar.

Someone else will need to invest the time to fish out actual links for these, but I have heard of at least five cases in the last year that somehow intertwined LE and SD sites in ways that were not good for the SD (none of them were sting related).

One was the notorious Google exec case, one was the attempted robbery with knife case I mentioned earlier, one was a cop whose case was outlined in detail in the Ohio SB forum here on USASG (he was arrested when they found he was paying an SB he met on SA), and there have been two more cases described on the Dr Phil show since this time last year (I don't watch it but my GF does, so I take notice whenever they talk about sugarbabies).

Those are only the ones I aware of in the last 12 months where it would be disadvantageous for an SD to be caught texting or e-mailing an SB soliciting sex for money.[/QUOTE]Yeah. A sting. Girls jacking you is a risk no matter how you meet them (especially at the alter). And CL is the bottom of the barrel. But most stings there are towards the girls. In L. A. They are always looking for girls too young to be there. But I always check ID when suspicious.

Thanks for the discussion thus far.

My little friend has extensive knowledge of this SB, and she of him.

Threats are not physical.

Money vs exposure to job / family / neighbors.

Money amounts escalate.

Good Evening hwg, I appreciate all of your honesty, and that's something I've realized is very important for these type of arrangements to work out. I'm a naughty princess who is willing to become all yours, I've never had an arrangement with anyone off the site or have I've met any one in person yet. Just the other day, I was going to just give up with my search. I'm glad I've came across your email. I look foward to meeting you soon, I would perfer coffee first of course to see if there is chemistry. If you are still interested; just let me know the following days and times your available.


She is so ready. Sugar dating is cutting edge. New rules made everyday. and always a new girl just around the corner.

Soliciting would be easy to set up. A hot agent provocateur could set up M&Gs with a bunch of Pots and get them to offer $ for sex. Bang! Soliciting. Scary thought. Always leave S-E-X out of the discussion. IDK if $ for "time together" or "private time " is enough to take to court. The mere fact of being arrested is all it would take to ruin someone's life or career since the SO and public opinion directs those things anyway. Methinks that LE has too many bigger targets such as Street soliciting, drug sales ands abuse, high volume escorting, pimp involvement, etc to spend their time trying to nab a couple of Pot SDs. In my area prostitution is in the top 10 in the nation and busts are regularly reported where 20 people are snared including Pimps and escorts along with the Johns. CL and BP are high risk indeed for Stings and violence. Could they ever go for the Sugar trade? Yeppp!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2389779]IDK if $ for "time together" or "private time " is enough to take to court. The mere fact of being arrested is all it would take to ruin someone's life or career since the SO and public opinion directs those things anyway. [/QUOTE]This is the real issue. The amount of reasonable doubt created by any angle of an SD / SB arrangement is way too much for any court to handle, but it doesn't matter. The arrest is all it would take to do the same amount of damage to the life of the SD.

There is a TV show called "Web of Lies" about Internet scams and such that end up in tragedy. A recent episode was about a married professor in Texas, who actually had his wife's permission to pursue internet sex on the side. He had been honest with her about it from the start, and for whatever reason she accepted it as something she could live with. He eventually got involved in cybersex with an 18 year old tranny that was headed toward a M&G, who later revealed themselves to be a minor (after he was already in too deep). Next thing you know, the kids father is calling him staying stay away from my kid. Next, he starts calling saying if the professor doesn't fork over thousands to get the kid therapy, he is going to go public with it all, including informing the university, LE, social media, etc. The professors wife refused to let him pay off his blackmailer. Long story short, it was a guy in his 40's scamming the professor all along, with blackmail planned from the start. But, because the wife wouldn't allow the fund transfer, the blackmailer made good on his promise and posted a lot of details about the encounters on websites, to damage the professors career. Professor sends him a text that says "I'm killing myself now. I'm dead, but you're going to jail for blackmail", then the professor jumped off a parking lot deck killing himself.

