"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

One of the things that has always drawn me to this forum was a sense of civil discourse. All you have to do is review any of the more active forums in the major populations centers and you will be assaulted by some really mean commentary.

I see this forum treading towards uncivil discourse. And that is unfortunate. Do people go on tangents that I find uninteresting? They sure do. Do I usually feel the need to comment on the quality of the posts. No!

I would argue that useful info, bragging, horror stories, philosophical discussions, and words of wisdom all have a place within this forum.

SubCmdr out

Thank you, GC, for putting so much thought into your comment. I would claim that I've been reflecting on my own reply for the past two days, but in all honesty (intellectual and otherwise) I haven't been on the board since my last post.

Some of what I would have said in reply has already been voiced by SubCmdr, so there's no need to repeat it. I will grant that I could have handled the conversation in a more chivalrous manner, but I ask you to reconsider your implication that I am mean spirited and am not a gentleman. Were this the 18th century I might throw my glove at your feet and challenge you to a duel to uphold my honor, but in our circumstances that is highly impractical and (let's face it) rather childish.

I agree that my answer was a slap in the face. It was not intended primarily to hurt or punish, however, but rather to be a "wake-up call." I do (still) like her immensely, want her to be happy and successful in life, and have never said / texted a cross word to her other than that final message. I would like to think that, once she gets past the hurt, she will recognize that she must have crossed a very important line to have drawn a response so cold and "mean spirited."

Again, thank you for the thoughtful and thought provoking response (and to you, SubCmdr, for providing another well-reasoned perspective).

Dr. Feelgood.

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1560583]I've considered and reconsidered this post before sending it.

FeelGoodMD has what he calls his first and favorite SB. This speaks volumes considering what happened.

She moved away to attend grad school. He should want that for her.

There was to be a second trip just to see him. His words not mine. Kudos that without being asked he offered to give her the usual plus $. She countered $$ extra saying,"I need the usual plus $$ to come down."

This is where things went south. Deciding to burn the bridge (as he termed it) he sent her the most demeaning and mean-spirited message of all, his words, not mine.

A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.

Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1562513]One of the things that has always drawn me to this forum was a sense of civil discourse. All you have to do is review any of the more active forums in the major populations centers and you will be assaulted by some really mean commentary.

I see this forum treading towards uncivil discourse. And that is unfortunate. I would argue that useful info, bragging, horror stories, philosophical discussions, and words of wisdom all have a place within this forum.

SubCmdr out[/QUOTE]There is always knowledge to be gained. The majority of us are playing at a higher level, I believe, and so let us put aside our petty differences and re-commit ourselves to focusing on what makes this thread special. If anyone wants to fight, take that shit outside.

Scott

Ok so my ATF perfect little sb, got a bit possessive. You heard the story. And during that exploration trip of her. She found one (SD) she wanted toy meet. So I said "go ahead make my day" as you humans like to say.

The closer it came to the day, the less enthused she became, but she did meet him. End of the story was. She did not enjoy herself, but was happy with the amount of sugar she got, it was more for the 4 hours with him than she got from me in total for the last 7 months. This proves my previous quote. An ATF does not have to cost an arms and a leg, perhaps not even a rib.

What are some of a SD's worst nightmares? Being outed. STDs. Blackmail. And there certainly are countless others.

But what about getting sick? I met my 18yo HYB (and current favorite) more than a week ago for a movie. We both felt a little under the weather with colds, so we thought a movie was the best way to see each other while avoiding any significant contact. Well, I'm sad to say I lost my self control, and we ended up at a hotel afterward, where there actually was quite a bit of physical contact. Amazing physical contact. Physical contact in all kinds of positions.

Within a couple days, though, she was feeling worse, so much so that she went to the doctor. They ran all kinds of tests, including for strep throat and mono. Now, I'm home from work and not feeling so great.

I can explain strep throat. It's not so common for adults (I've not had it since I was a kid), but it's not outside the realm of possibilities. But mono? How in the world would I ever explain that?

I went to the doc yesterday and was prescribed something to make me feel better while I await my own test results. Keep your fingers crossed for me, gents.

I've been reminded of a valuable lesson here: Sometimes it costs dearly when you lose self control.

Regards,

Joe

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1563083]What are some of a SD's worst nightmares? Being outed. STDs. Blackmail. And there certainly are countless others.

