"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2361681]Have to do it without the SO knowing. I understand that it is a short procedure but afterward can I drive myself home? If I have to take a cab home then some precise scheduling may be required. After SO leaves home I come back and leave the car at home, take a cab to the place of surgery and return home the same way. I think I should be able to tell SO that I am not well and will stay home from work the next day.

How long is the typical time for recovery? Is it advisable to go back and get a sperm count to be sure or is a home test reliable?
[/QUOTE]Just had it done in December. I drove myself home. Definitely wanted a bag of frozen peas for comfort for a day, that might be conspicuous. You also have to be shaved. I could have gone to work 2 days later (and maybe the day after). Don't think I would have wanted to have sex for at least a week after. They gave me a sample cup to be dropped off at labcorp 10 weeks after the fact.

Is anyone using my 4 step method? Just curious because after 2 weeks on SA and sending maybe 100 messages I got about a dozen girls agreeing to $ a date. I still have about another dozen on SD4 M I never got too as well. I realize living in L. A. That the bowl is much deeper than in some places, but seriously this is out of control. I can't really even send anymore intro messages unless I just want to start deleting girls off my list. I am going to try to do 3 M&G's a week for about a month to clear things up. After seeing my regulars and taking one day off per week that only leaves me two days a week to meet anyone new. Also the girls are about evenly split between 7's and 8's with a few 9's. No 10's or 6's. But a 10 could easily be had for a little more sugar.

I did three M&G's last week. Girl #1 I fooled around with and could again but she wasnt all that. Girl two was a total washout and I am ignoring her txt's. Girl three the tiny professional dancer (not a stripper) txted me back today. That one wants a BF more than a SD which is fine by me. At 20 and 5'4' 110 and all muscle I cant wait to taste her. She is in my typical sweet spot a 7/9. Not as pretty as I would prefer but with a perfect tiny body.

Somebody please try the 4 steps. Because I know for an absolute fact it will lead to the FC for anyone. Period. I keep refining the language as I get feed back. But each message ending with a question at the end leads to the desired path. An M&G with the sugar amount already agreed upon or they wash out cleanly with no M&G and no wasted time or money.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2361681]Have to do it without the SO knowing. I understand that it is a short procedure but afterward can I drive myself home? If I have to take a cab home then some precise scheduling may be required. After SO leaves home I come back and leave the car at home, take a cab to the place of surgery and return home the same way. I think I should be able to tell SO that I am not well and will stay home from work the next day.
How long is the typical time for recovery? Is it advisable to go back and get a sperm count to be sure or is a home test reliable?
I would appreciate any advice / information.[/QUOTE]Maybe it varies depending on where you go, but the few times I've had surgery they required me to have someone there to act as a guardian (SO, family member, etc.), they wouldn't let me get a cab home. If they do it with a local, that may not apply, but even when I had wisdom teeth extracted which was with a local, I think they required someone to sign me out simply because of the opiates to manage pain (that was back in the days when the pain meds they gave you actually worked. These days there's such a problem with oxycodone addicts and such they often start you out with the weak dose stuff that helps very little). Just something to check into with the doc and plan accordingly for.

1. AA 8 from pics 24 yrs. Said no thanks to msg 4.

Reply to msg 3.

No, not necessarily. The SD I was just dealing with was very handsome and he started me at 500.00 and told me anything less, don't even bother. Then it went up as he gained trust in me. He really took care of my tuition for me. But then he get like he was catching feelings so we decided to go our separate ways. But would would be your definition of less? He wasn't the highest bidder either. That's not what I'm looking for.

2. AA 9 from pics 20 yrs.

Reply to msg 2.

My motivation is #1 but a genuine connection is fundamental.

Reply to msg 3.

Money is every sugar baby's motivator or they wouldn't be a sugar baby. You should consider a spoiled girlfriend instead. Thank you for your time but I can tell this is not the right match. Good luck on your search.

3. AA 9 from pics 22 yrs.

Reply to msg 3.

This is all very new to me. However, I won't settle for less than I deserve. You still have not told me what your terms are. I am straight forward, so let's get to the point. What do you need and expect from a potential SB? What do you offer in return?

Reply to msg 4.

I understand what you mean but, for that amount there would be no physical activity whatsoever. I have never sold my genitalia and I don't plan on doing so. I had hopes that we would date a little bit. Thank you for taking the time to consider me for a possible arrangement, but seeing as I cannot meet those expectations we will not continue this conversation.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2361887]Is anyone using my 4 step method? Just curious because after 2 weeks on SA and sending maybe 100 messages I got about a dozen girls agreeing to $ a date. I still have about another dozen on SD4 M I never got too as well. I realize living in L. A. That the bowl is much
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Somebody please try the 4 steps. Because I know for an absolute fact it will lead to the FC for anyone. Period. I keep refining the language as I get feed back. But each message ending with a question at the end leads to the desired path. An M&G with the sugar amount already agreed upon or they wash out cleanly with no M&G and no wasted time or money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2361947]1. AA 8 from pics 24 yrs. Said no thanks to msg 4.

