Hot Young Asian Girls

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7116283]Politics aside, a certain pandemic did occur in the last 4 years. I'm sure that had something to due with price increases too.[/QUOTE]Well, I would argue it wasn't the pandemic that caused inflation to hit a 40-year high, it was the government response to the pandemic that caused it. When you flood the economy with trillions of dollars and, at the same time, supply chains are broken because you needlessly shut down the global economy, that will cause inflation to rise sky-high.

Too many dollars chasing too few goods = high inflation. That's Economics 101. But that's what happens when no one in the government understands basic economics.

She was still 350 when Boner put her on the list right before Thanksgiving. Not only that, I also vouched for her same day as Thicc Young Asian and professed his love for her butt. It appeared I also served as the tie breaker between you and Leleusampa02 and convinced Ashwind to try her.

Now we see that she has raised her rate AND also decided to stay 7 days longer than originally planned. Yeah, I think she saw my posts haha. Same thing with Mocha raising rate going from LA to OC. Mocha lowered her rate before I joined in and certified her. Not only that, I might have helped CandyGirlLA to become popular, cause at some point I started to default to use CG ad link for girls I saw with other agencies. It might have hasten the collapse of other bookers. I was sad to see the OGs didn't support those bookers enough with reviews and biz.

So either the girls and bookers overestimate my importance or I do have some effects. I didn't think I matter that much, but I can't just stay silence on my favorites in hope she won't raise rate or be to busy to book. I know that certain girls will get an uptick in business if they are mentioned in HYA thread.

I had always tried to control inflation by spreading the love with reviews for many young girls. I was fighting against exclusivity and scarcity of HYAs, but not enough bros helped with reviews. Both TER and here review MILFs way more than HYAs. The end result is that it's harder for new younger girls to compete in SoCal against BB MILFs.

It's probably also scary for those HYAs to come here and get pressured to BB everybody. The few established HYAs certainly think they are better than MILFs, and since they think they have no new competition, it's inevitable they will try to raise rate after seeing other girls successfully raised their rate.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7116280]Seems like most girls in SBC's orbit goes GPS sooner or later. But it's odd that she upped it in the middle of her tour. Usually it's at the start. I want to say that the recent uptick chatter about her and her inclusion in Boner's list got to her head. The timing just seems too coincidental. Goes to show you to be mindful of what you post here as it may well get back to the girl eventually.

Or am I missing something here? If would be wonderful if someone chimed in who saw her during this tour on what might have caused her to increase her donation (weight loss, better service, surgical enchancements, etc.).[/QUOTE]

Nobody reviewed her yet. She only worked 1 day last week I think. I don't expect 1st day review. According to the most trusted Boner Source (BS), pics are fake but she's just as young and cute, if not cuter.

[QUOTE=Dewpsp;7116290]LOL forgot to include where's the reviews. Really want to know if pics are accurate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7116584]She was still 350 when Boner put her on the list right before Thanksgiving. Not only that, I also vouched for her same day as Thicc Young Asian and professed his love for her butt. It appeared I also served as the tie breaker between you and Leleusampa02 and convinced Ashwind to try her.

Now we see that she has raised her rate AND also decided to stay 7 days longer than originally planned. Yeah, I think she saw my posts haha. Same thing with Mocha raising rate going from LA to OC. Mocha lowered her rate before I joined in and certified her. Not only that, I might have helped CandyGirlLA to become popular, cause at some point I started to default to use CG ad link for girls I saw with other agencies. It might have hasten the collapse of other bookers. I was sad to see the OGs didn't support those bookers enough with reviews and biz.[/QUOTE]Regardless of what happens as a result, I think we should all just keep doing what we have been doing: providing honest and truthful posts, reviews, and feedback on girls we've met. I'm sure everyone has had the experience of having a blast with a girl that others didn't click with or vice versa. The important thing is to share as much as you're comfortable with so everyone can benefit from your insight. I'm sure that you'll benefit from other's experience in return.

