"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Tough night brother. Do you play poker? If so, then you already know a few things:

1. Don't let the lows get you too low, and don't let the highs get you too high. 2. Play the antes and let the game come to you. In other words, its best to wait for the right cards before making your play. Don't book the hotel or set up an expensive date until you've got a pot that has committed to the FC. 3. The longer you play the game and sit at the table, the better you will become at the game. And if you're careful with your blinds, the worst you'll lose is nominal funds but mainly your time. Although depending on your career and personal life, time may ne more precious than money.

Too bad the bowl doesn't come with a comp card for time spent as a player. A free buffet every now and then would be a nice touch.

As for the 10/10 pot that stood you up, no worries. The funds you lost on one hotel is a small price to pay for the lesson you learned. Just don't repeat the same mistake. Besides, within three weeks there will be four new 10/10 pots to replace her. Besides, if you pulled out as much money from the atm as you said you did, them you should have enough allowance for all four of them - assuming of course your playground is in dc - which I am assuming based on your screen name.

Based on my experience in that area, the allowance you would've given that pot for one date would've made four babies quite happy for the entire month...

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2381414]So like clockwork she cancelled. This was the first SB that actually had me at the bank pulling out a couple of grand. I wonder if I told he I have her monthly allowance in cash would have changed the outcome. It's funny in retrospect. After getting the cancellation I'm depressed, sitting in my Executive suite with $100 bills in hand

This depression ended when I set up a quick M&G. Probably the fastest M&G ever. I swear this girl came to my lobby in 30 minutes. A cool date and will probably go to FC. It did get me thinking. I've been on SA for about two months now and sadly I'm certain I've over spent. I paid no sugar, but in terms of M&G's I'd say $3-3. 5 K. Probably got some form of action from 6-8 SBs, mostly BJs. Was the action worth it? I don't know. It has been a huge stress relief and better than a therapist. The rejection from the 10/10 SB was probably the lowest point. I think I'm done for now. I'm mid 30's, in good shape and I can normally pick up girls with no issues. This was a good break from the norm.

-The Bo Jackson of the Bowl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2381414]So like clockwork she cancelled. This was the first SB that actually had me at the bank pulling out a couple of grand. I wonder if I told he I have her monthly allowance in cash would have changed the outcome. It's funny in retrospect. After getting the cancellation I'm depressed, sitting in my Executive suite with $100 bills in hand.

This depression ended when I set up a quick M&G. Probably the fastest M&G ever. I swear this girl came to my lobby in 30 minutes. A cool date and will probably go to FC. It did get me thinking. I've been on SA for about two months now and sadly I'm certain I've over spent. I paid no sugar, but in terms of M&G's I'd say $3-3. 5 K. Probably got some form of action from 6-8 SBs, mostly BJs. Was the action worth it? I don't know. It has been a huge stress relief and better than a therapist. The rejection from the 10/10 SB was probably the lowest point. I think I'm done for now. I'm mid 30's, in good shape and I can normally pick up girls with no issues. This was a good break from the norm.

-The Bo Jackson of the Bowl.[/QUOTE]You need to totally start over. Analyse what you did right and what you did wrong. Start with one girl at a time. For the money you are spending demand a set amount for a full 2-3 hour FC visit. Limit your M&G to an inexpensive lunch or coffee date. Forget the 9's and 10's for now. Start with a 7/8 that has an awesome personality and that shows an obvious willingness to please you in the FC. And only pay per FC visit. But don't quit.

OK I have a constraint that many of you don't namely I have to do this on the sly due to the missus which means it had to be on weekday afternoons because I am alone only when I am at work. So with HWG's 1-2-3 method some of the non-responders could not accept this constraint since they wanted to go out and have a good time.

Among the responders some did not care about a per meeting arrangement at the beginning because they are not prostitutes! And the rest wanted too much moolah which was $300 or more per date.

Some of the responses to msg #3 were clear that they will be with anyone for the right amount and this was true with both white and AA of any age. Bottom line is they were only interested in the $ and some wanted more like travel to exotic destinations, participate in exciting (and expensive) activities etc.

From the uniformity of the expectations I can only conclude that SBs on SA are OK financially and are doing this just to enhance their income / lifestyle. I do not think there are many guys in this part of the country who can sustain this level of spending on SBs.

