"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

25 yr AA single mother - 7 from pictures wants $500-700 for adult fun. What's with the range?

34 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

44 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

34 yr White divorcee no children - 7 from pics $800 for twice a month.

What is a man to do?

Had 3 FC during first meeting.

First turned out to be a pro even though nothing came up when I searched for her phone#. Second was a nice lady just a little too much in the middle may still meet her occasionally. Third was big! Should stay away from those "few extra pounds"!

Oh well if nothing turns up before my membership expires then I guess it is back to escorting.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2356233]25 yr AA single mother - 7 from pictures wants $500-700 for adult fun. What's with the range?

34 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

44 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

34 yr White divorcee no children - 7 from pics $800 for twice a month.

[/QUOTE]Is this your preferred age range? Typically women in the 30 something range seem to have a higher demand. There has been some speculation on here as to the psychology of that, maybe its as simple as they are in a place in their lives where $100 is just not going to make as much of a difference as it does for a 22 year old. My sweet spot has been 21-25. I had one long thing with a 30 year old for $200 a week but it was really much closer to regular dating, she just had a thing for older men.

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Oh well if nothing turns up before my membership expires then I guess it is back to escorting.[/QUOTE]Hang in there dude. You can always keep looking while you are calling the pros. I strongly suggest you put out your donation amount asap. You may catch some low hanging fruit at first and then work your way up.

I tend to "date" my sbs as well. Definitely not cost effective as the costs associated with me playing in the bowl are well over double what HWG reports paying with probably about a third as many trips to the FC.

My style is different than JeezLizard though because I prefer to discuss expectations at the m&g or after, and almost always before the FC.

Also to clarify, I never provide an allowance for a simple m&g. If I like a girl, there will be times when I give her a small token gift to cover expenses associated with travel.

I am no brad pitt either, but on the other hand am relatively fit and have been told I am easy on the eyes. Being under 40 doesn't hurt either.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2356197]Yes perhaps on unique for this forum, definite no on looking like Brad Pitt.

What's unique about my situation is that I typically take them on an actual date first, which helps get them in the mood a bit. It's not the most cost effective method, but it works. I'm not yet 60 and may not be able to pull off the same level of success with 20 year olds when I am, but doing so with 30-35 year olds at age 60+ is perfectly feasible and some of those are the best fucks anyway.

I think part of my success is I know my strengths and limitations and work each to their best advantage. When I'm 60, if I still want to fuck 20 year olds then I'm probably going to be limited to UTRs and such. I pick and choose the POTs that I'm willing to actually M&G with very carefully. My methods would not work in bulk. Quality over quantity.

But to be clear, I'm definitely not suggesting my methods will work for everyone. Just one man's experiences. I always try to disclose that I do not do this full-time, so when I do it, I budget for full-on dating in order to make the most of my limited time away from the SO.[/QUOTE]

I just broke my SA cherry with a sweet UTR girl. Not your typical UTR at all. Very girl next door to the girl next door type. She was a little mousy but sexy and very submissive and very petite. The submissive part got me going as her looks were nothing to marvel at.

When I originally txted her earlier today about seeing her tonite, she said too bad as she was going out. Lucky for me it was near my house, so she just left early and swung by.

It was more like an after school makeout session with just masturbating each other for about 40 minutes tops. She was a 24 year old white latina about a 7/6/8/7. So I took my own advice and went for the low hanging fruit for a $, got her off my list and made another date for later tonite with a different girl (if I can get it up). Still got a couple hours to decide. The one tonite has her own place. I may just go there to relieve the boredom.

So I got in a solid 8 hours at work, did a session with her, got a quick bite after and still made it home in time for the 6:30 news. Sometimes it pays to be an early bird.

And just now girl number two called to flake on tonites date, but better her flaking than me. This is why its good to double book sometimes, cuz peoples plans do change.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2355924]The girls I've known never bring it up. The few times I've brought it up before the deed was done, it ended up working to my disadvantage. I just gift them after the deed is done.[/QUOTE]I've been lurking and reading up since last October. New to the site. I've learned quite a bit.

