"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

January started out rough and was filled with drama early on. Towards the latter end of the month, things have smoothed out and I am hopeful that I can coast through the winter and into the spring. Then again, I thought that would be the case last month. Top line summary. I ended up going over budget again this month by about $300. But again, I attribute this to all the additional and extra costs that go into rebuilding a rotation (e. G. Extending my SA membership by another month, larger volume of M&Gs, larger and more expensive up front dating costs to get pots to the FC, etc.). I am again hopeful that these costs will go down over time. And don't plan on making the same mistakes I did last month (e. G. Over-sharing too many details over this forum, etc.).

As a recap, my entire SB rotation from December was decimated. Not necessarily a bad thing though since it forced me to get back into the game and I've updated my rotation with a totally new and fresh team. I am ending January with 3 new SBs in my rotation, and 2 pots who have committed to joining me in a trip to the FC. I probably sent out close to 125-150 messages this month which resulted in about 20-25 pots that I had been going back and forth with. That resulted in about 10 M&Gs in Jan. Of the 10 pots I had M&G's with, I closed the deal with 3, for a total of 4 trips to the FC this month. Of the remaining 6 that I was not able to close the deal with, 4 have gone completely dark. And the remaining 2 keep texting and e-mailing, but appear to not need the sugar enough yet. I have found that the advice on the board is both true to form and very accurate. After leaving 2 of the 3 SBs well satisfied after trips to the FC, they are both very very eager for more. At this point finding the time and managing my budget are the main issues for me right now.

SB # 6 is a 8 face, 8 body, and 7 in bed. There are certain activities she just won't engage in, but they are well offset by the things she does. Which she does oh so well. We went to the FC twice this month, with plans to meet again in Feb. She is a dance instructor, and her ability to move her hips, makes it very hard for me to turn down her date requests.

SB # 7 is a 7 face, 8 body, and 7 in bed. Most activities are on the table, but she just isn't into it. Very sweet young lady, but its clear that she's in it for the financial assistance and less for the experiences I can offer to her behind closed doors. We've been to the FC once this month, and she has been requesting another meet up. My schedule this month is more than overloaded, but she is on my shortlist to call if I need relief in a pinch.

SB # 8 is a 7 face, 8 body, and 9 in bed. Most activities appear to be on the table. And I'll be interested to see if I am given an all access pass within the next month or so. Wish she was cuter, but no complaints from me since she is a dynamo behind closed doors. We have set plans to meet later in Feb.

As a preview of February, I've received messages out of the blue from about 8 pots I had messaged back in Dec. And Jan. Not sure if these are babies that are at the end of their life-cycle with their existing daddy. But I've definitely noticed a pickup in activity on my end with lots more messages being responded to. And even responses to messages that I sent back during my first week after joining. I am very hopeful that the 2 pots who have agreed to a trip to the FC come through. One is the latina college pot, who can host, is a gymnist and is requesting a minimal allowance. I may clear my bench to make room for her if it all comes together.

I've been very strict with my policy of an allowance that ranges between $ - $$. I'm much more forgiving with dating costs though since I get to enjoy the meals, restaurants, and hotels as well. My average per trip to the FC this month is averaging about $$$ I've made it clear that the nicer the hotel and the restaurant, the smaller the allowance. This gives the SB the ability to choose what she wants. If she wants a nicer "date" then she's getting a smaller allowance.

We'll see if any of the new leads that came in towards the end of Jan / early Feb. result in additions to my rotation. Also, although I have quite a few e-mail addresses and phone numbers, I've decided that they probably won't give me much to work with since most of the numbers and e-mail addresses belong to pots who have gone dark on me. Then again, who knows, maybe it will be like the hundreds of messages I've sent out on SA, with a few coming back with responses when they find the resolve to make it to a M&G, need the sugar, or get dropped by their current daddy.

Time will tell. In the meantime though, good luck to all the players in the bowl! The ride is fun. And there is nothing like finding an oilslick between a young girl's legs as she is begging you to slip inside of her.

Happy hunting ladies and gents!

The fish.

Has anybody had trouble accessing the "old" format for SA? The CO rep says there is a button on the page but I can no longer find it. It was there a week ago.

Got my 9/9 40 yr old MILF but bedtime action is 6 to 7 best. If she would ramp it up I would want to keep her but I am looking for a fiery performer. I would take a 6/8+/9 any day over a 9/9/6.

