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[QUOTE=TheBarbarian;3895356]Bro, I don't know if you think you're "sonning" me or need to excuse yourself I'm not trying to be rude but I've been hobbyist for roughly 7 years. Just made my way back to ATL but 90% of visits to Follies have been at night. I don't know where you would assume I need to avoid Follies, I'm a 6'4 black guy from St. Louis, I'm sure I'll blend in just fine and survive the night.
My PM works. My point is if you have girls that are going for $150, PM or post. Otherwise you're leaching off the community more than helping.
Obviously, the girl had a hustle saying only unattractive gals go for the standard rate.
I don't understand your response as there's no value or insight into.
I mean damn, I'll meet you at Follies, buy you a drink and you can show me the way. Haha.[/QUOTE]Welcome back to Atlanta. It seems like you're asking how to get the best bang for your buck at Follies VIP and we're trying to TELL you it's best during day shift. It's been that way since when you were here 5 to 6 years ago. It's been that way since over a decade I've been hitting up Follies. The only thing that's changed at Follies since then is more black and spanish girls and less white and asian girls.
Nobody's telling you to not go at night because it's "dangerous" LOL. But night shift has always sucked for VIP. Crowded party atmosphere making it rain and BS VIP rates. The girls working night shift know exactly what day shift VIP is like and are specifically working night shift to avoid that. So if you're going at night for VIP, you are going to be hard pressed to find a FS girl for less than 200 if you're not her regular.
150 to 200 for VIP is fine / more than enough for day shift VIP. Offer her your rate according to your 1 to 10 scale, and if she bawks then just move on to the next one. If she notices you getting dances, then she knows you're serious and have money to spend. The longer she takes to make up her mind, the higher chance she's going to lose your VIP money to someone else.
Just remember they need your money more than you need them in VIP. If it's the other way around, then you have some bigger problems to deal with my friend. LOL.
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[QUOTE=AguyNameddude;3896436]I'm not all that into the white chicks. Not to say I haven't or wouldn't partake, but that's just not what I'm typically aiming for (especially the overly petite ones) so maybe that's why there's some discrepancy on the prices. I personally have never gone over $200 and have almost always gotten the girl I wanted. But YMMV, happy hunting and good luck.[/QUOTE]Most chicks there will go for 200, however there are a few that require more. They generally are the ones that start out telling you they don't VIP. Once you become a regular with them and they begin to like you, things will change. Also, there is a pack order at Follies that you want to be aware of. If you fuck the wrong chick, you are 'assogned' A certain level, if you know what I mean. Watch who the girls interact with and over time if you go often enough you will see what I mean. Fucking one of the 'nasty' Girls as chastity put it, can ruin your chance with some of the top tier hoes there.
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[QUOTE=AguyNameddude;3896429]Okay, you're taking a seriously passive aggressive approach. I'm glad that you've been around awhile. I'm not trying to start a beef but I've got MORE THAN 7 years in. Hell, I've been on this forum for over 6 years, alone. (Damn I'm feeling old).
You asked a few questions and without naming names, I've answered to the best of my ability. The reason why I said the I, as in MYSELF, would avoid follies at night had nothing to do with safety or feeling threatened (which is what I gathered by you giving us your stats, LOL. Otherwise the reasons are unknown). For clarity, I'm a 6+ foot, heavily tattooed and heavily armed black man. But this is Atlanta. And as we all well know. None of that means anything. Almost EVERYONE is armed so I just treat everyone with respect and expect the same in return.
I avoid it at night because the crowd changes. It goes from mostly "hobbyists" or mongers during the day shift to mostly a money pit at night. The boyfriends show up, the guys just looking for a hangout are there, people are making it rain with lowered expectations on any kind of return, etc. There's more security and management (meaning less privacy and more eyes). And the girls' VIP prices skyrocket. If you're just going for a good time, then there are plenty of other places, most of which are more along the beaten path with just as hot (if not hotter) girls.
You'll get a higher return on your investment during the day shift. And shouldn't have to spend more than $150. $200 is the max. And I'm not just telling you this to sell you a wolf ticket. I get absolutely NOTHING out of this exchange other than to try and help. Hopefully, I have. If not then oh well.[/QUOTE]Rereading your post, I can see I misread and took some of what you said out of context once you clarified. But saying you can't hold someone's hand is a hoe comment to make when one of the many purposes of the forum is to share accurate and timely information. So when I'm trying to avoid being someone who runs the numbers up, and you provide a lame excuse to why you won't name names (sounds like cuffing) you could PM or describe the girls.