I can explain strep throat. It's not so common for adults (I've not had it since I was a kid) , but it's not outside the realm of possibilities. But mono? How in the world would I ever explain that?

Joe[/QUOTE]Why the need to explain. You come in contact with others don't you?

Best explanation if asked "pffffff hell I wish I knew. I don't want this. Sad face"

My last post in this thread was a bit callous. I enjoyed reading about HG's escapades, he certainly has way more cajones than I do. What threw me off and made me write that post was the lead in with "Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics." Then telling one incredible story, that most in this thread will never have the opportunity to experience. That 'sounds' like bragging to me. As usual your interpretation may differ.

Gentlemen,

I just learned an amazing thing: in my area, Chicago, within a 50 mile radius of my zipcode, there are 917 registered SDs on SA, and - wait for it - 5801 registered SBs! It boggles the mind! Now certainly there are inactive or dormant profiles in both of those numbers, but still! That's six babies for every daddy, and that's just in a 50 mile radius.

I'm not sure at all what to make of this, or to do with this fact, but there has to be something that will benefit me.

Scott

Interesting fact.

How many of SBs are GPS (stating 3k / mth or above in my mind)? In S. California, seems that there are quite a lot of GPS, so can't count them.

Happy hunting, Scotty!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1563312]Gentlemen,

I just learned an amazing thing: in my area, Chicago, within a 50 mile radius of my zipcode, there are 917 registered SDs on SA, and. Wait for it. 5801 registered SBs! It boggles the mind! Now certainly there are inactive or dormant profiles in both of those numbers, but still! That's six babies for every daddy, and that's just in a 50 mile radius.

I'm not sure at all what to make of this, or to do with this fact, but there has to be something that will benefit me.

Scott[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dog Rice; 1563331]Interesting fact.

How many of SBs are GPS (stating 3k / mth or above in my mind)?[/QUOTE]I don't think it matters, honestly. Let's say that 1/3 of them are suffering from GPS, so roughly 1900 of them. Even if every registered daddy were willing to pay 3K a month, which of course we aren't, that still leaves about 900 babies out in the cold. What this ratio says to me is be patient, stick to your guns in terms of your sugar comfort level, and don't slam the door in any baby's face. They may very well come back and contact you again; there's just no way they all are getting snapped up. Plus, if the babies I talk to are telling the truth, a good portion of those 917 daddies are jerks, creeps, liars and perverts (you know who you are), which is good for us remaining normal ones.

With great power comes great responsibility, however, so be polite.

Scott

F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;1563372]F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.[/QUOTE]The same appears to be true in metro Detroit; a lot of the girls haven't logged on in quite a while. Then, there are the girls who create an account, log on for the first couple of days, and then don't log on ever again. I skip them as well.

Still, the numbers definitely are in our favor. Even if it's closer to 3 or 4 to one, the number of sane guys seems to be limited, too. I've had a number of pots tell me horror stories of guys who just seem to be creepy from the first contact. And if a guy passes the e-mail / text test and they have a M&G, I've had pots tell me that they are creepers at the M&G. Just goes to show that if you're reasonably sane, clean, and a gentleman, the world is your oyster.

UPDATE on my sickness issue: No mono for HYB, so I'm in the clear. Thanks for the replies to my earlier post. My concern was that, because my wife works in the medical field, she would realize the risk of anonymous transmission is low. But now I don't have to worry about that.

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;1563372]F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.[/QUOTE]I created a fake baby profile. On SA, babies can join for free, but their searching abilities are limited to "members near me", apparently. They can read their messages, though, so as an additional bit of info, I got over 50 contacts in the first two days, almost all of them well written and thoughtful. Some of them are pure bs, obviously, but it let me know that a generic "hey baby, ur hot" is not going to cut it, which has never been my style, but I do get lazy from time to time.

For my local brothers, my baby name is Mindi, so don't bother to contact me, you're not my type!

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;1563372]F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.[/QUOTE]CWL (and other interested parties) ,

I created a fake SB profile for Richmond, as Scott did for Chicago. The magic number:

161 Sugar Daddies registered in Richmond. 68 of whom have logged in over the past 30 days. Unfortunately, that closes our gap to about a 3:1 ratio here in RVA (if you apply the 30 day standard) , but still the numbers are in the Daddy's favor.

And don't worry, I made my profile unsearchable to keep my fellow sugar bowlers from wasting their time.

