"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I had three evenings to "play" this week and did fairly well.

Monday Evening. Drove about 40 minutes to meet a 25 year old slim latina. About 5'5" and 120 lbs. I would rate her as a solid 8, maybe even pushing an 8. 5. We had two drinks in a swanky hotel bar and really hit it off. Great conversation and a very nice vibe with each other. After two drinks I mentioned the fact that I was more than likely going to get a hotel room for the evening and that she should join me. She said that sounded like a nice idea but wanted to grab an appetizer and another drink. We walked to a little more casual bar right next door and had another drink and split an appetizer. Not sure what happened during that time but somewhere in there she got cold feet and said that she didn't think she wanted to get the hotel room that night and would be driving back home. I didn't push the issue and took the "nice" guy approach this time as I'd really like to land this fish. We have made plans for next week. We'll see where it goes as no discussion about sugar took place. Total cost was about $65 for drinks between the two bars. Over spent for this date but look at it as an investment.

Tuesday Evening. After the date on Monday night checked SA and started talking with a 20 year old college junior who had just signed up on the site the day before. We connected well as I was familiar with her school and even some of her professors. We texted back and forth late into the evening and made plans to meet. She drove about 40 minutes to meet me. When she showed up in person she was still hot, but larger than what her pictures would have led you to believe. She wasn't necessarily fat, but just a tall, curvy female. I believe someone may have said it earlier, but girls of this generation have perfected the art of the selfie and they know what angles to take pictures and they take 100's of pictures a week so they have a plethora of images to select from. We enjoyed a two hour dinner. Didn't vibe with her as well as I did the girl from the night before but we still had good conversation. Right across the street from the restaurant was a Hot Tub place so I suggested we go hot tubbing which she was readily agreeable to. We swang by the liquor store and picked up a cheap bottle of wine. Checked into the hot tub place and within a few minutes of getting into the hot tub her lips were on my shaft and I was watching a pretty hot 20 year old give me a nice BJ. Sex in a hot tub is not the most comfortable but it's still enjoyable. Only complaint is she told me she didn't want me to come in her mouth. No discussion regarding sugar. Total cost was $30 for the hot tub and $40 for dinner. We made tentative plans to hang out next week.

Wednesday Evening. Had been messaging back and forth with a 33 year old mom for a couple of weeks. Probably about a 7 body, but a 6 face. I hadn't really been all that interested in meeting her but she was persistent with me so we agreed to meet for a quick drink as she could only meet at 5:00 pm and had to leave by 6:00 pm to pick up her kids from day car. She arrives at the bar and I quickly turn the conversation sexual with her as she had sent me a few naughty pictures so I had a feeling she was a bit of a freak. By 5:15 I suggest to her that perhaps we should take a ride in my car and she could show me if she was as good at giving head as she told me she was. By 5:35 I was parked in a secluded parking lot watching her give me a sloppy BJ. She finished around 5:45 and I was driving her back to her car. No discussion about sugar. Total cost was $12.00 for two drinks. We said we'd talk about things next week. We'll see.

Stay safe and have fun!

[QUOTE=LandonR;2364278]I had three evenings to "play" this week and did fairly well.



When she showed up in person she was still hot, but larger than what her pictures would have led you to believe. She wasn't necessarily fat, but just a tall, curvy female. I believe someone may have said it earlier, but girls of this generation have perfected the art of the selfie and they know what angles to take pictures and they take 100's of pictures a week so they have a plethora of images to select from.

Stay safe and have fun![/QUOTE]A few years ago the saying was " the camera adds 10 pounds" to a person. I think the new phrase could be "Reality adds 20 pounds to a person".

[QUOTE=LandonR;2364278]I had three evenings to "play" this week and did fairly well.Total cost was $30 for the hot tub and $40 for dinner. We made tentative plans to hang out next week.

Total cost was $12.00 for two drinks. We said we'd talk about things next week. We'll see.

Stay safe and have fun![/QUOTE]I have noticed that some girls on SA have emailed to say they are more interested in the experience than the cash. Hasn't happened yet, but we will see.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2363249]The ratio in China is too many men. Not enough women. But the quality of the men can't compare to a western man if that's what the girl has set her sights on.