We can't control what the girl will do or how she'll respond. Whether she rides out the hype train with constant bookings or increases her rate to work less and make the same or more is out of our hands. That said, what we mongers [B][i]can[/i][/B] do is react individually. It's your money; see her at the new rate if you think she's still worth it. Or pivot to another promising girl. The great thing about this forum is that you can get very good info and nuance to help you make an informed decision. You can solicit feedback to gauge whether a girl is worth seeing even at a higher price. For me, Ooyu was good but too curvy for me. At $500/ hr, she firmly falls into the "not recommended" category if anyone asks me. Unless you really really like huge natural tits and a curvy figure. If that's what you want, far be it for me to steer you off course.

My take on the pulse of the kgirl scene is that there will always be a demand for GFE only, BB MILFs, and HYAs. As long as that demand doesn't dry up, the respective categories will still exist. My guess is that from highest demand to lowest demand BB MILFs, HYAs, GFE only. I have absolutely no clue the actual percentages but from what I've experienced the preceding is a decent ballpark estimation. We have champions that take the vanguard for each category but I think most of us, including me, dabble in each category to provide variety and satisfy our curiosity.

I'll make a separate post on bookers.

[QUOTE=Ashwind;7115967]I was considering seeing Baby Ooyu and I am thankful to all who replied to my inquiry. But I got the flu and have to wait till I recover. But god damn. Did Trump put a Tariff on Kpussy since its stealing all the White Pussy job. Baby Ooyu jumped from $350 to $500, for GFE alone! I would have bite the bullet if its for $500 with bffs and msog but not for GFE w / msog. I guess I have to see another girl when I recover.[/QUOTE]You can blame the rich simps spending bookoo money on some of these girls. I wouldn't doubt some girls make more in tips than actual fees. You got some guys blowing their savings on these ladies. Can't blame girls like Ooyu for raising the prices if they only need to bone 3-4 sugar daddies but fuck man, it ruins the game for the rest of us.

We may say, what's the big deal with 2 chicks, but everything started somewhere, even BB upcharges, which unfortunately I might also have helped make popular unintentionally. I was a fan of giving the people what they wanted after all, except MILFs, cause I tried to avoid new MILFs.

SBC did all the things I thought of doing if I started an HYA Club. They surely knew of this thread and even had a search filter for HYA before. They managed to poach at least 2 girls from other bookers to go GPS already. I had not tried to hype them up cause you know what will happen.

If we make them popular then you will be looking at much higher rate for HYA across the board. Two of the things I wanted was to provide pleasant and safe working experience for HYA and higher rate to recruit them easier. I heard more than one girls that they came here cause their friends introduced them.

So yeah, [b]our wallets and reviews can help bring more talents[/b]. It's like voting. It's the only power we have but not enough people use it. Only reason I went public was cause I felt we didn't have enough reviewers and customers and I felt that things would turn bad for my taste if I didn't do something.

I was accused of being a "hypist" before so I still haven't "hyped" up more young girls. I didn't like it at all that young girls left early while MILFs stayed way too long. I am contemplating new things for the next Boner Administration cause all I care about is new young talents haha. Bros haven't seen me going full hype yet.

[QUOTE=BigZhangMang;7116343]So 2 out of 50 chicks charging over $5 bills, motivated you to write this post? Have you not heard of SBC? Couple of their chicks were charging $800 all in. Thank Goodness those two chicks are on vacation or wherever. If anyone thinks Trump's tariffs on goods and raw materials was bad, wait till he starts fuckin' with immigration laws. We're not getting the influx of talent these days because they're staying closer to home. Singapore and Australia have similar earning potential for them and it ain't too far from home.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7116864]I heard more than one girls that they came here cause their friends introduced them.


So yeah, [b]our wallets and reviews can help bring more talents[/b]..[/QUOTE]I've heard of this concept before, and it's a very problematic concept imo. Because if you put getting new hyas to come here before the integrity of reviews, then you get this loop of writing exaggerated reviews with no real negatives just to butter up the girls so they'd tell their friends oh it's so easy to make $$$ here you should come.

What ends up happening is that people who don't ant more hyas to come straight up lie an give all these mediocre / rudimentary service girls 9's in service and shit.

