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All this time I thought I understood the term. LOL.[/QUOTE]It's all relative, Amigo. If you're personally sporting a "telephone pole" down there, or your nickname is "Trigger", then she could qualify as a S P I N N E R.
None of that has anything to do with economic development but puritanical ethics that are found at the heart of US culture. That combined with feminism, strange bed fellows for sure but often the far left and right go full circle and come together. .
[QUOTE=Jeep95;3366217]I think that is what you mean. In most developed countries the sex trade is legal and regulated and if not legal then a minor offense.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cjojax904;3366094]The fact that so many women are in the sex trade does not make us a 3rd world nation. We are naive to how prevalent this game has been over the years. Social media only brings it more attention while also making the women who would be doing it anyways more available (when they actually pick up the phone).
I have worked out the economics of it before and a girl who was drug-free and did not have a Gucci-fetish could easily clear $50 K a year tax free by only 'working' three days a week for 2-3 hours. The problem is several of the BP girls are drug dependent, which means their disposable income evaporates every time they need a hit. I have met a few ladies who are now retired from the game who clearly did it for the disposable income, to allow them to buy nice clothes and take nice trips. Throw in a sugar daddy and you are living comfortably, tax free. These women can afford to be more selective with their clientele because the right clientele will pay a premium for what they can offer over the ladies on the other side of the spectrum.
So no, the current status of the sex trade does not make us 3rd world and until women are more openly selling without fear of repercussion, this will not be the case.[/QUOTE]Just a a quick question on clearing $50 K, did you figure in expenses? Most live in hotels which is a huge hit right off the top.
[QUOTE=RedTalon;3367188]Just a a quick question on clearing $50 K, did you figure in expenses? Most live in hotels which is a huge hit right off the top.[/QUOTE]I have had a few discussions with high end providers that I have known for years about economics. It usually starts when I ask them why are they still doing the humpy bump for a living after 10+ years. Setting aside the usual male issues, (when they pick a guy to really date, it is always the WRONG guy) many of them have commented on the money, approaching or exceeding 6 figures even when they hit the 40's. They net out 5 K a week on road trips and work a couple weeks a month. Yes they have overhead, but the travel circuit is to or near places they want to go. An attractive woman without the monkey on her back, or a man in her wallet can net 50+ based upon what they tell me.
[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3367330]I have had a few discussions with high end providers that I have known for years about economics. It usually starts when I ask them why are they still doing the humpy bump for a living after 10+ years. Setting aside the usual male issues, (when they pick a guy to really date, it is always the WRONG guy) many of them have commented on the money, approaching or exceeding 6 figures even when they hit the 40's. They net out 5 K a week on road trips and work a couple weeks a month. Yes they have overhead, but the travel circuit is to or near places they want to go. An attractive woman without the monkey on her back, or a man in her wallet can net 50+ based upon what they tell me.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if you all ever heard of Aussie Amber from south Florida- some years ago. She and husband were arrested for tax evasion or something as she was escorting. I think LEO dubbed the husband as her pimp. Anyway, she was charging between 350-400/ hour. They said she was making 200 k plus per year. Perhaps she was really hustling more than the average girl but it's certainly possible. Though I still wouldn't call it disposable income for most girls, as someone mentioned. To me, disposable income is when one is able to pay his or her normal bills with the income they make from a regular job but they might work either overtime or some other job just to tend to other extracurricular activities. Most people just can't make it on the money they make from regular employment. With a lot of these girls, they don't possess the skill set or education to get the type of legal jobs that can take care of their basic needs.
[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3367450]I don't know if you all ever heard of Aussie Amber from south Florida- some years ago. She and husband were arrested for tax evasion or something as she was escorting. I think LEO dubbed the husband as her pimp. Anyway, she was charging between 350-400/ hour. They said she was making 200 k plus per year. Perhaps she was really hustling more than the average girl but it's certainly possible. Though I still wouldn't call it disposable income for most girls, as someone mentioned. To me, disposable income is when one is able to pay his or her normal bills with the income they make from a regular job but they might work either overtime or some other job just to tend to other extracurricular activities. Most people just can't make it on the money they make from regular employment. With a lot of these girls, they don't possess the skill set or education to get the type of legal jobs that can take care of their basic needs.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the ones I talked to, one was a stock broker in her prior life, another was a lawyer, one was a shift sergeant at a womans prison, all had real jobs at one point before easy cash got them.
...about the U.S. economy:
[URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-developing-nation-regressing-economy-poverty-donald-trump-mit-economist-peter-temin-a7694726.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3371451]...about the U.S. economy:[/QUOTE]Well it's one college prof's opinion, and obviously coming from a leftist slant. The truth is usually discovered by weighing a number of sources together. I like the way he summed things up.
"Mr Temin says that education is the solution to offer everyone in society better opportunities and calls for investments in public schools and public universities.
He says: "Knowing how to think, how to get on with people, how to cooperate. All the social skills and social capital. Are going to be critically important for kids in this environment."
I'd respond by saying that it's not just about throwing money at the problem. Cultures need to change. You can have all the fancy schools you like but if kids aren't interested in learning little will change. Then we are back to the Asians, "culture. " They in this present environment rarely mouth off to teachers, do their work, work hard, save money, don't end up on dope or in jail, and prepare for rewarding careers. As a result they have the highest educational attainment and average income in the US. And much of this starts at home with parents. Asians also by the way, historically, have been subjected to some awful periods of racial discrimination.