The term "baby daddy". These girls don't want or care to get married. But they do want to get pregnant and get that "child alimony".[/QUOTE]You are right, and I was writing that at 1 am I believe. I stand corrected. Sorry for the misinformation. Yes, and what caused the unusual imbalance of men is because of their culture of over valuing having sons in stead of females. Sons hold a higher status symbol for the family. That thought process has been slowly changing over the recent years. With their one child policy (not true in the countryside) they would just abort if it was a female. So many years of that and you have what you see today. An imbalance of men over women.

Yes, the word is already out that the western men treat women way better than their countrymen. The American woman have no idea how good they have it with us. We as men and the system has spoiled them to no end, and now they've become complacent and entitled. They ought to go live in another country and find out how they're treated there.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2364145]If American women are after our money foreign women view us as a way to immigrate to the US. Once they get here they may decide to stay with you if you have money or go with a guy who has more. The foreign spouse has to be married only for 2 years after which their Green Card (Permanent Residency) becomes permanent at least they will be subservient to you for those 2 years.

Sad but true.

But then again with Obama letting anyone who wishes to sneak into the country and get all the benefits (tax refunds!) we are now probably less appealing to foreign women.[/QUOTE]Yes, there is truth in what you said about they view us as a way to immigrate to the US. There is (but has been fading in recent years) that belief that everyone is rich here and good. As we know for from the truth, but the prospects they have (I'm thinking Chinese women) are slim in good paying career, and a man that will respect them. They have a hard time finding both. There are some gold diggers, but the ratio is smaller. Their values of family and marriage are much different than our women. Chinese women tend to be very loyal to the man they love. Loyal beyond what guys here have ever experienced. Now that China is an economic power they are not stumbling over themselves to come here. The economy is strong there. With the power of the internet they are learning that our country is not so great anymore.

I will add one more thing to what you were saying about "watching out". The women have learned that they will be pampered here and put up on a pedestal that our system has created. All in all the number of quality women, value wise, is way more than what we have here. That is why I tell any young guy hell bent on getting married to marry an Asian woman. The odds are better in finding good, grounded, and loyal women. Liken it to going back in this country to the 50's and 60's. That is how our women used to be. Now that is not a blanket statement for all of them. The younger generation in their teens and early twenties are exhibiting habits that our women have here.

"I want to be up front and just say if everything goes great and we have chemistry at the end of the day, I would not be looking for a one time thing. My ex was my only SD and I saw him once a week for 1 k per date. If I can find something close to that I would be happy and I'm well worth it So hypothetically if we click is this what you are ooking for? If so I can email pics asap".

If everything goes great?. If I could find something close to that I might decide to be a SB too. I have gotten a few of these 1 k proposals. Too funny.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2365348]"I want to be up front and just say if everything goes great and we have chemistry at the end of the day, I would not be looking for a one time thing. My ex was my only SD and I saw him once a week for 1 k per date. If I can find something close to that I would be happy and I'm well worth it So hypothetically if we click is this what you are ooking for? If so I can email pics asap".

If everything goes great?. If I could find something close to that I might decide to be a SB too. I have gotten a few of these 1 k proposals. Too funny.[/QUOTE]Some of these girls get on the site and treat it as it is the lottery. They're really not real serious about being a SB, so if they hit then it's the jackpot for them.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2365348]"I want to be up front and just say if everything goes great and we have chemistry at the end of the day, I would not be looking for a one time thing. My ex was my only SD and I saw him once a week for 1 k per date. If I can find something close to that I would be happy and I'm well worth it So hypothetically if we click is this what you are ooking for? If so I can email pics asap".

If everything goes great?. If I could find something close to that I might decide to be a SB too. I have gotten a few of these 1 k proposals. Too funny.[/QUOTE]Hollywood, please tell me the POT that wrote that note to you is featured on the Cover of this week's Sports Illustrated. I agree with Mike, they must look at it as a lottery ticket and, no matter what the odds, you can't win if you don't play.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2365348]"My ex was my only SD and I saw him once a week for 1 k per date".
[/QUOTE]What some of them mean when they say this is they saw him once per week (for a three day holiday weekend at a time), but that week only came every three months or so depending on his work schedule.

