"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Gentlemen,

I'm not sure where this will lead, if anywhere, but I had coffee this morning, finally, with an HCB that I had been corresponding with, off and on, since June. Initially back then all signs indicated a speedy landing. Lots of "when we finally meet I'm going to" and that sort of thing, which frankly I found quite enjoyable to read and respond to. It was almost to the level of phone sex, but I didn't have to give her a credit card first.

We had arranged our first meeting in early August, then I had to cancel for some silly reason, and things just never got back up to the level of a rolling boil again. I drifted off, and it was a little while later that I met my ATF, and, well you know the rest. I really did like this baby, though, and not just for the sexy-talk. She seemed sweet, young and a little wounded perhaps, and so my nurturing instincts went into overdrive. Plus the two photos she sent me showed a beautiful little baby who looked like a dark-haired Claire Danes (if I'm spelling her name correctly. You all know who I mean).

Well last week, out of the blue, she emailed me and said she was eager to meet, and so this morning we finally did. She is beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, but not in the way the artist / model was. More like a real, natural beauty, with the most open, innocent face and gorgeous lips. She is part Cherokee and part Irish (good God) and is smart, funny, articulate and sexy in a college-sweetheart kind of way. We spent almost two hours talking and laughing, and then I had to get back to work. I walked her part of the way back to her house, gave her a hug, and said goodbye, with plans to meet next week. Her parting words to me were "you are delightful, and next time we meet we'll be good to go."

I'm fucked, I believe, in more ways than one. I think I really might want to see this through, but have pangs of guilt about my ATF, who in one of the most ironic of coincidences texted me this morning to say that she's back in town from visiting her dad and wants to get together next week at our new favorite inn / restaurant for some quality alone time.

My question to you all is this: is it really cheating if I didn't seek it out? Who would be so rude as to look a gift baby in the mouth, so to speak?

In parting, I want to wish you all a safe, happy and wise New Year's Eve, and a 2012 filled with sleek, agile and spirited babies.

Don't forget to write,

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1347784]My question to you all is this: is it really cheating if I didn't seek it out? Who would be so rude as to look a gift baby in the mouth, so to speak?

In parting, I want to wish you all a safe, happy and wise New Year's Eve, and a 2012 filled with sleek, agile and spirited babies.[/QUOTE]Cheating. I'd say it is cheating if you don't slide one down this lovely HCB's (brunettes) throat. Cheating her out of the experience.

Now let me tell you what I was thinking as I read your soliloquy. And came upon the part of your HYB returning, etc. I thought,"I wonder if she is setting ole Scotty up here." By providing some bait that is litterally just too damned good to pass up on, just to see if you would be true to her or not? OR, what about you go visit the new HCB this next week, and your HYB is also there. In yearning desire for a 3-some. Wow, now wouldn't that knock your socks (and the rest of you) off?

Well yes, my imagination has really run amuck now hasn't it. So here is wishing you gentlemen a very Happy and Healthy New Year. No need to wish Scott the best with the ladies, as it sounds like he has two of the best in all of Va. Already. Enjoy them both, my good friend.

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin;1346759]Met a new baby yesterday. South African (with that lovely accent) , intelligent and funny, quite possibly the finest body I've ever seen. Initial meeting went very well. We get together this coming week for a play date. Keeping my fingers crossed.[/QUOTE]So she if she stays she is also "African American"?

I just dropped by for the first time in several months to see how you guys are doing. I'm blown away. You've made this into a great forum. I've skimmed the posts since last August and have several enjoyable rtff hours ahead.

As for my activity level, I have taken a break. I haven't fucked an sb since July.

I spent more than a month trying to cancel my subscription to sd4me and finally cancelled the goddam card number. I note there are several good ideas on how to avoid this problem in the posts of the last several months.

I may or may not get back in the game, I haven't decided yet. The need to maintain security can be exhausting. Sometimes I start to feel sorry for the girls. Sometimes my dick gets sore or wimps out. If I do get back in I may try SA.

I really like how you've fixed up the place and I'm going to have fun lurking around for a while.

May the sbs all spread their legs for you and may all your vaginas be moist in the New Year.

[QUOTE=AsianLPGAfan;1347820]So she if she stays she is also "African American"?[/QUOTE]Medium-light skinned black with very smooth and even complexion everywhere, lovely golden-brown eyes, and medium but very smooth and sweet lips. Frankly, I normally avoid black SBs, as many are too ghetto and most have too much drama. But this girl has the sensibilities of her profession and her upbringing; she's educated, intelligent and classy without the whole "my shit don't stink" attitude a lot of wannabe-classy women bring to the table.