Reply to msg 3.

No, not necessarily. The SD I was just dealing with was very handsome and he started me at 500.00 and told me anything less, don't even bother. Then it went up as he gained trust in me. He really took care of my tuition for me. But then he get like he was catching feelings so we decided to go our separate ways. But would would be your definition of less? He wasn't the highest bidder either. That's not what I'm looking for.

2. AA 9 from pics 20 yrs.

Reply to msg 2.

My motivation is #1 but a genuine connection is fundamental.

Reply to msg 3.

Money is every sugar baby's motivator or they wouldn't be a sugar baby. You should consider a spoiled girlfriend instead. Thank you for your time but I can tell this is not the right match. Good luck on your search.

3. AA 9 from pics 22 yrs.

Reply to msg 3.

This is all very new to me. However, I won't settle for less than I deserve. You still have not told me what your terms are. I am straight forward, so let's get to the point. What do you need and expect from a potential SB? What do you offer in return?

Reply to msg 4.

I understand what you mean but, for that amount there would be no physical activity whatsoever. I have never sold my genitalia and I don't plan on doing so. I had hopes that we would date a little bit. Thank you for taking the time to consider me for a possible arrangement, but seeing as I cannot meet those expectations we will not continue this conversation.[/QUOTE]So you avoided 3 M&G's that would have served no real purpose. On to the next three. I get a lot of rejects. No problem. I prefer to get rejected online rather than in person.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2360586]"Is that a good thing Fish? Maybe you shouldn't have tried so hard. I think Hollywood has the dream life. When the SO good times are surpassed by the bad times then it makes the Sugar life look better and better. Marriage is usually good, until it isn't. And it always hits that "isn't " phase at some point. That is why we are all here, on line, emailing nubile young babes, trying to find that next conquest instead of snuggling up at home with the SO. Sad but true.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is possible that my activities will send my marraige to the history books. But if the bad times were surpassing the good ones. Then I would prefer divorce.

I could try to rationalize why I am playing in the bowl using a lot of excuses, but to date, none of the sbs I've been with are as pretty as my SO (IMHO). Why on earth would I spend money to bang a girl that isn't as attractive as what I could get for "free"?

At the end of the day, its the excitement of being with someone different. It's purely a psychological thing. The other day I met my ATF provider. The first time I returned to that world since playing in the bowl (I. E. About three months). My ATF is smoking hot. Hotter than my SO, but she couldn't hold a candle to my last sugar encounter. Mainly because I knew I was paying for the p*ssy.

Long story short, I'm with my SO because she is everything that these girls in the bowl are not (e. G. Sane, caring, intelligent, etc.). I am with the girls in the bowl because they are everything my SO is not. But mainly because they are not my SO.

Sure. I had to play headgames to turn my SO into my SO, but now. That she's mine, I wouldn't rare her for any girl I've met in the bowl. To date. That might change over time, depending on how my relationship with my SO plays out, and on who I end up meeting in the bowl though.

Only time will tell.

Okay Hollywood. After so many encounters with BP girls, wasted time, wasted money, fleeting moments of joy and sustained experiences of empty wallet. I'm shifting gears over to the SD / SB approach. I'm 24 - I know this isn't going to do much in my favor, but I've started up an SA account, paid premium and sent out your prob to 10 so far. Reports coming. Any advice. From anybody, please send my way. I've been studying the forum, but any information you may want to add or give me due to my age circumstances, please shoot them my way! Hoping to give you guys good news soon.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2361887]Is anyone using my 4 step method? Just curious because after 2 weeks on SA and sending maybe 100 messages I got about a dozen girls agreeing to $ a date. I still have about another dozen on SD4 M I never got too as well. I realize living in L. A. That the bowl is much deeper than in some places, but seriously this is out of control. I can't really even send anymore intro messages unless I just want to start deleting girls off my list. I am going to try to do 3 M&G's a week for about a month to clear things up. After seeing my regulars and taking one day off per week that only leaves me two days a week to meet anyone new. Also the girls are about evenly split between 7's and 8's with a few 9's. No 10's or 6's. But a 10 could easily be had for a little more sugar.

I did three M&G's last week. Girl #1 I fooled around with and could again but she wasnt all that. Girl two was a total washout and I am ignoring her txt's. Girl three the tiny professional dancer (not a stripper) txted me back today. That one wants a BF more than a SD which is fine by me. At 20 and 5'4' 110 and all muscle I cant wait to taste her. She is in my typical sweet spot a 7/9. Not as pretty as I would prefer but with a perfect tiny body.

