Roy Cat is Right on the Money
Roy Cat has captured the overall nature of my experiences with his straight forward response, although it has been a while since I've been to several of the clubs mentioned. I stick with BBF for variety and better looking dancers, Babes East for an occasional change of scenery (not too many "chubsters" in my opinion, but I am a big fan of Cherry, who is probably the biggest girl in there, but sweet, smart, and very "attentive") , and tried Harem House a few times, but was not impressed with the offerings.
[QUOTE=Roy Cat;1242222]I've always found the inner city dive strip bars with less attractive girls offer the most mileage. In the better clubs, the more attractive girls can sell dances without doing anything extra so they don't do anything extra. I've also found black and hispanic girls here in Indianapolis to be a little more uninhibited so if you spot an attractive one in a club, you might try her. If you like blondes try Club Rio or Silk, if you like tall skinny girls try Pt's, If you like variety try Dancers, if you like chubsters try Babes East, and if you don't give a damn what they look like, try Harem House.[/QUOTE]
Johnny's Epic quest continues
I'm still on my magical quest of happiness. I've decided that I'm going to check out every club I can now in search of a good place to be a regular. I'll make a post about millage after this one, but the main observation I've noted is that there is always a tradeoff of some sort. I'm new to this still as I've only done this for a couple months so I appreciate any corrections from vets. Keep in mind I only go to clubs on day shift, so night shift is a whole other monster.
PT's: Holds a small place in my heart for several reasons. This place is more upscale and I believed is owned by a big company, maybe Hustler? If you're rich this is a great place to go. Day shift is usually light on customers and high on dancers (roughly 7-8). Better yet, this place opens at 11a and stays open until 3/5am. This place IS expensive though. Day shift alone charges $5 at the door. The back dances are $20 plus a $5 one time fee for a bracelet. The VIP room I didn't partake in but it's roughly $385ish an hour. The girls are for the most part all hot, some of the hottest you'll see. There's a reason for that. The management has many stipulations for them to keep their jobs (one is weight). Even though the dances are in booths you don't have as much privacy as you want because it is a house policy to have the doorman / extra stay back there and peak back from time to time. They have and will fire dancers if they catch anything in the act and you will be banned for a year. Don't expect millage. However there are exceptions that I know of with certain ones. Just don't EXPECT anything here. Otherwise it's a great place if you don't mind that it's loaded with staff. Some of the best convos I've had were here.
Babes east: Dances are $20 here except on Tuesdays (2 for $20 or $10 for one I forget). Babes E and HH have a big reputation as being dive clubs in the area but honestly I don't see that as much here. The girls are less attractive than PT's, another Pendleton brethren, but some are still top notch. Girls are very 'grabby' here and like to have fun but can get aggressive. I did go here at night once and it was a happening place and very awesome! The back dances are an open area with couches. The DJ looks from his post from time to time and there are clearly boundaries but some girls clearly try to get away with as much as they can. It's such an open area that I can't imagine too much going on but they will get handsy with you. Had some great convos with girls. Also I noticed some girls like to get SMASHED at night. Management is usually not cool with this but they didn't seem to mind the business. I actually really like this place during the day.
HH: Harem is a horrible place. I've heard it used to be a great place to be but it's horrible now. The girls are getting fired from here constantly, first off. And it's because of the management. They have really cracked down on things here. The back room seems secluded from the rest of the club (unlike Babes) but management keeps a close eye from behind the scenes on it. Also this place practices one of my biggest pet peeves and instant turn offs, girls asking for stage tips after they are done with their dance. Girls are a much lower quality here. Also there is a feeling like it's not a good place for new people to come as the regulars are there often and don't seem that friendly. $20 couch dances, nothing special. Apparently BE and HH are owned by the same owners. They also own something else, but I've been told that if you're fired from one you can't go to another. I guess it's a plus that it opens at noon for us day time people.
Zeus: I didn't stay here that long but it seems to be the place to go if you're fired. Out of the Madison clubs this one is the worst I think. Dances are $20. Also there's this nice little money booth where girls can apparently go in and are sprayed with soap suds and water. This would do nothing for me but I know a lot of people would like this sort of thing.
