The Rat Trap

[QUOTE=Camera3;2383354]I would love to be able to make appointments we both keep, but I also know that life happens. That is where it gets to be an issue. I, like it seems many of us, work on windows of opportunity.
[/QUOTE]I also agree with both J&C3. I think you have two stacks to pick from. First time and repeat. The first time encounter which provides new variety can be complicated and risky under time restraint, due to verification and checking credentials requirements.

The repeat is pretty much is about availability. If I am making a last minute arrangement I want to do it with someone I know and that knows me. Once an availability is matched I can just say OK I am on my way and text once on location, I am home.

The hunt for new is the one that we run into most of the other scenarios. Delay, bait and switch, management hustle, LEO, and the list goes on. For those possibilities if I wanted to reverse the process I would not want it with someone new.

Also if I wanted to repeat then I want to pick how I want my itch to be scratched, as mood and talent varies. So I would rather go down the list and hope the hunt is successful. I do like receiving a message on PM or burner voice or text, hey thinking of you. Sometimes that all it takes to tip the scale.

Conclusion, it is best to be in charge rather than putting your business out for all to see.

[QUOTE=Redsox2005;2383360]One more thing, I do have a GF who lives with me. So I call or text a lady in my small window of opportunity, then 4-6 hours later I get a text or my phone rings, oops, how do I explain that. Who's calling? Who texted you? Man, now I'm screwed.

Sox man out.[/QUOTE]Know what you are talking about. I have called two or three girls one after another only to get no answers on any of them. So I leave messages on all three and out of the three I'm lucky if one will call back and normally is it like you said hours later or when I'm in the middle of banging a dream. I guess that's just the way it goes some times.

Jazak.

[QUOTE=FloridaSun;2383374]I also agree with both J&C3. I think you have two stacks to pick from. First time and repeat. The first time encounter which provides new variety can be complicated and risky under time restraint, due to verification and checking credentials requirements.

The repeat is pretty much is about availability. If I am making a last minute arrangement I want to do it with someone I know and that knows me. I can just say OK I am on my way and text once on location, I am home.

The new is the one that we run into most other scenarios. Delay, bait and switch, management hustle, LEO, and the list goes on. For those possibilities if I wanted to reverse the process I would not want it with someone new.

Also if I wanted to repeat I want to pick how I want my itch to be scratched, as mood and talent varies. So I would rather go down the list and hope the hunt is successful. I do like receiving a message on PM or burner voice or text, hey thinking of you. Sometimes that all it takes to tip the scale.

Conclusion, it is best to be in charge and put your business out for all to see.[/QUOTE]That's great then you put all your business out for everyone to see. My business will stay some what private.

Also I have had just as much trouble trying to see known providers who have good reputations simply because they do not answer their phones and are very slow to reply to PM's or emails (4 to 6 hrs or more to reply). I have been wanting to see NaNa for a long time now because she is very beautiful and provides a great service but she mainly works with text only. If I call she does not answer if I PM or email her the response is normally 4 hrs or longer. I understand that she has gotten use to using texting over the years and that is what works best for her. So for that reason I do not know if I will ever get to see her. No I'm not getting texting I spend enough time on this damn computer typing already. I think if the providers want the clients then it is up to them to use texting, Voice phone, PM's, Emails in a timely manor and that does not mean you have to always answer the phone just check you voice messages frequently and return calls ASAP not 4-6 hrs or later. NaNa I mean no disrespect to you as I know you are a good provider do the best you can and I still hope to visit you some day some how.

[QUOTE=Swaganna;2381935]Well truth is, I'm having the best time at my new stomping ground. Daytona gents are awesome and have been very kind to me. I actually came to the conclusion that I don't need to blast the fool that thought I cared. I'm me, I'm not fake, I don't sugar coat anything and I get my yearly douchebag vaccine so douchebaggery doesn't effect me and my WK armor is made out of that stuff dudes go shark diving in so flame on I don't fear the spear. I know you don't understand my method of madness like my advertising strategy. Example, my daytona ad has a statement letting future wannabe leeches that it is a waste of time to send me poems, I'm fucking Batgirl. Management and pimps are not welcome and I let it be known. Guess what, no texts not even douchebag ones.

Miss you Daddy.

Savanna.[/QUOTE]Have fun in Daytona Savanna. Hope you get sand up your crack! LOL.

Love Ya!

Jazak.

[QUOTE=Swaganna;2382526]And I was beginning to think I was the only one. Don't forger the "wuts good ". Liked your post.

Savanna.[/QUOTE]Are so on the money with this. Guys call or text with the crap, "Hey how much to have you come over and fuck me? Or "Are you a true GFE?" or just anything along those lines that should NEVER be crossed. LEO isn't stupid they know what the hell those little abbreviations stand for and your ass will and can recieve a free set of silver bracelets that comes along with a free ride just for saying one word "YES".

Britt mentioned that a guy set the appointment was driving over and said something along the lines of "Hope you're ready for a good fucking" SERIOUSLY. Any and all of these gets you no appointment, number blocked and I will text the ladies I know and give them a heads up. You may be legitimate but I'm not willing to take that chance. Besides if you're truly in the "Hobby World" you KNOW not to ask questions.

So guys do your research, look the lady you're interested in seeing up on here, go check out her website any and questions you may have will be answered. Something else, when you see a lady put up a review of your time together, doesn't have to be a xxx novel just something short and classy the rest can be in back channels. (Ladies RESPOND to the gentlemans review in kind) That will get you in the door and between the sheets a lot faster I guarantee it.

Love To ALL

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT always Play HARD.

[QUOTE=Jazak;2383396]That's great then you put all your business out for everyone to see. My business will stay some what private.
[/QUOTE]I meant to say keep your business out of view.

On the other point when you are looking on short notice the best you can hope for is a roll in the hay. I have often opted for a message and extras, just to keep it simple. I guess it is hard to be the planner when 50% of the population controls 100% of the access points.

We are really just a small town when it comes entertainment options.

FS.

