General Reports

[QUOTE=Benz1;3623206]UTR Ravenna.

Have another one named Autumn, she is a 27 yr old white small bbw in Ravenna, willing to do car dates out of a family home. (discretion is a must).

No incall available at this time. If you want FS you have to bring your own cover.

40 BBBJws, 80 CFS.

The pic on the right is for you RogerOver, she is sporting a full set of teeth but they are fake.

She gave me my first ever gum job and I regret telling her that I wanted more pressure. Popped way too soon.

Takes direction well and is a sweet girl.

Digits and Password for well seniors members only.
Happy hunting[/QUOTE]In those pictures she looks like she could be the sister of Aliese (from Panacea).

[QUOTE=Benz1;3623206]UTR Ravenna.

Have another one named Autumn, she is a 27 yr old white small bbw in Ravenna, willing to do car dates out of a family home. (discretion is a must).

No incall available at this time. If you want FS you have to bring your own cover.

40 BBBJws, 80 CFS.

The pic on the right is for you RogerOver, she is sporting a full set of teeth but they are fake.

She gave me my first ever gum job and I regret telling her that I wanted more pressure. Popped way too soon.

Takes direction well and is a sweet girl.

Digits and Password for well seniors members only.
Happy hunting[/QUOTE]I am very intrigued how one goes about finding a toothless 27 year old that lives out in the sticks? Is this from Cregs list adds (girl seeking man or therapy). I must be using the wrong search terms in Google.

Selina is still my all time favorite! Monster titts and huge sexual appetite! Hmu for email!

[QUOTE=WalterJ;3623805]I am very intrigued how one goes about finding a toothless 27 year old that lives out in the sticks? Is this from Cregs list adds (girl seeking man or therapy). I must be using the wrong search terms in Google.[/QUOTE]The mental picture you painted cracked me up. And I agree. How in the heck does he do it. And why the fuck would she be toothless at 27, except maybe a serious meth addict (but of course she'll have a better story than that, some sort of health issue growing up probably).

[QUOTE=OrdinaryJo;3623403]In those pictures she looks like she could be the sister of Aliese (from Panacea).[/QUOTE]Is aliese still at panacea?

[QUOTE=Blackfire;3624004]The mental picture you painted cracked me up. And I agree. How in the heck does he do it. And why the fuck would she be toothless at 27, except maybe a serious meth addict (but of course she'll have a better story than that, some sort of health issue growing up probably).[/QUOTE]You guys are cracking me up too.

She does have a different story, it is believable to me. I'm not going to try to convince anyone. However if a person is using meth to a point where they lose all their teeth, they would have other degenerative facial features as well and I don't think meth heads can afford a full set of dentures.
The pics are accurate and OrdinaryJo commented that she is nice looking and I thought the same thing so the meth theory didn't ad up for me. However her facial features do change when she takes her teeth out, not bad just a little different. At that point most of what I see is the back of her head anyway. Works for me.

[QUOTE=Stonecoldstan;3624007]Is aliese still at panacea?[/QUOTE]I believe Aliese works out of her home on the Southside of Holland. I saw her over a month ago for a nice massage.

Damage was $100.00 for the hour, tip of 20 for a total of 120. Massage was wonderful, great ending as well, completely nakes for the start. You can find her ad in the Holland BP massage section.

Happy Hunting All!

[QUOTE=Stonecoldstan;3624007]Is aliese still at panacea?[/QUOTE]She works from her home on the southside of Holland.

I saw her about a month ago, great massage, followed by great ending. Total damage was 120. She got completely naked from the start.

Happy Hunting!

Agree, another quality report. We all appreciate your efforts and input.

[QUOTE=HapHunter;3617384]Another official TY! Great reports!![/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

I've sought to augment Benz's review form, see below. I've added a fair bit to it in the hopes of stimulating worthwhile substantive discussion among the membership. Why? As others have already pointed out in earlier dialog, the quality, accuracy, and ultimately – the usability of the reviews herein are highly variable, and at times suspect. Me personally? I am typically skeptical of most every newbies first couple of reviews. Why? In a TOFTT situation, you and the provider have no idea what to expect at the door. Generally speaking first time experiences aren't anything to crow about. Next, experience, the halo effect, and the seasoned ability to report objectively on something that is otherwise totally subjective. That takes time and money (because the Hobby ain't cheap), and the willingness (and maturity?) to be dispassionate.