Dr Feelgood

[QUOTE=F Scott;1563403]I got over 50 contacts in the first two days, almost all of them well written and thoughtful. Some of them are pure bs, obviously, but it let me know that a generic "hey baby, ur hot" is not going to cut it, which has never been my style, but I do get lazy from time to time.[/QUOTE]Scott,

Very interesting research and right in my line of thinking when it comes to quantitative data. Could the number of responses be due to the fact your profile is new? I wonder if your contacts will fall off as time goes on? I see the same SB's logging in month after month. Makes me think, either they are not successful or variety is just as important to them as to us. (You have explored that theory in the past)

I've had good response with very simple messages to the local babies. This is straight marketing (Shout Out to Hollywood Guy for this insight). Initial message gets them to read your profile. Your profile generates the response. I have also had great response when I'm traveling. I use a different message. The babies love a traveling SD! I have experimented with setting my profile city in a different one from where I live and then tested the response rate. It dramatically increased for me. I have found there is a geographical difference in quality type and average requested sugar amounts for the Sugar Babies in each area. Guy Woodson is the master of Traveling SD tactics. GW big ups to you man! Got to give you your props there!

SubCmdr Out

[QUOTE=Dog Rice; 1563331]Interesting fact.

How many of SBs are GPS (stating 3k / mth or above in my mind)? In S. California, seems that there are quite a lot of GPS, so can't count them.

Happy hunting, Scotty![/QUOTE]Ok over the years I found out that of the profiles about 50% are desperate, they need rent $, cell $, are behind in bills, have a car that needs to be fixed, they need to move out of their parents house etc.

Then about 20. 25 % have GPS (and yes I met a few of them, and yes after 5- 6 months they still think they will get it)

Then another 25. 20% are realistic.

And then the final 5% are the real ones, who are better than realistic, the ones you can keep on for months, in a few occasions a few years because they just want a 'kind of husband w / o the hassles' a 'kind of be / f w / o the hassles' they don't even need $/visit, they just want some attention, good sex and not pay when you take them out, a dn the occasional flowers, card and small gifts

At least that is what I found in the midwest here.

At the same time there are sd's who pay $500. $1, 000 / visit. I have seen it happen. And yes that sb came back to me and said. 'wow that was nice but I want you, and NO I will never expect that from you"

I suspected you had done the fake-baby-profile. So I did one, and can report the matching male numbers:

For Richmond VA metro (50-mile radius) :

SBs: 1007 total. 248 "active" (has logged in in the last 30 days)

SDs: 166 total. 77 "active"

So almost half of the SDs are active while only a quarter of the babies are, but there's still a little over 3 currently-active SBs for each active SD. More, this indicates that the turnover rate on SBs is about twice as high for SDs, so if you're patient, a lot more than 3 SBs will pass across your plate.

I also think it's interesting that we're seeing some level of consistency across different metro areas. That makes sense statistically, but it still surprises me a bit...

SA actually claims that there is a 10:1 ratio of F to M but they just calculate that on gross numbers. 30 days is a long time and I actually look at 2 weeks as a viable activity level. What you have to consider is that many of the girls who are not checking their profiles are in relationships with a daddy and are not active until they break up with their SD. So many of them will eventually be back live.

After 2 weeks of working Ashley Madison I have a live one on the line. Since I broke up with my ATF I have not gotten my pipes cleaned out so I need to get a regular. She is a MILF and elderly by my Stds. 32 yrs old with 2 kids. She is available every other weekend so hopefully I will have that option. She is a slender Asian, so that will be a first for me. We shall see. The good news is that she might actually be free and not requiring an allowance.

On SDFM I found a scammer. It brings back the not so fond memories of the Nando 1s. She said that she was available Mon night, but Oh gosh, she suddenly has to work so if I could only send her some money to pay off the replacement. So funny! I'm older and wiser and blew her off.

Nando, I tend to agree with you on the 2-weeks timeframe, but decided to be a little generous. If we stick with the 2-week timeframe instead, the numbers (as of this morning) change to:

SB: 1013/124.

SD: 168/46.

This skews the "active / active" ratio a little more towards the babies.

I've also noticed a recent trend in the new profiles of younger ladies (under around 25 or so) from my area: more and more are plainly stating something to the effect of "absolutely no sex or intimacy. I just want you to take me out and spend money on me." My gut says these "ultimate GPS" girls aren't finding what they're looking for (I notice one that has been on over a year and has logged on every few days, so she appears to still be looking) but I could be wrong.