So three nights of no holds barred fucking, figure three rounds per night. I fully believe that some of them pull this off, it's just that they are using "marketing speak" to make it sound like "a date" equates to "a fuck", and we all know that's not the case.

All this assumes her statement is even true. But yeah, some guys will pay a grand for a travel weekend if she's hot enough. It all comes down to how honest she is about what a date meant.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2365348]"I want to be up front and just say if everything goes great and we have chemistry at the end of the day, I would not be looking for a one time thing. My ex was my only SD and I saw him once a week for 1 k per date. If I can find something close to that I would be happy and I'm well worth it So hypothetically if we click is this what you are ooking for? If so I can email pics asap".

If everything goes great?. If I could find something close to that I might decide to be a SB too. I have gotten a few of these 1 k proposals. Too funny.[/QUOTE]Usually if I find out a girl has had an SD before and I am considering her for more than a booty call, I will pass due to unrealistic expectations. I just think its funny that they even ask. I have had about 4 or 5 quote me this price so far. For the last 4 months I have been fairly satiated with my regulars. So I am just trying to find the next real SB. I have a few that look promising but it is really taking a lot of time. And the booty call girls just aren't getting me out of my chair lately. The 3 at the top of my list are all shy or scared regular girls. One has been passed around as a booty call a few times and is really frustrated. The other two are real newbies.

Its like I tell any skittish girl. "Every relationship starts with a one nite stand".

Stumbled across this while surfing some other stuff:

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2951713/So-pretty-young-woman-join-sugar-daddy-dating-site-Student-22-admits-taking-cash-older-man-says-wrong-that.html[/URL]

22 Year old British student lands a 44 yr old Multimillionaire. 5,000 lbs. (That's $7645 US) over 6 months, plus lots of high-end shopping. Paid for her 21st birthday party. Plus supposedly, she didn't even have to sleep with him:

"Emily claims that she didn't sleep with her 'sugar daddy' during the six months that they were together, because she wasn't ready.

But she does admit that they went further than any platonic friends ever would.

'He wanted more but I wasn't ready,' she explains.

When asked if they kissed and how ask far they did go, she replied: 'Yes, we kissed. It was like we were in the early stages of a relationship. ' ".

Bottomline message to the SBs. Lots of multimillionaires out there looking to lavish you with gifts and cash for no sex. LOL.

Also, check out the SA ad for Sugar Baby U.

Good Hunting!

Travelin'.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2365454]What some of them mean when they say this is they saw him once per week (for a three day holiday weekend at a time), but that week only came every three months or so depending on his work schedule.

So three nights of no holds barred fucking, figure three rounds per night. I fully believe that some of them pull this off, it's just that they are using "marketing speak" to make it sound like "a date" equates to "a fuck", and we all know that's not the case.

All this assumes her statement is even true. But yeah, some guys will pay a grand for a travel weekend if she's hot enough. It all comes down to how honest she is about what a date meant.[/QUOTE]A working girl I got to know traded my knowledge for her pleasures when she was on her tour through my town. She shared her business realities and made $175 K that year. She was older (40 ish) but beautiful and classy and still had "it". She was one an older guy would feel proud of and not self conscious . And she was educated and smart . Her fee was $300/ hour but had numerous weekend trips through the year to Vegas and other hot spots to travel with clients for $1800 plus travel and gifts. So it does happen that a guy who has tons of money spends it. What I do not get (believe) is the no sex thing. This girl "Emily" is super cute, but no way she wouldn't be putting out. So she just lies so she can say she isn't selling sex. BS Mutha Fu#%ka! We might be dumb but we're not stupid.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;2365892]Stumbled across this while surfing some other stuff:

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2951713/So-pretty-young-woman-join-sugar-daddy-dating-site-Student-22-admits-taking-cash-older-man-says-wrong-that.html[/URL]

22 Year old British student lands a 44 yr old Multimillionaire. 5,000 lbs. (That's $7645 US) over 6 months, plus lots of high-end shopping. Paid for her 21st birthday party. Plus supposedly, she didn't even have to sleep with him:

"Emily claims that she didn't sleep with her 'sugar daddy' during the six months that they were together, because she wasn't ready.

But she does admit that they went further than any platonic friends ever would.

'He wanted more but I wasn't ready,' she explains.