I just completed my first months membership on SA, and found it to be much less scam than SD4Me. I made a couple good connections and have a few others that I may meet with when the time arises. At the end of my pay period, there were no problems, the VIP part of the membership stopped, and unlike SD4Me, there was no effort of the part of the SA site to continue charging my card. SD4Me is a bit more flashy website with the option to chat live with the SB's, but that is about the only advantage that I saw over the SA site. I also noticed that on both websites, it seems that when you aren't a paying member you get more unsolicited messages from SB's (but more so on SD4Me). I assume this is to try to convince you to become a paying member so that you can read the messages. Once you become a paying member, then most of those SB's never respond back to you! LOL Not sure you if would call that "marketing" or "scam". Also, I found more SB's that seemed to be using fake pics on SD4Me. I had been a member of SD4Me several times over the last couple years and made a few good connections. I learned early that it was hell cancelling your membership with a credit card. If / when I join a SD site again, it will most definitely be SA.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1348920]I just dropped by for the first time in several months to see how you guys are doing. I'm blown away. You've made this into a great forum. I've skimmed the posts since last August and have several enjoyable rtff hours ahead.

As for my activity level, I have taken a break. I haven't fucked an sb since July.

I spent more than a month trying to cancel my subscription to sd4me and finally cancelled the goddam card number. I note there are several good ideas on how to avoid this problem in the posts of the last several months.

I may or may not get back in the game, I haven't decided yet. The need to maintain security can be exhausting. Sometimes I start to feel sorry for the girls. Sometimes my dick gets sore or wimps out. If I do get back in I may try SA.

I really like how you've fixed up the place and I'm going to have fun lurking around for a while.

May the sbs all spread their legs for you and may all your vaginas be moist in the New Year.[/QUOTE]I'm happy to know Lit wasn't caught by the warden. That was my concern. At least he is staying tuned.

Yes, security is difficult to maintain, certainly when seeing the same girl multiple times. I think the risk is a geometric progression. That second time presents two or three times the risk of the first, and keeps going up.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1349305]Yes, security is difficult to maintain, certainly when seeing the same girl multiple times. I think the risk is a geometric progression. That second time presents two or three times the risk of the first, and keeps going up.[/QUOTE]Good wishes to you also, Golf. I've enjoyed getting caught up on your posts.

One reason I like this thread is because I could talk with similar minded mongers about what I was doing. There was nobody else I could safely talk to about it.

Some of you sb mongers clearly have more experience than I do. I consumed 12 tasty little babies in a five month period last year, but I've only made semen deposits in 83 women lifetime and am currently well into my seventh decade. It was a boost to set personal best in the volume / rate of new girls fucked at such a late date in the race so to speak. I think about the 12 a lot but details tend to blur as time passes. I am aware some of you are far more successful than I in spreading your seed around.

Security is always a big deal for me. I experience an attack of paranoia at some point in every session with an sb. If I'm re-penetrating, I have to guard against a false sense of security that there is less of a risk because I've been with her before. The main source of risk was always that the sbs I want to fuck are the ones looking for a continuing relationship, but a continuing relationship is not what I want. I fucked about half of the 12 more than once, and when I did I was constantly trying to re-set their expectations.

The repeaters:

Sb2. A pudgy 30 year old healthcare provider wanted something reliable and long term; when she emailed me I wasn't reliable enough in the sugar department, I was scared it was a blackmail threat, but she just moved on. Low security risk now. She wants somebody other than me.

Sb4. A 27 year old brunette receptionist HYB with a kid; she has a perfect ass and suburban housewife consumption habits. She's my atf sb but she sends me requests for sugar every few weeks, I get paranoid every time, but if I go back to any of the 12 again it will be her. I consider her a semi-pro. Have I sent her more sugar? Yes, once. High security risk. She doesn't know who I am but has seen my license plate. Worse, I want to see her again.

Sb9. A 27 year old file clerk / part time college student party girl, voluptuous and compulsive, makes no demands but is erratic in every aspect of her life. I haven't heard from her for a while and I expect she has moved on. Medium security risk. She expects to rotate men but she is clever and tough enough to make a threat.

Sb12. A 38 year old divorced suburban housewife with a kid, desperate; long negotiations over the GPS; great sex. One month later she emailed me she was homeless, with the kid, and needed help. I referred her to the child welfare authorities. She cursed me out and disappeared. Low security risk. She has no idea who I am or where I live. She's only seen me twice, on days 1 and 4 in an out of town hotel during a 4-day multifucking period.

Sb16. 26 year old office worker, HYB (B is for butt in this case, she is flat) got drunk in the hotel bar, talked provocatively about a threesome with her friend. When I saw her the second time, she was sober but the sex was still too perfunctory. She emailed me several times demanding another date but I ignored her; I'm still a little worried about this one since she saw my license plate on the second date. Plus I think she may have gotten my name from the hotel bar man (I paid cash but she could have told him my room number and he could have looked it up.) High security risk.