He also is taking real liberties with terminology calling the US "developing" and lumping us in the same basket with places like Mexico and the Philippines. Most experts would consider the US highly developed. Here a list of "developed and developing."
[URL]http://www.investopedia.com/updates/top-developing-countries/[/URL]
Here is a report on education and what spending has and hasn't accomplished.
[URL]https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa746.pdf[/URL]
[QUOTE=TonyTisdale;3371485]Well it's one college prof's opinion, and obviously coming from a leftist slant. The truth is usually discovered by weighing a number of sources together. I like the way he summed things up.
"Mr Temin says that education is the solution to offer everyone in society better opportunities and calls for investments in public schools and public universities.
He says: "Knowing how to think, how to get on with people, how to cooperate. All the social skills and social capital. Are going to be critically important for kids in this environment."
I'd respond by saying that it's not just about throwing money at the problem. Cultures need to change. You can have all the fancy schools you like but if kids aren't interested in learning little will change. Then we are back to the Asians, "culture. " They in this present environment rarely mouth off to teachers, do their work, work hard, save money, don't end up on dope or in jail, and prepare for rewarding careers. As a result they have the highest educational attainment and average income in the US. And much of this starts at home with parents. Asians also by the way, historically, have been subjected to some awful periods of racial discrimination.
He also is taking real liberties with terminology calling the US "developing" and lumping us in the same basket with places like Mexico and the Philippines. Most experts would consider the US highly developed. Here a list of "developed and developing."
[URL]http://www.investopedia.com/updates/top-developing-countries/[/URL]
Here is a report on education and what spending has and hasn't accomplished.
[URL]https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa746.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]
...to be great, i. e. , education, health care, etc. We spend a lot more money on health care more than any industrialized nation, yet, Americans have the poorest health. Per capita, America spends about $9500 on health care; whereas other nations are spending half that. So it is true, you can't just throw money at it, expecting greatness. Our educational system is largely still modeled after the industrial period (not post industrial-advanced technology), meaning, we have a pretty antiquated system that can better prepare one to work in a factory rather than a more advanced society. Very sad indeed and I believe our political leaders and the people have allowed such as this. We need better leaders to bring about changes in our society that will improve our quality of life and a society that recognizes when changes are needed.
One thing I will leave with you to consider though, empires do fall. The Medes, Persians, Greeks, and the Romans were great empires and they fell. The question is, what was happening in those societies before their fall that should have informed them that they were headed for destruction. What were the signs; the symptoms that should have alerted them to their impending demise? Based on the little I've read about the Roman empire, it appears they had gotten too large before their fall. I think I also read that internal strife lead to their destruction. When Alexander the great died, my understanding is that his generals fought over supremacy. That nation was divided into 4. Anyway, the point is, if these nations can fall, we (America) are not immune. But the question is, what is occurring in our society today that should inform us that we, likewise, are headed in the wrong direction? I realize this topic came up because I was curious about the fact that so many women are going into the sex industry and that just piqued my curiosity as to why this is and of course I could only attribute this to a society that is offering very little opportunities. Asians can be used as a kind of model or a group that can be studied to determine why they're more successful than others, but on a large scale bases, I don't think many of us will achieve that status- but we should study them to determine what they are doing and what we're not. I know there was a time that their kids attended school 6 days a week as opposed to our 5 days but I'm sure they are doing a lot of other great things. I know as far as math and sciences, America ranks at the bottom compared to other nations and that is sad. Many engineering jobs cannot be filled in this country because we don't have people who excel in these areas (about 1. 5 millions jobs goes unfilled). Even our military is faltering. My understanding from experts is that we are not as battle ready as we should be. Some of our ships can't leave port because we don't have available parts to fix them. Again, I don't think all is as well as is being portrayed. Anyway, still quite interesting.
We aren't "at the bottom" in math and sciences. Yes some Western Euro countries and a few Asian show better results in education, but we are still way ahead of most of the world. Many "developing" or "underdeveloped" countries do not provide education beyond the 8th grade, and even then families are responsible for buying books and uniforms. Many cannot. Second, according to the HDI put out by a group of international economists under the direction of the UN, we rate very high in human development across several measures. Yes we are a highly developed nation though there are a handful that are ahead of us in these measurements.
[URL]http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/human_development.htm[/URL]
Frankly, calling us "third world" or "underdeveloped" or even "developing" is ridiculous. And regarding roads and bridges, people talking about that need to take a drive through Mexico, the Philippines, and the list can go on. Yes there is room for improvement but the sky isn't falling because 20 or so girls post on BP Jacksonville every day. How about check out Pattaya, Thailand where 1000's upon 1000's of young women go to work in the business daily.
As to the end of empires, yea they all eventually end. So what are we then, a "third world empire?" Seems rather oxymoronic to me. LOL.
[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3371899]...to be great, i. e. , education, health care, etc. We spend a lot more money on health care more than any industrialized nation, yet, Americans have the poorest health. Per capita, America spends about $9500 on health care; whereas other nations are spending half that.[/QUOTE]Forgot about this. Yes several industrialized nations are ahead of us in life expectancy even though we spend more on healthcare per capita, but none by more than a few years.
