Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=NotYourAverage;3301291]That would explain a lot! I am not sure I care for the idea of clients doing the screening. Maybe leaving EE for greener pastures has not led her to the Garden of Eden she was seeking.[/QUOTE]Fake news, dude. TGM is lost, doesn't know the story at all.

This is kinda a bullshit rant, but it kills me when a provider texts and begs for a session as though they have no money, which maybe the case. But to then try to negotiate the price is bs. Also it is bs to text asking for a session saying how they will be homeless, not eating, water going to be shut off (called her out on this one as her building has water / heat included in rent). The reasons keep coming. What I also wanted to say but didn't want to be to blunt and piss her off as I do like her company when I am in mood to see her, but there are so many good providers out there and alot of different varieties. This is the reason I am single. I by choice perfer and choose which lady I would like to spend my time and money with. It sucks when a provider sees a person that they have seen muliple times and thinks this is now my sugardaddy, paycheck. Etc. Sorry for the rant, but it gets old hearing the same bullshit. Also, it is not cool to send text message offering discounts, I would perfer better quality instead. This would keep it more appealing and interested. Been along time since I spent time with a provider and after I left the pure thought of our time together got me hard and wanting to visit as quick as possible. Some of them as of late leave me thinking I should have saved my money and just took care of my business myself. I guess I keep going at this hoping to find the perfect one. If by chance and you know who you are and read this. Make the experience additive. And no upselling! Thanks.

[QUOTE=TapThat;3301599]This is kinda a bullshit rant, but it kills me when a provider texts and begs for a session as though they have no money, which maybe the case. But to then try to negotiate the price is bs. Also it is bs to text asking for a session saying how they will be homeless, not eating, water going to be shut off (called her out on this one as her building has water / heat included in rent). The reasons keep coming. What I also wanted to say but didn't want to be to blunt and piss her off as I do like her company when I am in mood to see her, but there are so many good providers out there and alot of different varieties. This is the reason I am single. I by choice perfer and choose which lady I would like to spend my time and money with. It sucks when a provider sees a person that they have seen muliple times and thinks this is now my sugardaddy, paycheck. Etc. Sorry for the rant, but it gets old hearing the same bullshit. Also, it is not cool to send text message offering discounts, I would perfer better quality instead. This would keep it more appealing and interested. Been along time since I spent time with a provider and after I left the pure thought of our time together got me hard and wanting to visit as quick as possible. Some of them as of late leave me thinking I should have saved my money and just took care of my business myself. I guess I keep going at this hoping to find the perfect one. If by chance and you know who you are and read this. Make the experience additive. And no upselling! Thanks.[/QUOTE]I totally understand your thoughts and position. I actually saw a provider on two different occasions and we had a nice time, but it was not like we were in some profound relationship. She had the audacity to text me and offered a discount because she had to pay her room bill. When I didn't immediately answer the text, she started calling my phone while I'm in a meeting. I'm looking at the number and wondering WTF.

I was slightly taken aback because I figured she had the game twisted, the rules of engagement screwed up, and that I had a Sugar Daddy stamp on my forehead. I think if she had just come straight out and asked for a favor, I probably would have assisted, but buttering me up with BS like, she knows that she is my ATF. I never said that!

Needless to say. That number was deleted.

Go see Chrissy and post a review, then go see someone else and post a review. No one can reach anyone, especially for refs. Everyone's number changes.

Just start over and give them your USASG name to check your reviews.

[QUOTE=Thammer;3300480]I have asked this before with no replies, so maybe better luck on this forum. I am not new to the hobby; just been away for awhile. I used to have another screen name with reviews. So, being out of the hobby for a year and only seeing one girl last year who is no longer on here; how can I use references? The 1st girl I visited was Remy, if any one remembers her. She never asked for references. The 2nd girl was Nati, she didn't either. The 3rd didn't either. I think the 5th finally did but I'm pretty sure she didn't even check them out she just asked and said come on over. I did ask her how some of these girls verify references. She said they keep your number and will put a note by your number. So when they get a text they can communicate back. It just never seemed like a method that would always work, because those references would have to be girls that she communicates with, because if not what if the references never hit her back to verify, or what if they say something bad just cause they want you calling them. All of this isn't even my problem or question. My question is; being out of the hobby for so long and lets say all my references are willing to text back with the ok. None of them are currently listed, and now I have a new number. So all I can do is tell them some references and they can do what girls in the past have done; just take me on my word that I have seen them. Could I get some opinions on this. And maybe some some girls who arent so reference heavy; that would most likey be ok with me telling them 5 names that I have seen. I think Crissy is still out there but like I said, I have a new number, and how many girls are going to keep my number for 3 years listed in their phone, its and old number anyway. I still don't know how this reference thing works. I mean I do, I just don't see all the girls texting right back like "yea, he cool girl" LOL. I can see some not getting back at, unless its someone they communicate with regularly. Plus, couldn't they just tell them "no, don't see him" in hopes that he will contact them instead. ADVICE PLEASE.[/QUOTE]