Tastes and personal preferences among the hobbyist membership are vastly different. Is Savage Jenn a "looker"? Face-wise, yes, better than most. Physique-wise? That is subjective and more in the eyes of the beholder (and what they want). Are either of those specific attributes particularly relevant for a provider, when on her game, she is tied for the top spot in giving the best head in West Michigan? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what one is looking for and its importance to them. The challenge is how to objectively quantify and rate / rank the various aspects of a hobbyist's experience in the review so that others can make an informed choice using the reviews as input for their consideration.

Lastly, and I put this to the readership and those that see the potential communal benefit and are willing to weigh in on the matter and respond, I think it might be of benefit for the review form or template to contain a section for the reviewer to generally describe what they were seeking / looking to experience. Looks? Skill? Menu? Attitude? Enthusiasm? That way the readership can get of sense of the similarity between what they are looking for, what the reviewer says he experienced, and the provider's track record of delivery.

Thoughts?

Benz,

A decent idea, maybe worth some additional discussion.

Hobby Name:

Marketing: Advertises_UTR_Arrangement_.

Service Type:

HJ_ CBJ_ BBBJ_ Throats_BLS_CIM_ Swallow_ CFS_ BBFS_ Daty_FIV_Greek_.

Extras: Prostrate massage_ Rim Job_ Pegging_ GFE_ MSOG_Fistable_Enjoys Being Toyed_ .

Rates:

Her Sweet Spot – what is she particularly good / skilled at, if anything:

Apparent Skill Level:

Attitude:

Enthusiasm:

Personality: Friendly_Engaging_Talkative_Chatterbox_Sullen_Shy_Disinterested_Irritated_Can't Wait To Be Done_.

Hygiene:

Taste / smell of pussy Good_ ok_ Bad_.

Showered / shaved.

Breath.

Skin Condition:

Body type / physique:

Recent Accurate Pics?:

Attractiveness – Face:

Attractiveness – Body:

If you know what you are doing, can she enjoy herself?:

Phone Number (s) Used: If multiple numbers, list the most recent first - 7 of 10 digits_.

Email:

Website:

Affiliation, if any: Independent_ Agency_Massage Parlor_Strip Club_.

Hobby Acquaintances or Duo's With?

Age: Posted_ Looks like_.

Ethnicity:

Skin Tone:

Hair color:

Teeth: Missing? Meth teeth_.

Bust size:

Bust Appearance: Boltons_ Full_ Saggy _.

Tattoos:

Piercings: Location_.

Feet: _ Toe sucking_.

Smoker?: _ smoke with client?

Signs Of Substance Use?

Incall: Clean_ Messy_ Smelly_ Risky_.

Repeat at this incall? Repeat with this provider_.

Date of Meeting:

Overall Experience: Comments.

Most Mongers are too lazy to fill out a Masters Thesis length form.

[QUOTE=NoseJelly;3625926]Most Mongers are too lazy to fill out a Masters Thesis length form.[/QUOTE]NJ,

Agreed. It's a stretch. Your point holds for even getting a review, no? Still, I think there might be merit in the concept. Care to point out which of them are likely to be the most important to the membership at large? That way it's shorter and more manageable.

- AG.

Autumn utr is not answering her phone because she is out of boost min.

Her vehicle isn't working and she lives in the sticks. She contacted me on a relative's phone and I bought a 10 boost card for her.

I will repost her info when she gets it activated.

On a lark I tried using Secret Benefits a couple of months ago. I am happier, calmer, and safer now that I quit using BP, Craigslist, etc. I have met two wonderful ladies who I now see on a regular basis. These ladies are just as horny as I am! It takes more time and effort initially to establish trust and find out our mutual needs and wants, but it has worked out great for me. If you're looking for more than a "slam bam thank you maam" experience I suggest you give it try.