Congrats on the AM find. I've never found *anything* but fake profiles and shills there; it's good to hear confirmation that real ladies can be found there.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1563892]After 2 weeks of working Ashley Madison I have a live one on the line. Since I broke up with my ATF I have not gotten my pipes cleaned out so I need to get a regular. She is a MILF and elderly by my Stds. 32 yrs old with 2 kids. She is available every other weekend so hopefully I will have that option. She is a slender Asian, so that will be a first for me. We shall see. The good news is that she might actually be free and not requiring an allowance.[/QUOTE]Tell us more about Ashley Madison, Hernando. Do you use the same strategies you use on SA / SDFM? I've found that site to be full of more fakes that real profiles.

I've seen some odd profiles, but this one is definitely the weirdest. #1205345.

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[QUOTE=F Scott;1563403]For my local brothers, my baby name is Mindi, so don't bother to contact me, you're not my type![/QUOTE]Mindi with an "I"? Obviously a nando 1!

Strict

I did Ashley Madison about a year or two ago and found it a complete waste of time and money. I only ever got ONE legit response and she just wanted to chat with guys online, nothing serious. I also tried Adult Friend Finder and found it a complete waste of time with 100% spam and scammers all trying to get me to pay for their cam shows. It wasn't until I hit the sugar daddy sites that I found some real success. Night and day.

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;1563931]I've also noticed a recent trend in the new profiles of younger ladies (under around 25 or so) from my area: more and more are plainly stating something to the effect of "absolutely no sex or intimacy. I just want you to take me out and spend money on me." My gut says these "ultimate GPS" girls aren't finding what they're looking for (I notice one that has been on over a year and has logged on every few days, so she appears to still be looking) but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]Also be careful with girls who list themselves as 18 or 19 on SA. There's a possibility they could be under-aged, especially if they say "no sex". Anytime I'm corresponding with a 18 year-old, I try to do a background check to make sure they really are 18. If I can't dig out enough info, I flat out ask for their Facebook profile. Unlike with escorts, AMPs, and etc, the sugar lifestyle is pretty much risk free from LE. However the exception is you can wind up in very serious trouble if you're careless and end up playing with an under-aged SB.

Anyway yes, despite all the publicity to sugar daddy sites recently, if anything it's only attracted more babies. It' s a good time to be a daddy.

Hey all. I found this forum via a google search on A. Maddie. I'm a fellow hobbyist from Charlotte. I have a few post there. I was wondering if the site was legit or not. From reading your forum I mught consider the sd sites as an option. Do they allow you to sign up with a prepaid visa?

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1563892]SA actually claims that there is a 10:1 ratio of F to M but they just calculate that on gross numbers. 30 days is a long time and I actually look at 2 weeks as a viable activity level. What you have to consider is that many of the girls who are not checking their profiles are in relationships with a daddy and are not active until they break up with their SD. So many of them will eventually be back live.

After 2 weeks of working Ashley Madison I have a live one on the line. Since I broke up with my ATF I have not gotten my pipes cleaned out so I need to get a regular. She is a MILF and elderly by my Stds. 32 yrs old with 2 kids. She is available every other weekend so hopefully I will have that option. She is a slender Asian, so that will be a first for me. We shall see. The good news is that she might actually be free and not requiring an allowance.

On SDFM I found a scammer. It brings back the not so fond memories of the Nando 1s. She said that she was available Mon night, but Oh gosh, she suddenly has to work so if I could only send her some money to pay off the replacement. So funny! I'm older and wiser and blew her off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Strict; 1564113]Mindi with an "I"? Obviously a nando 1!

Strict[/QUOTE]If U send me moneee to get my brakes fixed, I can come to meet U!

No, rully!

I find that site to be a waste of time and money.

The men outnumber the women 100-1.

New female profiles get 200 emails from men in 24 hours. So, if you are ultra attractive, and willing to share some kind of photo. You might have a chance.

I also feel like someone is creating a ton of fake profiles of hot women. I will not speculate why someone creates all the fake profiles. (too good to be true) My guess is to inflate the activity on the site for membership revewals.

There are some SB's on AM but most profiles seem to be fake. I traded emails with a few SB's on there and they were all using fake photos so I never met anyone. You can just tell when photos are fake.