Sadly I cannot date so I am limited to UTRs. I really don't want to risk LE threats so don't want the BP routine although it is tempting.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2354777]Has anybody had trouble accessing the "old" format for SA? The CO rep says there is a button on the page but I can no longer find it. It was there a week ago.

Got my 9/9 40 yr old MILF but bedtime action is 6 to 7 best. If she would ramp it up I would want to keep her but I am looking for a fiery performer. I would take a 6/8+/9 any day over a 9/9/6.

Sadly I cannot date so I am limited to UTRs. I really don't want to risk LE threats so don't want the BP routine although it is tempting.[/QUOTE]The old format button is gone. However, you can access it by using ww2. [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL] Everything still works.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2354777]Got my 9/9 40 yr old MILF but bedtime action is 6 to 7 best. If she would ramp it up I would want to keep her but I am looking for a fiery performer. I would take a 6/8+/9 any day over a 9/9/6.[/QUOTE]I agree. I got caught up more than once with model quality girls with "less than" skills.

I am not patting myself on the back, because I don't need to. LOL. But that 4 step messaging system I started using is amazing. Each message dovetails perfectly to the next one. The biggest problem is holding back. On the time between messages that is. To avoid suspicion that's its a copy and paste. Of course I make slight modifications depending on the reply. And you can modify the donation amounts to suit your needs. But this thing works like a charm. No bull. I won't bore you with the number of acceptance letters I am getting at a $. And mostly they are 7's. So crank it up to $.5 to get an 8 and $$ to get a 9. I even encourage seniors to try this as it is a huge time saver.

I'm getting some request from SB's requesting a photo immediately. Now my practice as of right now is the email system.

If they request the photo, I simply ask for an email. But I think I may have lost a few potentials due to this method. I was.

Thinking about upload loading a photo and place it private. Maybe this would help, what method are you guys currently using?

It's a sugar daddy / sugar baby website. There are a few of them. Some members of the forum use it, some use others. A quick read of the forum will help identify which sites various forum members like over others. Based on exchanges, it sounds like some sites are better, or worse, depending on your particular location.

[QUOTE=LetHerGo;2354462]Someone help me out not new but what is SA? Have not been on here much lately do to moving out of state.[/QUOTE]

I generally only use email or text. I've experienced the same. The upside is that by not using the site, you are more likely to get direct contact info. If you use the private pic feature, then you're beholden to the monthly membership fee if you want to keep communicating with a pot and your membership expires.

Not a huge expense, but if you're juggling multiple sbs in a rotation, every few dollars count. Or at least that's my perspective. One month of SA or an extra bottle of wine at dinner with your favorite SB or a pot you're trying to get to the FC?

I've also found that getting personal contact info often yields valuable Intel, like if a pot has a Facebook page or Twitter account where she is ranting about how her last daddy was a jerk and how she is going to post his pics on her fb page. Yes, I actually found that Intel after getting an email address...needless to say, I went dark and did not respond to her requests for my pictures after finding out that info.

As for missed opportunities. There are new pots joining all the sites every day, if one or two won't comply with the rules you establish, there are five more that will join tomorrow who will.

[QUOTE=Falar;2355506]I'm getting some request from SB's requesting a photo immediately. Now my practice as of right now is the email system.

If they request the photo, I simply ask for an email. But I think I may have lost a few potentials due to this method. I was.

Thinking about upload loading a photo and place it private. Maybe this would help, what method are you guys currently using?[/QUOTE]

I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?

Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2355760]I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?
[/QUOTE]The girls I've known never bring it up. The few times I've brought it up before the deed was done, it ended up working to my disadvantage. I just gift them after the deed is done.

It depends, lots of folks prefer email. I prefer not bringing it up until the m&g or until after the m&g. In my humble opinion, a lady is much more likely to be open to a reasonable allowance if you have chemistry and she likes you. So for example, if a pot wanted an allowance of $5000 a month, and you send her an email telling her that you're willing to give her an allowance of $100 per date, its possible you never get to the m&g.

On the other hand, I've found that if you get to the m&g, have chemistry, make a pot laugh, and turn up the charm, a young lady is much more likely to be willing to accept an allowance that she wouldn't have otherwise considered.

If they can see themselves dating you outside of SA, you treat a pot respectfully, can make them laugh and turn up the charm, a lot of the ladies I have been able to seal the deal with probably see the sugar as a nice extra.