So SA is not for SDs on a budget! I have to find other ways of locating those inexpensive SBs.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2383750]OK I have a constraint that many of you don't namely I have to do this on the sly due to the missus which means it had to be on weekday afternoons because I am alone only when I am at work. So with HWG's 1-2-3 method some of the non-responders could not accept this constraint since they wanted to go out and have a good time.

Among the responders some did not care about a per meeting arrangement at the beginning because they are not prostitutes! And the rest wanted too much moolah which was $300 or more per date.

Some of the responses to msg #3 were clear that they will be with anyone for the right amount and this was true with both white and AA of any age. Bottom line is they were only interested in the $ and some wanted more like travel to exotic destinations, participate in exciting (and expensive) activities etc.

From the uniformity of the expectations I can only conclude that SBs on SA are OK financially and are doing this just to enhance their income / lifestyle. I do not think there are many guys in this part of the country who can sustain this level of spending on SBs.

So SA is not for SDs on a budget! I have to find other ways of locating those inexpensive SBs.[/QUOTE]I have found SA to be the best for contacts but concur for the most part with your assessment. I am also on SD Today but the numbers are not there as with other free sites. I have met a couple from that site and meet for less than 200/ visit. Again, the quantity and quality is not on par with SA. I look at CL but too many spammers there but occasionally find a needle in a haystack. I have my best success with having fellow forum members recommending a good utr.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2383750]OK I have a constraint that many of you don't namely I have to do this on the sly due to the missus which means it had to be on weekday afternoons because I am alone only when I am at work. So with HWG's 1-2-3 method some of the non-responders could not accept this constraint since they wanted to go out and have a good time.

Among the responders some did not care about a per meeting arrangement at the beginning because they are not prostitutes! And the rest wanted too much moolah which was $300 or more per date.

Some of the responses to msg #3 were clear that they will be with anyone for the right amount and this was true with both white and AA of any age. Bottom line is they were only interested in the $ and some wanted more like travel to exotic destinations, participate in exciting (and expensive) activities etc.

From the uniformity of the expectations I can only conclude that SBs on SA are OK financially and are doing this just to enhance their income / lifestyle. I do not think there are many guys in this part of the country who can sustain this level of spending on SBs.

So SA is not for SDs on a budget! I have to find other ways of locating those inexpensive SBs.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree. But that's me. I have been literally flooded with girls since I put up my SA post 30 days ago. The main difference I see is that there are less pros and UTRs and way more curious normal girls looking for fun and adventuture. My 2 cents. BTW. I am more on a budget than ever due to work issues.

I really need to get out more. Today I was determined to do a M&G. So I picked the easiest one I could find. A girl that only lives 2 miles away from me and has her own car. I told her to meet me in the local CVS parking lot where we could have a "no sex, no money" date and talk in the car and see if there was any connection. She said she was totally "clear" on that, and no problem.

She showed up right on time and parked 2 cars down from me. She gets out of the car and as my mom used to say, she was as cute as a button. 19, 5'4" and an even 100 lbs. A white girl with pink and blond hair wearing a tiny black mini skirt, black knee socks and a motorcycle jacket. A typical hipster looking (minus the tattoos) neighborhood girl. Very delicate features, small face and hands.

So she gets into my car and I start talking. She really had so little to say that I asked twice if she just wanted to end the meet. She said she was fine and just didn't talk much. The little she did have to say was very frank and direct and she seemed more mature than her years. So finally after an hour I just asked her "do you think I"m cute"? She kinda smiled and said yes. So I started to kiss her. This led to 75 minutes of me non-stop finger banging her hard and fast. I did go down on her a little but it was a little tough due to the logistics. I had her skirt up and bra down and her cute little titties out. I just pulled her panties to the side as she still had her shoes on. She came a few times, but it was only detectable on a physical level (as she bucked her cute little ass in the air) all the time being very very quiet except for some light moaning.

It was pouring rain the whole time, so no fear of anyone seeing what was going on (even though it was still in the afternoon) and very romantic. We kissed the whole time non stop, except a few times I pulled back to admire her perfect little body while still fingering her and looking her straight in the eyes. I got her to say a few sexy daddy/baby things and made her blush, but she liked it. A lot I guess.