Sb18. My 23 year old HYB, recent college grad with a dull job, another atf. I saw her many times. She was obviously different from the start. I asked her if she knew what she was getting into before I opened up her pussy, I told her I was attached and temporary and couldn't support her. She said thats just what she wanted until her future life clarified. We never talked sugar. She always came to the hotel and stayed as long as I liked. Conversation would drag (too many "awesome"s) , our tastes were totally different (she likes hip hop, I prefer opera, as fucking music). She was very submissive and passionate in bed but regulated our relationship well. I told her in July it would be our last time, at least for several months. She said,"Oh. Well let me hear from you sometime." Every other sb has followed up after I last saw her. Not this one. When I finally emailed her after several months, there was no reply. A rare, perfect, non-threatening relationship for me, but dissatisfying nonetheless. I couldn't stand to be with her for more than a few hours. Low security risk.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1347784]*She is beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, but not in the way the artist / model was. More like a real, natural beauty, with the most open, innocent face and gorgeous lips.

*I'm fucked, I believe, in more ways than one. I think I really might want to see this through, but have pangs of guilt about my ATF, who in one of the most ironic of coincidences texted me this morning to say that she's back in town from visiting her dad and wants to get together next week at our new favorite inn / restaurant for some quality alone time*My question to you all is this: is it really cheating if I didn't seek it out? Who would be so rude as to look a gift baby in the mouth, so to speak?[/QUOTE]Scott, I have read all your excellent posts and remember, I think, your important points. I can't be sure these days as my short term memory is lousy. Anyway, as I recall you have a reporting relationship with a warden and you have consumed a great many tasty babies already. Always in a thoughtful way I might add. Now, as I understand it, you have become somewhat or at least sometimes somewhat besotted with your HYB (or HYC) and for a time have practiced episodic monogamy, or at least you have at least occasionally refrained from fucking anyone other than your atf sb hyb or hyc (save for the warden herself, presumably). Now you pose the ethical dilemma to the Board: is it moral, under these circumstances, to jump on and make a deposit in "a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful *real*natural beauty" with "the most open, innocent face and gorgeous lips"?

In short, my answer is yes. This will not be the answer of Ariana Huffington or, for that matter, nearly any American female over the age of 25. However, the code of the sd is to seek happiness without doing harm and as long as you don't rip the new baby off in some way that is not evident to me or inseminate her or harm her physically and she is of legal age, I don't see a violation of the code. Others may disagree.

However, multifucking, as previously noted, carries security risks. With multiple multifucked repeating sbs at hand, Golf's geometric risk progressions tend towards the infinite and may veer out of control.

So be careful, senior monger. If you go forth to ejaculate in this new baby it is in keeping with the best sd principles but is a brave act in which you put yourself at risk. Let us know how it goes.

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin;1348994]Medium-light skinned black with very smooth and even complexion everywhere, lovely golden-brown eyes, and medium but very smooth and sweet lips. Frankly, I normally avoid black SBs, as many are too ghetto and most have too much drama. But this girl has the sensibilities of her profession and her upbringing; she's educated, intelligent and classy without the whole "my shit don't stink" attitude a lot of wannabe-classy women bring to the table.[/QUOTE]I'll be interested to hear how this goes. The girl sounds very attractive.

I am attracted to many pretty AA women these days, at least the celebrities, but I have never penetrated or even dfk'd one. Never put a finger in an AA girl or sucked her nipples. I've thought about it though.

Most recently, there was a very pretty looking high school girl (supposedly) advertising on Richmond BP. This was about last March. She was 18 (supposedly). I contacted her and we tried to work out a time. I couldn't do days at that point and she couldn't do the evening and she wouldn't travel from her home. She said it was too dangerous. Since I couldn't make the date anyway I didn't have to think through whether or not I would go to her home. At the time I was seeking a back-up for a no-show sb date. I think if I had obtained access I would have fucked her willingly (assuming she was over 18).

But with AA girls I worry about a couple things. Most AA women seem to me to dislike older white guys. Why is that? I'm not sure, maybe they think we don't like them. Then there is the whole hair thing I don't understand. You aren't supposed to touch their hair. When you are fucking them? What's with that?

CWL, maybe you can advise if your date goes through.

Wow. Makes me think Chris Hanson, Dateline scenario. There is NO freaking way I would visit a (supposed) 18 yo's house for this very scenario. Risk too great.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1349635]She was 18 (supposedly). I contacted her and we tried to work out a time. I couldn't do days at that point and she couldn't do the evening and she wouldn't travel from her home. She said it was too dangerous. Since I couldn't make the date anyway I didn't have to think through whether or not I would go to her home. At the time I was seeking a back-up for a no-show sb date. I think if I had obtained access I would have fucked her willingly (assuming she was over 18).[/QUOTE]

Lit, I'll let you know.