[QUOTE=Mystical0945;2383531]Are so on the money with this. Guys call or text with the crap, "Hey how much to have you come over and fuck me? Or "Are you a true GFE?" or just anything along those lines that should NEVER be crossed. LEO isn't stupid they know what the hell those little abbreviations stand for and your ass will and can recieve a free set of silver bracelets that comes along with a free ride just for saying one word "YES".

Britt mentioned that a guy set the appointment was driving over and said something along the lines of "Hope you're ready for a good fucking" SERIOUSLY. Any and all of these gets you no appointment, number blocked and I will text the ladies I know and give them a heads up. You may be legitimate but I'm not willing to take that chance. Besides if you're truly in the "Hobby World" you KNOW not to ask questions.

So guys do your research, look the lady you're interested in seeing up on here, go check out her website any and questions you may have will be answered. Something else, when you see a lady put up a review of your time together, doesn't have to be a xxx novel just something short and classy the rest can be in back channels. (Ladies RESPOND to the gentlemans review in kind) That will get you in the door and between the sheets a lot faster I guarantee it.

Love To ALL

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT always Play HARD.[/QUOTE]You are spot on darlin. Very nice post.

This is great conversation.

Ashley, you are dead on. So was Brittney. And Savanna. But I have to say, all us guys can go on are your ads and the reviews. Case in point, there is a young SP that advertises on here that has only done BJ and never does FS. She recently advertised she is now GFE. Well, surprise! She isn't. At least, not by the definition most of us put on the acronym. What she thought it meant and what it means are not the same thing. She now knows and has clarified it.

Face it, here are the things us guys want to know. Do you kiss? Do you do BBBJ or is it CBJ? Fucking is understood unless you say differently. And what is the donation? I want to know if you upsell because that is a game ender for me. Other than that, we do want to know how much of a flake you are. We all understand that life happens but there are certain SP's that are just always living a high drama life. There is a certain SP that advertises on here that is always, always, always running late, like an hour late. For in call, no less. But those that wait it out or have figured out that you just have to threaten to leave to get in the door, she is a wonderfully good time.

And, oh yeah, none of us want to get arrested for anything, or, for that matter, have our face on the 11 pm news even if we didn't get arrested.

But at some point, we have to know how much, and we need to come to an understanding of what is going to happen while we are together. Guess what? Putting those two things together in any way is illegal. So, how do we do it?

Our struggle, and your struggle, is to always find the middle. Figure out how to get word to me that you are what I am looking for today and, assuming I can put the Marios together, I am there and we will have a fun time.

There is a certain provider that advertises on here that gives discounts for making appointments a day ahead of time. And she is famous for keeping in touch when stuff happens in her life. I, personally, think that is a brilliant way to run a business. Some of you spell it out completely on your ads on every detail of what to expect and your reviews tell the rest. That works well.

I also agree, it is welcome if a SP validates a monger, especially a newbie. Face it, you can have hundreds of posts that mean nothing or you can have a very few with a couple of validations and you are golden.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

C3.

[QUOTE=Mystical0945;2383531]Are so on the money with this. Guys call or text with the crap, "Hey how much to have you come over and fuck me? Or "Are you a true GFE?" or just anything along those lines that should NEVER be crossed. LEO isn't stupid they know what the hell those little abbreviations stand for and your ass will and can recieve a free set of silver bracelets that comes along with a free ride just for saying one word "YES".

Britt mentioned that a guy set the appointment was driving over and said something along the lines of "Hope you're ready for a good fucking" SERIOUSLY. Any and all of these gets you no appointment, number blocked and I will text the ladies I know and give them a heads up. You may be legitimate but I'm not willing to take that chance. Besides if you're truly in the "Hobby World" you KNOW not to ask questions.

So guys do your research, look the lady you're interested in seeing up on here, go check out her website any and questions you may have will be answered. Something else, when you see a lady put up a review of your time together, doesn't have to be a xxx novel just something short and classy the rest can be in back channels. (Ladies RESPOND to the gentlemans review in kind) That will get you in the door and between the sheets a lot faster I guarantee it.

Love To ALL

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT always Play HARD.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Camera3;2384081]

But at some point, we have to know how much, and we need to come to an understanding of what is going to happen while we are together. Guess what? Putting those two things together in any way is illegal. So, how do we do it?

Our struggle, and your struggle, is to always find the middle. Figure out how to get word to me that you are what I am looking for today and, assuming I can put the Marios together, I am there and we will have a fun time.


C3.[/QUOTE]Very helpful conversation.

I would like to see menu items even if it is camouflaged or coded in your ad text, because If you say It I do not have to ask you, then we do not have to say anything illegal.

My only allowed question is what is your rate for the time selected. Once you say the fee the only thing that can be said is where and when. All other conversation should be withheld till the deed is done.

That's how I play on first dates or if I am asking about a special. However, I do not normally experience the same clarity. I would rather on those cases not get the desired service than risking illegal conversation. I walked into a date and the SP asked to do Leo check and I gave her a viewing. When she did not counter I went on full alert for carful words and action so when she said what do you want to do, I simply said hang out and have conversation. I would rather lose the an escort fee than pay lawyers and court fees.

I have asked ladies after the deed, for future reference what are your limits. I expect a straight forward answer like I do not do this or I do that on selected basis "code for extra fee". You will be surprised how many are stumped by that question. It is better that you state your preferences rather than have the guy go on a hunt.

Clear, short, and sweet thats how we need talk.

[QUOTE=Mystical0945;2383531]Are so on the money with this. Guys call or text with the crap, "Hey how much to have you come over and fuck me? Or "Are you a true GFE?" or just anything along those lines that should NEVER be crossed. LEO isn't stupid they know what the hell those little abbreviations stand for and your ass will and can recieve a free set of silver bracelets that comes along with a free ride just for saying one word "YES".

Britt mentioned that a guy set the appointment was driving over and said something along the lines of "Hope you're ready for a good fucking" SERIOUSLY. Any and all of these gets you no appointment, number blocked and I will text the ladies I know and give them a heads up. You may be legitimate but I'm not willing to take that chance. Besides if you're truly in the "Hobby World" you KNOW not to ask questions.