[QUOTE=BillyDeeJr;1564168]Hey all. I found this forum via a google search on A. Maddie. I'm a fellow hobbyist from Charlotte. I have a few post there. I was wondering if the site was legit or not. From reading your forum I mught consider the sd sites as an option. Do they allow you to sign up with a prepaid visa?[/QUOTE]

Wow. A week of not paying attention, and look what happens. Four pages of intercourse. LOL.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1558633]I am not judging anyone. I am not attacking anyone. I just expressed an opinion and I'm just trying to understand. I asked a question. Others have answered it. I appreciate that. And don't get me wrong. I LOVE this fucking forum. (pun intended) It has opened my eyes to an entire world of pussy I did not even know existed.[/QUOTE]And if anything [b]I [/b]said was construed as an attack, I'm sorry. It wasn't intended that way. Just clarifying so that my intent wasn't misunderstood.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1558633]Ok, I think I get it. Lying to the wife protects the original arrangement.[/QUOTE]Once again, I suggest that you check your preconceptions at the door. If you don't realize that you [b]have [/b]preconceptions, I submit that you might want to reexamine things a bit. (:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1558633]My point is there is no reason to claim that pursuit of the babies is a higher calling than picking up street meat.[/QUOTE]I'm certainly not going to claim that! However, I firmly believe, from experience, that my relationship with her is of much higher [b]quality [/b]than what I would get from "street meat", so is deserving of that much more respect, in the form of not doing stupid shjt to fvck it up just for the sake of showing off. And this protection is [i]caution, [/i]not guilt. See below.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1558633]Just give to me straight no chase. Look me straight in my face and just tell it like it is![/QUOTE]She and I have had that conversation a number of times. She knows what she's doing, and so do I.

For what it's worth, I don't consider what we're doing (or what escorts, streetwalkers and other prostitutes do) to be at all immoral, irrespective of what the control-hungry and / or misguided legislators and religious nutjobs would have us believe. In principle, it's no different than what professional sports players and so-called "legitimate" massage therapists do, that is, sell their bodies for entertainment and pleasure. They certainly use different [b]parts [/b]of the body, but use of pussy and mouth is no more or less moral than the parts used by football players. If someone [b]thinks [/b]there's a moral difference there, that someone is wrong, and is part of the problem. The use of "someone" there is in the indeterminate third person sense, not referring to SubCmdr.

It certainly can be construed to be illegal, even if the sugar flow weren't symmetrical and quid pro quo (which it pretty much is for us) , and would be very socially embarrassing for both of us if it became public, but immoral, bad, evil, sick, disgusting, or any of the other inane adjectives applied by self-righteous pricks who think their morality has somehow attained the status of Law of Nature? No fvcking way.

[noparse]/[/noparse]z

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1564130]I did Ashley Madison about a year or two ago and found it a complete waste of time and money. I only ever got ONE legit response and she just wanted to chat with guys online, nothing serious.[/QUOTE]Be aware that AM pays shills to lure guys into chatting in their online chat room (for which they charge ridiculous amounts.) If you get a girl on there that wants to chat, try to get her to chat via AIM, Facebook or one of the other common chat platforms. If she only wants to chat in the AM chatrooms, she's a shill that has no interest in anything but separating you from your money.

Zomby,

My Man!

I know of no other place where I can have civil intellectual conversation on this subject.

The problem with the social sciences has always been the difficulty of measuring, defining and observing the actions within society. Your argument was eloquently stated and most appreciated.

I see all the activities of our forum and the entire board for that matter as simply individuals attempting to operate in areas defined by society as deviant. We are simply sharing methods to minimize our consequences while fulfilling our deepest sexual needs that lie outside of tightly defined parameters of our society. The providers may have different needs and desires but they are doing the exact same thing as we are. And there is no room for judgement in either case.

Thank you!

SubCmdr out

Regular readers will recall that my ATF has been serving an indefinite suspension for treating me too much like an ATM. I have no problem with spoiling a girl, but I have to receive something of commensurate value in return. That, unfortunately, has not been the case with ATF for the past few months. So, a month ago, I decided to cease all contact and see what happens.

Almost a month to the day after I stopped communicating with her, she sent me a text. It sounds like her life continues to spiral out of control. She's been sick and was fired from her job at the strip club. (How one is fired from stripping is beyond me.)

Despite her lack of financial prospects, she is hoping to have some cosmetic surgery soon. The plan is for lipo on the legs, thighs, abdomen, and arms, and fat injections in the ass. Let's put aside for a moment that this girl is gorgeous and doesn't need any of this work; she clearly has body image issues.

