General Reports

[QUOTE=Bbbuddy]All your points are true. You can smell the chlorine when you go in the jacuzzi. I don't think there is any popping going on in the jacuzzi however with a little play going on there is a chance from some pre-jizz to be present, but again with the presence of all that chlorine I would think it is taken care of. I would worry more about the rednecks who don't wash their asses well.[/QUOTE]That "chlorine smell" is actually not chlorine but chloramines, which are what you get when you mix the chlorine with body oils, sweat, urine, jizz, etc. If you can smell it, it generally means that there is not enough chlorine in the pool.

I don't see the attraction to Belvidere when you can get FS at Chantilly Lace in Rockford for about the same price

At ERS there are some attendants who give great service and are with you almost the full hour. Also sometimes a massage is just more satisfying than say getting rushed out at FS. I have been to CL maybe 3 or 4 times and each time the girl was trying to get it done as quickly as possible. One petite girl was complaining about the size of my package and said we couldn't do FS and she would have to do HR. The surroundings at ERS are much nicer than CL, and CL is more in line with CLV with the ratty old couches you sit on.

There are also some guys that just want a HR. Maybe they come from the Bill Clinton school and think if its not FS it's not cheating.

Just some thoughts.

[QUOTE=Rub & Tugged]I don't see the attraction to Belvidere when you can get FS at Chantilly Lace in Rockford for about the same price[/QUOTE]The same price?

Maybe I'm not a great negotiator, but my experience was that in the least, you'd spend $.5 more at Chantilly Lace, and the experience was far less enjoyable. I agree there are times that nothing will substitute for the old in-and-out, but variety is the spice of life.

You must be a bad negotiator or prices have gone up substantially. Ever time I have been to CL it has been the door fee and $ for FS. So all told only $75 more than ERS door fee and about $50 more if you tip. The first time I was at the place across the street from CL I paid the door fee on my card and then didn't bring any cash so when she asked what else I wanted to do after she got naked and I had fun with her tits and pussy, I gave her the card for her fee she quoted and she said no it's got to be in cash, and I said this is all I got. She said well since you didn't know any better I'll take care of that throbbing problem you have there and gave me HR. So wasn't a bad day for the $70 door fee. Ofcourse she said when you come back you will remember me next time? To which I said sure. Either way like I said in the last post, sometimes a good massage and rub is all that is needed, and sometimes more satisfying then a rushed FS job, but that's just my 2 cents. Peace.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=Bbbuddy]YEver time I have been to CL it has been the door fee and $ for FS. So all told only $75 more than ERS door fee and about $50 more if you tip.[/QUOTE]Why is this any different than what I said?

$.5 = $50

At any rate, $150 is not "about the same price" as $100 in my book - it's 50% more.

[QUOTE=Bwetfan]That "chlorine smell" is actually not chlorine but chloramines, which are what you get when you mix the chlorine with body oils, sweat, urine, jizz, etc. If you can smell it, it generally means that there is not enough chlorine in the pool.[/QUOTE]

I've not gone into the jacuzzi in a while - if you ask, most of the girls don't care to go in it because it dries their skin out.

It is not some much about the full service as the atmosphere. I much rather spend an hour having an erotic rub down with a good provider(IE: Diana and Peggy in the past) and HR than an uninspired rushed full service session.

If you look at how you phrased it you said $.5 more than ERS, which would make a session at CL, somewhere around $$.5. I understand if you are saying $.5 total then we would be on the same page, and we are also on the same page that CL is not as satisfying since there are some that rush you out.

One more opinion on the current mini-debate on this topic: I agree that the pricing is almost the same. For me, ERS typically runs $.2 total. And yes, if we want to deceive ourselves, as we all do, then there is some "romance" involved prior to the standard HE. At CL it's .55 for the HH door fee, and then typically .4, .6, or .8, depending on your choice of service. (I simply refuse to go higher than that in this economy and walk out if necessary -- which basically never is necessary.) As for the "romance factor," I guess that's a matter of one's interpretation. So, bottom line, at least IMHO, is that ERS and CL are basically the same while still being different, so to speak.