Lenny's: I hate myself so much for going here. I really do. This place is beyond horrible. Most of the girls are not attractive and the hottest ones are like. 6's or 7's and they are always with this dude that comes in and refuse to go elsewhere. Not a friendly place at all. I think dances are $10 but I have no idea how good they are because I got out fast. I now truly know the definition of 'dive bar'. I like mentioning I went there to other dancers in other clubs and seeing their surprised / disgusted reactions.
Silk and Lace: The other Madison club. This place has some very nice looking girls. I also think I'm in love with the blonde waitress there. &61514; Seriously. My god she is beautiful. The girls love to sit and talk with you and it's usually not that busy in the day time. They're a little playful with each other which is nice and usually give off good vibes. I sense from time to time a cliquish feel from them and I usually like dancers to hide this if it's around. This would seriously be my favorite place to go if it wasn't for the fact that most of them do the aggressive 'would you like to tip me for my dance' thing. I know for a fact that unlike HH the management doesn't push this shit here. But I guess it's kinda worth it here. Oh, and there are two back dance rooms. One of them is $10 and the other is $20. The $10 is the standard room with open phone booth style back and about 5 seats. You can't help but notice the cameras focused in on each slot though. I've been told by the dancers that the tapes are regularly monitored and looked over and one said she 'thinks' the other room has them too. I've got no millage at all here. &61516; The girls are amazingly friendly with me but I think that's where it truly ends and nothing is to gain here.
Brad's: The most popular by far. It's hard to go through a whole day and see a dancer go on stage three times because there are that many dancers there. About a hundred are employed and there's at least 20, 30, 40 during the day. This place opens at 11 but the dancers don't start until noon. I can see why this place is so popular too. The dancers are mostly very nice but you really get a feeling like they don't care about you. I mean, I know dancers for the most part don't, but at least fake it. I met some really nice dancers and got some very nice dances from them. Great dollar dances and fantastic back dances ($12 each for over the pants hands!). I also met the incredibly famous Lena here. Man is she a gem. It's not just that she's a great dancer with the smoothest skin ever. She's incredibly fun to talk to and can hold a fantastic conversation. The only reason I'm not here every day is because it's just way too crowded for me. As the day progressed it got worse and worse. And that made it very hard to grab the attention of ones I really wanted to get ahold of. There is a VIP room and I think it doubles as a higher priced dance room as well. I believe the dj keeps an eye on it through a camera though so I can't imagine it's that much more fun. Like I said though, this is probably the best place I've been to, especially if you like softcore action for a low price.
Club Rio: I'm a little mixed on this place because it doesn't stand out that much. It's nice and the girls are very playful which is a fantastic thing. They love talking to people and occasionally give a nice grab or two. But if you really look into this place, past the playfulness, you can see there are clear limits established. The quality is hit or miss from what I've seen. Haven't experiences that much though to know for sure. I forget the VIP amount but it's around $150 for a half hour. Nothing special there and the waitress peaks in about every 7 min. Dances are $20 and it's kind of ridiculous that it's just a not very secluded corner of the place where I imagine regular customer just sit.
So there's my 8 places. Keep in mind I only go during the day time. If I'm wrong about something please feel free to point it out and if you want to discuss something over PM I'the be happy to talk about it. I'the rather not give up my identity because it's a great strength to getting a good experience at these places.
Johnny's Magical Quest continues again
Thanks, West Central. You're definitely right about fluidity. It's just that it's hard for me to completely understand a club because sometimes places are very hit or miss and I end up seeing the hit part or the miss part so any further insight is appreciated.
So my quest continues for a great new place to be a regular. The tradeoff rule is still very true. There's no perfect place and it really depends on what I want. I think it's fair to say that when I go to a club I want to actually converse with someone instead of being subject to immediate hustling. Once again I'm a daytime visitor and this gives me a very different perspective on clubs than I imagine most receive. I normally visit from 11am or noon to about 6pm. If you've been in a club during the day you've probably seen me already.
