Massage Parlor Reports

Hey pals.

I'm new in town and I don;t know where to get started. Perheps someone generous enough could PM me and give me the nuts and bolts of this.

Greatly appreciated and thanks in advance.

"the defunct little brick house on York Rd near the old Crown Station"

Defunct? There is nothing "defunct" about the little brick house near the Crown station, unless your definiton of defunct is different than mine.

Digamex2000,

I think you put too fine a point on this issue. Yes, people are making money in China and other source countries on the traffic in human beings. But the women who are so trafficed into the U.S. can hardly be considered slaves. It's entirely analagous to the Mexicans who come across the border illegally.

Both sets of people have debts which they are obliged to pay off in order to protect their families, who are held hostage (in an economic sense) until those debts are satisfied. But in both cases, the traficee has the freedom to move about the country at will. In both cases, the traficee could (in theory) work in another industry if (in so doing) he/she could make enough money to pay off their debt.

These women are only enslaved to the extent that all Americans are slaves to their debt and to the extent that most Americans are "wage slaves."

LexLuther

I don't believe I have ever been to an AMP where I didn't get a chance to talk to the lady. In many cases they live in town or they stay at the place or in a dormatory setting. Yes they work long hours, and maybe we don't think the conditions are the best. But none has ever indicated that they are their against their will. Many infact are students. Mostly in NY. I met a couple of girls from LA, going to school out there. Look the money is good. The work is protected. Maybe not what we think, but for them its easy and probably boring work.

Some where I heard they are allowed to see 10/day. They can go out and return after hours. They are fed, housed, and cared for.

Yes they are assets, and worker bees, and slaves to their jobs. Arent we all.

I think there is an agency or two in NY that sets up a contract between the girls and the the house. Its just an impression I got from a few conversations.

Just my take on it.

Smiling Fox

Horsetrader,

You refer to a something called "Black Wednesday," plese be specific to what you are referring. What? When? Please provide more details.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Digamex2000]Enough with lawyer talk. I know I'm not a frequent contributor, but I could care less about someone's travails with their bad marriage. What ever happened to detailed MP reports with a happy ending. Sheesh.[/QUOTE]

I pegged you as a cop/community activist one year ago, and it seems I was right on the money. To anyone that reads this do not send Digamex2000 any info over PM. If you don't visit AMPs, you have no business on this thread. You state you stopped visiting AMPs years ago, but you still PM for information pertaining to providers/locations. BBBJCIM on your AMP visit at ML. That was a Blatant lie and you know it, sir. ML is a standup establishment as are the rest of the AMPS in the county. Have a nice life.

-If you're worried about slave labor than stop drinking orange juice and eating tomatoes. Field workers earn .80 per buschel. AMP workers earn more than your wife.

Long time member, new "name". All area Amps that I frequent are definitley stand up establishments with real working class people just trying to make a living. "Slave labor" is just a figment of somebodys fantasy, especially in the Maryland area. Treat the ladies with respect and you will recieve the same, if not more.

[QUOTE=Jim1240]Horsetrader,

You refer to a something called "Black Wednesday," plese be specific to what you are referring. What? When? Please provide more details.

Thanks[/QUOTE]This was a while ago so I'll give a newbie a break. Go to the archived 2006 DC massage parlor reports. Start reading at about August 15, 2006.

[QUOTE=Smiling Fox]I don't believe I have ever been to an AMP where I didn't get a chance to talk to the lady. In many cases they live in town or they stay at the place or in a dormatory setting. Yes they work long hours, and maybe we don't think the conditions are the best. But none has ever indicated that they are their against their will. Many infact are students. Mostly in NY. I met a couple of girls from LA, going to school out there. Look the money is good. The work is protected. Maybe not what we think, but for them its easy and probably boring work.

Some where I heard they are allowed to see 10/day. They can go out and return after hours. They are fed, housed, and cared for.

Yes they are assets, and worker bees, and slaves to their jobs. Arent we all.

I think there is an agency or two in NY that sets up a contract between the girls and the the house. Its just an impression I got from a few conversations.

Just my take on it.

Smiling Fox[/QUOTE]Not quite,

I have been dating a girl for over a year who worked in an AMP several years. And she has worked at many, most of them are the same setup.