[QUOTE=Robert387]One more opinion on the current mini-debate on this topic: I agree that the pricing is almost the same. For me, ERS typically runs $.2 total. And yes, if we want to deceive ourselves, as we all do, then there is some "romance" involved prior to the standard HE. At CL it's .55 for the HH door fee, and then typically .4, .6, or .8, depending on your choice of service. (I simply refuse to go higher than that in this economy and walk out if necessary -- which basically never is necessary.) As for the "romance factor," I guess that's a matter of one's interpretation. So, bottom line, at least IMHO, is that ERS and CL are basically the same while still being different, so to speak.[/QUOTE]I think I used my shorthand incorrectly, which is why people got confused. When I said I spent $.5 more, I really meant that I spent .5 more. I was multiplying instead of adding.

Carry on.

I have not been to ERS for 2 or more years. My last visit was with a girl I had seen many times with very positive visits and almost friendship. At that time tipping was not a common practice and only occasionally one tipped. This girl said to me "you buy our service and not us". I do not go there for HJ or massage but a fantasy of experience and this was such a big turn off that I have never visited the place. No girls at that time were asking for tip (except for Janet who always was money hungry). I did tip to some very nice girls but it was my choice. This whole talk about money bores me and ruins experience to the point of not wanting to visit ever again.

I do go at least four times a year to Montreal Canada and see escorts about two a day for about 160 to 180 C$. There is never talk about money. You just leave the money on a table and in the end the girl just picks up and goes away. None of them have asked me for tip and they are willing to do everything except anal which needs extra money. Their attitude is to please a customer and money is seen as incidental. This makes an experience fantastic. I have seen about 54 to 72 girls a year and never thought of money I was spending. I know I can afford it and that makes it even more like haggling in a bazzar and I would rather self pleasure than be aggravated about tip and money. I was wondering about visiting ERS but this whole talk of tipping and money has got me really turned off.

I thought I would add more to the previous report.

If the girls feel that they should get more money they should negotiate with the management and change the door price. That way nobody will be dealing with extortionist tipping to make a visit good and if the management decided to charge $150 or $140 as the door price and no tipping we will see how much business will thrive. Not much I believe. Which makes this bait and switch tactic and this is despised throughout any industry and in other businesses there are actually legal penalties for this.

This type of escalating prices do exist in Amsterdam and Hamburg and other countries where prostitution is legal. However the business is so strictly touristic that there is almost no expectation of return business and motto is rip the guy off fast and get him out quick. In my escapades I have been to both of these places in the past and have spent an amount of money always feeling ripped because you have to pay more for nude, touching breasts, sucking nipples, fingering and what not. Obviously it was a phase and I never would go back there. I realize it has become more extortinist from the reports.

ERS on the other hand has limited client source not the unlimited tourist trade and this is definitely not a practice which would result in attrition of clients. I for one have not spent any money. Previous to that incident I used to spend between $3000 to 5000 a year but I can use it better elsewhere.

It makes sense if it ruins the whole experience for you that you should absolutely stop going. If you can get past the shabby surroundings I have never had a problem at CLV down the street. There is a woman named Jennah who does a great job, similar to Diana at ERS. Your answer for them to raise the price would for sure put a huge cramp in their business. Guys were complaining on another forum when a place went up $10. As it stands now the fee at CLV is $10 less. It spells out exactly what these girls are getting per session, and it is more than a CMT receives, and someone that I know who was working as a Marketing Manager for a Device company and has a Master's Degree in Business. Usually when you are happy with what you are getting the tips tend to follow but when you get angry if someone isn't tipping and it changes your attitude, it should effect your service and tips. You need to visit Germany instead of the Netherlands, they said they recently instituted an all you can pop special in some of the brothels.

I went to CLV today. The girl that I picked was named Selena. She was petite and cute with enhanced chest that was passable, not as bad as some and not as good as others. Her massage was not as good as Jennah but it was good enough. While she was doing the massage I grabbed her ass a little and tried to get under the panties she left on but she pulled away. When it came time to do the massage on her she did the same pull away when she was on her stomach. When she flipped I massaged over her panties and she started to moan a little and gyrate her hips, so I decided to see if I could go under the panties and this time she allowed me to roam. She was already extremely wet and when I started to massage her clit she was moving her hips as if enjoying it. Finally her legs began to quiver a bit and she grabbed my hand and said, "now it is your turn". I took that to mean she had her orgasm. She grabbed my package like it was a stick shift in a car and damn near tried to break it off, don't know what that was about, but then she started to get it done right. It was a somewhat enjoyable time, but certainly no where near a session with Jennah.