The real problem here is that she wants to go ahead with this work even though she's out of a job. And she asked me if I wanted to front the money. She'd repay me, she said. The cost? $12, 500.

My response to her: silence. If there was any doubt that all I am to her is dollar signs, then this episode confirmed it. She'd never be able to repay me, and that's beside the point. I'm glad I finally understand that it's time to move on from this one. It was a nice year and a half while it lasted.

AM is tough sledding but I have gotten 3 live ones not counting this Asian. She is busy emailing me and sending increasingly naked pics with her notes. She has a little tummy and nice suckable nipples so I am excited! I will let you know if it is all BS but for now we are on for Friday night. She complains that guys calaim they last a long time but don't. Wait til she gets a load of my chemically enhanced erection that lasts for 3 hours LOL She will be begging for mercy.

The other three were 1) 32 yr drop dead gorgeous girl I met for a drink who didn't like me) : (so sad) 2) a 38 yr old chubster who had obviously old pics up and 3) a 40 yr old so so looking girl who wanted to meet but I didn't. Most I mail do not respond but there are some live ones on there.

I now have 2 more responses from SDFM so we will see how they go. A HCG who emailed back and forth last week has flaked so I wonder if it was my ATF checking my activity out. Fuck her if it was cause she was the one who dumped me when the going got a little tough. (For you therapists out there I'm now progressing from the denial and grief stages of loss to anger. I am some kind of pissed at this girl for bailing on a damn good thing!) I guess resolution will come eventually. The more ass I get the quicker I will heal I suspect.

I have come across a bad one, I have known her for some time and even managed to get her to do a M&G. It never when any place as she demanded that I prove myself buy getting her something in advance of anything in the $250-400 range (It has changed over time) , I have always said sorry I don't work that way.

Well for some reason she has forwarded some emails from a guy who is 'working' her and once she left his email address on one of the messages. As you can see this and the fact that she is really just attempting to get things for nothing puts her in the 'bad SB' as far as I'm concerned but, what to do about it?

I remember watching the The Sopranos about ten years ago on HBO and wondering how on earth these fat uneducated guys had these hot mistresses (or "goomahs").

I've been re-watching the series lately and I just realized most of us here are basically living the Sopranos lifestyle (okay minus the organized crime and mob hits). Many of us here have found SBs or "goomah"s that will basically treat us like the "boss" for an evening a few times a month. Watching the Sopranos the women aspect of their lifestyle doesn't seem that extraordinary anymore. We here can basically replicate the same thing.

Now I just need a boat house.

Sorry for the random post.

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1565865]I remember watching the The Sopranos about ten years ago on HBO and wondering how on earth these fat uneducated guys had these hot mistresses (or "goomahs").

I've been re-watching the series lately and I just realized most of us here are basically living the Sopranos lifestyle (okay minus the organized crime and mob hits). Many of us here have found SBs or "goomah"s that will basically treat us like the "boss" for an evening a few times a month. Watching the Sopranos the women aspect of their lifestyle doesn't seem that extraordinary anymore. We here can basically replicate the same thing.

Now I just need a boat house.

Sorry for the random post.[/QUOTE]Mr. Smith,

I just read your post and realized,"I'm fat and uneducated." Shit! Good thing I found the sugar bowl. Or else the Cmdr wouldn't ever get ANY pussy! ROTFL! Time to start reading the classics, a diet and personal trainer.

SubCmdr out

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1565946]Mr. Smith,

I just read your post and realized,"I'm fat and uneducated." Shit! Good thing I found the sugar bowl. Or else the Cmdr wouldn't ever get ANY pussy! ROTFL! Time to start reading the classics, a diet and personal trainer.

SubCmdr out[/QUOTE]Haha!

Well I'm not a mobster. I can't use a gun to save my life. I can't walk into a club and instantly get the best seat. I have almost zero connections that would be worthwhile to anyone. And my mere presence doesn't command respect and fear from my friends and foes.

But I guess the sugar bowl is an equalizer for all of us, hehe.