So guys do your research, look the lady you're interested in seeing up on here, go check out her website any and questions you may have will be answered. Something else, when you see a lady put up a review of your time together, doesn't have to be a xxx novel just something short and classy the rest can be in back channels. (Ladies RESPOND to the gentlemans review in kind) That will get you in the door and between the sheets a lot faster I guarantee it.

Love To ALL



Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT always Play HARD.[/QUOTE]In a perfect world, us hobbyists would be able to read an advertisement and if necessary supplement it with some research on this forum and have all answers to our expectations known without having to ask questions thus creating a record in the form of tex or phone conversation recorded. But that is often not the case as some SPs do not list donations. So I ask the forum as part of my never ending quest for better self insurance, how does one arrive at a meeting of the minds with the lady in advance so that proper Mario coinage is present in one's pocket if there is no discussion in this area. What is the trick? I don't want to bring a bank and risk getting rolled? Also, I may not want to see a SP if it is, in fact, going to break the bank. If the donation is not clear from advertisement or research, how does one go about (exactly) acquiring the knowledge without some discussion that can be used against you? I've thought using a burner phone that is not traceable allows for the flow of info in a protected way. But many providers have a two call system which means that burner becomes a liability cause you got to carry it to the event, even if you leave it in the car. Unfortunately, I haven't mastered the volcun mind meld during mish (vmish) to know the unspoken donation to leave as a tip after the deed for time only. Any advise would be appreciated. FH69.

[QUOTE=Camera3;2384081]This is great conversation.

Ashley, you are dead on. So was Brittney. And Savanna. But I have to say, all us guys can go on are your ads and the reviews. Case in point, there is a young SP that advertises on here that has only done BJ and never does FS. She recently advertised she is now GFE. Well, surprise! She isn't. At least, not by the definition most of us put on the acronym. What she thought it meant and what it means are not the same thing. She now knows and has clarified it.

Face it, here are the things us guys want to know. Do you kiss? Do you do BBBJ or is it CBJ? Fucking is understood unless you say differently. And what is the donation? I want to know if you upsell because that is a game ender for me. Other than that, we do want to know how much of a flake you are. We all understand that life happens but there are certain SP's that are just always living a high drama life. There is a certain SP that advertises on here that is always, always, always running late, like an hour late. For in call, no less. But those that wait it out or have figured out that you just have to threaten to leave to get in the door, she is a wonderfully good time.

And, oh yeah, none of us want to get arrested for anything, or, for that matter, have our face on the 11 pm news even if we didn't get arrested.

But at some point, we have to know how much, and we need to come to an understanding of what is going to happen while we are together. Guess what? Putting those two things together in any way is illegal. So, how do we do it?

Our struggle, and your struggle, is to always find the middle. Figure out how to get word to me that you are what I am looking for today and, assuming I can put the Marios together, I am there and we will have a fun time.

There is a certain provider that advertises on here that gives discounts for making appointments a day ahead of time. And she is famous for keeping in touch when stuff happens in her life. I, personally, think that is a brilliant way to run a business. Some of you spell it out completely on your ads on every detail of what to expect and your reviews tell the rest. That works well.

I also agree, it is welcome if a SP validates a monger, especially a newbie. Face it, you can have hundreds of posts that mean nothing or you can have a very few with a couple of validations and you are golden.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

C3.[/QUOTE]Very useful conversation. I always look for menu and rate info. Hate having to ask. You are never going to get rid of the guys that think being vulgar is He-man stuff it helps a lot. The only thing left is special request stuff. IMO.

Great convo, indeed. Both providers and mongers could learn a lot about the benefits of discretion, courtesy, professionalism and a little bit of common sense here.

[QUOTE=Fisherman0317;2384571]Very useful conversation. I always look for menu and rate info. Hate having to ask. You are never going to get rid of the guys that think being vulgar is He-man stuff it helps a lot. The only thing left is special request stuff. IMO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunHobby69;2384551]In a perfect world, us hobbyists would be able to read an advertisement and if necessary supplement it with some research on this forum and have all answers to our expectations known without having to ask questions thus creating a record in the form of tex or phone conversation recorded. But that is often not the case as some SPs do not list donations. So I ask the forum as part of my never ending quest for better self insurance, how does one arrive at a meeting of the minds with the lady in advance so that proper Mario coinage is present in one's pocket if there is no discussion in this area. What is the trick? I don't want to bring a bank and risk getting rolled? Also, I may not want to see a SP if it is, in fact, going to break the bank. If the donation is not clear from advertisement or research, how does one go about (exactly) acquiring the knowledge without some discussion that can be used against you? I've thought using a burner phone that is not traceable allows for the flow of info in a protected way. But many providers have a two call system which means that burner becomes a liability cause you got to carry it to the event, even if you leave it in the car. Unfortunately, I haven't mastered the volcun mind meld during mish (vmish) to know the unspoken donation to leave as a tip after the deed for time only. Any advise would be appreciated. FH69.[/QUOTE]I consider that a red flag and I don't like red flags. So, if it takes a tremendous amount of effort to figure out the answer then I cross her off my list.

[QUOTE=Sillyolman;2385218]I consider that a red flag and I don't like red flags. So, if it takes a tremendous amount of effort to figure out the answer then I cross her off my list.[/QUOTE]Sillyilman, you reached the conclusion but avoided an answer to my question. If a provider doesn't list her rates, and many don't, and you can't find it in researching the forum, what do you do. Some seniors say they never discuss donations. So what effort are you referring to. Asking? Is that your "effort" you speak of? Great, thanks. Absent asking and potentially having incriminating evidence generated via tex or voice recording, what is the code, the dance around, to keep you safe, without incriminating yourself. It's a simple question. Perhaps some other hobbyists with a actual real world dreams might weight in. FH69.

I am with you, I really appreciate when a SP lists donations in the ad. I know what to expect. But all too often she doesn't. So, I ask this way, "If a gentleman wanted to make a donation to your favorite charity, what amount would you suggest?