They are not "slaves", as they can quit the place when they want to and go somewhere else. However they are working for 1-5 years typically to earn money to support their families back home (usually China, even the Korean girls in most AMPs are from China which has a large Korean population).

They can NOT, repeat can NOT come and go as they please. Most owners do not like the girls to have any type of life outside the spa as it invites unwanted "DRAMA", boyfriends, friends, local family etc, all create issues for owners who want the girls 100% focused on the owners business.

They can only go on their designated days off/vacation, at all other times they are not free to come and go as they please.

If they work in the NY city area, they may have 1 day off a week or 2 days off every 2 weeks, some spas are like this in the NY area, usually the girls go to their apt only on these days off.

They usually sleep there in the service rooms. They do not get free food, most spa owners charge the girls 10-20.00 a day for food, then make them cook it themselves on a rotating schedule.

They all share in the housekeeping daily duties, and also rotate a laundry schedule, example Monday: Yumi cooks, Julie washes towels.

If they are working in a 7 days/week place (meaning all girls work everyday) they rotate a vacation schedule based on the number of girls, example: 6 girls means a girl goes on vacation for 1 week every 6 weeks.

Its not a paid vacation, actually the week after vacation, the girl does NOT get any of the house money (70.00 fee you pay for 1hr) for the week immediately after their vacation (the only money they earn this week is from your tips). This is the owners way of re-couping $$ for the customers he was not able to service while that girl was out the previous week.

They are expected to equally pay for, toothpaste, toliet items, tissue, soap etc.

For those in MD, they typically take their week off and return to NY, where they probably pay around 300.00 per month to share an apt with 3-4 other girls who rotate in and out on their vacations. They may have friends in NY that they came to the US with or they may just want to rest and shop. Most have limited english, but speak fluent Korean and Chinese, which they can find businesses in NY that cater to them.

Most AMPs in NY and NJ are about the same as MD. The girls in MD, typically do not live in this area and see very little outside of the AMP and the bus station in chinatown that has the 20.00 Ny tickets. There are of course a few exceptions.

You would not believe how little of that "House Fee" ever gets to the girls doing the work. So remember this when you are considering your "tip".

Remember if they make 10.00 per 1/hr session their first 1-2 customers just pays for their daily food fee.

They do may good money because they work 12-17 hour days, and you may think it is easy or boring, but how would you like to do what they do to 10 or more guys a day? DO NOT FOR YOUR LIFE think these girls love what they do. They do it because there is no other way for them to make the same amount of money with their limited english and absent valid work papers.

[QUOTE=Popcruiser]"the defunct little brick house on York Rd near the old Crown Station"

Defunct? There is nothing "defunct" about the little brick house near the Crown station, unless your definiton of defunct is different than mine.[/QUOTE]Last I had seen they had quit advertising ages ago so I assumed they were closed. My only experience there was with an empty house, not very attractive MMS doing a rnt then wanted 20 to take her top off on top of that. , then when I left, all of a sudden there were 4 "therapists" sitting on the sofa, the youngest, maybe 21, displaying her wares in a short black mini playing computer games. Go figure.

ML is a standup establishment as are the rest of the AMPS in the county.

Have a nice life.

I'm not sure if you're joking or not. I always laid down.

[QUOTE=Smiling Fox] Yes they are assets, and worker bees, and slaves to their jobs. Arent we all.

I think there is an agency or two in NY that sets up a contract between the girls and the the house. Its just an impression I got from a few conversations.

Just my take on it.

Smiling Fox[/QUOTE]

I still think you all don't understand what's going on. I think the model is less that of agencies setting up contracts. The girls do not work under any sort of contract. Certainly nothing written down and certainly nothing enforceable in any court of law. In reality it's more of a networking kind of arrangement. The nodes on the network are other working girls; spa owners; mamasans; Korean Taxi drivers.

If anyone pays any kind of fee, it's usually the working girl who is unhappy at her current establishment and wishes to find a new locale, new spa, new manager. There may be an informal method by which she reimburses someone else who is involved. But I believe the biggest outlay comes in where she pays the Korean Taxi driver who transports her by private car over sometimes great distances.