Nothing passive aggressive about my comments and response. Provide something legitimate or just lurk.
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Gold rush day time
[QUOTE=SgtLurker;3894393]If you can handle the weed and crack being smoked in the joint, sit in either corner in the back. No FS or oral there but a lot of other extras available.[/QUOTE]There is FS in GR. Far back left side of the bar. 2 offers where given and action was done. It's dark and off to the side so no viewing eyes. But this was in the day time early afternoon.
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[QUOTE=NewDude;3896916]Most chicks there will go for 200, however there are a few that require more. They generally are the ones that start out telling you they don't VIP. Once you become a regular with them and they begin to like you, things will change. Also, there is a pack order at Follies that you want to be aware of. If you fuck the wrong chick, you are 'assogned' A certain level, if you know what I mean. Watch who the girls interact with and over time if you go often enough you will see what I mean. Fucking one of the 'nasty' Girls as chastity put it, can ruin your chance with some of the top tier hoes there.[/QUOTE]Sounds legit. Good advice!
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[QUOTE=OutTher;3896960]There is FS in GR. Far back left side of the bar. 2 offers where given and action was done. It's dark and off to the side so no viewing eyes. But this was in the day time early afternoon.[/QUOTE]I started at follies but eventually graduated to clubs with lower mileage chicks. GR is one of my reliable spots for Uhm dances and take out. Follies is basically a low quality brothel at this time. You guys should branch out and get some of quality black spinners OZY is always talking about. They are out there for the taking.
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[QUOTE=NewDude;3896093]The higher quality girls are all priced at 200-250. Most guys on here go after the busted white chicks there who are 6's at best. A couple years ago there were decent looking white girls but now it's just bottom of the barrel. For example, the girl lucky that guys were hunting for a few weeks ago is 6 with one of the stinkiest pussies in the club. She's white so they don't care because they're short on supply right now. 7's and up are going to hit you for at least 200.[/QUOTE]The $200/$250 only works if you guys pay the ransom. If you are a regular, you just tell them you know the club rule, and pay the manager, not the girl. They'll go for the $150 because they don't want mgmt involved. Then it's up to you to tip. I always leave the tip possibility on the table, and do so if she is worth it.
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OK, so you spend $200 for 15-20 minutes with a quality girl. Ask yourself, is she worth $600-$800/ hour? You can get virtually ANY super high quality pro, in a private place for 2+ hours and multiple pops for that.
As I've said before, if you guys are desperate to pay, then all you are doing is setting a higher floor. Before long, these girls will be at $250 and the bottom feeders will be at $200.
A much better approach is to only agree to the $152, and tell them that if they think they are worth $200, they need to earn the $48 tip. That will keep the price in check and make you feel better about spending extra because she was actually worth it. Earning the tip means more time and an amazing f*.
[QUOTE=TheBarbarian;3894941]So I'm just getting my feet wet as I've just moved back near ATL so I don't have the Follies experience I once had 5-6 years ago.
I'll say this I've gone 3 times in the last month. Two day shifts, one night.
I willingly overpaid my first VIP at $200. I received about 6 free & great lap dances before and a BBBJ and CFS. To add the girl was no shit hot on anybody's scale.
Did I get got, maybe to some to me no. Did I fuck up the pricing, maybe. Maybe not.
I actually took Chasity to VIP. She wouldn't leave me alone. We did the deed for $180 total.
I told her all I had, and it was early and the place wasn't packed yet. Eventually she took it. My only regret was I wasn't patient.
When I told her, in my "confident" voice I always do $150 she said yea, some girls do that but you're not going to find quality with that.
My question to you all who are claiming to be getting it for $150. Name names. Where's the list? Post or PM.
Because like most of you, I'm tall, extremely well built and handsome. Every girl I've discussed VIP, all of them I would say are 7 or better. None have quoted $152. And yes I understand why but also there's a sentiment of like if you want to spend $152, go ask the piece of hot garbage across the room who is a 5. I'm just saying.
Also, I have not seen any quality escorts for a price less than $200 in my short time here. So again, just all ears to hear respectful counters to what I'm saying so I can hunt for the dancers who charge $152.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
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Makes sense but.
[QUOTE=Sasay1960;3898097]OK, so you spend $200 for 15-20 minutes with a quality girl. Ask yourself, is she worth $600-$800/ hour? You can get virtually ANY super high quality pro, in a private place for 2+ hours and multiple pops for that.