She said she would see me after school tomorrow. She was about a 7/9/8/8 so far. Amount spent $0. Any future dates will be $ a date. Her parents are more than well off and she said she just didn't really need much to be happy.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2384236]I have to disagree. But that's me. I have been literally flooded with girls since I put up my SA post 30 days ago. The main difference I see is that there are less pros and UTRs and way more curious normal girls looking for fun and adventuture. My 2 cents. BTW. I am more on a budget than ever due to work issues.[/QUOTE]You must be irresistible in your profile! Plus you are on the left coast things must be different there than in the South East.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2385213]You must be irresistible in your profile! Plus you are on the left coast things must be different there than in the South East.[/QUOTE]Girls do resist. I just try to target the ones that won't. I have a type. I tell them they are my type. I back that up with my obvious attraction to them when they are my type. Stick with your type. An old saying. Or maybe I made it up. There is no one more attractive than someone that's genuinely attracted to you.

And that works both ways. My little girl "Sugar" who is not my type physically (although she is my type in other ways) is just so enamored with me that I can't stop seeing her.

Following up on the M&G from yesterday, I am going to see her maybe after school tomorrow as it didn't work out today. I told her we could move to a paid date and she is smart enough to know what that means. She is very very tight and can take a pounding. So I am gonna see my ATF tonite (to relieve some built up stress) as I want to get the most out of her tomorrow.

An unusual response from a solid 7+ after offering her a $ a date. "I'm not only in it for the $, that's crazy, I'll take 40 to 70."

Another response to the steps letters. "Hey there, and yes I understand exactly where you are coming from because I totally agree with you. It is very important that a real connection is established in order for anything to work that's why taking it step by step is ideal to me. Im glad that we are both on the same page. :)"

Another response to meet for $ from a somewhat disheartened girl. "I haven't actually been seeing guys from SA in a while because of how many just wanted to take advantage of me".

Here is another. "That makes 100% sense. I'm excited to get to meet you, when were you thinking we can connect?"

But you get the idea. The steps do work.

[URL]http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/04/how-to-find-your-own-sugar-daddy-like-i-did.html[/URL]

People say oh you must look like Brad Pitt. Actually more like the character Munch on Law and Order SVU. Oh you must have a luxurious home. More like a small bachelor pad, but it is in the hollywood hills. Oh you must have an awesome ride. Yeah it is if you like classic 10 year old bmw's. You must dress for success. I have worn jeans and t-shirts my entire life unless I am at work in which case I am wearing pajamas or running shorts.

Its way more about honesty and being a little self deprecating. I don't brag or boast and avoid any topic or pics relating to how big my penis is (although I have no trouble talking about how I want it pleasured). LOL. We may want girls that are newbies to the game, but they want the opposite (unless they are gold diggers). So fake it till you make it.

I have read a lot on this thread about negotiating and how to do this undercover but very little of the mindset or vibe needed to succeed. So just be yourself. I mean what else can you really do? And if yourself is an overweight geek with bad table manners or you are just an asshole. Then by all means start shopping at neimans and buy a new mercedes. And take girls to expensive dinners, overpriced spas and 5 star hotels. Unless you just love treating yourself because you can afford it. And when I can I will.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2385287][URL]http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/04/how-to-find-your-own-sugar-daddy-like-i-did.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I was laughing the entire time I was reading that article. That might work in NY but in my area that kind of attitude isn't going to get you very much. It's bad enough that most of the SB have a GPS attitude and this article isn't going to do them any favors. Good luck ladies.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2385502]People say oh you must look like Brad Pitt. Actually more like the character Munch on Law and Order SVU. Oh you must have a luxurious home. More like a small bachelor pad, but it is in the hollywood hills. Oh you must have an awesome ride. Yeah it is if you like classic 10 year old bmw's. You must dress for success. I have worn jeans and t-shirts my entire life unless I am at work in which case I am wearing pajamas or running shorts.

Its way more about honesty and being a little self deprecating. I don't brag or boast and avoid any topic or pics relating to how big my penis is (although I have no trouble talking about how I want it pleasured). LOL. We may want girls that are newbies to the game, but they want the opposite (unless they are gold diggers). So fake it till you make it.