I have no idea if that skirts the law enough but it seems to me it comes pretty damn close.

I am hoping some other guys and gals chime in on this one, especially you ladies that don't list your suggested donation. How would you like us to ask about it?

C3.

[QUOTE=FunHobby69;2384551]In a perfect world, us hobbyists would be able to read an advertisement and if necessary supplement it with some research on this forum and have all answers to our expectations known without having to ask questions thus creating a record in the form of tex or phone conversation recorded. But that is often not the case as some SPs do not list donations. So I ask the forum as part of my never ending quest for better self insurance, how does one arrive at a meeting of the minds with the lady in advance so that proper Mario coinage is present in one's pocket if there is no discussion in this area. What is the trick? I don't want to bring a bank and risk getting rolled? Also, I may not want to see a SP if it is, in fact, going to break the bank. If the donation is not clear from advertisement or research, how does one go about (exactly) acquiring the knowledge without some discussion that can be used against you? I've thought using a burner phone that is not traceable allows for the flow of info in a protected way. But many providers have a two call system which means that burner becomes a liability cause you got to carry it to the event, even if you leave it in the car. Unfortunately, I haven't mastered the volcun mind meld during mish (vmish) to know the unspoken donation to leave as a tip after the deed for time only. Any advise would be appreciated. FH69.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fisherman0317;2384571]Very useful conversation. I always look for menu and rate info. Hate having to ask. You are never going to get rid of the guys that think being vulgar is He-man stuff it helps a lot. The only thing left is special request stuff. IMO.[/QUOTE]Are very correct. We will always have those foul mouthed idiots that can't seem to save the dirty talk for the sheets. Hell I LOVE the dirty talk, but don't bring that crap to the table with your cloths on! Just sayin'.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.

[QUOTE=Camera3;2385394]I am with you, I really appreciate when a SP lists donations in the ad. I know what to expect. But all too often she doesn't. So, I ask this way, "If a gentleman wanted to make a donation to your favorite charity, what amount would you suggest?

I have no idea if that skirts the law enough but it seems to me it comes pretty damn close.

I am hoping some other guys and gals chime in on this one, especially you ladies that don't list your suggested donation. How would you like us to ask about it?

C3.[/QUOTE]I always add my website to my posting. Any and all questions can be found there. If I'm running a "Special" for the Devine gentlemen of this forum I ALWAYS put in how much of a discount and the math is very simple.

For the ladies that do not list their preference in roses and do not have a website to display this info, get with me. You will be very happy with the out come.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.

[QUOTE=SGreg1234;2385442]Did you mean 1. 2 including tip?

If not, you got taken- bad.

No disrespect to you and your opinion, but I respectfully disagree and here is why:

I have been to Magic countless times and Luxsa twice and will never go back to Luxsa. Luxsa doesn't give a GREAT table shower nor a GREAT massage. They gave a tickle / feather touch and flip then HJ. I will say the girls are friendly but they don't do anymore than Magic does on the finish, and in most cases less than magic. Try getting 2 cups or Prost. M at Luxsa. Happens every time I ask at Magic. Not to mention the girls (that I saw) at Luxsa were over represented in the ads (and several posts).[/QUOTE]I am placing this comment in the Rat Trap because I do not want to offend the sensibilities of Admin2 however it refers to a review in the Massage thread.

Been to Magic, with which SGreg1234 is fond and agree with his assessment. Going to a heavily promoted body rub place which only offers HJs for a massage is akin to buying groceries at a convenience store. You end up paying way too much for what you get. Guys have been telling me privately that girls at Luxsa are not all that and upsell for additional services if they are available at all. If that is what you are looking for, why not see an escort. Also, if you are looking for a quality massage or table shower, that is not offered at Luxsa either. Why not go to an LMT or an AMP?

[QUOTE=FloridaSun;2382735]I did not like the story either. He knew it was UCF area, if he just stayed cool and drove to the university exit and called from there, he probably be on location with in 5-10 minutes. If you send the wrong vibe you will creat a negative impression. I am not saying it did not happen, from my experience if I am seeing a girl for the first time I would not expect to get the address before I am within 5-10 minutes from the general area provided.

For full disclosure, I do not know Rachel and I am not saying this did not happen. I am saying it pays to act cool and give space for the lady's safety and privacy to be protected. When they are safe we are all safe.
Also I noticed he made a second post under different thread with same story. I think he is short on experience and created a misunderstanding.

Also sayin.

FS.[/QUOTE]Florida sun-- so basically you know absolutely nothing about the situation and just decide to chime in with your 2 cents using assumptions that have no basis in fact?

Next time if you don't have a clue about the situation at hand or have nothing useful to say its probably better to sit back and shut the fuck up. This board is supposed to be for mongers to share intel, not white knight to a providers defense anytime someone gives a negative review of them.

As I was driving she stated that she would text me the address when we hung up. You must be rather naive if you think the correct move was to keep driving 60 miles while communication went silent. As far as being short on experience that is laughable. Don't let the post count deceive you, I've likely forgotten more dreams than you've ever had.

As far as chris777 and camera3 if you've had good dreams with the provider in question I would hope that in alone would not make you question another monger's report. I don't normally dream in orlando, it is only because my area is so dry currently that I've branched out. What would I have to gain to go into another city's forums and talk bad about a provider?

As far as management, all I can say is that she handed the phone to a male. The time was around 3 am. I don't know if he was management per se or BF / drug dealer / etc. I assume if hes hanging out with a hooker at 3 am that he's hardly good news. From my experiences it does not really matter the exact relationship between the provider and males they hang around, other than its generally not good news for you the monger. And to think there aren't men in the picture is extremely naive. Theres ALWAYS one or more dudes in the picture. That there is no evidence of them is besides the point. These girls are experts at lying and hiding the truth.

[QUOTE=FunHobby69;2385284]Perhaps some other hobbyists with a actual real world dreams might weight in.[/QUOTE]Technically. TECHNICALLY. In the state of FL, you can't record a phone call or conversation without getting consent from the other party.