This mode of transportation works well for working girls who may not have the English skills or support infrastructure (friends, relatives, etc.) who would help an ordinary citizen or permanent resident to get from one place to another. If it happens the girl is not here legally, it would be difficult or impossible for her to fly across the country. She may feel uncomfortable taking the bus or train. Thus the Korean Taxi model for transportation.

This is not just my take on it, it's the way it works. The next time you talk to a K-girl who says she is from NYC or Flushing, ask her how much she paid the Korean Taxi driver to bring here to the spa.

There are, of course, exceptions. These include a fair number of Koreans who were married to Americans and whose marriages failed. They then discovered that they could indeed support themselves despite their lack of English or any usable training or experience. These girls may transport themselves by POV, fly, or take bus or train. You will find that these are the girls with a decent command of the English language. They may also have their own abode and are more likely to rotate among the spas in a given area and not go from state to state as other girls do. Some of them, in fact, are not only working girls but may be the owner as well.

LexLuther

Horsetrader et. Al. I have been doing my homework as I fear being "castigated" by the senior members for not having done the proper reviews before asking a question. I appreciate your acknowledgement that something that happened in 2006 "may" have been overlooked. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading this board for the last couple of years and will ready myslefself to provide a review soon.

Well said and extremely accurate!

Therre was one location. Won't mention it but it was sacred.

They broght new girls in. I believe every thrus eveing.

Came in by van. I do believe.

Now I won't gurarntee it.

I just know there is a network, contract, agreement, and alot of it comes out of NY. And I know that most of the girls I have spoken with leave me with the very destinct impression that they are there to make money, some don't like it, some need it for school, some like the work. But I have not ever heard any indication that they are their against their will.

Lex, you are definetly more versed, and is a few others out there.

And I have no problem with any of your info. I suspect unless we were actually in the business we would know more.

I wouldn't mind that. LOL. Wouldn't mind owning a bar on the block, wouldn't mind owning an escort service. Hm. If you hit on a girl and your an escort service, is that sexual harrassment. LOL.

I have a rule at work. I never ever talk or touch. NEVER.

Now fire the lady, and take her upstairs. Ah. What joy.

Smiling Fox

I spoke once with a Korean Cab Driver in Annandale, well twice actually. He said he was an 'independent business man.' I know from a spa gal that he helped set up girls with the spas, knowing where the vacancies are and who was available. He got paid for that and for secure transportation 24X7 to anywhere.

The women are in it to make money. Korea is a male dominated society still, with few good opportunities for women, especially those with limited skills. Many have children from failed marriages. They need money. Oddly, many end up dating and marrying customers here. You would be surprised.

You know, I once read that in the early 1900's most of the providers in New York were Jewish. It is an entry occupation for participation in the economy.

Ginger man,

You may be right. But, be sure of your history.

There was a considerable difference of opinion and reality in the 1900 than of today. The industry basics may not have changed, Nor the low respect of the industry. But it was very different in the 1900's, than today.

I am sure many female immigrant minorities resorted to prostitution then. Many of those groups had inroads to industry, trades, work. Different groups tended to go to diffent cities and followed the opportunities. The women followed too helping and surviving any way they could.

What the women did, I am sure can be documented, somewhere. Just be careful about the stereo types. Any thing you say about any one group, can probably be said about most if not all of the others too.

Smiling Fox

No phd in history. Just BA w/honors. American History.

Well, the information is interesting twist on what we usually get but I want to put a little more reality and less theory in this post. What's up with jnw? I went there 2 times both times asking for 130. The first time I said no the second time I thought what the heck. It was pretty bad. Guys don't waste the money there. I won't say names but let's just call her T. I would not visit this place until the service improves and rates come back to the norm. Avoid at all cost on this one. I took another one for the team.

""What's up with jnw? .......I would not visit this place until the service improves and rates come back to the norm. Avoid at all cost on this one. I took another one for the team"""

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. I always enjoy myself there, even though I now prefer to escape to the other side of the street. I know who "T" is and I think she is new and will hopefully soon learn the norms.