I think it's dishonest and sad when a real service MILF who swallows all your spunk after no hand DTing your cock and spending 50 minutes of fucking you hard as hell. Gets the same service grade as hyas who just lie around and take it. Just because people want hyas to get good reviews so they stay.

Why not just give HYas great grades in f / b / looks and what they deserve in service / skills? Fair and honest.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7116864]We may say, what's the big deal with 2 chicks, but everything started somewhere, even BB upcharges, which unfortunately I might also have helped make popular unintentionally. I was a fan of giving the people what they wanted after all, except MILFs, cause I tried to avoid new MILFs.[/QUOTE]I am so easy that all you need to tell me is she's young OR good looking. HYAs cover both in a way where most of us 80% agree on the list (and almost nothing else). I have literally read reviews on young girls where the guy hated her, but I knew from the review I'd love her. I see "Shy and nervous" and I make that girl smile and feel confident. I see "weak face but fantastic body" and I turn things around by turning her around. I see "totally new and inexperienced" and get an instant erection.

I'll speak to your other points, take heart that I see many new people trying and we don't want to pressure them to do more. Rather, encourage the others to come out and play. Everyone has to work with their level of comfort. But some tough love does help because they need to take over. It will happen slower than you want but it will, no matter what we do now actually.

You did bring in more customers, however you will not see it. It is the same as planting seeds for a forest that we will never see. An extremely slow process without feedback. A good farmer drops seeds without looking back at them. A few have thanked me for intel, that's natural. But I have said near my last roster that if I have ever done someone a good favor, I only ask that they share intel and treat women right. I didn't do things for the thanks, but for the forest. Don't worry about it, anyone who wants to be done should quit while they are happy. Life is short.

I reviewed Allie by starting with "The age old dilemma, if I gatekeep a girl I can book her more easily and she is a little bit fresher when I see her. Or, I can reward the girl by shouting from the rooftops that she is wonderful. I tend to do the latter"

Ive seen many OC reviewers make a lot of great reviews suddenly, but only for a few months. Then they returned to their normal lives - it was always going to be a temporary thing. Or one guy finds the one and repeats nonstop, he gave his review that's all we can ask of him. Or even guys who were literally so satisfied from kgirls that they have been made whole and then quit kgirls for life being content for the rest of their days. Not a bad thing, quite the opposite.

My first visit Allie told me she didn't know if she was going to be here another week. So I reviewed her. She's now been in San Diego 5 months. This would not have happened if I made up good things about some average girl. My word does not have any such power. She is actually top tier, and I linked 6 other reviewers who came to the same conclusion. SD has "kept" several top tier girls from rotating back to OC for ridiculous stretches of time, when they were orignally considering just 1 week in SD. One of those girls I saw 11 times in 5 weeks and it wasn't just me. It is the perfect combination of weaponized thirst and desperation that is unique to a small market. SD also has a huge AMP market and those guys would dip into korgs every time a top tier girl was found, so the extreme dynamic doesn't quite work the same in OC and LA.

Allie is so good looking to me that if I were in college with her I wouldn't even bother trying. I'd just give up.

There are many reasons for rate changes. Psychology, demand, limits, frequency, short tours. Psychology means a girl feels more comfortable with a certain rate, I know this for a fact. Demand is if a girl is fully booked, of course she should charge higher. Corgs do this, starting a girl 500 then dropping to 400 - in that case it's actually fair and reasonable. There is limit, where a girl cannot take "ten dicks a day" to borrow NYC terminology. So a higher rate is appropriate if the dicks are very happy. And then there is frequency, where a girl loves ten dicks a day, so a lower rate is the right way to maximize earnings. People will hate for me to say this, but maximizing short-term earnings tends to ruin long-term earnings, and that the optimal response is a higher rate NOT lower. We have to think from their perspective, not ours. Short tours should explain itself, sometimes a girl has no choice but to do a short tour for personal reasons don't blame her. There is a 6th reason I won't say because it is an essay on economic theory. In any case, the most common reason is not what people think.

I don't say these things normally since it doesn't help to know. People don't like hearing it, they'd be much happier if I lied to them. It doesn't help, the only question is what we should do. I will say complaining won't do anything. People will vote with their wallets, and the final result is still going to be exactly what we have now and are complaining about. Luxury pricing must exist in every hobby, though we can try to limit it. Some of the SBC girls are worth it to those who see them. It does not matter if others don't feel the same.