I have read a lot on this thread about negotiating and how to do this undercover but very little of the mindset or vibe needed to succeed. So just be yourself. I mean what else can you really do? And if yourself is an overweight geek with bad table manners or you are just an asshole. Then by all means start shopping at neimans and buy a new mercedes. And take girls to expensive dinners, overpriced spas and 5 star hotels. Unless you just love treating yourself because you can afford it. And when I can I will.[/QUOTE]Right on HWG. The only things I would add are tell the truth. If you make up shit you will get caught eventually. If you tell the truth you don't need to have such a good memory. The other thing is be confident. Most Pots will see a lack of confidence in no time. And never let them think you are desperate.

You don't have to have Brad Pitt looks or Donald Trump money. But you do need to develop a little game which includes making them feel comfortable with you. For me, that has always been key. They meet so many assholes that if you are not an asshole, your chances of a trip to the FC increases dramatically.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2385213]You must be irresistible in your profile! Plus you are on the left coast things must be different there than in the South East.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that results can vary hugely with changes in geographical region. Sometimes two cities that are only a couple of hours away will produce noticeable patterns in type of girls or their behavior that are very different.

This is why I don't think there is any particular formula for success that can really be written down or described.

HWG is onto something when he says just be yourself -- that will produce the most consistent results. Some might say "but my results are consistently bad compared to what I want them to be", but the consistency is still important, because without it you can't improve. Practice makes perfect.

In my particular case, I can't be totally honest because I don't like to talk about my "real-life" relationship with SBs. So, I lie about it. It throws my game off a little bit to be something I'm not, because I developed my game in the civy-dating world, where being myself was critical to success. I don't like being covert or shady about anything, but sometimes it's a necessity. Luckily, the sausage still gets hidden anyway, because the extent of the scam is relatively small on the big scale of things. I don't directly lie to the girls that they have some future with me, but I never mention that it's not even possible. But it doesn't have to be like that. I still don't recommend giving away your real name if you have a marriage or professional life to hold onto, though. You never know when you'll run into a vindictive stalker type who will use the information against you.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2385505]I was laughing the entire time I was reading that article. That might work in NY but in my area that kind of attitude isn't going to get you very much. It's bad enough that most of the SB have a GPS attitude and this article isn't going to do them any favors. Good luck ladies.[/QUOTE]The thing is, That kind of BS won't fly 99% of the time. But, imagine this. You are a nerdy, awkward smart as hell rich guy, who gets intense attention from a hot babe, even if she is faking it. He has an easy spare $50 K to feed his ego and his under appreciated penis. I'm sure there are those guys who can afford and do pay what it takes. Few and far between though. The girls read these stories and hold out for the unicorn until most realize they are not going to get it. Then they bite for guys like us at $ / pop. I try to make them realize that every $ or $$ adds up over time. It's like the old joke repeated here many times. They all have a price.

Met POT #1 last week and she is a mixed 7/7. 5 with good kissing lips and D Cups on an average body. She says she is ready for the FC this week. We'll see

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2385989]The thing is, That kind of BS won't fly 99% of the time. But, imagine this. You are a nerdy, awkward smart as hell rich guy, who gets intense attention from a hot babe, even if she is faking it. He has an easy spare $50 K to feed his ego and his under appreciated penis. I'm sure there are those guys who can afford and do pay what it takes. Few and far between though. The girls read these stories and hold out for the unicorn until most realize they are not going to get it.[/QUOTE]It's easy for the author of that article to paint whatever picture she wants, who knows how much of it is really fact versus just an embellished version of her perspective.

But, let's say for a moment everything she said is true. It means the guy is a complete loser who happens to have money. Maybe the type who lucked upon a large inheritance or whatever. The fact that he would even want her to move in with him indicates he has no other options, and is unable to find a girlfriend any other way. Having an SB live with me sounds like an absolute nightmare. Can you imagine having to deal with all their mood swings and basically having most of the disadvantages of a wife or live-in GF, yet still having to give them a ridiculous allowance? I actually feel sorry for the guy. And again, not sure whether to believe her, but she claims he is crying about who ate all the ice cream?

There's not a woman around who respects a man who whines about stuff like that or who has not earned his money. Most decent women would find a guy with moderate income who has some ambition and drive more attractive than a trust-fund-baby who never learned how to earn his own possessions. No wonder he has to pay for company.