MotorCity Mayhem

[QUOTE=Incognito1234;5079956]Wherever it came from, it doesn't matter as much as the fact that it's real and it's here.

Yes, it's true that the vast majority of the people recover but others have lingering conditions afterward and others yet, die. Even if the number of people that get it and die is 1 in 20 or slightly less (4-5% it's easy to dismiss, until it's someone you care for or love. Think of 20 people that you care for and watch one randomly die slowly. Is that ok? Is that enough to take it seriously?[/QUOTE]It's one in four hundred. The one is twenty comes from the idiots who take the number of confirmed cases and then divide that by the number of deaths. That totally ignores all the antibody testing that proves 50-80 times more people have recovered from covid than there are confirmed cases.

Fear mongers like you are why 5% of the worlds population have had their lives destroyed over the last year. Is the fact that nine million extra people are going to die due to the mitigation for a disease with a 99.74% overall survival rate enough for you to stop trying to scare people? Or are you one of the knumbskulls that think they should do it again?

Let me try this again 400,000,000 MILLION FUCKING LIVES DESTROYED so you can feel safe. In the next 5 years how many of them will die, 20,000,000? 40,000,000? Maybe 60,000,000?

Seriously, sit down and STFU.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL]

A2.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5080878]It's one in four hundred. The one is twenty comes from the idiots who take the number of confirmed cases and then divide that by the number of deaths. That totally ignores all the antibody testing that proves 50-80 times more people have recovered from covid than there are confirmed cases.

Fear mongers like you are why 5% of the worlds population have had their lives destroyed over the last year. Is the fact that nine million extra people are going to die due to the mitigation for a disease with a 99.74% overall survival rate enough for you to stop trying to scare people? Or are you one of the knumbskulls that think they should do it again?

Let me try this again 400,000,000 million fucking lives destroyed so you can feel safe. In the next 5 years how many of them will die, 20,000,000? 40,000,000? Maybe 60,000,000?

Seriously, sit down and STFU.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL]

A2.[/QUOTE]Actually he's dividing deaths by cases, not vice versa as you indicated. The real issue is hospital overflow and doctor shortage.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5080878]It's one in four hundred. The one is twenty comes from the idiots who take the number of confirmed cases and then divide that by the number of deaths. That totally ignores all the antibody testing that proves 50-80 times more people have recovered from covid than there are confirmed cases.

Fear mongers like you are why 5% of the worlds population have had their lives destroyed over the last year. Is the fact that nine million extra people are going to die due to the mitigation for a disease with a 99.74% overall survival rate enough for you to stop trying to scare people? Or are you one of the knumbskulls that think they should do it again?

Let me try this again 400,000,000 MILLION FUCKING LIVES DESTROYED so you can feel safe. In the next 5 years how many of them will die, 20,000,000? 40,000,000? Maybe 60,000,000?

Seriously, sit down and STFU.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL]

A2.[/QUOTE]First, look at the news source. Then note its a spotty series of quotes from a United Nations entity.

I'm no expert on Sub-Saharan Africa's pre-covid economy, but pretty certain it doesn't resemble our economy or even Europe, China, S. Korea, Japan etc.

Your point might be valid. You just haven't made the case. I'd love a link to prove 50-80 times more cases.

[QUOTE=TeeTime69;5081046]First, look at the news source. Then note its a spotty series of quotes from a United Nations entity.

I'm no expert on Sub-Saharan Africa's pre-covid economy, but pretty certain it doesn't resemble our economy or even Europe, China, S. Korea, Japan etc.

Your point might be valid. You just haven't made the case. I'd love a link to prove 50-80 times more cases.[/QUOTE]If we are going to turn the world upside down for this we should do the same for every flu season and lower the speed limit on the freeway to 25 mph. Not to mention buffets, cigarettes, alcohol, and junk food should be outlawed. Where does it stop?

[QUOTE=PieBoy;5080938]Actually he's dividing deaths by cases, not vice versa as you indicated. The real issue is hospital overflow and doctor shortage.[/QUOTE]The truth might be in-between "the sky is falling " and "it's just a flu ".

[QUOTE=GoodTimer88;5081184]If we are going to turn the world upside down for this we should do the same for every flu season and lower the speed limit on the freeway to 25 mph. Not to mention buffets, cigarettes, alcohol, and junk food should be outlawed. Where does it stop?[/QUOTE]Here's your confusion. We have speed limits to protect others from your recklessness, just not 25. The flu season rarely overruns hospitals. Buffets are indoor dining, therefore temporarily closed. Cigarette smoking is outlawed in most indoor public places, to protect others from your recklessness. Junk food is not contagious or effects others around you.

Easy to understand.

[QUOTE=JohnGeste;5080814]The actual fatality rate is between 0. 2 and 0. 3 percent according to Dr Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford. The fatale rate for school age children is actually higher for the common flu. The numbers stated have been verified by more than one large scale study. Yes. You might die from Covid- you might die from a lot of things and you will die from something. My advice is quit watching CNN.[/QUOTE]By Sep 19, the United States had recorded 198,589 COVID-19–related deaths, for a death rate of 0. 06%, higher than countries with low and moderate coronavirus death rates but similar to those with high death rates. For example, the death rate in Australia, considered a low-mortality country, was 0. 003%, while Canada, a moderate-mortality country, had a 0. 02% death rate.

If the coronavirus death rate in the United States were similar to that of Australia, it would have had 187,661 fewer COVID-19 deaths (94% of reported deaths), and, compared with Canada, it would have had 117,622 fewer deaths (59%.

Source: [URL]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/10/us-leads-19-nations-covid-19-all-cause-death-rates[/URL].