When asked if they kissed and how ask far they did go, she replied: 'Yes, we kissed. It was like we were in the early stages of a relationship. ' ".

Bottomline message to the SBs. Lots of multimillionaires out there looking to lavish you with gifts and cash for no sex. LOL.

Also, check out the SA ad for Sugar Baby U.

Good Hunting!

Travelin'.[/QUOTE]Lots of amusing misinformation in that article, kind of reminds of why one of my friends always refers to that newspaper as "The Daily Fail". Unfortunately it's not just them, articles like these are pretty common. I suppose not many SBs are willing to brag about a relationship that includes sex -- it's too close to feeling like a pro for them. So they keep that part to themselves, and we end up with ridiculous articles about multimillionaires who pay their SBs 1 k / month for the priviledge of taking them shopping and maybe occasionally holding hands.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2362302]MESSAGE 1.

Hello. I just read your profile.

So after reading my profile if you want to know more, then email me at [EMAIL]xxx@xxx.com[/EMAIL].

Just lmk its you by your profile name.

I do prefer a per meeting type of arrangement to start.

So if you could let me know what your expectation$ are that would be great.

MESSAGE 2 - 123 message.

MESSAGE 3.

Well every girl is on here for a reason. So let me ask you. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me.

I'm sure you will get offers of $200 to $300 a date (lots of them). And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it.

But if you're willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. What do you think?

MESSAGE 4.

Well that's good because that's normally the type of girl I date. I pay $100 a date. Which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. Otherwise what's the point?

I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for a girl to keep seeing me for a $100 a date she has to like me. At $300 a date I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

MESSAGE 5.

Send a long personalized intro letter explaining the details of your donation and expectations. Now when you go to the M&G you have a great chance of going straight to the FC. So be prepared.

If they go silent at any point in the process, just forget about them. If they go off the script / desired reply, just answer their question or comment directly and then go right back to the script. You have to stay in control of the conversation at all times. And try lots of things, I know I have and continue to do so. This is just what I am doing now.

Until 2 weeks ago I was just going straight to message 5. Kinda crazy but it did work enough to keep me busy. But I am finding that this multi step process is drawing out some of the more reluctant girls as well as the easy pickings. Your message 5 needs to be very compelling, erotic but not sleazy and must convey some real sincerity. Take the control they want to give you.[/QUOTE]Hey Hollywood,

I must have missed your post about the "123" message. Could you refresh my memory? Or direct me to it?

Keep up the good work.

Scott.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2365927]A working girl I got to know traded my knowledge for her pleasures when she was on her tour through my town. She shared her business realities and made $175 K that year. She was older (40 ish) but beautiful and classy and still had "it". She was one an older guy would feel proud of and not self conscious . And she was educated and smart . Her fee was $300/ hour but had numerous weekend trips through the year to Vegas and other hot spots to travel with clients for $1800 plus travel and gifts. So it does happen that a guy who has tons of money spends it. What I do not get (believe) is the no sex thing. This girl "Emily" is super cute, but no way she wouldn't be putting out. So she just lies so she can say she isn't selling sex. BS Mutha Fu#%ka! We might be dumb but we're not stupid.[/QUOTE]Female denial of promiscuity has been around as long as the vagina itself. It is as intrinsic to them as our desire for variety is. In the case of SBs or pros, they see it as making themselves seem more respectful that they would command money for "companionship" while lessening the chance. One of the wildest fuck buddies I ever had was the biggest **** in the world between the sheets, but outside of bed would try to convince me that her total lifetime sex partner count could be counted on one hand (which was not even remotely believable, besides she had already told me about 3 of them that had occurred just in the prior year).

In all the women I've known, I can only remember one that bragged about (or I should announced) her promiscuity. A Chinese college student in her 20's I met online, she had come to the US only to study. I'm sitting there in a bar with her having a couple of drinks, when randomly and out of the clear blue, she said "do you fuck around a lot? I wasn't even sure I heard her correctly so I said "what? So she repeated it. "I said do you fuck around a lot? Because I do, I just wondered if you did too". It caught me completely off guard -- not because she seemed the shy or conservative type (not even close), but just because I'd never heard a woman so casually announced her promiscuity like that. Naturally I answered her question both verbally and with action.