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[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6729087]Geez bro. Thanks for helping me dodge a bullet. Personality is HUGE for me. I don't see boring girls. I need a girl who can flirt with me and make me feel like teenagers in love. Not dealing with lame girls. That's why I quit dating apps a long time ago. Too much autism / lack of effort.

Please tell me you didn't pay her for the meet and greet?[/QUOTE]I NEVER pay for m&g. I already know it's a bad start if girl insist on getting paid for their "time. " no intimacy, no sugar, period.

[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6727764]You'll probably be surprised if I tell you this. I don't even have a single photo posted on my SA profile. So it's not all about looks but how well you write your first message to the girls. The girls on SA are not looking for hot model-looking guys since they know what SA is about, but looking for sincere mature gentlemen to take care of them. You just have to present yourself as a gentleman and if they're interested in what you have to offer to them then they will respond. So the girls who responded to my messages don't even know what I look like so looks don't matter initially.[/QUOTE]I would say looks matter only in terms of what they are going to ask. Obviously if you excel in the looks or personality dept it's going to help get you a lower rate. But no SB I have ever met has turned down a date based on those two things. If they are in no way attracted to you they are just going to ask more. But they are not totally lame. They know the higher the rate the greater the expectations are going to be.

Which is a ploy I have used many times in reverse. Offer very little but say you respect their boundaries. If the chemistry is there the boundaries get moved pretty fast. And if not or she is just a little more professional, well I will still make the most of whatever they are willing to give and then move on. I have never given in to an upsell, not even once in my life. They can take it or leave it and I can do the same.

Sometimes they will even call back and I just have to politely tell them I pay what I can afford, sorry. Recently lost my most regular regular. She met my live in GF and just decided she didn't want to compete. That was a 3-4 year arrangement. I guess she figured she had no chance of ever getting paid more. And she was right. Also had another great regular in L. A. That raised her rate. Hit it maybe 100+ times in 4 years. But sorry just can't do it anymore.

If money was no object I would probably feel differently. Just my current situation. A classic case of a middling wage earner in a Bidenomics economy.

This perspective, from one of the most experienced SDs on this site, shows that guys who message girls on the site, ask their ppms, and then post them here are wasting their time. Getting to 'yes' w / a SB is a negotiation. Or it should be. The response girls give to those messages (from among the *hundreds* they get) are like the MSRP on a new car. It is their standard, wished-for sugar. That doesn't mean they might not get involved in a much different scenario than they are thinking about for a much different amount.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6730431]I would say looks matter only in terms of what they are going to ask. Obviously if you excel in the looks or personality dept it's going to help get you a lower rate. But no SB I have ever met has turned down a date based on those two things. If they are in no way attracted to you they are just going to ask more. But they are not totally lame. They know the higher the rate the greater the expectations are going to be.

Which is a ploy I have used many times in reverse. Offer very little but say you respect their boundaries. If the chemistry is there the boundaries get moved pretty fast. And if not or she is just a little more professional, well I will still make the most of whatever they are willing to give and then move on. I have never given in to an upsell, not even once in my life. They can take it or leave it and I can do the same.

Sometimes they will even call back and I just have to politely tell them I pay what I can afford, sorry. Recently lost my most regular regular. She met my live in GF and just decided she didn't want to compete. That was a 3-4 year arrangement. I guess she figured she had no chance of ever getting paid more. And she was right. Also had another great regular in L. A. That raised her rate. Hit it maybe 100+ times in 4 years. But sorry just can't do it anymore.

If money was no object I would probably feel differently. Just my current situation. A classic case of a middling wage earner in a Bidenomics economy.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys. Visiting from out of town. What is "normal" ppm in LA? 600-700? Thanks.

[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6728976]Your review is very accurate. I was more generous and gave her a 7 for her body LOL.[/QUOTE]Bro, I am not trying to count your pocket or anything like that but do you have a set monthly budget on these SBs or do you just spend whatever? I would go broke if I indulged myself this much. However, I used to pick a month in a year where I would spend almost 10 grand on quality SBs. That lasted until 2 years ago and I am quite frugal now. Anyway, thanks for your contributions to this thread. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Citrus1999;6730379]I NEVER pay for m&g. I already know it's a bad start if girl insist on getting paid for their "time. " no intimacy, no sugar, period.[/QUOTE]Based as hell my dude. Down with simps who pay before getting the fishhole.

[QUOTE=WubbaDubz80;6730828]Hey guys. Visiting from out of town. What is "normal" ppm in LA? 600-700? Thanks.[/QUOTE]300-1 k is normal IMO. I never had trouble with 500 (my go to) but definitely have been laughed at by some girls LOL.