[QUOTE=Popcruiser]""What's up with jnw? . I would not visit this place until the service improves and rates come back to the norm. Avoid at all cost on this one. I took another one for the team"""

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. I always enjoy myself there, even though I now prefer to escape to the other side of the street. I know who "T" is and I think she is new and will hopefully soon learn the norms.[/QUOTE]I wish I had your luck, but I have to keep it honest for the guys reading this. They will charge you $30 for good service which is not good. T is not the person to deal with. Both times I went it was the same demand $30. Rule one for newbies, there is a reason you do not over pay as I did, it generally is not worth it. You will be unsatisfied in the end. Keep the your money and spend it on those who really want to work.

Been a while since I've ventured to an AMP. I seem to have more luck with agency tail. It's HQ and I don't have to guess what I'll get. Anyway I figured I would get a rubdown this afternoon. Well went to JHH and for the first time went upstairs. Can you say shady? Bed on floor and overall dirty. Sophie was less than friendly, or at least she couldn't speak a lick of english. I tried but it was horrible, the hr session was about 40 tops. Nothing had. No tip, bad experiance. Now someone on here might have had their toes permanently curled by this chick, but it wasn't doing it for me.

So not being a quiter I went over to the new place on york. Nice 30's see rack and good shape. Great massage and nice flip. Somewhere you have to get to know the folks but I'll see her before she leaves.

I guess I'll venture out some more now that I'm not bartering for sex. Ie buying ladies dinner ect ect.

Tried to reach MU. Phones are full of messages.

Are they still in business?

Tried to call Mu. Phone won't take messages. Are they open?

[QUOTE=Baltjay] Sophie was less than friendly, or at least she couldn't speak a lick of english. I tried but it was horrible, the hr session was about 40 tops. Nothing had. No tip, bad experiance. Now someone on here might have had their toes permanently curled by this chick, but it wasn't doing it for me.

So not being a quiter I went over to the new place on york. Nice 30's see rack and good shape. Great massage and nice flip. Somewhere you have to get to know the folks but I'll see her before she leaves.

I guess I'll venture out some more now that I'm not bartering for sex. Ie buying ladies dinner ect ect.[/QUOTE]Well I beg to differ. My usual girl is now on vacation and I had to settle for sophie. Big tits little chubby and big ass with nice tattoo. She was awsome. So friendly. Great massage. She started on top very slow and made sure I felt every inch of the inside of her. Gave me hot towel, and came back and started to massage again for about 10 minutes. After the ten she leaned over and said again? I said absolutely. This was just my first visit. The second visit. Lets just say I had a little bit of everything excellent rimming. Would def repeat.

May be temporarily closed. Busted a few days ago. The usual biz violations. Seems Baltimore County is cracking down on the York Road corridor.

[QUOTE=Baltoguy03]Well I beg to differ. My usual girl is now on vacation and I had to settle for sophie. Big tits little chubby and big ass with nice tattoo. She was awsome. So friendly. Great massage. She started on top very slow and made sure I felt every inch of the inside of her. Gave me hot towel, and came back and started to massage again for about 10 minutes. After the ten she leaned over and said again? I said absolutely. This was just my first visit. The second visit. Lets just say I had a little bit of everything excellent rimming. Would def repeat.[/QUOTE]Glad you had better luck.

Too bad about the closure.

I'll be on the east coast soon.

Thanks for the 411 from this forum.

If I partake, I will post a report.

Busted! I called, no luck! I'd like to talk to her to wish her luck.

Excellent Dude

Went there very recently. Had a good experience. Massage was OK. Other services worth repeating. Therapist was a very fit (no baby fat anywhere) former dancer of Korean heritage. Best abs I've seen in a long time. Great complexion. 30C enhanced. Standing shower with assist, dry sauna, and back to fan conditioned room. She walked on my back and worked the muscles well but lacked the technical skill of others. But what she lacked in technique with her hands she more than made up for in her personality, overall looks, and fetching frame. Oh, and she had a great pair of legs all the way up! Would have loved to watch her dance. Late 30s. Goes by Coffee (like the morning beverage).

Gave mammasan.8 and she promised to return with my change but never did.8 tip because of my therapist's total package. Will return. Will recommend.

Sr members feel free to pm.

AD

Jnw was not very good the first few times I went there. However, my other place in Ellicot City was just a bit too far so I would go back from time to time.