Okay- I am new to this, yes. But can someone please help. Every time I look for anyone on all the sites there is always about 6 super hot chicks that no one mentions at all. Is this just not brought up bc you all know they are fake? Would someone be willing to help me get a freaking hot chick- For sure- and know when to swipe right?

Haha Thanks- I really appreciate it and work in the public field of Dayton-so I never pull the trigger cause I have so much to lose.

I have a super cute GF that's hotter than 90% of these chicks. But I am a bit of a adventurist if you know what I mean.

Any help guys- thank you so much!

[QUOTE=Marcus00;3301850]Okay- I am new to this, yes. But can someone please help. Every time I look for anyone on all the sites there is always about 6 super hot chicks that no one mentions at all. Is this just not brought up bc you all know they are fake? Would someone be willing to help me get a freaking hot chick- For sure- and know when to swipe right?

Haha Thanks- I really appreciate it and work in the public field of Dayton-so I never pull the trigger cause I have so much to lose.

I have a super cute GF that's hotter than 90% of these chicks. But I am a bit of a adventurist if you know what I mean.

Any help guys- thank you so much![/QUOTE]I am new to this also but have spent a lot of time rtff and searching. You have to search the forum, google phone numbers and search images with tineye or google. Bottom line is yes most of the ads you reference are TGTBT. If safety is your concern, I suggest you rtff and stick to girls who have a history of good reviews. Check out the girls on USA. Alternatively, you can toftt and share the experience on this board. Good luck. SS.

[QUOTE=Marcus00;3301850]Okay- I am new to this, yes. But can someone please help. Every time I look for anyone on all the sites there is always about 6 super hot chicks that no one mentions at all. Is this just not brought up bc you all know they are fake? Would someone be willing to help me get a freaking hot chick- For sure- and know when to swipe right?

Haha Thanks- I really appreciate it and work in the public field of Dayton-so I never pull the trigger cause I have so much to lose.

I have a super cute GF that's hotter than 90% of these chicks. But I am a bit of a adventurist if you know what I mean.

Any help guys- thank you so much![/QUOTE]Go with a girl that you see is highly reviewed. This site is flooded with fakes now that backpage went down. Unfortunately, most of the real ones aren't very hot IMO. The hot ones come and go. I've banged some awesome chicks on this site. Think of it like the stock market. The real stock market is up, USA stock is down.

With the recent dustup on here between BR and Brookee I just wanted to highlight a couple of things that seem to have been lost.