[URL]http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/human_development.htm[/URL]
But that just makes the point I was making yet again. Look at all the fat fucks / obesity in our country, the love affair with fast food and generally unhealthy diet and lifestyles in general. Just goes to show that throwing money at a problem doesn't guarantee good life choices. Just like spending more money on public education doesn't guarantee that students won't aspire to be a street thug or rap artist, or nothing at all rather than cooperating with the teacher for a better chance at success. So bad choices are real factors here as opposed to be shut out of opportunity. Personal responsibility versus complaining and demanding that the government fix it. Two differing outlooks in the USA indeed.
Regarding the military there is a spending bill on the table.
[QUOTE=TonyTisdale;3371948]We aren't "at the bottom" in math and sciences. Yes some Western Euro countries and a few Asian show better results in education, but we are still way ahead of most of the world. Many "developing" or "underdeveloped" countries do not provide education beyond the 8th grade, and even then families are responsible for buying books and uniforms. Many cannot. Second, according to the HDI put out by a group of international economists under the direction of the UN, we rate very high in human development across several measures. Yes we are a highly developed nation though there are a handful that are ahead of us in these measurements.
[URL]http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/human_development.htm[/URL]
Frankly, calling us "third world" or "underdeveloped" or even "developing" is ridiculous. And regarding roads and bridges, people talking about that need to take a drive through Mexico, the Philippines, and the list can go on. Yes there is room for improvement but the sky isn't falling because 20 or so girls post on BP Jacksonville every day. How about check out Pattaya, Thailand where 1000's upon 1000's of young women go to work in the business daily.
As to the end of empires, yea they all eventually end. So what are we then, a "third world empire?" Seems rather oxymoronic to me. LOL.[/QUOTE]
Most of the research or experts aren't saying and neither am I saying we're a 3rd world country but what they are saying is that the course we're on can very well end up that way. Consider what they are saying a warning sign. What can we do to avert the situation, is the million dollar question. With the widening gap in wealth between the 99% and 1%, it's apparent that we have a dire situation on our hands. I mean, come on, minimum wage? Do you think people can really live, somewhat comfortably, on minimum wage? Absolutely not.
Look at this report on the PISA assessment where we rank near the bottom:
[URL]http://hechingerreport.org/u-s-now-ranks-near-bottom-among-35-industrialized-nations-math/[/URL]
Of course, we've been fluctuating in our scores in sciences and reading but it appears that is because many countries have slipped which doesn't say much about our current status. Many of our students can hardly write when they leave high school. Something that is also interesting, to have the world's largest economy, here is the percentage of people that have certain degrees in this country:
1. Bachelors degrees: 30 something percent.
2. Masters degrees: now almost 8 or 9 percent.
3. Less than 3 percent PhDs.
Being a country that is considered rich, this is pretty pathetic. But then again, the high cost of college has become a reality of today. Even though the government tells colleges they cannot raise tuition from time to time(which in itself is too high), however, they can make up for those deficits in tuition they cannot collect from us in other fees- which makes college even the more un-affordable for many. How can a country get the best jobs if educational attainment is dismal? What corporations would want to place their businesses in any country who do not have an educated citizenry?
Among the 34 OECD countries, the United States performed below average in mathematics in 2012 and is ranked 27th (this is the best estimate, although the rank could be between 23 and 29 due to sampling and measurement error). Performance in reading and science are both close to the OECD average. The United States ranks 17 in reading, (range of ranks: 14 to 20). And 20 in science (range of ranks: 17 to 25). There has been no significant change in these performances over time.
[URL]https://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/PISA-2012-results-US.pdf[/URL]
These are some pretty accurate sources and the numbers show we need to up our game. Just to be clear again though, researchers are not saying we are a third world country nor do we have underdeveloped status but if we continue this course, as I mentioned, empires do fall. When your economy (GDP) is not making adequate growth and we're still at an almost 20 trillion dollar deficit, this is certainly going in the wrong direction. I can have 5 million in the bank but if I owe 100 million, no good. Got to turn it around before it's too late. I liken this to a person whose spending is out of control; it won't be long before his house is ruined- financially and otherwise. Also, to be sure, I am not just looking at Jax BP hoes entering into this line of work, I'm looking at it from a domestic perspective.
Sheesh, I'm a deep thinker too, but isn't anyone going to chime in re: appropriateness of this subject matter to the forum on which it appears? Drew? Beuhler?. Beuhler?. Anyone?
[QUOTE=LuvSoftHands;3372472]Sheesh, I'm a deep thinker too, but isn't anyone going to chime in re: appropriateness of this subject matter to the forum on which it appears? Drew?... [/QUOTE]Huh? What? I put this whole thread on "ignore".