The last few times have been better, but the girls change so much. It is cool to have the new girls there, but I personally like to have a regular.

Hit up Jade in Ellicott City. I believe her name was Ching. Great backrub, actually one of the best I've had in a long time. Took her time. Offered a HJ on the flip and couldn't resist. Very sweet girl.

I had some money and a penis burning a hole in my pocket so I decided to stop by my second home. Had a strange thing happen, while walking to the front door I noticed a guy in shorts ahead of me. When I got to the building front door he was entering the door to Kyoto. Well I know that it takes mms a little while to get to the door and I did not want to stand there with another guy drooling on the floor. I decided to make a right and get some water at the fountain. I rinsed my mouth for about 30 seconds and gave it a shot. The coast was clear. MMS came to the door and took my hand and led me to a room used by the girls for breaks. Gave my fee, asked for YuMi and was told she was off. Asked for someone cute and waited for about 5-10 mins. Yanked on my little guy to try and make a good impression and as usual it never works. Finally a retired sumo wrestler Lee pokes her head in and grabs my duds and heads for another room. As we walk down the hall I see MMS and I give her the "WTF" look and she sort of smiles. Then we hit the shower and the oven. Back to the room and Lee starts to massage. Not a great massage but the girl actually speaks. I talked to her about a whole bunch of stuff and everthing was OK till the flip. As long as I did not see her it was OK. Now that I had to get to work it was a little harder. She started playing with Willy and I grabbed some tits. She pulled them out and started rubbing them on Willy. Now I know that this should really be a turn on but this girl turned me off. Anyway mother nature can overcome many things and Willy gave up the sauce and I was ready to run.

Looks 4
Attitude 8
Would I do her again, NO.

Nah He

[QUOTE=Mynameiswithhe]Jnw was not very good the first few times I went there. However, my other place in Ellicot City was just a bit too far so I would go back from time to time.

The last few times have been better, but the girls change so much. It is cool to have the new girls there, but I personally like to have a regular.[/QUOTE]Yeah JNW also was not very good for me. I tried it twice both times over charged with poor service. Well first time I said no to the charge second I tried it out.

Don't feel bad you are not the only one that have made mistakes.

[QUOTE=Avsmith04]I am looking for an AMP with cute young girls (18-25) please help. I used to goto the one in dc off of k and vermont like 3 years ago before the big raid. I hate looking around for these things, if someone helps me out I will hook them up with Kristen (My girl) and she will F*uck you for free. Remember the staff must be full of cuties, not of old B*itches

Deal![/QUOTE]It seems your syntax and grammer have improved since your streetwalker postings. Congratulations, that is quite an achievement in less than one day.

First and foremost you must understand that there is no such thing as a cute young girl in this hobby. That is a term used by propagandists to tear apart the relationship between a consenting man and a consenting woman. There are many reasons these persons are involved in this victimization, but the most common form nowadays is homosexuality/lesbianism/asexuality. These individuals don't want to see anyone happy. They must victimize someone somewhere because it's much easier to point their finger than to fix their own pathetic meaningless lives.

The more you post, the more familiar you sound. This whole driving force behind Kristin. What is this? I'm in W/W constantly and have never seen her there. In fact, if you watch the documentary, she copped and tricked due north of W/W. At about the same time these Kristin posts began to surface, one specific member of the community began to 'Feel sorry' for her. His heart went out to her. He was generally concerned and very horny. Maybe he can 'help her'. And by help her I mean lore her into his life and home with the promise of a better life. After all, he knows lots of people and he can get her the 'help' she needs. Once her mind is full of hope and his heart is full of 'help', they can begin a lovers' relationship. He is full of pride because he is a 'good man'! God would be honored to have him in his Kingdom! He doesn't pay for sex/companionship. He will never pay for sex/companionship. "That is disgraceful" he states. Once his lust fades for Kristin, he will remove her from his life by ending the relationship then telling the entire community how he tried everything to help this woman, but in the end it was all for not then he'll drink another beer. Kristin will be on the curb again sans money with an empty heart and a mind full of broken promises. I know his MO. I've seen it many times in this city. He is a form of a monger although he remains undecided.