Paradise Cove: There's two clubs with Paradise in their name and I think this is the right one. This is the one that's close to Brad's. I stopped here because it's open early and that's a big advantage since I'm a daytime person and most clubs don't open until 3pm. This one was open at noon. First off the customers are very rough looking, but that didn't bother me too much because they kept to themselves and didn't stare at me (unlike say. Harem House). The girls mostly just sat and talked to people and practically no one was on their stage. I found out why, though. The girls have to pay the jukebox for songs as there is no dj. So with no dj and it being a kinda dive place you have no staff at all except for a bartender. That alone makes me think that some extras may be available but there's a huge safety issue. The dances are $20 but the dancers are sometimes negotiable, especially if they seem desperate. Overall the dancer quality is pretty poor (rated 3-5 with 1s and 2s). I only got to talk to one, who was severely overweight but loved to play over the pants. I will most likely try this place again just to experience the other dancers but I heavily suspect I'll be sitting by myself and ignored while the other dancers talk to well established regulars. This place seems pretty bad, but not say. Lenny's bad. And it doesn't help that it's so close to Brad's. Probably going to explore it for extras again (they were promised but you know how that story goes!). The dance area is incredibly exposed. So much that a customer that was sitting nearby WATCHED US THE ENTIRE TIME. And here's the thing. Technically, customers can do that almost anywhere but at least they're nice enough to just do an occasional glance. When you have a dancer doing over the pants teasing it's just a boner killer to see some guy staring at you.
Dancers: This place is probably one of my favorite day times places. It opens at noon I believe and unlike other places that open this early, it has a significant amount of dancers working. One of the biggest problems I've found in this town is that dancers are very free to work when they want and thus never come in during the day time. Thus guys don't want to come in. It's a big 'what came first, the chicken or the egg'. Well this place doesn't have that problem as much. This place is more upscale, probably on par with PT's. You couldn't tell from the outside though; it looks like a big warehouse. The place IS GIGANTIC though compared to other clubs. During the nighttime you have to rent out the booths but they are FREE during the day, which is just awesome because even though you don't have to pay for them, it gives this little psychological edge when grabbing dancer attention. The girls are all very hot. It's roughly the same quality you'll see from the best of the ones at Brad's or PT's. Usually during the day there are about 6-9 dancers average with about 6-9 guys there. (Quality is averaging 7-9 rating) So you already have a good ratio. (One day however there were about 6 dancers and 9 guys). I have had good conversations with girls as some will put a lot of effort into making you happy. Lots will just walk around asking for dances in the back, and at $20 each I'the like to at least know you a bit. There is a VIP room but I don't know how good it gets in there. Because this one is more upscale and I think corporate owned I'the say it's hard to get extras. It's a good place for a good time though.
Rick's Cabernet: This place is incredibly sad for me. It has potential to be the best club in Indy. It was just bought by a corporate company and remodeled and looks nice. Also the food is the BEST I have ever had in a club. It's really restaurant quality stuff and the chef is incredibly personable and just a great guy (he personally comes out to check on you and your food experience). I'm always treated like a king here and there's a damn good reason why: They have no business during the day. The reason is mentioned above with Dancer's. Girls don't want to come in because there are no guys and guys don't want to come in because there are no girls. I sat here from 11am to about 1:45pm and not a single dancer was present until then. If it wasn't for the fact that the staff came to talk to me that whole time and were incredibly friendly I would have left. This has happened more than once. It's so sad because this place has so much potential. There are separate dance rooms but I never got that far to actually experience any. Hell, I have yet to receive a dollar dance. It's just that dead in the days. I hear, however, that it is THE place to be at night and on par with Dancers. This place IS more upscale now, and with the customers would be on par with Dancer's and PT's for quality. Once again it's more corporate and the rooms I've heard are checked on so don't expect too much going on. The dancers are mostly attractive from the whopping 3 I've seen so far so I can't really comment on them or their skills. Seriously though they are desparate for a day time crowd. I have a whole ton of free passes they gave me and am never charged a cover during the day at the door. But hell, the food is FANTASTIC.