[QUOTE=LuvSoftHands;3372472]Sheesh, I'm a deep thinker too, but isn't anyone going to chime in re: appropriateness of this subject matter to the forum on which it appears? Drew? Beuhler?. Beuhler?. Anyone?[/QUOTE]This is the reason why we began talking about said subject in "woodshed" so as not to tie up the other threads that are mainly used to pursue coochie. This subject, believe it or not, is still talking about the sex industry but with a twist. When people start talking about these kind of offhanded subjects on BP threads and such, people complain but when we come on over to the woodshed thread, people still complain. Can't have it both ways. In case you're wondering, my question was (basically): do people think that the increased number of women entering into the sex industry, is it a sign of a deteriorating economy that might be leading to third world status. You see, it's still about the sex industry but as I mentioned, with a twist. We promise not to bring this topic to the escort, BP, and massage thread, etc. Which is why we're over here having a civilized discussion. Besides, with the poor ass talent we've been seeing lately in Jax, why not expand a little on what is normally discussed as long as we're not harming or threatening anyone? At least we might learn something about something rather than calling 10 BP girls and can't get one to respond! LOL.
Also, typically when people start talking about offhanded subjects in other threads, Admin usually moves those topics to the woodshed; that said, it appears we're not breaking any rules.
Visited Cat today. Little spinner on southside. After visiting with her and seeing how young she was. It made me question my hobby. Her ad says she is 22, but I swear she can't be any older than 18 or 19. I know she has been eeviewed before and for awhile but I can't shake the feeling she is just a kid. The life has not been good to her, she is way too skinny. Her A cups look droopy. She seems nice enough and very accommodating. I just don't know if I can see anyone that young anymore. I seriously question if going through with visit was right thing to do. I feel like a took advantage of her situation. Has anyone else gone through this, or am I just a weird one LOL.
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Whitenite, I don't see us covering any new ground. I'm getting ready for a big vacation so will soon be giving you the last word. Given your investment in this you were bound to get it anyway. Will say this, no, I do not see us in a "tailspin" toward some 3rd World status to use your original description, and you've provided no source material to back up such a doomsday announcement. In fact we are currently very much a highly developed country and on the upswing economically since the great recession. I've provided sources to back that up.
In fact you've provided no source materials at all except this recent bit about education scores where you show the US at the bottom when compared to a short list of other highly developed countries. Thanks for clarifying that when you asserted "bottom" you weren't talking about the world at large. That or you were just repeating something you heard and benefitted from fact checking in Google. Here is another source along those lines.
[URL]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/[/URL]
Note that a relatively small number of world nations participate in these measurements. Scroll to the bottom related to the 15 year olds and we are in the middle range of the small sampling. A bit embarrassing, but I suspect that if we stopped testing the Deep South and maybe a few other states we'd see our national scores spike significantly. Sorry if that offends anyone but hey, it's "the woodshed. " It's in many ways a very diverse nation we live him. And there are a lot of very bright people in this country. Look at our history of leading the world in technological inventions, and we still have the world's greatest universities.
But then we are back to the Asian-Americans. Want to succeed in the land of plenty? Want to make more than minimum wage? Do what they do and don't do. I've laid that out twice so won't repeat it again. They aren't in a "tailspin. " Far from it, and those that are, it's usually due to their own poor choices and / or refusal to adapt to a changing economic climate. With that I'll rest my case.
I stand chastened.
[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3372296]Among the 34 OECD countries, the United States performed below average in mathematics in 2012 and is ranked 27th (this is the best estimate, although the rank could be between 23 and 29 due to sampling and measurement error). Performance in reading and science are both close to the OECD average. The United States ranks 17 in reading, (range of ranks: 14 to 20). And 20 in science (range of ranks: 17 to 25). There has been no significant change in these performances over time. [/QUOTE]These are not your words though they are presented as such with no lead in to the source and no quotation marks are used. It's a copy and paste of someone else's work. Makes me wonder what else you've copied and pasted and presented as your own. Maybe, just maybe, monger boards aren't the best places to have political discussions. Lolol.
P.S. The educational study I presented is more recent by 3 years, 2015.
[QUOTE=TonyTisdale;3372645]Whitenite, I don't see us covering any new ground. I'm getting ready for a big vacation so will soon be giving you the last word. Given your investment in this you were bound to get it anyway. Will say this, no, I do not see us in a "tailspin" toward some 3rd World status to use your original description, and you've provided no source material to back up such a doomsday announcement. In fact we are currently very much a highly developed country and on the upswing economically since the great recession. I've provided sources to back that up.
In fact you've provided no source materials at all except this recent bit about education scores where you show the US at the bottom when compared to a short list of other highly developed countries. Thanks for clarifying that when you asserted "bottom" you weren't talking about the world at large. That or you were just repeating something you heard and benefitted from fact checking in Google. Here is another source along those lines.
[URL]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/[/URL]
Note that a relatively small number of world nations participate in these measurements. Scroll to the bottom related to the 15 year olds and we are in the middle range of the small sampling. A bit embarrassing, but I suspect that if we stopped testing the Deep South and maybe a few other states we'd see our national scores spike significantly. Sorry if that offends anyone but hey, it's "the woodshed. " It's in many ways a very diverse nation we live him. And there are a lot of very bright people in this country. Look at our history of leading the world in technological inventions, and we still have the world's greatest universities.