Somebody please try the 4 steps. Because I know for an absolute fact it will lead to the FC for anyone. Period. I keep refining the language as I get feed back. But each message ending with a question at the end leads to the desired path. An M&G with the sugar amount already agreed upon or they wash out cleanly with no M&G and no wasted time or money.[/QUOTE]I used it for someone who has promised to meet for an M&G tomorrow. We'll see.

I used it a few days ago, and the HJ converted to a BJ&sex.

MESSAGE 1.

Hello. I just read your profile.

So after reading my profile if you want to know more, then email me at [EMAIL]xxx@xxx.com[/EMAIL].

Just lmk its you by your profile name.

I do prefer a per meeting type of arrangement to start.

So if you could let me know what your expectation$ are that would be great.

MESSAGE 2 - 123 message.

MESSAGE 3.

Well every girl is on here for a reason. So let me ask you. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me.

I'm sure you will get offers of $200 to $300 a date (lots of them). And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it.

But if you're willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. What do you think?

MESSAGE 4.

Well that's good because that's normally the type of girl I date. I pay $100 a date. Which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. Otherwise what's the point?

I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for a girl to keep seeing me for a $100 a date she has to like me. At $300 a date I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

MESSAGE 5.

Send a long personalized intro letter explaining the details of your donation and expectations. Now when you go to the M&G you have a great chance of going straight to the FC. So be prepared.

If they go silent at any point in the process, just forget about them. If they go off the script / desired reply, just answer their question or comment directly and then go right back to the script. You have to stay in control of the conversation at all times. And try lots of things, I know I have and continue to do so. This is just what I am doing now.

Until 2 weeks ago I was just going straight to message 5. Kinda crazy but it did work enough to keep me busy. But I am finding that this multi step process is drawing out some of the more reluctant girls as well as the easy pickings. Your message 5 needs to be very compelling, erotic but not sleazy and must convey some real sincerity. Take the control they want to give you.

Algorithms and guidelines are always helpful, but in the end capturing pussy is still an art form. Very few gents will have the same results as the Professor.

I'm 24 - I know this isn't going to do much in my favor (Imnotkevin).

Kevin, you are a Sugar Brother, not a Daddy. This will be good and bad for you. A lot of these girls want to get away from guys their own age because they are immature and cheap. They seek that Daddy image for a multitude of Psych reasons. I would advise upping your stated age in your profile unless you are a young looking 24 . Probably 30 + or state that you are a really youthful looking 35 . OTOH money talks so if you hit their sweet spot they are good. On the plus side they might see you as datable IRL and relate to you better than to a 60 yr old. Watch out for attachments.

"Why on earth would I spend money to bang a girl that isn't as attractive as what I could get for "free" Fish.

V. A. R. I. E. T. Y But if you as satisfied with your SO as that you might seriously reconsider the fleeting excitement of an SB vs Potentially losing your SO, reputation, money, etc.

Pot #1 my 10/10 went dark with my offer of $ for Non IC playing around. No touchee no feelie at all I guess.

POT #2 7/7 Hispanic low 20's. She is a little chubby with DDs. But teen / early 20 chub is a little firmer consistency that is pleasing compared to the blubber of an older girl. This might be my sweet spot (see Pot#2) She is already at $500/ month but does not have transportation. This makes me nervous carting her around town. My last Hispanic was the same but had wheels She was a 10 in bed so I might try this one out.

POT#2 23 yr old Hispanic 7/7 She has a car and looks slimmer with small tits and full lips. She is willing so I might try her out.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2361681]Have to do it without the SO knowing. I understand that it is a short procedure but afterward can I drive myself home? If I have to take a cab home then some precise scheduling may be required. After SO leaves home I come back and leave the car at home, take a cab to the place of surgery and return home the same way. I think I should be able to tell SO that I am not well and will stay home from work the next day.

How long is the typical time for recovery? Is it advisable to go back and get a sperm count to be sure or is a home test reliable?

I would appreciate any advice / information.[/QUOTE]There are so many things wrong with this plan. JL is correct and most medical facilities require a companion to be present and drive you home. Here are some??s that you need to answer to yourself. What if you have a complication? Do you want the option of having children when you get divorced and reup with another Babe who wants Kids? Can you explain the shave that is required? Does your SO see you naked a lot so could you easily hide the swelling and the incision? Could you sit on an ice pack for a day or two without her wondering what's wrong? Is your Insurance paperwork seen by the SO? All Insurance Companies send an EOB after paying for services. That is an explanation of benefits stating what they paid to the various providers.