Brad's Brass (revisited) : I wrote last time about how this is a fantastic place but it just gets too crowded for my taste. I've been there a few more times since. I went during the night once and that was a mistake. It was a Friday night and I couldn't even find a good seat. Everyone was incredibly loud and obnoxious and I couldn't spend more than about 30 sec. With a dancer. There was a group of people causing problems right behind me also. It was just a big buzzkill for me. The biggest complaint I have during the day relates to that a bit. The dancers seem very come-and-go because they can. If there were less people I guarantee some of them would sit and talk to me a bit but the majority will not. Some of them I could even tell wanted to talk a bit but didn't. Lots of dancers approaching me and the first thing they say is 'Would you like a couch dance? ' Now I have had some good interactions here. I've seen Lena and talked to her and had some dances from her. I've experienced Asia's nice I'm going to strategically rub my chest against you and do something magical while I dance maneuver (If you'the experienced it you know; she does it all the time). And I've sat and talked to this one girl for close to two hours once. So I guess it's hit or miss here too. Overall it's probably one of the best places to go. I'm just a little critical of it. Girls are incredibly attractive here and the dances are only $12 AND it opens at noon. That alone makes this a great day time place. Girls during the day are roughly rated 7ish with the occasional 9's and 3-4's. But if you want a more intimate experience you may want to try elsewhere as well.
Zeus (revisited) : My last post stated: 'I didn't stay here that long but it seems to be the place to go if you're fired. Out of the Madison clubs this one is the worst I think. ' I've visited this place more now and I have to rate it much higher as this initial visit was kind of unfair. It does have a reputation as being a trash place. And regulars almost always outnumber the dancers present during the day so it's hard to come in as a newbie. But when you are noticed you are noticed here. It took minimal effort to know all the staff and be recognized there as a good customer. The waitress / bar tenders that I have experienced are very friendly. The girls are hit or miss. Lots of them have a real bitchy attitude. Some of them are BATSHIT crazy. Some get REALLY drunk. But here's a place that is more personable than Brad's and it's bad but not as bad as some. I guess my expectations for revisiting were very low so that's why I'm more optimistic about the place. I kept thinking 'hey, they only wand you at the door at night on the weekends so it can't be THAT bad'. Is that messed up or what? Dances are still $20 and the area is a bit exposed. If it wasn't I'm pretty sure you could get some nice play back there but it's just too exposed and I think the dj can see in since his post is so raised. As for the comment about this being the place to go when you're fired, that's not as true. This place is packed with a solid base of dancers that have been there FOREVER and god knows how many others that cycle through.
Glad this forum is picking up.
Glad to see some more chatter here. SC's are a good change of pace from the AMP's and such. And, if you find the right place, they are lots of fun.
I'm lucky enough to have a job where I travel. 99% is all US based, but thats fine with me. I do my homework and scope out the best place (s) where ever I am going. In some cities, I just lay low because the options suck. Other places, I go out as soon as I land. Tampa is a huge favorite with lots of options. As is Atlanta, and various places in the wonderful state of California. Speaking of, I'll be there again soon!
Back to Indy clubs though. I remember the Roost also. I grew up in the general area and had family that worked at the airport. So, west side clubs (and MP's like Genesis or the trailer on Washington) were seen by us kids all the time. I like Dancers and have enjoyed some time there, but I wouldn't rate it one of my "must go to" clubs. I've never been all that impressed by the lap dance area. Last week I dropped in for a bit and had dances from 3-4 girls. None of which got a rise out of me. Too much talking and bouncing. Not the good bouncing either.
In Indy, I still like BFF for the overall club experience. I've met some nice ladies there, had a good time and while no real extras were offered, a few did try to complete the task in the VIP. If it weren't on the other side of the city, I would go more.
Second Trip to Brad's Brass Flamingo
I had such a wonderful time at Brad's Brass Flamingo last Friday afternoon that I went back on Saturday. Again I got there a little after noon and there were less than 10 customers with at least as many girls getting ready for their shift. I had no trouble picking out girls I wanted to dance with and getting their attention. My tactic is simple. Ask them their name, make light conversation while they dance for you at the stage, tip more than a dollar, and ask them if they have promised anyone else a dance first or if they are free to come to you after their set. In every case, that got the girl to stop by for a dance. I also tell them up front that I always get at least 3 dances so they might see this as a bigger incentive to seek you out. Unlike my Friday visit where I got dances from 2 girls, Jamie and Brooklyn, and took Brooklyn to the $200/30 minute VIP, I wanted to sample a few more ladies. Incidentally, I did not have to pay a cover charge either day and there was no pressure to buy drinks.