The ladies on here are first and foremost, businesswomen; independent contractors, or even employed by someone. The hobbyists on here need to recognize that fact. Their reputations, ARE the currency of the realm around here for every provider. There are ladies that are unreliable, lay there like a dead fish, don; t kiss, do kiss, give the best service ever, or the worst--The reviews we give should and will highlight these FACTS about your particular experience. The problem that I want to address is when we deviate from these things in a cupla ways--1) As consumers or providers on this site, no one should EVER traffic in rumor--If you saw a needle or a track mark, you should report EXACTLY that, If her service isn't up to par, you should report EXACTLY that, If she is out of it, report it. BUT, don't take whatever research you have done, and combine it with a misperceived slight, to jump to conclusions. BR and Brookee have been wonderful, mostly reliable providers on here--report they are hard to get a hold of, don; t bring in rumor and innuendo about dope boy boyfriends and multiple mongers screening--Give them the credit their reputations have earned--And call them out when they slip up. 2) Negotiating--and this is more for the providers than the mongers--When there is an advertised price associated with a time, Don; t negotiate--You are business women, Take care of business-I work from xxx time to yyyy time, I'll return texts no later than 15 minutes if I am in an appointment, and my rates are zzzz" That's it--the second someone tells you he will give you less than you advertised, tell him to pound sand--If you are a good provider, and you are professional, the clients will come to you. And guys--a little consideration for the ladies as well--They are working hard for us--Unless there is a question about what is on the menu or the price, don; t try and haggle too hard. This is their living, If you have the discretionary income to partake, do it without nickle and dimeing them to the penny--let them pay for an extra pair of shoes for their child or dog--they will appreciate it! 3) Communication--From both sides. If you get a text, return it when you can, and state clearly in your ad, that your window to return is 15 minutes, to prevent unwanted texts 3 hrs later when the SO is now within hearing distance of the phone. DO NOT return texts or calls many hours later, or unsolicited, UNLESS you have enough of a relationship with the guy that you know there is no SO and you won; t be screwing them by texting late. When you set an appointment--Stick with it!! If something comes up, communicate that you can; t do it now--you should NEVER, EVER ghost someone. For Mongers--Same rules apply--Send a text every 15 minutes for about an hour, or let her know in your initial text she can respond at anytime with no problem. If you set an appointment, keep it--If something comes up, communicate-If you send out 4 text to find a providers, When you get a bite and make an appointment, have the common courtesy to resend the text to the ones you didn't choose, saying you are no longer interested--NEVER EVER ghost someone.

This is my opinion about this--It may seem like I am Knighting--really not trying to, just want everyone involved to remember that this is a business, no different, functionally, than walking into a restaurant, giving (and taking) an order and providing the services requested for a defined fee. Don; t give shitty Yelp Reviews because your ex-girlfriend works there or the Manager cut you off on the highway, or try to get the waiter to give you the Filet for the price of the Ribeye.

[QUOTE=Marcus00;3301850]Okay- I am new to this, yes. But can someone please help. Every time I look for anyone on all the sites there is always about 6 super hot chicks that no one mentions at all. Is this just not brought up bc you all know they are fake? Would someone be willing to help me get a freaking hot chick- For sure- and know when to swipe right?

Haha Thanks- I really appreciate it and work in the public field of Dayton-so I never pull the trigger cause I have so much to lose.

I have a super cute GF that's hotter than 90% of these chicks. But I am a bit of a adventurist if you know what I mean.

Any help guys- thank you so much![/QUOTE]I too have a lot to lose. So 99% of the time, I stick with the ones who have reviews. Sometimes I'll see a provider with only one review if I trust that person's review. After a while, you'll get a sense for whose reviews you can rely on. After a while, you also get a sense for which ads are fake. If they look TGTBT, they almost always are.

[QUOTE=CactusIago;3302654]With the recent dustup on here between BR and Brookee I just wanted to highlight a couple of things that seem to have been lost.

The ladies on here are first and foremost, businesswomen; independent contractors, or even employed by someone. The hobbyists on here need to recognize that fact. Their reputations, ARE the currency of the realm around here for every provider. There are ladies that are unreliable, lay there like a dead fish, don; t kiss, do kiss, give the best service ever, or the worst--The reviews we give should and will highlight these FACTS about your particular experience. The problem that I want to address is when we deviate from these things in a cupla ways--1) As consumers or providers on this site, no one should EVER traffic in rumor--If you saw a needle or a track mark, you should report EXACTLY that, If her service isn't up to par, you should report EXACTLY that, If she is out of it, report it. BUT, don't take whatever research you have done, and combine it with a misperceived slight, to jump to conclusions. BR and Brookee have been wonderful, mostly reliable providers on here--report they are hard to get a hold of, don; t bring in rumor and innuendo about dope boy boyfriends and multiple mongers screening--Give them the credit their reputations have earned--And call them out when they slip up. 2) Negotiating--and this is more for the providers than the mongers--When there is an advertised price associated with a time, Don; t negotiate--You are business women, Take care of business-I work from xxx time to yyyy time, I'll return texts no later than 15 minutes if I am in an appointment, and my rates are zzzz" That's it--the second someone tells you he will give you less than you advertised, tell him to pound sand--If you are a good provider, and you are professional, the clients will come to you. And guys--a little consideration for the ladies as well--They are working hard for us--Unless there is a question about what is on the menu or the price, don; t try and haggle too hard. This is their living, If you have the discretionary income to partake, do it without nickle and dimeing them to the penny--let them pay for an extra pair of shoes for their child or dog--they will appreciate it! 3) Communication--From both sides. If you get a text, return it when you can, and state clearly in your ad, that your window to return is 15 minutes, to prevent unwanted texts 3 hrs later when the SO is now within hearing distance of the phone. DO NOT return texts or calls many hours later, or unsolicited, UNLESS you have enough of a relationship with the guy that you know there is no SO and you won; t be screwing them by texting late. When you set an appointment--Stick with it!! If something comes up, communicate that you can; t do it now--you should NEVER, EVER ghost someone. For Mongers--Same rules apply--Send a text every 15 minutes for about an hour, or let her know in your initial text she can respond at anytime with no problem. If you set an appointment, keep it--If something comes up, communicate-If you send out 4 text to find a providers, When you get a bite and make an appointment, have the common courtesy to resend the text to the ones you didn't choose, saying you are no longer interested--NEVER EVER ghost someone.