[QUOTE=Uncountable;6730856]Bro, I am not trying to count your pocket or anything like that but do you have a set monthly budget on these SBs or do you just spend whatever? I would go broke if I indulged myself this much. However, I used to pick a month in a year where I would spend almost 10 grand on quality SBs. That lasted until 2 years ago and I am quite frugal now. Anyway, thanks for your contributions to this thread. Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. I don't have a set budget. Honestly, if you need to set a budget for sugaring, maybe consider focusing on your work and achieving financial freedom before doing sugaring. Sugaring is always around so no need to rush into it.

[QUOTE=StevenWalker;6730865]Based as hell my dude. Down with simps who pay before getting the fishhole.[/QUOTE]I paid a Swiss chick 200 for a dinner date and it was the best investment ever. This girl was smoking hot, legit IG influencer. She's an easy 9.

I used to pay her 600 ppm but over time she would come over for 300-400. Saw her 2-3 x a week.

She had trust issues and doing the dinner really made her feel at ease.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6730713]This perspective, from one of the most experienced SDs on this site, shows that guys who message girls on the site, ask their ppms, and then post them here are wasting their time. Getting to 'yes' w / a SB is a negotiation. Or it should be. The response girls give to those messages (from among the *hundreds* they get) are like the MSRP on a new car. It is their standard, wished-for sugar. That doesn't mean they might not get involved in a much different scenario than they are thinking about for a much different amount.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing your comments are about my reviews since I'm the only one posting SB reviews recently. Maybe my reviews are useless to you but that's unfortunate because other members have found it useful and have shared their support. I agree with you that my reviews on SB's ppm are useless information to those who are fake daddies because they don't offer any and dislike it when other SDs offer it to SBs. After all, it just makes it harder for fake daddies to manipulate them.

[QUOTE=NitroHX;6731048]I paid a Swiss chick 200 for a dinner date and it was the best investment ever. This girl was smoking hot, legit IG influencer. She's an easy 9.

I used to pay her 600 ppm but over time she would come over for 300-400. Saw her 2-3 x a week.

She had trust issues and doing the dinner really made her feel at ease.[/QUOTE]YK, seeking has a companion website, whatsyourprice, where you are negotiating w / a girl for just the public date portion. I was recently invited by seeking to transfer my profile over to that site, they were going to give me 50 free credits to message girls. However, as I have a SO, I can't really do too much regular dating, so I haven't seriously considered this.

If anyone wants to TOFTT by getting a WYP membership, I would be interested to know about it. Of course it is possible that once you have had that initial date w / them, it could turn into something more, civvy or sugar.

[QUOTE=NitroHX;6731048]I paid a Swiss chick 200 for a dinner date and it was the best investment ever. This girl was smoking hot, legit IG influencer. She's an easy 9.

I used to pay her 600 ppm but over time she would come over for 300-400. Saw her 2-3 x a week.

She had trust issues and doing the dinner really made her feel at ease.[/QUOTE]I'm glad this method has worked out for you. It has worked 0/3 for me so far and hesitant to try again.

[QUOTE=AceMcNasty;6730191]This Brittney looks like my current blonde 19 yo SB.[/QUOTE]Yeah so if you ever get tired of her, send over her number!

[QUOTE=UnknownSD;6731454]I'm guessing your comments are about my reviews since I'm the only one posting SB reviews recently. Maybe my reviews are useless to you but that's unfortunate because other members have found it useful and have shared their support. I agree with you that my reviews on SB's ppm are useless information to those who are fake daddies because they don't offer any and dislike it when other SDs offer it to SBs. After all, it just makes it harder for fake daddies to manipulate them.[/QUOTE]Don't flatter yourself. I read several sugar threads across the US (Atlanta, Vegas, Richmond), to get general information about how people are sugaring, and they do it on all of them.

Man hearing some of the numbers being thrown around here lately is loco. 400 to 1000. I make good money and could afford higher ppms. I'm not rich but could still manage them. But why? I started in this game finding non-pros on Craigslist. With some dabbling on SA back then. You could find the same quality of girls on SA back then on CL for around 100-140,200 tops for an overnight. SA was always a bit more back then too. But not the amounts being thrown around now. Straight up asking for a PPM amount is not good. I've always negotiated. And if a chic is expecting a lot more. Then I'm like bye bye. I don't give in as well to buy up. I've said it before. I don't care how hot a girl is. If it's way more than I want to spend. Then bye bye. Had that happen with a hot Persian chic that wanted to upsell right at the meetup. After we had already negotiated beforehand. I was like nope, bye. My MO is negotiating before first meet. I don't usually do meet and greets. Only if the girl wants to do one. That way everything is clear and no need to waste time and money on dinners and such. The expectation is clear and we just meet up at the hotel, ready to go.

If you're a rich dude. Then fine I guess you can throw that money around. But just asking straight out for PPM amount. Is like agreeing to a prostitutes hourly amount. Which is not what a sugarbaby is normally meant to be. A non-pro. Doing this is what has driven up the price for a sugarbaby. I will keep negotiating.