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3627086]On a lark I tried using Secret Benefits a couple of months ago. I am happier, calmer, and safer now that I quit using BP, Craigslist, etc. I have met two wonderful ladies who I now see on a regular basis. These ladies are just as horny as I am! It takes more time and effort initially to establish trust and find out our mutual needs and wants, but it has worked out great for me. If you're looking for more than a "slam bam thank you maam" experience I suggest you give it try.[/QUOTE]Is this similar to Seeking Arrangements? What are you finding the average cost to be? What is the "date"like?

[QUOTE=Blackfire;3627091]Is this similar to Seeking Arrangements? What are you finding the average cost to be? What is the "date"like?[/QUOTE]I'll add my two cents. I have been on and off SA for years. As has been stated it requires a bit more work and is a bit more expensive. It all depends on what you "seek". I like the info gained through the profiles and ability to chat with these women before meeting. Pictures are real and you pretty much know what to expect. I have done both allowance and a per date donation. Prefer per date. I tend to hook up with what would be comparable to high end escorts so my costs are higher than you need to go BUT is well worth the effort and money IMHO. Have met and enjoyed some terrific women. As I said, it depends on what you are looking for. Quick hit so to speak ("I am paying them to fuck me and leave") then BP and other escort sites would be best, but if you are looking for a true GFE then these arrangements will deliver. While at the end of the day there really is no difference (pay to play) the women generally don't see it that way. Play along, show respect and it makes a big difference in how you interact, especially in bed!

I'm not familiar with SA. But it's probably similar to SB. My ladies and I have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. There has to be some mutual chemistry to make it almost real and work. Most dates involve some dining or shopping followed by intense mutual pleasing sex for the both of us. It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.

[QUOTE=Blackfire;3627091]Is this similar to Seeking Arrangements? What are you finding the average cost to be? What is the "date"like?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3627109]I'm not familiar with SA. But it's probably similar to SB. My ladies and I have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. There has to be some mutual chemistry to make it almost real and work. Most dates involve some dining or shopping followed by intense mutual pleasing sex for the both of us. It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you're not married. For those of us that are, we need a quicker date. I'm staying off BP too and have been somewhat successful with my fake FB page. Chatting with Lilliana's mom right now. She's a nice MILF. Something might happen. Like you mentioned, it takes time, they know I'm married so they know I don't have all day to go shopping.
Some FB connections are easier than others. Found this in my message box the other day.
I also heard u might be interested in a lady friend occasionally?? And do u happen to knw anyone looking to get tattooed?? I do them...

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3627086]On a lark I tried using Secret Benefits a couple of months ago. I am happier, calmer, and safer now that I quit using BP, Craigslist, etc. I have met two wonderful ladies who I now see on a regular basis. These ladies are just as horny as I am! It takes more time and effort initially to establish trust and find out our mutual needs and wants, but it has worked out great for me. If you're looking for more than a "slam bam thank you maam" experience I suggest you give it try.[/QUOTE]Seems more expensive than seekingarrangements- it looks like at the lowest tier it cost $5. 90 to start a conversation with a girl with no guarantees that she will even respond. On seekingarrangements you pay around 70 a month and for that month you can talk to a thousand girls if you want- also on the android and iPhone app of seekingarrangement you can buy just a week for around 40 dollars. It looks like they have a lot of the same girls as well but also some new ones. Maybe the best is to have membership at both.

Autumn's phone is back on.

Digits and password for senior members.

Has anyone seen Lea Velvet lately? Now that I'm back in the game I'm thinking about seeing her if she's still around. I have her number already but just thought I'd see if anyone has seen her recently before I reach out?

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3627109]I'm not familiar with SA. But it's probably similar to SB. My ladies and I have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. There has to be some mutual chemistry to make it almost real and work. Most dates involve some dining or shopping followed by intense mutual pleasing sex for the both of us. It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. Didn't really answer the cost question though. Do you pay a monthly allowance, an how much typically? Your description of the coming black Friday sounds like between shopping (a few hundred? Lunch ($50) an a room ($100) you might be in the $500 range for a day with a nice lady?