My question (this is only an example) is if a girl posted in her profile about $$ and you give her $ isn't she pretty pissed off? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote. Thanks.

I have encountered more and more POTs insisting on giving to start before the arrangement. While so far the approach "ok, next" is working, I am starting to wonder whether this is a new trend, with new SDs entering the bowl and making the rookie mistake of breaking the Golden Rule of sugar (flows both ways). While it is someone else's money, if our POTs will get the notion that they can just rinse and repeat, it will be much harder to find a true heart among the scammers. Also, another trend I encountered, POTs trying to negotiate a "sterile" FC trip, with both of you wearing a space suit so she, God forbids, catches some terrible bug from your filthy touch.

Maybe the Golden Age of Sugar is coming to an end, sooner then we expected?

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2356567]I've been lurking and reading up since last October. New to the site. I've learned quite a bit.

My question (this is only an example) is if a girl posted in her profile about $$ and you give her $ isn't she pretty pissed off? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The short answer is they can't specify per date expectation on SA which is what I usually use. The longer answer is that I have had a few that say (prior to meeting) something like "so how much is my allowance?" And I immediately identify them as a problem child and I won't deal with them.

There are a lot of girls that never get passed the initial e-mail conversation with me. I try to filter out the ones that will be a pain in the ass or lead nowhere. Perhaps if I were willing to compromise I could find happy medium and thereby get more pussy cheaper, but as I said I usually have a very short time window in which I can play, so I have to filter out all bullshit and choose the best of the best.

I make it clear to them that I don't HAVE to pay for sex, therefore I want someone who fucks because she likes to fuck. If their motive is purely digging for gold, they can keep moving. The ones that find something attractive in me will move forward with the M&G.

So far I've only had one who completely fooled me, seemed like a class act and the real deal (and was super hot). Made it through my screening procedures to the M&G, only to find out she wanted to discuss money before the FC, and even then she was an unrealistic GPS so I sent her home broke and me home with blueballs. I found out later by finding her on Facebook she is in a LTR relationship with another woman. She didn't even appear to be bisexual, she had no interest in cock at all. Explained a lot after I found out all the details. Too bad, she was quite convincing and I would have loved to stuff her.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2356233]25 yr AA single mother - 7 from pictures wants $500-700 for adult fun. What's with the range?

34 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

44 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

34 yr White divorcee no children - 7 from pics $800 for twice a month.

What is a man to do?

Had 3 FC during first meeting.

First turned out to be a pro even though nothing came up when I searched for her phone#. Second was a nice lady just a little too much in the middle may still meet her occasionally. Third was big! Should stay away from those "few extra pounds"!

Oh well if nothing turns up before my membership expires then I guess it is back to escorting.[/QUOTE]I am not judging anyone and to each his own but whenever I read this thread I just can't get over the money these women want. Maybe because I have no problem meeting women and at any given time have a GF or am taking a break from one. Never mind marrying one. I get bored easily and I am cheap. I learned the lesson of being "nice" a long time ago, I find that if I am a borderline prick and slightly obnoxious I can usually get any woman, for free. For some reason they love it, not all of course but many. Most women are weirdos or crazy bitches so why pay for that? If I do have a need I usually seek out a street urchin get my BJ and get rid of them. 20 bucks well spent. And that's why I pay, to get rid of them. So my question is this: what is the purpose of being a SD / SB? I just don't get it, can someone give me their take on what they get out of it? I'm being serious, and just asking for opinions on what you all think, thanks.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2356289]Hang in there dude. You can always keep looking while you are calling the pros. I strongly suggest you put out your donation amount asap. You may catch some low hanging fruit at first and then work your way up.[/QUOTE]How do I put out my donation amount?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2357347]How do I put out my donation amount?[/QUOTE]Message a.

"Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar, that won't be me. That would be some less attractive, needy guy. And you will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them). And you'll probably need that just to tolerate them.

But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, better looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. ".

Wait for her reply.

Message b

(say something germain to her reply, and then) I pay $100 a date. Which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. Otherwise what's the point?

I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for $100 the girl has to like me. At $300 I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

Here is a normal reply I got today "100 is fine ..it helps even if it's not much. Care to meet to see if there's a connection?"

Here is one from last nite "Absolutely! Makes sense.(: Sounds like were on the same page (: And 100$ of course won't cover but it will help me pay my books! I'm attending a community college so itd be a great help..."

Here is the 100 is fine girl.. About a 8/8.5, AA, 20, 5'4'

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Thanks HWG. I did read about your methodology. Being the type of guy who does not like to talk much about himself I skipped certain parts of it and went straight to asking about their expectation $.

OK I will try and add the missing part.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2357362]Message a.

"Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar, that won't be me. That would be some less attractive, needy guy. And you will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them). And you'll probably need that just to tolerate them.

But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, better looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. ".

Wait for her reply.

Message b

(say something germain to her reply, and then) I pay $100 a date. Which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. Otherwise what's the point?

I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for $100 the girl has to like me. At $300 I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

here is a normal reply I got today "100 is fine ..it helps even if it's not much. Care to meet to sea if there's a connection?"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2357368]Thanks HWG. I did read about your methodology. Being the type of guy who does not like to talk much about himself I skipped certain parts of it and went straight to asking about their expectation $.

OK I will try and add the missing part.[/QUOTE]Of course you need to adjust the message to your style and needs. And even after all this I still have to send one more message detailing what will be expected for that $. As there are some that think it might be just for the M&G. So the direct approach I put it all in one message. What I pay and what I expect in return. This slow approach takes 5 total messages to get it all out. And sometimes I go off the script depending on the girl. But not completely. As it is a step by step process that elicits the response I need to segue into the next message/?. Normally in sales you want to ask a few softball questions that lead to an affirmative response before dropping the bombshell. So if someone says yes 4 times in a row. There is a 1 in 2 to 5 chance they will say yes to the final question depending on their rank. 7's say yes half the time. 8's a quarter of the time. 9's maybe 10% of the time. And 10's?. At a $ maybe never. LOL.

And this is for non-white non- asian girls only. If they are white or asian your percentages are going to be less. Also these percentages are only for girls that you are already in the process with. Not cold calling averages.

HollywoodGuy,

Would you advise using this methodology including $ per date with white MILF 35 yr? I can probably do $. 5 but will it just be a waste of time?

What amount for white women do you think will yield roughly the same results as $ does with AA / Latino?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2357395]Of course you need to adjust the message to your style and needs. And even after all this I still have to send one more message detailing what will be expected for that $. As there are some that think it might be just for the M&G. So the direct approach I put it all in one message. What I pay and what I expect in return. This slow approach takes 5 total messages to get it all out. And sometimes I go off the script depending on the girl. But not completely. As it is a step by step process that elicits the response I need to segue into the next message/?. Normally in sales you want to ask a few softball questions that lead to an affirmative response before dropping the bombshell. So if someone says yes 4 times in a row. There is a 1 in 2 to 5 chance they will say yes to the final question depending on their rank. 7's say yes half the time. 8's a quarter of the time. 9's maybe 10% of the time. And 10's?. At a $ maybe never. LOL.

And this is for non-white non- asian girls only. If they are white or asian your percentages are going to be less. Also these percentages are only for girls that you are already in the process with. Not cold calling averages.[/QUOTE]

All the women on SA say that they are not prostitutes and don't do pay for play as it makes them feel like prostitutes. I wonder how many guys on SA are looking for intellectual stimulation.

As George Bernard Shaw said "marriage is licensed prostitution" and so are these "arrangements" only difference is you make a different kind of "arrangement" with an escort.