Moral of the story I guess is that blackmail is no fun? LOL. Well that, and the fact that career damage is a very real threat to probably 99% of the SDs out there. Anything we do to put that in jeopardy is probably not a good idea.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2389779]
Methinks that LE has too many bigger targets such as Street soliciting, drug sales ands abuse, high volume escorting, pimp involvement, etc to spend their time trying to nab a couple of Pot SDs. In my area prostitution is in the top 10 in the nation and busts are regularly reported where 20 people are snared including Pimps and escorts along with the Johns. CL and BP are high risk indeed for Stings and violence. Could they ever go for the Sugar trade? Yeppp![/QUOTE]I agree that SD sites are not low-hanging fruit for LE stings. There are easier ways for them to score.

Sting operations are not my primary concern. I've been discussing any LE related act that could threaten to shut down SD sites. All it will take is for the feds to decide they want to make this their agenda, and issue a single raid against a single prominent SD site owner, obtaining all the interactions that take place through the site (including the IP addresses linking each of the customers, for which they could then subpoena additional records if needed). Most likely what would happen is the only charges pressed would be against the website owner only. That would send a ripple effect through the industry that could result in changes that would make finding SBs a thousand times more difficult. All they need to do is charge one SD site with some sort of trumped up charge that involves being the facilitator of illegal activity, and the opportunities for SugarDaddying as we know it and discuss it on this thread would be finished -- literally overnight.

This is why I think it's important for us to always stay within the law, do not get complacent about what LE may or may not do, and discourage others from wandering carelessly into the hobby and doing things that draw unwanted legal attention.

Dang! FyrGuy33. You lucky dawg!

Mine gets sore and sometimes bleeds when using the cover and there have been times when it happened BB with a dry pussy and too much sucking. Will the absence of foreskin I. E. Circumcision help?

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I sit here tonight with a sore dick from all the sucking and fucking. I am in shock at my luck. I was just about to jump into another premium membership on SA tomorrow. Now I'm going to let that go for now. Never give up guys. You just never know when they will smarten up.

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All this talk of Uncle LEO and SD / SB has gotten me worried especially after M&G+FC with the most recent SA babe. No I did not really score she happened to be a short, thick babe within my budget of $ to $. 5.

She texted things like "looking to forward to f* you tomorrow" and when I asked her during FC if she liked to talk dirty she looked nonplussed I then reminded her of the text and she mumbled something. While texting directions to her I received "What are you expectations as far as sex. . positions. . And acts?" "Just trying to go Ahead and prepare myself mentally".

So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law will be very helpful to us newbies to the bowl.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2390389]So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law.[/QUOTE]Its kinda like instructions on how to stay sober. Just don't take the first drink.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2390389] So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law will be very helpful to us newbies to the bowl. [/QUOTE]My advice would be to only gift the girl after banging her. Be realistic with your gift amount, based on how good she is, how much you want to see her again, how much time you spent with her, etc. (I. E. Don't take advantage of it by short-changing her just because you got the nookie up front).

Only discuss money or ongoing fixed allowances with someone you've already banged at least once, and never do it in text or e-mail (in person or phone). Never specify or even allude to exchange of money for sex, even after you know her.

Avoid giving her your real name, or other identifiable info. If you get in a tricky situation, try to defuse and exit the situation ASAP without involving the law.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2390365]Dang! FyrGuy33. You lucky dawg!

Mine gets sore and sometimes bleeds when using the cover and there have been times when it happened BB with a dry pussy and too much sucking. Will the absence of foreskin I. E. Circumcision help?[/QUOTE]There can be soreness with heavy usage of any parts.

If the bleeding is because the foreskin is "pulling" the skin away during sex, then circumcision can help. Of course see a doctor for that and not us internet doctors.