As I've said before, if you guys are desperate to pay, then all you are doing is setting a higher floor. Before long, these girls will be at $250 and the bottom feeders will be at $200.
A much better approach is to only agree to the $152, and tell them that if they think they are worth $200, they need to earn the $48 tip. That will keep the price in check and make you feel better about spending extra because she was actually worth it. Earning the tip means more time and an amazing f*.[/QUOTE]I hear what you're saying and understand your logic and break down in numbers. In fact, I'll use that line because it's hilarious.
A point I do want to make is, if the $152 price range exists, gentlemen, share the information of who does what for said price through PM or post.
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Follies
[QUOTE=Sasay1960;3898088]The $200/$250 only works if you guys pay the ransom. If you are a regular, you just tell them you know the club rule, and pay the manager, not the girl. They'll go for the $150 because they don't want mgmt involved. Then it's up to you to tip. I always leave the tip possibility on the table, and do so if she is worth it.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you Sasay. I say tip can be had for exemplary service, which motivates many to swallow my load and other perks.
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[QUOTE=TheBarbarian;3898504]I hear what you're saying and understand your logic and break down in numbers. In fact, I'll use that line because it's hilarious.
A point I do want to make is, if the $152 price range exists, gentlemen, share the information of who does what for said price through PM or post.[/QUOTE]I'm with TheBarbarian on this. I would love a PM or post of who I can get for $152. I have had no luck so far getting it for under $250 but will take a different approach when I go there next week.
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[QUOTE=TheBarbarian;3898504]I hear what you're saying and understand your logic and break down in numbers. In fact, I'll use that line because it's hilarious.
A point I do want to make is, if the $152 price range exists, gentlemen, share the information of who does what for said price through PM or post.[/QUOTE]The point is you don't NEED any names. Go mid day and put your freaking foot down. Don't be afraid to pass on them If they ask too much. This is not rocket science. WE set the price not them. Sometimes they still come back and agree on your price anyway. Grab ya nuts fellas sheesh.
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Exactly! I have never given a penny over 152 in there, and I've knocked down some high quality chicks over the years. One time (recently) this girl told me 200 and I laughed in her face and replied 152! Guess what she said, come on lets golmao. If they sense you don't know what's up they will take advantage.
[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3898961]The point is you don't NEED any names. Go mid day and put your freaking foot down. Don't be afraid to pass on them If they ask too much. This is not rocket science. WE set the price not them. Sometimes they still come back and agree on your price anyway. Grab ya nuts fellas sheesh.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=GameTime30;3899049]If they sense you don't know what's up they will take advantage.[/QUOTE]Exactly. They will get you all hyped up like a kid in a candy store. If they get you all excited and they feel you "don't know what's up", they will try to milk you for what they think they can get. With any other deal in life, if you want to be in the drivers seat, you must be willing to walk away. Act like a regular who can take it or leave it and who can't be played. Ask them what days they work so you can see them again. If they think you would be good for repeat business, that is also a plus. But, you have the pesos, so you have the upper hand. If they can get you all hyped up and thinking with the little head, then they have the upper hand. Don't let them think they have the upper hand.
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[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3898961]The point is you don't NEED any names. Go mid day and put your freaking foot down. Don't be afraid to pass on them If they ask too much. This is not rocket science. WE set the price not them. Sometimes they still come back and agree on your price anyway. Grab ya nuts fellas sheesh.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GameTime30;3899049]Exactly! I have never given a penny over 152 in there, and I've knocked down some high quality chicks over the years. One time (recently) this girl told me 200 and I laughed in her face and replied 152! Guess what she said, come on lets golmao. If they sense you don't know what's up they will take advantage.[/QUOTE]It's not about passing on girls (I have).
It not about putting your foot down (I have).
I've always paid what I wanted, never felt like "damn, she got me".
But we've reached a point in the conversation where I'm asking you guys to back up what you're saying by providing a name and price through post or pm because I'm not saying Follies doesn't have some 5's or 6's giving it up for $1. 5 but I am saying the girls who know they are on demand are not going that low.
I think is reasonable, if you call yourself a seasoned Follies negotiator, who gets what they want for $1. 5 to say x,why, z girl goes $1. 5, I know because I have done it this month or that month.
I think what I'm asking for is fair, otherwise let's move on from the conversation.