This is my opinion about this--It may seem like I am Knighting--really not trying to, just want everyone involved to remember that this is a business, no different, functionally, than walking into a restaurant, giving (and taking) an order and providing the services requested for a defined fee. Don; t give shitty Yelp Reviews because your ex-girlfriend works there or the Manager cut you off on the highway, or try to get the waiter to give you the Filet for the price of the Ribeye.[/QUOTE]You sound like the same guy who came up with the 'Rules for mongering". Prostitution has been going on since the beginning of time. Its really not that difficult to figure out.

[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;3303647]You sound like the same guy who came up with the 'Rules for mongering". Prostitution has been going on since the beginning of time. Its really not that difficult to figure out.[/QUOTE]Well stated. Many here have far too much time on their hands and worship the prostitutes. Do not take that the wrong way, There are some sweet women out there, but for the most part they are simply Prostitutes. Most could care less whom you are or what you feel. It is business. Those that put too much into this make it bad for everyone because they accept the second class treatment like a high school kid getting his first feel of a boom in the hall. I am a handsome guy, but, with all due respect, even if I were a fat pig like some, I would not take the treatment. I did not have a pleasing experience with said woman and I will never be back. That simple. No review needed. There are many I have taken off the list that I have not even got to know because of GPS or they are simply a b-tch or skanky, or poor hygiene. Etc. Not too much brain trust to figure it out. If you have tons of money to expire, they will all love you dearly regardless of how you treat THEM. WELL SAID! Dilsboro!

[QUOTE=DickHerDown;3302506]Go with a girl that you see is highly reviewed. This site is flooded with fakes now that backpage went down. Unfortunately, most of the real ones aren't very hot IMO. The hot ones come and go. I've banged some awesome chicks on this site. Think of it like the stock market. The real stock market is up, USA stock is down.[/QUOTE]USA stock market is down lmao! I hate that all the Backpage bull shit is all over our site now as well being a provider before, you wake, you post and wait for your friends to call. NOW. You have to post every few hours just so your friends know that your working smh. It's crazy sometimes! Hope everyone had a great weekend xoxo!!

[QUOTE=CrissyLynn2015;3305504]USA stock market is down lmao! I hate that all the Backpage bull shit is all over our site now as well being a provider before, you wake, you post and wait for your friends to call. NOW. You have to post every few hours just so your friends know that your working smh. It's crazy sometimes! Hope everyone had a great weekend xoxo!![/QUOTE]Body and get instant wood darling What an amazingly HOT woman and what a variety of items any normal male would love to try with her. UMMMM UM UMMM!!

Thanks to everyone here who has posted reviews that have been so helpful to me the past 6 months. Obviously have had some great, good and so so dates. Fortunately have not had any of the nasty bad experiences some have had.

I just got my senior status and look forward to many more years of great times and continued help from others and to help others as well.

Ladies, just a noteworthy tidbit of advice that many of you already know but a few have yet to master.

If you meet some of us older gentry, it may take some coaxing and cooing to get the hammer ready. In other words, we're not walking in the door with a raging full-on bull elephant in our pants. So, once it is ready and you're asked for a position change or other extremely simple request, do NOT roll your eyes because you are wanting to finish 10 minutes into a 30 minute session.

The eye-roll will, no.1, kill the mood. No.2, the hammer will be even more difficult to get back to form. I'm sure there's a no.3 and 4, but I think you get the point.

In the short, the eye-roll is a complete buzz kill unless of course it's an eye-roll with a grin over a disgusting or bad joke.

Rant over.

TGM