As you say, the end game is we can't hype girls. I do the opposite because I consider it even more important to prevent disappointment than to highlight girls worth seeing. Basic description of girls is one solution. Some guys are very strict on details like hair, skin tone, boobs, manmade vs natural, height, weight, face vs body, service. When a guy shows up to see a girl he does not like, both lose. Money is not worth it, I won't go into the details they aren't pleasant. Yet many times basic details could have prevented this. It can sometimes be a simple as a guy being over the moon finding a girl with short black hair and palen white skin, literally everything else is forgiven when they hit their personal jackpot. And that jackpot is different for every single guy! The goal is a girl gets a bunch of regulars who are 100% satisfied, and avoids guys who will hate them. A good example is a thiiiiick girl who is very cute, one guy runs to her one gun runs away from her. Hope that makes sense.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7116864]We may say, what's the big deal with 2 chicks, but everything started somewhere, even BB upcharges, which unfortunately I might also have helped make popular unintentionally. I was a fan of giving the people what they wanted after all, except MILFs, cause I tried to avoid new MILFs.

SBC did all the things I thought of doing if I started an HYA Club. They surely knew of this thread and even had a search filter for HYA before. They managed to poach at least 2 girls from other bookers to go GPS already. I had not tried to hype them up cause you know what will happen.

If we make them popular then you will be looking at much higher rate for HYA across the board. Two of the things I wanted was to provide pleasant and safe working experience for HYA and higher rate to recruit them easier. I heard more than one girls that they came here cause their friends introduced them.

So yeah, [b]our wallets and reviews can help bring more talents[/b]. It's like voting. It's the only power we have but not enough people use it. Only reason I went public was cause I felt we didn't have enough reviewers and customers and I felt that things would turn bad for my taste if I didn't do something.

I was accused of being a "hypist" before so I still haven't "hyped" up more young girls. I didn't like it at all that young girls left early while MILFs stayed way too long. I am contemplating new things for the next Boner Administration cause all I care about is new young talents haha. Bros haven't seen me going full hype yet.[/QUOTE]At the end of the of the day, no amount of hype will make or break a girl. Sure for a short time but if you truly had a good time, you're more than free to say so. When the hype, deserved or not, dies down, a girl survives off regulars more or less. The brothers who put them in a rotation can then make the decision of when enough is enough.

[QUOTE=Aaabbbccc123;7117000]Hey at taliesin, kind clearing your inbox so I can message you?

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[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]I've heard of this concept before, and it's a very problematic concept imo. Because if you put getting new hyas to come here before the integrity of reviews, then you get this loop of writing exaggerated reviews with no real negatives just to butter up the girls so they'd tell their friends oh it's so easy to make $$$ here you should come.

What ends up happening is that people who don't ant more hyas to come straight up lie an give all these mediocre / rudimentary service girls 9's in service and shit.

I think it's dishonest and sad when a real service MILF who swallows all your spunk after no hand DTing your cock and spending 50 minutes of fucking you hard as hell. Gets the same service grade as hyas who just lie around and take it. Just because people want hyas to get good reviews so they stay.

Why not just give HYas great grades in f / b / looks and what they deserve in service / skills? Fair and honest.[/QUOTE]That is correct. HYA may get good grades in looks and lower in service, and Service queens may score high in performance and lower in looks. They are both different features to grade, not a IMO. We can only hope that the HYAs will grow into service queens before they lose their looks and that we can catch them at their peak in both looks and service.

I meant "hype" as in making people fear they missing out, and when they join the club, they will be hyped up and glad to be in it, that kind of hype. Constant publicity like the media campaigning for someone. Like Pepsi being hyped cause people have short attention span. I can take HYA club to the next level if I was true baller.

Market is irrational and prone to manipulation. Full analytics and honest intel to help them make better decision. People have threatened to quit the Kgirls before cause they were unhappy with the choices. I was sure we lost many OGs after TER and this site went dark cause of lack of intel. That was why I showed up to help.