[QUOTE]it looks like at the lowest tier it cost $5. 90 to start a conversation with a girl with no guarantees that she will even respond[/QUOTE]Yikes. Say standard is $600. Say I have to hit up 3 gals to end up meating 1 (not just meeting). That's $1,800. Quite a fee.

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3627109]It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.[/QUOTE]It sounds not like a FWB, but a Sugar Daddy where she does become a real friend if it continues for a while (cha-ching, tho). I wouldn't put that merely as something more expensive than a "60 m visit" to a BP girl for a GFE with 2 pops and chilling in the hotel together. Upon shopping for them & taking them out, do you pay them too at the end (assuming you did a healthy amount of buying stuff for them)? To me, that'd be the deal breaker of consideration if it was anything too significant. If I spent $250 on gifts, $50 on lunch bill, $100 on the room after taxes / fees for an outing -- I wouldn't want to throw down $400 for a couple hours banging. Total: $800 (not counting % of initial website cost to get the ball rolling). I spend half the time shopping For her could be fine for me if executed indirectly, if said cost of shopping just covered an expensive escort experience at a hotel, as the latter would be had as a "thank you".

Basically, I wouldn't want to pay for a Pricey GFE at the mall, then after, have to pay a Pricey GFE in a hotel. BUT, if I was truly rich (not just able to afford it to an extent with budgeting), I guess I wouldn't care so much. .

To start a conversation on Secret Benefits you to have buy credits. I paid $150 into my account with SB for 500 of their conversation credits. I am now regularly fucking two very hot and horny women and I still have around 280 credits in my account. Not a bad deal IMHO.

The arrangement I have with this lady is that I pay for occasional shopping, dining, etc on a per date basis. About once a week we fit a date into our busy schedules.

I do not pay her extra for the actual 1 or 2 hour pure sex time. So this coming Friday it will cost me around $300-$400 for an all day date which will include a couple hours of fucking and sucking.

My number 2 lady is paid directly pay for play. We get together about once a week. $200 per session which could last up to 3 hours depending on our schedules. We also do lunch dates where we just talk and hang out and enjoy each other's company.

[QUOTE=Charlie441;3628217]Yikes. Say standard is $600. Say I have to hit up 3 gals to end up meating 1 (not just meeting). That's $1,800. Quite a fee.

It sounds not like a FWB, but a Sugar Daddy where she does become a real friend if it continues for a while (cha-ching, tho). I wouldn't put that merely as something more expensive than a "60 m visit" to a BP girl for a GFE with 2 pops and chilling in the hotel together. Upon shopping for them & taking them out, do you pay them too at the end (assuming you did a healthy amount of buying stuff for them)? To me, that'd be the deal breaker of consideration if it was anything too significant. If I spent $250 on gifts, $50 on lunch bill, $100 on the room after taxes / fees for an outing -- I wouldn't want to throw down $400 for a couple hours banging. Total: $800 (not counting % of initial website cost to get the ball rolling). I spend half the time shopping For her could be fine for me if executed indirectly, if said cost of shopping just covered an expensive escort experience at a hotel, as the latter would be had as a "thank you".

Basically, I wouldn't want to pay for a Pricey GFE at the mall, then after, have to pay a Pricey GFE in a hotel. BUT, if I was truly rich (not just able to afford it to an extent with budgeting), I guess I wouldn't care so much. .[/QUOTE]

But I have peace of mind knowing who I am playing with. We all know the creepy feeling we get when we knock on a door and we don't know what or who is standing behind it. My ladies are real single moms who care about and love their kids. They have real full time jobs, they are not strung out mentally insane junkies looking for their next fix. They are just as horny as I am and they want sex with someone who they are at least somewhat attracted to and will treat them with dignity and respect and fuck their brains out. Its a win-win for both of us. It takes more time, more effort, and more money. But the long term return on investment on my part is well worth it IMHO.

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3628385]To start a conversation on Secret Benefits you to have buy credits. I paid $150 into my account with SB for 500 of their conversation credits. I am now regularly fucking two very hot and horny women and I still have around 280 credits in my account. Not a bad deal IMHO.