If you are not part of that circle so be it. Check the city paper and Baltimore Sun for AMPs listings. Read this forum throughly. Start going to AMPs. There is an AMP guide on this thread. No one is going to hand you the platter with the meat already sliced. You have to do your own cooking 'round here. Lose that Ghetto talk too. If I wanted to hang out with pimps, I'd give them rides. These are women; They are not bitches; They are not little girls.

KAPISH?

I passed four amps tonight before I finally made my way back to this place against my better judgement. The place is always consistent, but I really wanted a superb massage which has been lacking at this establishment for the last few visits. It seems the providers have taken the rate of inflation to heart. Instead of increasing price and risk losing costumers, they have taken to reducing standard services. I guess in the Korean mind if they exert less energy during each visit it's just as good as a raise. I hope good mama comes back soon, so I can talk to her about this problem. The shower at this place is either out of this world or standard. Tonight was very standard.

Yumi (fresh from Manhattan likes to shop and eat 'so she says')
Korean 36-39 yo
5'7 135-142lb 34 C (lots of make-up/ nice frame)

Face 7
Body 7
Attitude 8
Personality 6
Massage 5
Service 6

Standard Candy on the way out the door

She's no spring chicken and she's got some weight on her, but she wears it well. In her younger years, she was a damn fine looking Korean. You can see it in her face. She does not like dinning at ymca apparently, but she is a great orator. She is very skilled in that respect. As most Asians do, she looks good from behind. She had a great ass when she was younger, wow.

Was on my way to JNW last night and last minute decided to check a new place advertised as Accupressure clinic. Haven't been to JNW in a few months and the last several times I went I was so turned off by the service I made a uturn and thought I would try this new place.

The place is much cleaner than JNW and got the same service I at a cheaper price. The woman, didn't catch her name gave a nice massage and extras were available upon the first visit. Opted for the "best service" for an additional $. Was worth it. Rates: 50 for half 60 for hour.

Will give this place a second try at a future date and hopefully it will replace the void of JNW, used to like that place, but it has go so downhill not even worth it now. Too bad. MMS is nice person and she always treated me well.

Careful out there. Hope this helps.

I went from a Jojo last time to a Yoyo this time. Not sure if it's the same Yoyo reported in the past at GH. Great body, in her 40's. Gave a DATY that almost threw me off the table and took her down for the count for a few minutes before she could recover. She returned the favor and a fun time was had by all.

BTW, there were three other providers there on my way out. All younger and a solid 8+ on the looks/body scale.

LARS™ Rating:

Face: 7
Body: 9
Attitude: 9
Service: 9
(Lost a few bonus points because of smoker's breath, or was it last night's kimchi?)

B.D.

[QUOTE=Butter Dog]I went from a Jojo last time to a Yoyo this time. Not sure if it's the same Yoyo reported in the past at GH. Great body, in her 40's. Gave a DATY that almost threw me off the table and took her down for the count for a few minutes before she could recover. She returned the favor and a fun time was had by all.

BTW, there were three other providers there on my way out. All younger and a solid 8+ on the looks/body scale.

LARS™ Rating:

Face: 7
Body: 9
Attitude: 9
Service: 9
(Lost a few bonus points because of smoker's breath, or was it last night's kimchi?)

B.D.[/QUOTE]Good to see that some things endure!

Boom to bust on the west side. Ten days ago had a once in a life time session with Micky (young spinner with short hair) and then today a mediocre experience with linebacker material Yoyo.

As always YMMV.

Peace and love,

Lax

Hit up 4 locations and was told by 3, "busy". Whoever settled for mms at the Elkridge establishment- times must be tough. Ended up climbing some stairs into a place sharing a DC area code. Met by Cindy, told to undress, no shower, paid for an hour, ended up paying for half hour, but stayed only 15 minutes. Massage therapist left door open and kept leaving to speak with someone. No menu, will not repeat. Save your time and your money.

Times for AMPs are tough, considering tapping other resources- if you know what I mean.

In Reisterstown. Went on Fri. All white american staff. Paid for 45min. Turned out to be more like 35. + 4jack tip to get nude. I know it costs more but I just enjoy american women more. Massage ok. Got Miranda. Sexy sexy sexy 20 something with killer ass. Just HJ, tho she said if I come back more will be on menu once she comfortable with me. I know YMMV.