[QUOTE=PogeyBait;7117490]At the end of the of the day, no amount of hype will make or break a girl. Sure for a short time but if you truly had a good time, you're more than free to say so. When the hype, deserved or not, dies down, a girl survives off regulars more or less. The brothers who put them in a rotation can then make the decision of when enough is enough.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]Why not just give HYas great grades in f / b / looks and what they deserve in service / skills? Fair and honest.[/QUOTE]I believe grades don't work, I've written a lot on why. I have seen Boner and Zebra grade a long list of women and each one simply has a different type. Boner rates a girl S tier that Zebra rates C, Boner rates a girl C tier that Zebra rates an S. And just to be clear, they both have more similarities in taste than other guys. For years I have shared photos of girls I thought were 8's to 10's and my friends would rate them 4's to 6's while rating some of the 8's a perfect 10. I do the same with latinas guys think are 8's to 10's, most of them are 4's to 6's. Disgust is the best word to describe it, though I periodically find exceptions.

We can't agree on the rating, not even close. But we all 80% agree that a girl looks under 30 and is above average looking. That standard is clear because many will look way younger than 30 and look way better than average. I did meticulous work to prove this is true including coming up with my HYA list without even looking at Boner's list, then finding it nearly identical anyways. Likewise, we tend to grade women on other stats consistently. Hair, height, body type, weight, and so on. HYA is no different if not more consistent. There is a more important reason, when I meet and discuss girls with someone else who likes HYA, the girls we like overlap a ton. I have actually met guys who had nearly identical list of 6-8 OC favorites, out of 50 girls. 80% overlap. Shouldn't be hard to imagine, if someone downright loved GILFs and compared notes with another GILF hunter, it would be 80% overlap too. And that's why we label girls HYA, MILF, GILF. We all have two eyes and tend to agree.

Even worse is TER. I've called out guys who give a majority of women a perfect 10 in looks. See for yourself, 4 out of 7 girls are perfect 10's:

[URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/searchbyreviewerResults.asp?MemberName=gburn[/URL]

TER is full of this. This is no longer a difference of opinion, it is just not honest. No different than guys who call a 40's MILF as 20. Most of the time we caught someone doing that, it was clear they didn't even see the girl. But even in cases where he did see the girl, such exaggerations are worthless. Out of 110 agency girls I give 1% a perfect 10, just 1. Maybe 2 more by rounding 9.5s I'm not sure which way should round. This guy gave 57% perfect 10s and he's not alone. So I'm all for differences of opinion but sometimes it is just too obvious the person is lying. Exaggerating to the extreme is just lying with extra steps. It's especially clear when you actually read the TER review and see a person's grade nowhere near matches his words. That's actually the norm, some guys only give 4's to 6's but their reviews are quite positive (and don't correlate to their number even). In local markets I literally know who reviewed a girl when I run across a 4 to 6! It's just the same guy! Such absolutely useless intel. Then there are guys who write out a positive review and give a 6, then a mediocre review and give an 8. Let me spell it out, if a reviewer cannot even be internally consistent, then his reviews are literally misinformation.

I've linked to plenty of examples of this in the past, but anyone who has read TER reviews already knows this. I used to read through thousands of TER reviews until I realized it didn't even help me choose a girl since I have particular tastes and the reviews rarely give any intel on that.

I'm not saying don't use grades, go ahead. It's just useless to me. Accurate factual descriptions are all that matter to a lot of people. Just tell me if a girl is young, what her body is like, how tall she is. Each one of these things is missing from the majority of TER reviews, but matter more than the entire TER reviews. There are PLEASER reviews where I can literally tell I'll like a girl that the reviewer didn't like, because he described the girl. I rushed to see her, of course I liked her. PLEASER reviews are fundamentally better because they remind people of the bare minimum. Don't even get me started on the fan fiction that fills TER that has caused problems. PM me for details, it is not pleasant for public discussion.