The arrangement I have with this lady is that I pay for occasional shopping, dining, etc on a per date basis. About once a week we fit a date into our busy schedules.

I do not pay her extra for the actual 1 or 2 hour pure sex time. So this coming Friday it will cost me around $300-$400 for an all day date which will include a couple hours of fucking and sucking.

My number 2 lady is paid directly pay for play. We get together about once a week. $200 per session which could last up to 3 hours depending on our schedules. We also do lunch dates where we just talk and hang out and enjoy each other's company.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3628427]But I have peace of mind knowing who I am playing with. We all know the creepy feeling we get when we knock on a door and we don't know what or who is standing behind it. My ladies are real single moms who care about and love their kids. They have real full time jobs, they are not strung out mentally insane junkies looking for their next fix. They are just as horny as I am and they want sex with someone who they are at least somewhat attracted to and will treat them with dignity and respect and fuck their brains out. Its a win-win for both of us. It takes more time, more effort, and more money. But the long term return on investment on my part is well worth it IMHO.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that helps me understand a bit better. Sounds like a good option for a single guy who either can't get or doesn't want a "real" girlfriend and has quite a bit of cash to burn to still have the girlfriend experience, not just on a sexual level. There is a type of relationship available for every need these days.

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3628427]But I have peace of mind knowing who I am playing with. We all know the creepy feeling we get when we knock on a door and we don't know what or who is standing behind it. My ladies are real single moms who care about and love their kids. They have real full time jobs, they are not strung out mentally insane junkies looking for their next fix. They are just as horny as I am and they want sex with someone who they are at least somewhat attracted to and will treat them with dignity and respect and fuck their brains out. Its a win-win for both of us. It takes more time, more effort, and more money. But the long term return on investment on my part is well worth it IMHO.[/QUOTE]I agree. I am on S. A. And have three arrangements. The first gal is a single mom. I help her with groceries and a couple of small bills now and then. We meet bat her place twice a month for three hours of hot sex. The second one is a college age gal. She loves to suck cock. I buy her some of her books each semester. Other than that we meet onece a week for a great blowjob. The third gal is actually married. 29 years old and just wants sex at a hotel or the hot tubs twice a month. She is drop dead gorgeous. Diesntnwant to leave her husband or ruin her marriage. There is no charge at all fie this lady.

[QUOTE=Pete3854;3628663]I agree. I am on S. A. And have three arrangements. The first gal is a single mom. I help her with groceries and a couple of small bills now and then. We meet bat her place twice a month for three hours of hot sex. The second one is a college age gal. She loves to suck cock. I buy her some of her books each semester. Other than that we meet onece a week for a great blowjob. The third gal is actually married. 29 years old and just wants sex at a hotel or the hot tubs twice a month. She is drop dead gorgeous. Diesntnwant to leave her husband or ruin her marriage. There is no charge at all fie this lady.[/QUOTE]Guys,

There is much more to this class of provider than most of us realize at first. It takes a bit of money, and a lot of patience, persistence, and hard work. Most of the ladies are not even what we'd consider UTR. They do not see themselves as providers and are rather uncomfortable at the notion. I am a recent convert to this aspect of the Hobby, although not completely yet. I do not consider myself an expert. Tips and comments from Mike why and a couple others got me curious. General dissatisfaction with risk, yield and cost of regular hobby activities got me looking. There are a LOT of women who are dissatisfied, quasi-interested / curious at how to go about things, and who do not want to "advertise" out of concerns for privacy and perceived stigma. As others point out herein, it isn't just about the cash. It's also about whether you can connect, how you behave and carry yourself and are compatible. If you "click"? Aww hell, it can be a lot of fun!

For every one that advertises, she has a dozen or more acquaintances that do not and are on the fence, curious. It takes work, and ones patience and willingness to work with them, coax them, and satisfy them. If I were to hazard a guess there may be more unsatisfied women in search of something regular and safe with the right guy. The biggest untapped area here is college girls and their working, but disillusioned friends. If you stay informed and are fluent in the trends of social media, it can be one heck of a trip.