Of course, that doesn't exclude other parties from listening in on a phone call and testifying. But holy shit, how paranoid are we going for here?

Best case scenario for clients: Place money at the end of the session before leaving, do not talk about anything. If they take your lead (or heck, if you take their lead!) and / or nobody says "No" explicitly, then it's consensual.

NEGs for providers: You can get ripped off.

NEGs for clients: You might be getting inconsistent or missing services.

Best case scenario for providers: Receive money at the beginning of the session before starting, do not talk about anything. If they take your lead (or heck, if you take their lead!) and / or nobody says "No" explicitly, then it's consensual.

NEGs for providers: High expectations from clients, leading to poor reviews.

NEGs for clients: You going to get robbed if the provider is a POS human being that deserves to die in a fiery car crash and burnt alive. Inconsistent or missing services. Shortened / missing time.

Reviews plus a list of services provided are the only way to safeguard both parties and even then, YMMV because of how one looks / personality / environment.

[QUOTE=Camera3;2385394]I am with you, I really appreciate when a SP lists donations in the ad. I know what to expect. But all too often she doesn't. So, I ask this way, "If a gentleman wanted to make a donation to your favorite charity, what amount would you suggest?

I have no idea if that skirts the law enough but it seems to me it comes pretty damn close.

I am hoping some other guys and gals chime in on this one, especially you ladies that don't list your suggested donation. How would you like us to ask about it?

C3.[/QUOTE]Is a matter of how far a prosecutor is willing to twist the words, and how much of a judge's time they are willing to waste. To put into perspective a question like that is close to iron clad as long as it is in context, and it flows out naturally during a conversation. To state it outright might raise eyebrows, but you can always supplement it, I. E. You asked because you are raising money for a charity you love. This is just an example, and may be that it flies out towards left field, but they still have to prove your guilt, not the other way around. So now they have to show your location, past charity history, etc (an investigation can run up into the tens of thousands). Not worth their time, and if they do, a judge will shoot them down in a heartbeat (court costs into the thousands). Let us remember they are looking for easy targets that can serve as free PR, or as they call it, optics. So just be creative as C3 did. Remember there is never a perfect solution, as there are no one size fits all ideas. Risk is inherent and must be weighed in every single time, so the best anyone can do is to minimize it as much as possible.

[QUOTE=Leftexit;2385731]Florida sun-- so basically you know absolutely nothing about the situation and just decide to chime in with your 2 cents using assumptions that have no basis in fact?

Next time if you don't have a clue about the situation at hand or have nothing useful to say its probably better to sit back and shut the fuck up. This board is supposed to be for mongers to share intel, not white knight to a providers defense anytime someone gives a negative review of them.

As I was driving she stated that she would text me the address when we hung up. You must be rather naive if you think the correct move was to keep driving 60 miles while communication went silent. As far as being short on experience that is laughable. Don't let the post count deceive you, I've likely forgotten more dreams than you've ever had.

As far as chris777 and camera3 if you've had good dreams with the provider in question I would hope that in alone would not make you question another monger's report. I don't normally dream in orlando, it is only because my area is so dry currently that I've branched out. What would I have to gain to go into another city's forums and talk bad about a provider?

As far as management, all I can say is that she handed the phone to a male. The time was around 3 am. I don't know if he was management per se or BF / drug dealer / etc. I assume if hes hanging out with a hooker at 3 am that he's hardly good news. From my experiences it does not really matter the exact relationship between the provider and males they hang around, other than its generally not good news for you the monger. And to think there aren't men in the picture is extremely naive. Theres ALWAYS one or more dudes in the picture. That there is no evidence of them is besides the point. These girls are experts at lying and hiding the truth.[/QUOTE]As I said in my last post on this subject I am not questioning another members bad review on a SP, I stated that TWICE if you read my last post however I only offered MY personal experience with this young lady. Could a male had picked up her phone? Absolutely as I was not there to listen to the call however there is definitely NO white knighting on my part! If a SP deserves a bad review by all means please post it for all to see which is exactly what you did. MY dream with her was fantastic and did not have any issues at all with her and sorry you had a bad night trying to see this SP and also I went back and read some of your prior posts on this board and it seems like you have a LOT of bad experience with SP's. I hope your dreams get better for you and I look forward to seeing continued posts from you in the future.

[QUOTE=SGreg1234;2385442]Did you mean 1. 2 including tip?

If not, you got taken- bad.

No disrespect to you and your opinion, but I respectfully disagree and here is why:

I have been to Magic countless times and Luxsa twice and will never go back to Luxsa. Luxsa doesn't give a GREAT table shower nor a GREAT massage. They gave a tickle / feather touch and flip then HJ. I will say the girls are friendly but they don't do anymore than Magic does on the finish, and in most cases less than magic. Try getting 2 cups or Prost. M at Luxsa. Happens every time I ask at Magic. Not to mention the girls (that I saw) at Luxsa were over represented in the ads (and several posts).[/QUOTE]


I agree with you on this and I believe most others on this forum that have been to Luxsa also feel the same way. Luxsa girls charge way to much for the service they offer. No table showers, rub or massage are sorry. It appears that none of the girls have been properly trained on how to do a massage much less a rub. Sense they do not offer much for the finish they should at least give you a real good massage or rub for the 1/2 or full hr but they do not. Your lucky if you get a 5 or 10 minutes of a half a*s*s rub. The girls of Luxsa are no where close to being escorts. I for one will never go back.

Equally important (at least in my humble opinion) to the services you may or may not receive at a rub place. Is the issue of safety. It wasn't too long ago that this board was lit up with links to and chatter around news stories about a raid over on Semoran and customers being walked out in handcuffs in front of TV cameras. Recently, a similar scenario played out over in WP, I believe. For many mongers, it doesn't matter whether or not they were arrested or charged with anything. Simply being there while a place was raided would be disastrous. I think that has to be a deterrent for a lot of folks.