[URl]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33082-Agency-Discussion-and-Reviews&p=7084633&viewfull=1#post7084633[/URL] "Tifa is very young" = 100% shill

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]I've heard of this concept before, and it's a very problematic concept imo. Because if you put getting new hyas to come here before the integrity of reviews, then you get this loop of writing exaggerated reviews[/QUOTE]I agree with what you say here, but I've never once seen that from Boner on any girl I've seen on his list. Not once. If you can show me even one example I know of I'll take that back. I think he is not using hype in the literal sense here, he's too modest is maybe the misunderstanding. For my part I have not uttered one good word about a girl that I didn't mean. I actually play it quite safe, if a girl is absolutely beautiful I say "She is very nice to look at". This is clearer in YMMV situations where it makes no sense to say a girl licked my ear if that might have been spontaneous. I'll just group things she did and say "she was playful during foreplay". If a girl does something unusual that multiple reviewers note, then I'll add it.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]I think it's dishonest and sad when a real service MILF who swallows all your spunk after no hand DTing your cock and spending 50 minutes of fucking you hard as hell. Gets the same service grade as hyas who just lie around and take it. Just because people want hyas to get good reviews so they stay.[/QUOTE]
This TER guy gave lots of glowing reviews including getting his cum getting swallowed. Unfortunately, he lazily clicks 6/6 for multiple girl saying all kinds of great things including look forward to repeating. There are a LOT of reviewers clicking numbers just to get the review over.
[URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/searchbyreviewerResults.asp?MemberName=Johnben1[/URL]

I used to love MILF service queens. After 10 years of them, I'm just done. You'll never hear me complain of them or say guys shouldn't see them, quite the opposite in my HYA lists I always remind guys that most guys should ignore my list and go after MILFs instead. That said, believe me when I say I'm just not interested in them anymore, with exceptions. I respect and appreciate them still, and if I toftt and get a MILF I think "here we go again" and brace myself.

I was neither pressuring people to review nor asking them to exaggerate. It's my knee jerk reaction whenever someone brings up rate or quality and I haven't banged a new HYA in a few days.

Just like you, I think it's dishonest when an MILF is described as being in her 20's, or even 30's when I think she might be 40+, or that she gets 9 in looks like HYA.

What is your looks and service score for this MILF and if you don't mind give her name? Did you go over 1 hour? That was like 2 minutes for clothes off / on, 8 minutes of BBBJDTCIMWS, 50 minutes of hard BBFSCIP.

Let's assume this is Juicy / Yuffie who I still haven't seen. That's a TER performance of 8, or a 9 if she forcefully DFK'ed me. Based on her pics, 6 in looks at best. That juicy ass and tits look tempting. Age range of 45-50. Now if there was a HYA who just lie there like a dead fish, I would give 4 in performance = She just laid there.

Back to HYA like Nali / Joah who had like 3 reviews while Tifa had 56 reviews in the same 2 months. Now you see why I am not happy about reviews. Anyway, I would give Nali an 8 in looks = She was really hot. I love her body that much and her face was easy on the eyes too. Her performance? 9 = I forgot it was a service. She DT'ed me like few others. The illusion of passion was off the chart. I thought I was a young stud and forgot I was old and this was a service.

Next there is Baby Evian. Also a 9 in performance. She made me think I was a porn star, the King, and I also forgot it was a service. Someone else said she had zero service. Digging further and I see that he just didn't like her attitude, or thought she was being too theatrical. She did all the menu items so I just chalked that up to chemistry issue.

Now you see why my first post in HYA thread didn't care about service.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;7117123]I've heard of this concept before, and it's a very problematic concept imo. Because if you put getting new hyas to come here before the integrity of reviews, then you get this loop of writing exaggerated reviews with no real negatives just to butter up the girls so they'd tell their friends oh it's so easy to make $$$ here you should come.

What ends up happening is that people who don't ant more hyas to come straight up lie an give all these mediocre / rudimentary service girls 9's in service and shit.

I think it's dishonest and sad when a real service MILF who swallows all your spunk after no hand DTing your cock and spending 50 minutes of fucking you hard as hell. Gets the same service grade as hyas who just lie around and take it. Just because people want hyas to get good reviews so they stay.

Why not just give HYas great grades in f / b / looks and what they deserve in service / skills? Fair and honest.[/QUOTE]