Be safe.

[QUOTE=Amaregraeco;3628785]Guys,

There is much more to this class of provider than most of us realize at first. It takes a bit of money, and a lot of patience, persistence, and hard work. Most of the ladies are not even what we'd consider UTR. They do not see themselves as providers and are rather uncomfortable at the notion. I am a recent convert to this aspect of the Hobby, although not completely yet. I do not consider myself an expert. Tips and comments from Mike why and a couple others got me curious. General dissatisfaction with risk, yield and cost of regular hobby activities got me looking. There are a LOT of women who are dissatisfied, quasi-interested / curious at how to go about things, and who do not want to "advertise" out of concerns for privacy and perceived stigma. As others point out herein, it isn't just about the cash. It's also about whether you can connect, how you behave and carry yourself and are compatible. If you "click"? Aww hell, it can be a lot of fun!

For every one that advertises, she has a dozen or more acquaintances that do not and are on the fence, curious. It takes work, and ones patience and willingness to work with them, coax them, and satisfy them. If I were to hazard a guess there may be more unsatisfied women in search of something regular and safe with the right guy. The biggest untapped area here is college girls and their working, but disillusioned friends. If you stay informed and are fluent in the trends of social media, it can be one heck of a trip.

Be safe.[/QUOTE]Something else worth mentioning here. SA / SB hobby activities are not for most. Yessir, NOT for most of us. Most hobbyists want their fun today, when the mood or urge hits. Waiting for your planned "rendezvous" to happen in a couple of days, or in a week or so may not be your cup of tea. If so, this isn't likely to be much fun. It takes a bit of time and trust before things progress to where an "as needed or requested" feature is available.

Kinda the reason I'm not fully a convert yet.

M. Yepthatsm, Your thoughts. In the ballpark here?

Others care to comment?

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3628385]About once a week we fit a date into our busy schedules.

I do not pay her extra for the actual 1 or 2 hour pure sex time. So this coming Friday it will cost me around $300-$400 for an all day date which will include a couple hours of fucking and sucking.

My number 2 lady is paid directly pay for play. We get together about once a week. $200 per session which could last up to 3 hours depending on our schedules. We also do lunch dates where we just talk and hang out and enjoy each other's company.[/QUOTE]Okay, this makes more sense then. Basically higher-class, more time like a casual dating scenario because it's going to have some grounding to it -- but in the end, you get more Time spent for the $$, and quality sex-time for the $ than just about any high-class provider. It makes financial sense, especially when you find value in role-playing as a guy going out in general with her (related to shopping too of course). I don't find much ROI in certain scenarios of simulating as BF / GF when going out at it leading directly to costs (shopping, etc) -- but hey, if she's hot, cool, and genuinely friendly. I'd rather do that than pay $400 for a 2 hour sex visit with an upscale chick.

Autumn update, she has not responded to me today, I will let you know when her phone is working again.

Got the privilege of meeting her, and it was easy to setup. She responded back right away. Made me feel like a high schooler again because having fun in the car and not getting caught! Wow those boobs! And a nice booty! 30 minutes for 120 well worth it in my opinion. Benz she's a gem! Hoping to repeat soon.

[QUOTE=Charlie441;3629205]Okay, this makes more sense then. Basically higher-class, more time like a casual dating scenario because it's going to have some grounding to it -- but in the end, you get more Time spent for the $$, and quality sex-time for the $ than just about any high-class provider. It makes financial sense, especially when you find value in role-playing as a guy going out in general with her (related to shopping too of course). I don't find much ROI in certain scenarios of simulating as BF / GF when going out at it leading directly to costs (shopping, etc) -- but hey, if she's hot, cool, and genuinely friendly. I'd rather do that than pay $400 for a 2 hour sex visit with an upscale chick.[/QUOTE]Upscale girls on sa are 500 minimum or so per meet LOL. If they do "pay per play" instead of monthly allowance. Normal looking ones anywhere from 200 to 300 depending on your looks and negotiating skills. But a meet is always at least 3-4 hrs so it's just a different thing altogether. I am intrigued about "secret benefits", I've been on sa for may years and talking with one girl slowly at a time on "secret benefits" sounds better than talking to hundreds girls at once because your membership expires in a month and you feel like you have to collect as many numbers as humanely possible to be able to burn thru them later.