Exchanged msgs with an attractive new lady on SA yesterday... she mentioned learning about the site after seeing a piece on the local TV news about Richmond being a "most promiscuous city". I never watch the local TV stations so I drew the Google gun and sure enough, last week SA published a study in which it ranked the 10 most-promiscuous cities, based on the percentage of SDs on their site reporting that they had at least 7 connections resulting in sex in the last 12 months. I think their measurement method is suspect, but the results are interesting nonetheless; Chicago was #1, which was expected, but several cities on the list were pretty surprising. RIC was #9. Birmingham beat Las Vegas? Really? (The most repressed societies are always the most promiscuous. Want proof? Spend a race weekend camped out at Talladega. :))

Unfortunately, this kind of publicity has negative aspects as well. Over the weekend, a new profile appeared of a pretty hot dark-haired young lady holding a DSLR camera... when I winked at her, I got back a reply flaming me that I should be worrying more about paying for my kids' college instead of spending my money on "sex with young girls."

It would *not* surprise me to learn that 5-O is trying to run some sort of sting. Not that they would succeed, but in bible-belt backwaters like this, the city fathers will be incensed that their city is getting such a reputation. Be careful out there, boys and girls...

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;1566026], but the results are interesting nonetheless; Chicago was #1, which was expected,[/QUOTE]I always knew I loved this city! Though I have to say, I want to go back and check my SA membership numbers again, using the 30-day active approach. There seem to be a lot of babies that come on, log in daily for week or less, then drop off. My guess is that they are processing all the contacts, and when they reappear, it means that they have not found anyone suitable. It might pay off to not jump on the new profiles, but add them to your "Favorites" list so you can keep track, and hit them up when they appear for the second time. My membership is expired, and I am staying off for a while, but is there a brother out there who wants to TOFTT and adopt this approach? Or is someone already playing these tactics?

Enquiring minds want to know.

I can tell you that I am getting follow up hits on my email from babies that bit early, spit the hook, but now seem to be intrigued again.

Scott

[QUOTE=VAJimbo; 1565444]I have come across a bad one, I have known her for some time and even managed to get her to do a M&G. It never when any place as she demanded that I prove myself buy getting her something in advance of anything in the $250-400 range (It has changed over time) , I have always said sorry I don't work that way.

Well for some reason she has forwarded some emails from a guy who is 'working' her and once she left his email address on one of the messages. As you can see this and the fact that she is really just attempting to get things for nothing puts her in the 'bad SB' as far as I'm concerned but, what to do about it?[/QUOTE]First, ask yourself if her pussy is worth the hassle and potential exposure. What if she "accidentally" leaves your email on a string she forwards to someone else?

For me, the scenario you described would mean "Operation Shut-down," and I'd break off all communication with her (at the very least until her case of GPS clears up). Always remember that a pot SB needs you more than you need her.

I might also consider contacting the man whose email addy you now have and give him a heads-up that she's playing both sides of the street and doing it indiscretely. If I were him, I would appreciate the information.

What is the baby's SA profile I'd number. I know I'd like to stay away from her brand of trouble, and I imagine most of the other bowlers on the forum would as well.

Dr. Feelgood.

I think Chicago is number 1 simply due to the fact that Scott lives there and he single handedly put the Windy City over the top.

I have a very hot attractive blonde I spent a couple hours with last week. She's a desperate Nando type 1 I think. This text comes in last Thursday.

Hey Hun. Can I see Yu tomorrow or Friday? It's urgent, I've got rent to pay, plus Yu said yud see me this week. I replied back not a good time. Busy.

I let this go all weekend (my time to play is during the weekdays) and got a text last night. Hey. We chatted a bit she really needs help with her rent. I want to see her again. I mean hell, she's smoking hot. 22 yo. 5'5, 115 lbs nice C cups. No kids, super clean and tight pussy, beautiful nipples that get super erect when she climaxes, just wow, wow, wow. She has no job (says she has tried applying as a server everywhere but has no experience) , she has a car and told me she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit. Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half the rent and she tells me he has done this recently.

They live in an apt community I am familiar with and this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work, save the hotel expense and I get my needs met. She is only looking to cover her bills which are around $650 a month and told me I can have whatever I want in exchange. I can handle that (and I told her she won't get that all at once) but I have some reservations as most of us might with this type of girl. She is very laid back, down to earth, easy to be with, very open minded. Does not seem strung out on drugs or the dangerous type. She has some experience with being a SB with other guys. Claims to know how to be discrete, since I am very engaged, that is important to me.

I guess I would just like to hear how some of the other contributors here would handle this one. I mean my thoughts are keeping banging her til the next one comes along.

WS out.