But then we are back to the Asian-Americans. Want to succeed in the land of plenty? Want to make more than minimum wage? Do what they do and don't do. I've laid that out twice so won't repeat it again. They aren't in a "tailspin. " Far from it, and those that are, it's usually due to their own poor choices and / or refusal to adapt to a changing economic climate. With that I'll rest my case.[/QUOTE]And I suspect most people should be aware of such. I don't see us being as profitable as you've mentioned given the fact that we are in a deficit that will take a very long time to pay off and it keeps growing. To me, I wouldn't characterize this as being prosperous. I'd rather operate in the black rather than the red any day-any time. There are people who would like to go to school but hey, it's just too darn expensive to do so. I gave you the dismal figures on the number of degrees different ones hold in this country and I tell you, the numbers should be much higher for a highly developed country. To have a school system that is better suited for the industrial age might explain our place in academic achievements. Let me say this to you also as I go back to why this conversation originally started, no woman in her right mind would enter into the sex trade unless she was pretty desperate. Believe me, these girls aren't working in the sex trade because they love sex so much. In fact, if they can get away with just a BJ or body rub to get your money, they would. If some of them can, they'd resort to the ole cash and dash in order to not participate in sexual intercourse. I said that to say this, desperate situations calls for desperate measures and entering into the sex trade definitely informs me that there are some desperate women out there. Whether these girls (or people in general) make good choices or not, to obtain a college degree is being made damn near impossible for the populous.
I, like many, have been on that side of the fence when you don't have a college education and let me tell you, in today's workforce climate, it is a terrible place to be. You know, you have to look at the information provided in its aggregate and form a conclusion about it. Your conclusion perhaps tells you that all is well, despite the obvious; however, based on my observation of many factors, I'd say things aren't quite looking up. You can't borrow your way out of debt my friend. That will soon catch up with you. If you don't accept anything else I said, I hope this last portion will at least inform you that when one has to borrow money (as American leaders do a lot of), we're in big trouble. Also, it doesn't matter if I google something or use some other reliable sources as that is what the information is there for which is why I stay away from sites like wikipedia. Most people who know anything about research would stay away from such sites because such websites can be changed by anyone. Sites that have more reliable information are your. Edu, . Org, . Gov's. Anyway, that's what it is.
No empire stands forever!
I speak for many Americans who are sick of listening to your crying. Man up and seize the day or just stfu. Asians comes to this country, you know what they do? They are thrilled to have a green card. They work two jobs at minimum wage which is actually a bundle in many developing economies. They don't eat lunch at Mickey Ds or stuff their face with dollar store cookies. They take a sandwich to work in saran wrap and their drink in a thermos. They share their apartment with another family or two. Before you know it, they have 20 grand saved and can buy a nail salon. Somewhere along the way many get a college degree like as a Physician's Assistant where they make 100k a year even while called "gook" here and there along the way. Talk to people in the Philippines. They are dying to come here, so pardon me if I'm not much moved by your cryfest.
Well give you this much though as I just got in from Wackos. Many of these quote "third world" or "developing" countries figured out long ago that it's not in the best interest of societies to allow people to pollute bars and restaurants chain smoking cigarettes and cigars. Anyone up for that needs to take their act out into the street, and that's where many of these so called "3rd World" or "developing" countries are ahead of us. Take a trip to Colombia or Costa Rica and breathe some fresh air. .
[QUOTE=MothHunter;3373297]You guys are nothing but a bunch of malcontent yankees. You came down here during the boom of 2001-09. No one is going to continue lending you money because you have a pulse. Get a trailer.[/QUOTE]They are the realm of the "mentally challenged" and know no geographical boundaries. Carry on amigo. Your contributions are welcome in the woodshed. LOL.
[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3373102]Let me say this to you also as I go back to why this conversation originally started, no woman in her right mind would enter into the sex trade unless she was pretty desperate. Believe me, these girls aren't working in the sex trade because they love sex so much. [/QUOTE]If you haven't figured this one out yet then you aren't sharp enough to warrant anyone's time here. Or did you miss all the "RIP" posts or fail to see all the human skeletons in BP ads?
[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3373102] to obtain a college degree is being made damn near impossible for the populous. [/QUOTE]Total hogwash. Scholarships. Pell Grants. Student loans. Plenty of opportunity for people who work rather than whine.
[QUOTE=TonyTisdale;3373296]I speak for many Americans who are sick of listening to your crying. Man up and seize the day or just stfu. Asians comes to this country, you know what they do? They are thrilled to have a green card. They work two jobs at minimum wage which is actually a bundle in many developing economies. They don't eat lunch at Mickey Ds or stuff their face with dollar store cookies. They take a sandwich to work in saran wrap and their drink in a thermos. They share their apartment with another family or two. Before you know it, they have 20 grand saved and can buy a nail salon. Somewhere along the way many get a college degree like as a Physician's Assistant where they make 100k a year even while called "gook" here and there along the way. Talk to people in the Philippines. They are dying to come here, so pardon me if I'm not much moved by your cryfest.