Brooklyn: This lady is 40-something. 5 feet 6 inches tall, probably 130 pounds, heavily tattooed, a soft C-cup, and naughty as hell. We picked right up from where we left off on Friday. This time I only got 3 of the $12 dances, tipping her $40 total. Brooklyn aims to please and will do what she can to make sure you have a good time, ratcheting up the "extra" special attention based on the location of the dance. She is definitely worth checking out if you like mature women who are good at what they do.
Jordan: She is a country girl who is all booty. She's 20-something. 5 feet 2 inches, maybe 120 pounds, A-cup breasts, and just as naughty as Brooklyn. I got 3 dances from her tipping $40 total. Every bit as "hands on" as Brooklyn but in a younger, prettier package. Jordan told me there were only 3 girls working that afternoon that fell into the same category as her and Brooklyn. She left it to me to identify the third on my own. After sampling some stage mileage I am guessing it is a brunette with big implants named Haley, but I opted not to get a dance from her to find out. Jordan also made it known that if I wanted to leave "happy" she could make sure 3 songs was all we would need or a trip to the $100/30 minute VIP would give a more relaxing time. I wanted to stay for a while so her special attention in this regard was not needed.
Tiffany: Blonde curly hair, B-cup natural breasts, very slim waist. 5 feet 7 inches, maybe 120 pounds. She was cute, not gorgeous, and had a very disarming smile. I have held to a theory on dancer mileage for a number of years. The theory is that pretty blondes simply don't provide the mileage that brunettes or particularly foreign girls do. I always find a way to test this theory and I did that at BBF. Tiffany (and she gave me a different name than that which I can't remember, though the DJ introduced her as Tiffany) was not "hands on" like Brooklyn or Jordan. She gave a great lap dance and was quite the cuddler. I was allowed to explore everywhere that was uncovered, but mouth to nipple contact was non-existent. I got 3 dances from Tiffany, tipping $40 for her time. They were enjoyable but given the mileage available from other girls I don't think I would repeat with her. On a side note. My time with Jamie the day before also validated the mileage theory, however Jamie was so drop-dead gorgeous that I would repeat with her.
Caitlyn: Dirty blonde hair, B-cup breasts, very tall at 5 feet 9 inches without heels, very slim waist, and a girl-next-door look. She didn't have time to get her makeup before being called to the stage for her 2 song set. I grabbed her for 3 dances for $40 right afterwards, so it was like geting dances from a girlfriend rather than someone dolled up for the club. Caitlyn gave a great grinding lap dance and allowed my hands to roam all of the usual places. No mouth to nipple action and she was not really a "hands on" girl though occasionally she wandered down there. She continued to support the theory. Again, since the mileage was good but had no potential to be "extra" special I don't think I would repeat with her.
Megan (Paige) : Long dark hair to her waist, D-cup implants that looked great, Asian. 5 feet 6 inches, perfect bottom, and quite a sultry and sexy look to her. I tipped her $5 at the stage and made my pitch for her to come by when she was done. I have a love affair with Asian women and she was gorgeous to me, a 9 if ever there was one. Her mileage at the stage was enough to confirm my theory was still intact. After her 2 song set she came over immediately and I took her straight to the $100/30 minute VIP. I had already made up my mind that I wanted more time with her. It was a good call on my part. That was probably the best 30 minutes I have had with a dancer (except for a couple of encounters 10 years ago in Las Vegaas and San Francisco. Encounters that would be hard to duplicate at any club today). It was comfortable, relaxing, and she was very "hands on" during our dances. Mouth to nipple action was plentiful, but I found myself completely lost in her to push any limits. The smell of her hair, the feel of her smooth skin, the weight of her D-cup breasts in my hands, and the light kisses on the lips as she danced kept me lost in her. If I lived in Indianapolis, I could spend an hour wrapped up in her every day. I spent the time with her gently massaging her, stroking her back, gently cupping her breasts, doing all of those gentle and tender you do with a lover, not a dancer. She lost herself in the moment as well and we had an amazing time. Incidentally, she introduced herself as Megan and I am sure I heard the DJ call her Paige. So it seems that there are multiple names for some of the girls. I would highly recommend Megan and if I make it back to Indy any time soon I will stop in to see her.