[QUOTE=Jazak;2385991]I agree with you on this and I believe most others on this forum that have been to Luxsa also feel the same way. Luxsa girls charge way to much for the service they offer. No table showers, rub or massage are sorry. It appears that none of the girls have been properly trained on how to do a massage much less a rub. Sense they do not offer much for the finish they should at least give you a real good massage or rub for the 1/2 or full hr but they do not. Your lucky if you get a 5 or 10 minutes of a half a*s*s rub. The girls of Luxsa are no where close to being escorts. I for one will never go back.[/QUOTE]

LE,

I went back and read what I wrote just to make sure I had been fair. I think I was. I did not question your experience but only shared my own. In fact, I pointed out I was not questioning your experience. That is being quite fair, I think. I would agree with you on your points about many ladies having men in their lives in one way or another. I have to say, I do not have much first hand knowledge of this as I tend to steer clear of that kinds of stuff. I only stated I saw no evidence in her room.

I personally make a practice of adding a disclaimer when I White Knight. I do not try to hide it at all. I state it right out front. On the flip side, I think I am also an equal opportunity dick to both gentlemen and ladies when I feel it is warranted.

I have no dog in this fight. I am sorry you had a bad experience. That said, I, like Chris, noticed that you seem to be one unlucky dude in this hobby. You might want to consider taking up something more safe. See, I told you I was an equal opportunity dick.

All that said, I would appreciate it if you kept the personal attacks factual.

C3.

[QUOTE=Leftexit;2385731]Florida sun-- so basically you know absolutely nothing about the situation and just decide to chime in with your 2 cents using assumptions that have no basis in fact?

Next time if you don't have a clue about the situation at hand or have nothing useful to say its probably better to sit back and shut the fuck up. This board is supposed to be for mongers to share intel, not white knight to a providers defense anytime someone gives a negative review of them.

As I was driving she stated that she would text me the address when we hung up. You must be rather naive if you think the correct move was to keep driving 60 miles while communication went silent. As far as being short on experience that is laughable. Don't let the post count deceive you, I've likely forgotten more dreams than you've ever had.

As far as chris777 and camera3 if you've had good dreams with the provider in question I would hope that in alone would not make you question another monger's report. I don't normally dream in orlando, it is only because my area is so dry currently that I've branched out. What would I have to gain to go into another city's forums and talk bad about a provider?

As far as management, all I can say is that she handed the phone to a male. The time was around 3 am. I don't know if he was management per se or BF / drug dealer / etc. I assume if hes hanging out with a hooker at 3 am that he's hardly good news. From my experiences it does not really matter the exact relationship between the provider and males they hang around, other than its generally not good news for you the monger. And to think there aren't men in the picture is extremely naive. Theres ALWAYS one or more dudes in the picture. That there is no evidence of them is besides the point. These girls are experts at lying and hiding the truth.[/QUOTE]

I had prebooked one of the ladies that has hired me an appointment for this evening. Well an hour before the appointment the gentleman asked that she wear the exact same dress, necklace and earrings he saw in one of her pictures. No problem with that. Thirty minutes before appointment I contacted him for room number, his reply, "I can't give you the room number you have to have a key to get in so I will need to come down after you, oh yea bring covers". This appointment was booked for 5 PM we all know you can get into any hotel through the front door up until around 10 then you need a key card. I have personally been to this hotel and you never need a key card to gain access. So now we have the gentleman wanting her to wear the exact same items she wore to advertise on an adult site known for the hobby, lied about not being able to gain access then he drove the nail home when he said, " Oh bring covers". I refused to let the lady go see him. Who knows maybe the guy is on the level and is just stupid, but then again he could have given her a nice shiny set of silver bracelets and a free ride. Her safety is my #1 priority, I felt uncomfortable with the situation and all commutation was ended by me.

Anyone male or female care to chime in and give me some input would be groovy. Damn did I just say groovy, sure as hell am telling my age! LOL.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.

[QUOTE=Alligator19;2386206]Equally important (at least in my humble opinion) to the services you may or may not receive at a rub place. Is the issue of safety. It wasn't too long ago that this board was lit up with links to and chatter around news stories about a raid over on Semoran and customers being walked out in handcuffs in front of TV cameras. Recently, a similar scenario played out over in WP, I believe. For many mongers, it doesn't matter whether or not they were arrested or charged with anything. Simply being there while a place was raided would be disastrous. I think that has to be a deterrent for a lot of folks.[/QUOTE]The formal practice of intimidation and shaming started a few years back and is gaining steam.

[URL]http://rt.com/usa/us-prostitution-clients-shame-426/[/URL]

That and claiming every woman engaged in providing companionship services has been trafficked.

The prevalence of the internet and the increased capabilities of cellphones scares the hell not only out of police but also pimps.

Texting is not the best way to make a first connection. You never know who is on the other end. If you are a client responding to an ad and are asked what you are looking for the answer always is legal companionship. It is OK to ask for prices to be paid for the length of companionship - 1 hour, 1/2 hour.

If both client and provider refuse to discuss sex for money it becomes nearly impossible for LE to make a legal arrest. Should they make an illegal one, say nothing other than you want a lawyer.

The day, weeks, months that go by and no one's life has been ruined by a misdemeanor prostitution arrest will be happy one.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2385619]I am placing this comment in the Rat Trap because I do not want to offend the sensibilities of Admin2 however it refers to a review in the Massage thread.

Been to Magic, with which SGreg1234 is fond and agree with his assessment. Going to a heavily promoted body rub place which only offers HJs for a massage is akin to buying groceries at a convenience store. You end up paying way too much for what you get. Guys have been telling me privately that girls at Luxsa are not all that and upsell for additional services if they are available at all. If that is what you are looking for, why not see an escort. Also, if you are looking for a quality massage or table shower, that is not offered at Luxsa either. Why not go to an LMT or an AMP?[/QUOTE]ET has now publicly posted that he went to Magic, and by agreeing with SGreg's assessment, has basically admitted to receiving the type of services that we mongers expect when we go to one of these places. I guess he's one of us after all, huh?

I just wanted to point this out to you OT; in case you missed it. Hee Hee.