Does the hobby equivalent of trivago exist?

You and I should start one and we could make a ton of money. LOL.

[QUOTE=Amaregraeco;3629642]Does the hobby equivalent of trivago exist?[/QUOTE]

Saw Autumn yesterday. She is everything that Benz reported. Very sweet girl with a ala carte menu. And like Irish guy reported it feels like you're back in high school with her and car dates. Contact was through Benz and available to seniors only. Will repeat.

[QUOTE=Stroker417;3629791]Saw Autumn yesterday. She is everything that Benz reported. Very sweet girl with a ala carte menu. And like Irish guy reported it feels like you're back in high school with her and car dates. Contact was through Benz and available to seniors only. Will repeat.[/QUOTE]If you haven't made contact with Autumn through her phone yet just hold her info.

Utr's are on and off again and I will let you know when she's on again.

Christmas shopping has a way of creating the need to suck and fuck us again soon.

Thick Latina is working all through the holidays and is living in a nice hotel. I reviewed her in the BP reviews section
Happy Holidays.

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3629724]You and I should start one and we could make a ton of money. LOL.[/QUOTE]I mean seriously. Think about it. What are most hobbyists trying to find? A decent time at a reasonable fee, right? Think about Angie's List, eHarmony, and Trivago, and apply their conceptual niche to this endeavor. You can search for a car, a house, a loan, a meal, and candidate significant others easier than finding a decent time.

[QUOTE=Amaregraeco;3629642]Does the hobby equivalent of trivago exist?[/QUOTE]How's the system you're developing coming along?

I see there's been lots of SA (and similar sites) discussion in the last few days since I was last on. These sugar-dating sites are my main hobbying focus now, have been for a couple of years. Every once in a while I get the urge for something quick and look on BP, but it's getting more and more rare.

It's right in the name: "sugar-DATING". Most of the girls expect to be treated like a date, not just meet in a hotel room for a quickie. You're always going to see the equivalent of BP ads for that sort of thing. On the sugar-dating sites, you need to expect to spend some time getting to know the girl (online messages and in person). They want to be treated like a date, not a hooker.

As for expense, you're always going to be able to find a way to get your nut off quicker and cheaper on BP. No worries if that's what you're after, that's what those girls are there for! For sugar sites, you'll usually need to be willing to invest time as well as money. I've had girls literally message me for months before we finally got together, and once you do meet in person there's the "dating" aspect. I generally end up parting with around 400 on a date, 200-300 to the girl (sometimes direct, sometimes gifts) and 100-200 on food / drinks / event tickets / etc. That can vary by girl, of course, I've gone as high as 800 and as low as 80.

In exchange, you get generally younger and better-looking girls who don't do the jaded professional performance of the average BP provider. They're often inexperienced (particularly compared to us well-traveled mongers) but almost always enthusiastic about the sex once you get to that point. Don't expect a great BJ or Greek or whatever right off the bat, but in my experience performance improves as you go along. Several hours of playtime is common, and overnights happen regularly.

Right now I'm seeing two, a 23 year old nurse and a 22 year old mall salesclerk. In sheer looks, both are better than 75% of the pictures on BP, and thus 99% of the actual BP girls. Neither would look out of place on a college cheerleading squad. Try finding that at any price on BP! I'm doing 250/ week for the 23 yo, instead of a per-meeting amount, because she likes getting together more often. The 22 yo prefers per-meeting and is usually only available a couple times a month, generally give her 400 a visit. Both have spent the night at my place a couple of times as well as shorter get-togethers.

So it really boils down to what you're looking for. Just a quick nut, for the lowest cost, minimal overlap with civilian life? Stay on BP. Got more time to spend, want to avoid the "professional lay" aspect, ok with following up false leads until you get a good one? Sugar sites can have really good rewards.