If the bleeding is more on the shaft due to the constant friction, then use lube. You can even use lube to ease the friction with the condom, but be careful it's not too much or it'll slip off. I always have water based lube with me. I don't need to constantly reapply with some girls, but it comes in handy and I use it generously. Just another expense to the hobby.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2388296]PRTFF. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sorry, what does that mean in plain English?

[QUOTE=Dolato;2390505]There can be soreness with heavy usage of any parts.

If the bleeding is because the foreskin is "pulling" the skin away during sex, then circumcision can help. Of course see a doctor for that and not us internet doctors.

If the bleeding is more on the shaft due to the constant friction, then use lube. You can even use lube to ease the friction with the condom, but be careful it's not too much or it'll slip off. I always have water based lube with me. I don't need to constantly reapply with some girls, but it comes in handy and I use it generously. Just another expense to the hobby.[/QUOTE]Have lube will travel.

The best way to stay within the law is to pick up girls the old fashion way. At a bar. Notwithstanding that, if one plays the game, the possibility of running into LE or a scammers is always going to exist.

The next best way to avoid LE / blackmail / scammers is to avoid any conversation of allowances while convincing a girl to go to the FC with you and gaining the ability to read people like a professional poker player.

Of course the only way to gain these skills is to play in the bowl, put yourself at risk, and learn from experience. When I first started playing poker, I used to ask a friend how he knew when another player was bluffing or when to bluff a newbie, or how he knew when he should lay down a set of kings against trip aces. His response was that the only way to gain those skills was to lose a whole lot of money and spend lots of time playing the game.

Long story short, if you play in the bowl, you will always run the risk of getting scammed, blackmailed or being on the wrong side of LE. If those possibilities are something you can't handle, then its time to exit. Left stage.

For me personally, if my entire life was completely turned upside down by a bad encounter in the bowl. I would pick up what I had left, move to the left coast, and do what I could to turn into a professional SD.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2390389]All this talk of Uncle LEO and SD / SB has gotten me worried especially after M&G+FC with the most recent SA babe. No I did not really score she happened to be a short, thick babe within my budget of $ to $. 5.

She texted things like "looking to forward to f* you tomorrow" and when I asked her during FC if she liked to talk dirty she looked nonplussed I then reminded her of the text and she mumbled something. While texting directions to her I received "What are you expectations as far as sex. . positions. . And acts?" "Just trying to go Ahead and prepare myself mentally".

So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law will be very helpful to us newbies to the bowl.[/QUOTE]

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Of course the only way to gain these skills is to play in the bowl, put yourself at risk, and learn from experience. [/QUOTE]Reading through the pages and pages filled with others' mistakes and success can definitely speed up the learning curve.

So today was fruitful. I came into the day with the expectation of seeing two sbs today. I had a date set up with a a pot as well and had another pot (wildcard) waiting in the wings.

The SB that had been begging for a date the past month didn't respond this morning when I texted to confirm our date. Luckily the other SB did, and the pot I have been targeting confirmed our lunch date. After getting confirmation from the trusted SB, I booked the hotel and was off to the races.

The lunch date with the pot went better than planned. We ended the date and I felt like a kid in a candy store when this sweet young thing let me kiss and pet her. She is a 9/10 and we click. If the physical chemistry is there, I may drop all the other babies and focus on her.

The fact that I was ignored by one SB gives me an excuse to cut her from my rotation. The date with the SB that confirmed was good, but while I was banging her, I had the pot I went on a date with earlier that day, on my mind the whole time. Crazy because this is the SB that is a 7 face 8 ish body but is completely wild in bed. I thought she would last at least eight dates. I was going to try to maximize my room by inviiting my wildcard pot over but she is unavailable. Which is why I write this report in the hotel room.

Right now my plan is to play it cool. I have had m&gs with pots that generated promises of trips to the FC that never materialized. My latina coed gymnist pot is a prime example (she went dark and no peep from her for a while) .

But seriously gents, if things work out with this pot, I am going to be on cloud nine. She is cute, very young and seems eager to please. Wish me luck fellahs.