[QUOTE=Camera3;2386294]LE,

I went back and read what I wrote just to make sure I had been fair. I think I was. I did not question your experience but only shared my own. In fact, I pointed out I was not questioning your experience. That is being quite fair, I think. I would agree with you on your points about many ladies having men in their lives in one way or another. I have to say, I do not have much first hand knowledge of this as I tend to steer clear of that kinds of stuff. I only stated I saw no evidence in her room.

I personally make a practice of adding a disclaimer when I White Knight. I do not try to hide it at all. I state it right out front. On the flip side, I think I am also an equal opportunity dick to both gentlemen and ladies when I feel it is warranted.

I have no dog in this fight. I am sorry you had a bad experience. That said, I, like Chris, noticed that you seem to be one unlucky dude in this hobby. You might want to consider taking up something more safe. See, I told you I was an equal opportunity dick.

All that said, I would appreciate it if you kept the personal attacks factual.

C3.[/QUOTE]This is a follow up to my new post that I posted on a dream I had tonight with Rachel 21, posting 2nd post here in the Rat Trap. Leftexit seems to think certain members including myself are white knighting, After my excellent dream I had tonight with Rachel we talked for a few minutes and SHE not ME brought up the negative post by left exit. I will say that she told me and I quote, Christopher he plain just spooked me out on the phone. Again HER words NOT mine. I was not there so I can only try and be fair to everyone however Rachel did tell me other things that this person said to her over phone that I will keep private as I do want to disclose anyones personal business that confides in me. From what this young SP told me in regard to what he was saying over the phone I was speechless, so therefore in life there are ALWAYS two sides to every story. Not white knighting but if a monger is wrong about an approach to one of our lovely SP's then he is wrong plain and simple and left exit really should possibly stay out of Orlando since he is not from here, because that is NOT the way that we Orlando mongers treat our beautiful SP's or ANY woman for that matter.

[QUOTE=Mystical0945;2386547]I had prebooked one of the ladies that has hired me an appointment for this evening. Well an hour before the appointment the gentleman asked that she wear the exact same dress, necklace and earrings he saw in one of her pictures. No problem with that. Thirty minutes before appointment I contacted him for room number, his reply, "I can't give you the room number you have to have a key to get in so I will need to come down after you, oh yea bring covers". This appointment was booked for 5 PM we all know you can get into any hotel through the front door up until around 10 then you need a key card. I have personally been to this hotel and you never need a key card to gain access. So now we have the gentleman wanting her to wear the exact same items she wore to advertise on an adult site known for the hobby, lied about not being able to gain access then he drove the nail home when he said, " Oh bring covers". I refused to let the lady go see him. Who knows maybe the guy is on the level and is just stupid, but then again he could have given her a nice shiny set of silver bracelets and a free ride. Her safety is my #1 priority, I felt uncomfortable with the situation and all commutation was ended by me.

Anyone male or female care to chime in and give me some input would be groovy. Damn did I just say groovy, sure as hell am telling my age! LOL.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.[/QUOTE]1. He used no-no language. Check.

2. He lied. Check.

3. It felt wrong after 1 and 2.

The tactic of "wear this" and then "wait at x place" are old and used on all types of busts.

I will say hon that not only you did the right thing, I am guessing someone crashed in the local Dunkin Donuts after screwing it up. At least the DD manager, and the employees, will be happy.

P.S. It is groovy to be groovy. Never out of style, and timeless.

[QUOTE=Leftexit;2385731]Florida sun-- so basically you know absolutely nothing about the situation and just decide to chime in with your 2 cents using assumptions that have no basis in fact?

Next time if you don't have a clue about the situation at hand or have nothing useful to say its probably better to sit back and shut the fuck up. This board is supposed to be for mongers to share intel, not white knight to a providers defense anytime someone gives a negative review of them.
[/QUOTE]I stated that I am not saying the story was not true. I do not know Rachel and was not white knighting for her. This board is a public forum and I can comment on your story without your permission, and when I did, I used normal speech and not your type of language. I stand by my comments and they are a good advice for someone seeing a provider for the first time. If you were offended by being called inexperienced you should not have proven it. If with your claim of experience you could not read a lady's reluctance to give her exact address to someone she dose not know, then maybe your experience was in something else other than our subject of conversation.

You need to get a stress relief, check for anger management class starting soon in a location near you.

Stay safe and happy.

Ashley,

First, you are not old enough to use "groovy" in a sentence. All that means is you have been hanging around us old farts for far too long.

I often make special requests for clothing, so have no issue with that one. But the whole meet me outside shit is just that, total bull shit.

I do stay at hotels when I travel where you can't get up the elevator without a room key. I often ask my date to meet me in the bar, usually offering to buy her a drink before we start the clock (note, important to make that clear). I think you were right on to bail on him. Did I just use "right on" in a sentence?

I think my concern right now is, does this means the vice squad can't pull budget to rent a room and they have to arrest people in the parking lot? What has this world come to?

Or, as you said, maybe just a guy being stupid. The only time I have regretted being in this hobby was when I didn't trust my spidey senses and fell pray to a bait and switch. So, yeah, if it doesn't feel right it probably isn't right.

Just sayin'.

C3.

[QUOTE=Mystical0945;2386547]I had prebooked one of the ladies that has hired me an appointment for this evening. Well an hour before the appointment the gentleman asked that she wear the exact same dress, necklace and earrings he saw in one of her pictures. No problem with that. Thirty minutes before appointment I contacted him for room number, his reply, "I can't give you the room number you have to have a key to get in so I will need to come down after you, oh yea bring covers". This appointment was booked for 5 PM we all know you can get into any hotel through the front door up until around 10 then you need a key card. I have personally been to this hotel and you never need a key card to gain access. So now we have the gentleman wanting her to wear the exact same items she wore to advertise on an adult site known for the hobby, lied about not being able to gain access then he drove the nail home when he said, " Oh bring covers". I refused to let the lady go see him. Who knows maybe the guy is on the level and is just stupid, but then again he could have given her a nice shiny set of silver bracelets and a free ride. Her safety is my #1 priority, I felt uncomfortable with the situation and all commutation was ended by me.