I've also messaged more than my fair share of ladies who required the allowance discussion via email or text prior to the m&g. In each case, I never made it to the m&g because the difference in expectations was too far apart. On the other hand I am batting about 60 - 70 on my ratio of m&g to the FC.

I'm sure there are a variety of different factors involved, but based on my experience, once a lady meets you, realizes that you're not a total creep, it makes it much easier to take things to the next level.

That all being said, establishing expectations up front saves money on the m&g, while also saving time and effort.

I guess its really a matter of preference and style.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2355760]I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?

Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2355760]I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?

Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.[/QUOTE]JL is unique and must be date worthy for these babies (picture brad Pitt) Most of the experiences I have had --and I've had a few, have worked out better if you know what to expect up front. In fact, I have a negotiation going right now as we speak. She stated that she wants to know up front what her allowance is. So I will let you know how it works out. Unless you are an uber generous tipper, and I mean $300 up per visit, you run the risk of having a pissed off or disappointed Baby. My ATF 19 yr old is a case in point. We never discussed money. She came to my apartment and we ended up having the most energetic sex of my career. I dropped $200 in her purse and took her home. When I called her for a 2nd date she said her goal was $800 for her years books for school. I explained that 3 more times together and she had it banked, but she did not see it that way. Words were exchanged -tightwad and asshole featured prominently in the tirade. You do not want an angry girl hunting you down. So get it straight up front. The good news is I got to bang an incredibly hot girl who would never have come for $$ had she known in advance.

I find the simple statement "what is your expectation for an allowance? " works fine. A lot will come back "well what do you pay? " I then tell them my low number. Usually they will then give their high number. So you know somewhere in between you have a deal. When you meet you have the hard part worked out and you can just have fun.

One good thing about meeting first is, if you are extremely appealing to her, she will think that the lower price is worth banging you.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2355958]One good thing about meeting first is, if you are extremely appealing to her, she will think that the lower price is worth banging you.[/QUOTE]I don't think I have too many confidence issues, especially in the FC. I just don't like too much mystery. And a one time bang with a hottie is cool, but I like to put my cards on the table. I would rather offer a $ for a HJ and then work my magic in the FC to get what I really want. And I usually do. But even if I don't there are no hard feelings afterward. And I still get to play with a naked girl, lol.

I have gone back and forth on this and have had success (and failure) both ways. I find a lot of times if I ask them for their expectations I don't get a straight answer, and when I do it's ridiculous. At that point it's difficult to get her down off the limb to a sane amount. If they don't give me a number then I throw mine out, if its not in her range I politely disengage. I have had a couple re-think things after that and come back to my number.

Currently I am throwing out my number in the first letter up front. I have a good regular SB, so there's no sense of urgency on my part to add another, so I"m saving time and effort by getting that on the table off the bat. I have had a pretty good response rate to my number lately (which is 120), with good quality.

I think the other part of the question was sugar for the M&G, and I never, ever do that. I declined to give a 22 year old, petite, white, self identified "little" $80 for a M&G a couple of weeks ago because she said no play on the first date. I did break a rule recently and give some sugar to a girl on our second date which included a good kissing / petting session but no sex. Normally I would never do that but she is 25, white, spinner body, great personality, great kisser, lives close, has a car and a job, 7/8/9/ and I see her as potential long term ATF material. We are going on our third date soon and she knows I expect the next level. If that happens it was a good investment, if not, hey, sometimes you have to speculate.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2355958]JL is unique and must be date worthy for these babies (picture brad Pitt) [/QUOTE]Yes perhaps on unique for this forum, definite no on looking like Brad Pitt.

What's unique about my situation is that I typically take them on an actual date first, which helps get them in the mood a bit. It's not the most cost effective method, but it works. I'm not yet 60 and may not be able to pull off the same level of success with 20 year olds when I am, but doing so with 30-35 year olds at age 60+ is perfectly feasible and some of those are the best fucks anyway.

I think part of my success is I know my strengths and limitations and work each to their best advantage. When I'm 60, if I still want to fuck 20 year olds then I'm probably going to be limited to UTRs and such. I pick and choose the POTs that I'm willing to actually M&G with very carefully. My methods would not work in bulk. Quality over quantity.

But to be clear, I'm definitely not suggesting my methods will work for everyone. Just one man's experiences. I always try to disclose that I do not do this full-time, so when I do it, I budget for full-on dating in order to make the most of my limited time away from the SO.