Well give you this much though as I just got in from Wackos. Many of these quote "third world" or "developing" countries figured out long ago that it's not in the best interest of societies to allow people to pollute bars and restaurants chain smoking cigarettes and cigars. Anyone up for that needs to take their act out into the street, and that's where many of these so called "3rd World" or "developing" countries are ahead of us. Take a trip to Colombia or Costa Rica and breathe some fresh air. .[/QUOTE]
Personally speaking, I'm doing very well- financially and otherwise. However, I'm not a selfish little prick who only looks out for himself. I consider the pain and suffering of others as well. I have compassion for others too. Many Americans can't get tired of me talking about such important issues since countless Americans are suffering and wish we had a better and more fair system in place. Our political leaders are so corrupt, they allow corporations to pay us very little while charging us an arm and a leg for certain (needful) commodities. Your current president has even said that the U.S. was slipping into third world status- hope you didn't vote for him because he seemed to agree with my assessment- now ask me to prove it!
You are being quite delusional about the state of America but all the proof I'll give you is this, our national debt is at an alarming level and the ridiculous spending continues with no end in sight. You cannot just bury your head in the sand to such a reality. This thing is real and quite disturbing that so many Americans seem to be in denial about it. Why do you think the people voted for the current president? They wanted a fiscal conservative in power. Will he do what he said he would do, well, your guess is as good as mine! Most of them don't keep their promises so who knows. I will also say again, you cannot borrow yourself out of debt! Let me repeat that in case you didn't catch it: you cannot borrow yourself out of debt! You cannot spend more than what you bring in! But we have continued such foolishness. You cannot say America is in great shape with the kind of debt we're in and this is really all the proof I need to provide. You should understand that making 5 million dollars yet owing 100 million is not a sign of good financial health- it's a travesty but people with your mindset, we will never fix these problems because you're in denial- so then, I guess that means more and more girls will continue to sell coochie!
One last thing, stop comparing us to Asians because they come over here with a different mindset and a better academic foundation compared to us. You cannot compare the educational system of America with that of Asians. Our system is antiquated and we don't have the leaders in place to improve our academic institutions and ensure that we have a system that is 2nd to none. It's a farce at best. Plus, in many countries, going to college is taken care of by their governments or at least not as expensive as our schools. No comparison!
[QUOTE=TonyTisdale;3372903]These are not your words though they are presented as such with no lead in to the source and no quotation marks are used. It's a copy and paste of someone else's work. Makes me wonder what else you've copied and pasted and presented as your own. Maybe, just maybe, monger boards aren't the best places to have political discussions. Lolol.
P.S. The educational study I presented is more recent by 3 years, 2015.[/QUOTE]
So observing APA or MLA format / rules isn't important but it seems you're running away from the issues by interjecting something as irrelevant as this. It's all about reliable sources anyway which I've provided plenty. I'll throw this at you again, you cannot BORROW yourself out of debt which is what we're doing. Not a good sign of great financial health by any stretch and with all your intelligence, you can't justify a very small GDP compared to an astronomical national debt. No good boss! Here is one for you concerning the U.S. Debt: "It is the amount of money the American government has BORROWED to pay its bills. It exists because the government's expenses exceed its revenues. So to pay the bills, the government BORROWED money from countries like Japan, China, Brazil and other places. " This doesn't sound like a healthy economy to me man! Here is a great article about our national debt. It's enough to make you want to cry:
http://www.crfb.org/blogs/donald-trump-can-pay-national-debt-8-years
Now I'm done with this topic, as now, it is resorting to name calling which I don't engage in. You may have the last word since it seems that is what you need! Lol
And has unleashed the exclamation points in droves. Has the homeboy come unhinged? .
What Trump says or doesn't say is immaterial as it changes from hour to hour. Fact is we are on the upswing since the great recession. We are still the leaders of the free world. We are big players, and that isn't liable to change anytime soon.
Yea I'll continue to talk about Asians as they destroy your whole thesis. Many come here escaping circumstances much worse then here, but instead of packing in super sized combo meals and woddling around t town angerily demanding that the govt do something for them, or that Bernie Sanders (assuming they even know who that is) raises the minimum wage to $20 an hour, they work hard, save $, pursue education, and get ahead in the land of plenty. You and those that think like you could do the same thing and stop claiming the very possible is impossible. Now go get yourself some rest and reevaluate your thinking and tomorrow, become part of the solution rather than perpetuating the problem. Suerte.
And if you can't see that these BP chicks are addicts and not victims of some economic exploitation than you are deluded beyond all hope. You are simply seeing an exploiter in every Bush, but unlike Rev Al, aren't making any money off of it which is VERY sad.
You steal this man's words (linked below) and try to pass them off as your own, well, just shows the difference between you and the Asians I've been discussing. They work hard, play by the rules and with thrift and integrity, you don't and when things don't go your way you blame the government and assert that some forces out there are picking on you. Sound familiar? I'm sure you thought no one would catch it but I did, and it strikes right at the heart of the matter. Now bring out the exclamation marks again. I want to see a slew of them. .
[URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-developing-nation-regressing-economy-poverty-donald-trump-mit-economist-peter-temin-a7694726.html[/URL]
Why is it that when someone posts some new and relevant information, the guys who immediately clamor for links or digits are those with few or no substantive contributions here? None of my business if my colleagues here want to entertain those requests, but I, for one, ignore them. Info exchanges are meant to be two way streets and I'm seeing a lot of new monikers whose only posts are "have you seen her" or requesting contact info. Unfortunately the board grants Senior Status based on post count and time here, so many so-called Seniors have contributed absolutely nothing.