Personally, I haven't seen signs of black girls not liking older white guys, at least not on SA or SB4Me. Every one of the could-actually-meet ladies (I discount the ones from far away) that have winked or written me first has been black, and all but one was less than 25. Of course, my unscientific analysis of the SB populations on SA and SD4Me indicates that there are at least three young black women for every one female of any other race or age, so I shouldn't be surprised about that. But it's certainly a telling data point relative to the current economic problems we all face. I also find it interesting that a high percentage of those young black ladies do not post photos. Leads me to believe that a lot of those girls are just grasping at any way to bring in some money without giving any real thought to what they're doing.

The interesting part of this discussion to me is all the concerns about security. As an unattached male in his mid 50's, I don't have several of the worries some of you other guys do, but I can appreciate the concerns. I'm thankful that I don't have to secure my phone and computer from the prying eyes of a warden!

[quote=varoom;1349674]wow. makes me think chris hanson, dateline scenario. there is no freaking way i would visit a (supposed) 18 yo's house for this very scenario. risk too great.[/quote]damn, you're right, i hadn't even thought of that.

now that my foggy brain clears though i remember another reason i took a break from the sd / sb game. i got several emails on sd4me asking if i'd be part of a "well-compensated" reality show about sds and sbs. one of my sbs got the same thing. scared me silly, thinking about running into a film crew on one of my dates. i wonder what happened with that.

as far as the entrapment tv show goes, hopefully i'll never run into it. if i had any doubt about a girls age, i think i'd be smart enough to ask for proof. the operative words are "i think," and mr johnson sometimes has other thoughts. still, to entrap you, don't they have to say things like,"you know i'm ****, right?" i do believe i'd be smart enough to handle that one, with or without mr johnson's cooperation.

it's a rough world out there. a poor old monger just tries to get himself a little bit of young pussy and all these hypocrites gang up on him.

[quote=literal2;1349813]as far as the entrapment tv show goes, hopefully i'll never run into it. if i had any doubt about a girls age, i think i'd be smart enough to ask for proof. the operative words are "i think," and mr johnson sometimes has other thoughts. still, to entrap you, don't they have to say things like,"you know i'm ****, right?" i do believe i'd be smart enough to handle that one, with or without mr johnson's cooperation.[/quote]**** and proving it. i'll just two words: 'lawrence taylor'. i believe he is now a sex offender and serving x yrs of probation over his under age female, even though she stated she was older. it doesn't matter in some states, it does in others, so more research would have to be done in your area to know for sure.

entrapment is a different issue. they may not get a conviction, but they would surely get an arrest. you know which one we would fear more here. once you were arrested, the rest would be a hassle, and certainly even if the chgs were dropped or one were acquitted, the damage is done. but frankly this conversation isn't probably too productive for most of us, other than to be wary of young girls and situations that could be any kind of a sting.

regarding the tv show, they did run a special on the sd thing. more from the sb perspective and how and why these young girls get involved in the trade. also looking at the comparative similarity of sd vs. pay for play outright; implied versus stated maybe. i didn't see the piece but heard several news reports and saw a highlight or two on it, along with some discussion on another part of this board, i think. good to stay clear of the cameras; wow.

lit, so glad to see you back here, if only for a while. you contributions, methods and knowledge have been missed. of course others have picked up some of the slack, but we would all benefit by your return. whether you are active or not with the sb's. i understand the concern for security, and it is that aspect that keeps me in more arms length arrangements. the closeness of the sb gig has it benefits but certainly its limitations.

Lit, good to see you back posting!

Regarding potential blackmail. I don't have a significant other to worry about but I do have a business. A few years back when I began my foray into the SB / SD world, a SB I met and wasn't interested in on began sending texts along the lines of "it would be bad for your business if people knew this is how you spend your free time" so I gave her some sugar. Big mistake, BIG. She came back a week later wanting more, of course. So I decided I would bite the bullet and suffer any consequences but I wasn't going to pay anymore. She was a single mom engaged in a custody fight with her ex, so I made it clear she would suffer as much as I would with any public disclosure. She disappeared never to be heard from again. So remember, since many are single mothers or college students or have boyfriends / husbands, they can have as much to lose as any of us. Although they may not realize it until it is explained to them. If she persisted, I planned to go to the police. Thankfully that wasn't necessary.

Still, it's always wise to avoid those SBs when you have a gut feeling something like that may occur. It's not worth the stress.