If you can answer satisfactorily all of these? S and can hide from your SO for a week you might get away with it. A sperm count will be done at least once a few months later and if not clear again another month or two.

Good Morning FM. LOL. That was the last of my obsessive compulsive, sales geek, internet geek, and total online dating freak post, outlining my prospecting strategy. I will stick to casual updates of my M&G's and dates going forward.

[QUOTE=ImNotKevin;2362009]Okay Hollywood. After so many encounters with BP girls, wasted time, wasted money, fleeting moments of joy and sustained experiences of empty wallet. I'm shifting gears over to the SD / SB approach. I'm 24 - I know this isn't going to do much in my favor, but I've started up an SA account, paid premium and sent out your prob to 10 so far. Reports coming. Any advice. From anybody, please send my way. I've been studying the forum, but any information you may want to add or give me due to my age circumstances, please shoot them my way! Hoping to give you guys good news soon.[/QUOTE]At age 24 you really should be working on developing your game at bars and regular dating sites. 24 is right about the perfect age for that, and it can be frustrating at time but the end result is much cheaper pussy. Take advantage of your current spot in nature and go after girls your age! Remember that failure is NORMAL in the civy dating world, and the failure is what helps you learn and get better. Then one day you'll realize your craft has been perfected and the challenge is gone and you'll miss the days you used to fail.

That whole experience is a part of my life I wish I could get back. It is infinitely more fun than just fucking girls in the bowl. If you've wasted time and money on BP girls all for fleeting moments of joy, you're going to be equally disappointed with the bowl because the enjoyment is still fleeting (only there's a lot more legwork required to get there), and if you don't have the income to support the hobby it's a fucking death wish! (I just mention that because you said empty wallet. If you don't have the income to be an SD you shouldn't even be thinking about it at this point).

Seriously, do not miss out on taking advantage of your age. If you do it right and exert some effort you still have a good 10 years at least of bar hopping and online hookups to enjoy, and tons of free pussy.

Also, when you do arrive at SD age, the game you developed above will benefit you tremendously as an SD. The SBs half your age will give you the fucks of your life hoping they've found their long-term prince charming that will set them up with an easy life. They can easily sense all the experience with women you developed when younger and they respect it and find it tremendously attractive. They won't even ask how much you can afford, they will just drop their panties and hope for the best.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2362322]There are so many things wrong with this plan. JL is correct and most medical facilities require a companion to be present and drive you home. Here are some??s that you need to answer to yourself. What if you have a complication? Do you want the option of having children when you get divorced and reup with another Babe who wants Kids? Can you explain the shave that is required? Does your SO see you naked a lot so could you easily hide the swelling and the incision? Could you sit on an ice pack for a day or two without her wondering what's wrong? Is your Insurance paperwork seen by the SO? All Insurance Companies send an EOB after paying for services. That is an explanation of benefits stating what they paid to the various providers.

If you can answer satisfactorily all of these? S and can hide from your SO for a week you might get away with it. A sperm count will be done at least once a few months later and if not clear again another month or two.[/QUOTE]There was one more that I thought about, but I didn't even want to go there or ask about the circumstances. In some states, if a person opts into sterilization after marriage without informing their spouse, they may be at some sort of legal hot water if the spouse found out depending on the situation. I vaguely remember hearing about a case like this, although I can't remember the state or whether it involved religion or not. The issue was around hiding the sterilization from the spouse or lying about it, not the sterilization itself.

It sounds kind of out there I know but divorce court can get weird.

There is one solution, but you will have to be a really good actor.

Pretend to have sensative balls for a few weeks -- complain that they are hurting. She will suggest you go see a doctor. Assuming she does not come and hold your hand -- you go to regular doctor and tell him you need a VAS.

He refers you to Urology specialists -- you tell the wife you are being refered, and they recomend a vasectomy.

You have it all done under insurance with the wife's support and help!!

Now -- to a doctor out there -- give us the name of a condition that might cause testicular pain etc. That can be fixed with a Vasectomy!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2362322]There are so many things wrong with this plan. JL is correct and most medical facilities require a companion to be present and drive you home. Here are some??s that you need to answer to yourself. What if you have a complication? Do you want the option of having children when you get divorced and reup with another Babe who wants Kids? Can you explain the shave that is required? Does your SO see you naked a lot so could you easily hide the swelling and the incision? Could you sit on an ice pack for a day or two without her wondering what's wrong? Is your Insurance paperwork seen by the SO? All Insurance Companies send an EOB after paying for services. That is an explanation of benefits stating what they paid to the various providers.

If you can answer satisfactorily all of these? S and can hide from your SO for a week you might get away with it. A sperm count will be done at least once a few months later and if not clear again another month or two.[/QUOTE]