What's up with all the cism? I've noticed a rise in racially charged posts lately. And it seems very lopsided. White members in particular. Are we getting so insecure of the BBC destroying our women that we resort to taking subtle digs at our brown brothers on a sex forum?? They are already getting singled out in hookers ads, and now they have to deal with you idiots as well? Pretty fucked up.
But I guess that's to be expected from a bunch of old geezers who are being phased out on multiple levels in society.
Get that dirt off your shoulders brown brothers.
[blue]If you're seeing these why aren't you reporting them?
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[QUOTE=DrewPark;3378178]Why is it that when someone posts some new and relevant information, the guys who immediately clamor for links or digits are those with few or no substantive contributions here? None of my business if my colleagues here want to entertain those requests, but I, for one, ignore them. Info exchanges are meant to be two way streets and I'm seeing a lot of new monikers whose only posts are "have you seen her" or requesting contact info. Unfortunately the board grants Senior Status based on post count and time here, so many so-called Seniors have contributed absolutely nothing.[/QUOTE]I have noticed the same thing. Its usually people with low posts count who blow my inbox up asking for information.
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[blue]If you're seeing these why aren't you reporting them?
A2[/blue][/QUOTE]I guess I just didn't want to be a snitch. I was just wondering why some users expressed those undertones. I guess stuff like that runs deep. On both sides of the coin. White AND black. If humanity could outgrow that disease we would be a wondrous race. Sorry I think the mary jane is talking now. LOL.
For about as much time as some cruising looking for crack pussy or waiting at the dentist office. I flew from Fort Lauderdale to Medellin Columbia for $236 RT in a couple of hours. Pussy abounds. Just saying that some of you gents with some time, proximity to FLL and a passport might want to research the possibilities of a 3 day trip. I did, and the thought of hitting PH again won't happen ever again. Some girls I spent some time with.
[QUOTE=GustavKlimpt;3379241]For about as much time as some cruising looking for crack pussy or waiting at the dentist office. I flew from Fort Lauderdale to Medellin Columbia for $236 RT in a couple of hours. Pussy abounds. Just saying that some of you gents with some time, proximity to FLL and a passport might want to research the possibilities of a 3 day trip. I did, and the thought of hitting PH again won't happen ever again. Some girls I spent some time with.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the sideway shots.
[QUOTE=GustavKlimpt;3379241]For about as much time as some cruising looking for crack pussy or waiting at the dentist office. I flew from Fort Lauderdale to Medellin Columbia for $236 RT in a couple of hours. Pussy abounds. Just saying that some of you gents with some time, proximity to FLL and a passport might want to research the possibilities of a 3 day trip. I did, and the thought of hitting PH again won't happen ever again. Some girls I spent some time with.[/QUOTE]Got a friend does this monthly, renewing my passport now. He showed me some of the ladies, and the areas to stay.
[QUOTE=TonyTisdale;3373398]You steal this man's words (linked below) and try to pass them off as your own, well, just shows the difference between you and the Asians I've been discussing. They work hard, play by the rules and with thrift and integrity, you don't and when things don't go your way you blame the government and assert that some forces out there are picking on you. Sound familiar? I'm sure you thought no one would catch it but I did, and it strikes right at the heart of the matter. Now bring out the exclamation marks again. I want to see a slew of them. .
[URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-developing-nation-regressing-economy-poverty-donald-trump-mit-economist-peter-temin-a7694726.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Tony Tisdale is a troll.
[QUOTE=MothHunter;3379329]Mexican girls with their hair dyed blond.[/QUOTE]Actually, not true. I mean the Mexican reference. I am a regular traveler to all the South and Central American countries. And yes, I do partake of the services available. IMO the Colombian women are typically far more beautiful, And willing to provide a GFE. As far as blonde dye-jobs go I see a lot more in Mexico than Colombia.
A Facebook friend of mine recently posted on her page that she went out for a stroll the other night, around 11 pm. While she was walking, a car passed her, then turned around to, apparently, come back for her. She said this happened as many as 3 times before she made it back to her driveway. Each time, she did what she could to hide from this person, as she was alert enough to know what was going on. This woman is NOT a SW and lives in a decent area of town not far from me. I'm just curious if her experience is typical for women walking around at night, regardless of the location. Yes, I realize I'm jumping to conclusions, but she certainly felt uncomfortable with the situation. Was this a monger, or some other nefarious character?
[QUOTE=ZoomLens2013;3381055]A Facebook friend of mine recently posted on her page that she went out for a stroll the other night, around 11 pm. While she was walking, a car passed her, then turned around to, apparently, come back for her. She said this happened as many as 3 times before she made it back to her driveway. Each time, she did what she could to hide from this person, as she was alert enough to know what was going on. This woman is NOT a SW and lives in a decent area of town not far from me. I'm just curious if her experience is typical for women walking around at night, regardless of the location. Yes, I realize I'm jumping to conclusions, but she certainly felt uncomfortable with the situation. Was this a monger, or some other nefarious character?[/QUOTE]I think using good judgement should also dictate ones decision despite the rights we might have. A young, perhaps, attractive girl walking at night in just about any neighborhood is just not a good idea. Too many things can happen to the young and vulnerable. It's strange that she reached the conclusion that the guy was looking for a SWer versus a guy who just saw an attractive woman he wanted to holler at. It could have been either one but she appeared to have leaned towards the former. Anyway, if she was my friend and she wanted to take walks at night, better if she takes another person with her, preferably a male, but even another female is better than being by yourself or even walking a nice size dog.