Anyone male or female care to chime in and give me some input would be groovy. Damn did I just say groovy, sure as hell am telling my age! LOL.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Camera3;2387142]Ashley,

First, you are not old enough to use "groovy" in a sentence. All that means is you have been hanging around us old farts for far too long.

I often make special requests for clothing, so have no issue with that one. But the whole meet me outside shit is just that, total bull shit.

I do stay at hotels when I travel where you can't get up the elevator without a room key. I often ask my date to meet me in the bar, usually offering to buy her a drink before we start the clock (note, important to make that clear). I think you were right on to bail on him. Did I just use "right on" in a sentence?

I think my concern right now is, does this means the vice squad can't pull budget to rent a room and they have to arrest people in the parking lot? What has this world come to?

Or, as you said, maybe just a guy being stupid. The only time I have regretted being in this hobby was when I didn't trust my spidey senses and fell pray to a bait and switch. So, yeah, if it doesn't feel right it probably isn't right.

Just sayin'.

C3.[/QUOTE]I book hotels where part of their rewards system is you need a key card to get to certain floors.

[QUOTE=Fisherman0317;2387211]I book hotels where part of their rewards system is you need a key card to get to certain floors.[/QUOTE]I think there is only one spot on all I-drive that has the concierge exclusive level, and if I am wrong I apologize. What makes the issue with this unique appointment is that Ashley points out she has stayed in this particular hotel before, and it does not require key card access. Normally any hotel that has exclusive amenities also has a security apparatus in place that requires notification, and preparation, in advance.

It could have been some dummy who did something stupid, but my take is that someone had to chose between adding rooms to the fiscal year's budget and seriously cut back on donuts expenses, or screw the rooms and wing it while leaving the donuts expense intact. The verdict: Screw the rooms!

All jokes aside it could be anything. Good call by Ash.

[QUOTE=Vino7373;2386719]ET has now publicly posted that he went to Magic, and by agreeing with SGreg's assessment, has basically admitted to receiving the type of services that we mongers expect when we go to one of these places. I guess he's one of us after all, huh?

I just wanted to point this out to you OT; in case you missed it. Hee Hee.[/QUOTE]He said he went to an AMP, but offered no personal insight on his experience other than to say it was like another member, who actually did write a review. I would say that is a big stretch to say ET has now written a review, but I will agree that is as close as he has come to writing a review in his approximately 1,000 posts.

ET also put down Luxsa without ever having gone there. I have seen good and bad reviews on Luxsa by guys that did partake. My conclusion about Luxsa is that it is not for everyone. Bodyrubs in general are not for everyone. I have visited independent bodyrubs ladies like (Merlot Parker, Envea Dior and Remy) and enjoy them from time to time, but have avoided the places where there is more than one lady present. I like to go see a specific person and then it just be the two of us.

Not related, but since I am typing, I will comment on the Brandii GFE issue (another favorite topic of the reviewless ET). GFE is a good attitude, kissing, daty, BBBJ and cfs. If a lady normally allows these activities to clean and polite gentlemen, then she is GFE. From the reviews I have read, Brandii seems like a very nice young lady, but she is not GFE because she does not offer FS.

[QUOTE=Mystical0945;2386547]I had prebooked one of the ladies that has hired me an appointment for this evening. Well an hour before the appointment the gentleman asked that she wear the exact same dress, necklace and earrings he saw in one of her pictures. No problem with that. Thirty minutes before appointment I contacted him for room number, his reply, "I can't give you the room number you have to have a key to get in so I will need to come down after you, oh yea bring covers". This appointment was booked for 5 PM we all know you can get into any hotel through the front door up until around 10 then you need a key card. I have personally been to this hotel and you never need a key card to gain access. So now we have the gentleman wanting her to wear the exact same items she wore to advertise on an adult site known for the hobby, lied about not being able to gain access then he drove the nail home when he said, " Oh bring covers". I refused to let the lady go see him. Who knows maybe the guy is on the level and is just stupid, but then again he could have given her a nice shiny set of silver bracelets and a free ride. Her safety is my #1 priority, I felt uncomfortable with the situation and all commutation was ended by me.

Anyone male or female care to chime in and give me some input would be groovy. Damn did I just say groovy, sure as hell am telling my age! LOL.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.[/QUOTE]I have nothing to offer about the room situation, but by texting "bring covers" he crossed the monger / lady trust line. He probably was just stupid, but to cancel the appointment was the safe and correct call.

[QUOTE=Otwist;2387271]I have nothing to offer about the room situation, but by texting "bring covers" he crossed the monger / lady trust line. He probably was just stupid, but to cancel the appointment was the safe and correct call.[/QUOTE]The ladies that I book for their safety is my number 1 priority. Being a provider I know what to look and listen for. I know the questions to ask. Just like I know the questions that shouldn't be asked of me!

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.

[QUOTE=WilliamMstrs;2387252]I think there is only one spot on all I-drive that has the concierge exclusive level, and if I am wrong I apologize. What makes the issue with this unique appointment is that Ashley points out she has stayed in this particular hotel before, and it does not require key card access. Normally any hotel that has exclusive amenities also has a security apparatus in place that requires notification, and preparation, in advance.

It could have been some dummy who did something stupid, but my take is that someone had to chose between adding rooms to the fiscal year's budget and seriously cut back on donuts expenses, or screw the rooms and wing it while leaving the donuts expense intact. The verdict: Screw the rooms!

All jokes aside it could be anything. Good call by Ash.[/QUOTE]I know the hotel you're talking about, you need a key to get on the elevator. I stayed there once and never again!! It's was just too much of an inconvenience to my guys. Hell I like to be in something naughty when my friends come to my door and I can't run downstairs in stockings and a garter belt!

The guy wasn't in that hotel. I have never stayed in the hotel in question but I have visited friends there so I know what he was telling me was another lie.

Love To ALL.

Xoxo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.