So I scooped a girl last week I saw outside Eagle. Took a little longer than normal to get in my ride. Said she doesn't SW. She was cool at first as we drove to find a spot. Agreed of 40 for a car date. It was day time and it took a while to find a spot. Then she got to asking how long I it was going to take for me to cum. We had not even parked yet. But when we got smashing she got all into it to my surprise and we had fun for good amount of time. Said for another 40 and some grub she would come back to my place for more action. Told her call me later but I missed her call. She didn't have digits.
So this week I set out to find her again. Bingo. Found her outside Scottish with her SD. Agreed to meet a certain spot later that evening. To my surprise with no phone or car she came walking up on time. Agreed to some fun if I got her a room put in her name. Everything was going good. Got to the room. She showered talked and on to the fun. Getting it I'm an she caught a couple Os. Mumbling shit I wasn't sure what she was saying. Then I guess it turn Crack O'clock because she got up and said she was done. I didn't even but yet. Now what was such a cool chick mask if off. Saying how she normally don't do nothing for less than 100. And how I tried her twice knowing that. WTF. Told her you agreed to it. You could have just said no. She said well she standing up for herself now. Then talking about how she still has to go out to make money for the rest if the night items. Now I'm getting heated. Said she would pay me half the room next time she see me. Hoe I ain't going to see yo ass again after this shit. This hoe had her clothes off since the moment we got there. We been there a couple hours at that point. She said would you just go so I can get dressed. So I picked up my phone off the nightstand. I also swooped her I. D. That was beside it. Left the hotel and tossed it out the window on the highway.
A replacement I. D. Is a little over 30 plus the time it will take to go to the DMV to get it. Pay that back hoe. I just cost you time and money.
[QUOTE=CantB1;3381690]So I scooped a girl last week I saw outside Eagle. Took a little longer than normal to get in my ride. Said she doesn't SW. She was cool at first as we drove to find a spot. Agreed of 40 for a car date. It was day time and it took a while to find a spot. Then she got to asking how long I it was going to take for me to cum. We had not even parked yet. But when we got smashing she got all into it to my surprise and we had fun for good amount of time. Said for another 40 and some grub she would come back to my place for more action. Told her call me later but I missed her call. She didn't have digits.
So this week I set out to find her again. Bingo. Found her outside Scottish with her SD. Agreed to meet a certain spot later that evening. To my surprise with no phone or car she came walking up on time. Agreed to some fun if I got her a room put in her name. Everything was going good. Got to the room. She showered talked and on to the fun. Getting it I'm an she caught a couple Os. Mumbling shit I wasn't sure what she was saying. Then I guess it turn Crack O'clock because she got up and said she was done. I didn't even but yet. Now what was such a cool chick mask if off. Saying how she normally don't do nothing for less than 100. And how I tried her twice knowing that. WTF. Told her you agreed to it. You could have just said no. She said well she standing up for herself now. Then talking about how she still has to go out to make money for the rest if the night items. Now I'm getting heated. Said she would pay me half the room next time she see me. Hoe I ain't going to see yo ass again after this shit. This hoe had her clothes off since the moment we got there. We been there a couple hours at that point. She said would you just go so I can get dressed. So I picked up my phone off the nightstand. I also swooped her I. D. That was beside it. Left the hotel and tossed it out the window on the highway.
A replacement I. D. Is a little over 30 plus the time it will take to go to the DMV to get it. Pay that back hoe. I just cost you time and money.[/QUOTE]I too just saw a young lady from BP. When I finally saw who it was that I'd be seeing, I quickly remembered I used to see her near the airport. She was actually looking better. She was so nice and sweet initially but then Dr. Jekyll and Miss Hyde came out! She got angry / mad / impatient because I wanted to switch positions (I was well within my 15 minutes). When I noticed her shitty attitude, I began to go soft. I tried to explain to her silly ass that clients don't like to see when girls get attitudes as some of us get that kind of shit from home. I told her if I am paying for it, I don't need your attitude!
So Cantb1, I'm going to one up you! I initially said forget it! I told her I'm going to stop and she can keep the money and I explained that the attitude was not professional at all. I decided I wasn't going to finish because her attitude had gotten worse by the second. I don't know if it was the hit from the weed she took or what but as I am getting dressed, I noticed she still hadn't touched the money (her fatal mistake). Then I thought to myself, if I can get positioned to grab MY donation and book, I'll take a shot! I guess that heifer was so high, she didn't see when I scooped MY donation and hightailed out of there! Then comes the texts about I got your license plate number and such. Yeah right, you were too damn high to even think about that. So anyhow, the kid got his 60 and got the phuck out of dodge! Next time, perhaps she will be nice to her clients and a little more professional! Stupid ass!
On a side note, I was able to see my under the radar pharmacy tech who has one of the best attitudes in the biz on quick notice! Would see her in a heartbeat! As patient as can be!