[QUOTE=PieBoy;5081570]Here's your confusion. We have speed limits to protect others from your recklessness, just not 25. The flu season rarely overruns hospitals. Buffets are indoor dining, therefore temporarily closed. Cigarette smoking is outlawed in most indoor public places, to protect others from your recklessness. Junk food is not contagious or effects others around you.

Easy to understand.[/QUOTE]From the CDC " Those under age 50 who get infected with the coronavirus lose less than one day of discounted quality-adjusted life expectancy; seniors age 70 or older lose nearly 90 days. ".

For seniors age 70 and older, getting Covid-19 is riskier than climbing Mt. Everest; in contrast, for those under age 20, the infection fatality risk is equivalent to driving a car for 7,500 miles.

As a nation, we have decided that a 70 mile mph speed limit is ok, even though there is indisputable evidence that many more people die every year than did when it was 55. We are ok with that. We know that cigarettes kill more people than most anything on the planet, but we are ok with that. In the name of power, money and control we have decided to sacrifice our freedom in the unwinnable "War on Death" The amount of long term psychological and economic damage that shows itself as suicide, depression, homelessness, drug addiction etc will prove that this is the largest overreaction to any event in history.

[QUOTE=HungaryMan;5081941]By Sep 19, the United States had recorded 198,589 COVID-19related deaths, for a death rate of 0. 06%, higher than countries with low and moderate coronavirus death rates but similar to those with high death rates. For example, the death rate in Australia, considered a low-mortality country, was 0. 003%, while Canada, a moderate-mortality country, had a 0. 02% death rate.

If the coronavirus death rate in the United States were similar to that of Australia, it would have had 187,661 fewer COVID-19 deaths (94% of reported deaths), and, compared with Canada, it would have had 117,622 fewer deaths (59%.

Source: [URL]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/10/us-leads-19-nations-covid-19-all-cause-death-rates[/URL].[/QUOTE]This study makes it clear our forum arguments are too narrowly focused.

Covid is responsible for a number of deaths in indirect ways. While deaths may be down from automobile crashes, cancer deaths are up from interrupted chemo treatment, heart attacks and strokes are up from people afraid to use the system. Suicides are up.

Our decentralized approach to the pandemic, coupled with our poor public health infrastructure resulted in many, many deaths.

The study provides a lot to think about. Strongly suggest you read it before commenting.

[QUOTE=TeeTime69;5082120]This study makes it clear our forum arguments are too narrowly focused.

Covid is responsible for a number of deaths in indirect ways. While deaths may be down from automobile crashes, cancer deaths are up from interrupted chemo treatment, heart attacks and strokes are up from people afraid to use the system. Suicides are up.

Our decentralized approach to the pandemic, coupled with our poor public health infrastructure resulted in many, many deaths.

The study provides a lot to think about. Strongly suggest you read it before commenting.[/QUOTE]I believe you are making the point that the Indirect deaths are related to the overreaction to Covid, rather than Covid itself. Because of the exaggerated risk, many people are choosing not to get routine medical care (like early cancer screenings) or actually being banned from going. Why were hospitals laying off thousands of employees while not being allowed to conduct routine procedures at the same time? Massive military style hospitals were created and never used. Another example; the gym I go to is usually full of older people getting exercise and much needed social interaction every morning. Now it's empty while they sit home and watch the news by themselves. My father is in a nursing home, where we have always been told that we need to visit constantly to be sure he is being well cared for. None of us has been able to see him in months. This will all add up to far more deaths and destruction than a respiratory virus could. But I suppose we can all creep around with our all-protective masks on until the government approves freedom again because they have developed a drug that says so. The same government whose guidance on diet and exercise has resulted in the most chronically diseased population in history.

Remain terrified, question nothing, stay home. Be good little sheep.

[QUOTE=Tommy101;5082268]Remain terrified, question nothing, stay home. Be good little sheep.[/QUOTE]Like my Daddy once told me you can't teach a stupid conspiracy theory loser anything aka white inbred middle-class republicans who vote out of their pay scale and lost! Smart forward thinking adults wear mask and go about their business, loser conspiracy theory morons don't wear mask and spread this trumps virus. Pathetic little fools who don't believe in Doctors and Scientists.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5082428]Like my Daddy once told me you can't teach a stupid conspiracy theory loser anything aka white inbred middle-class republicans who vote out of their pay scale and lost! Smart forward thinking adults wear mask and go about their business, [b]loser conspiracy theory morons don't wear mask and spread this trumps virus[/b]. Pathetic little fools who don't believe in Doctors and Scientists.[/QUOTE]You mean like Nancy Pelosi not wearing a mask when she got her hair done or Gavin Newsom not wearing a mask at a birthday party?

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5082428]Like my Daddy once told me you can't teach a stupid conspiracy theory loser anything aka white inbred middle-class republicans who vote out of their pay scale and lost! Smart forward thinking adults wear mask and go about their business, loser conspiracy theory morons don't wear mask and spread this trumps virus. Pathetic little fools who don't believe in Doctors and Scientists.[/QUOTE]Did daddy happen to teach you the cure for ignorance? Jay Bhattachara is an actual Doctor. He ran a series of studies in Santa Clara county, California to determine the number of people with COVID anti-bodies in their system and compared it to the number of reported cases (for the same population). The ratio was 50:1. The study has since been replicated in other areas with very similar results. [URL]https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/sensible-compassionate-anti-covid-strategy/.[/URL] Anyhow, you're a winner. I'm sure that your daddy taught you that as well. While you're working on your affliction, look up the meaning of argumentum ad hominem. In my observation it is the go to line of reasoning employed by the leftist winners. Pay attention and see if you don't agree.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5082428]Like my Daddy once told me you can't teach a stupid conspiracy theory loser anything aka white inbred middle-class republicans who vote out of their pay scale and lost! Smart forward thinking adults wear mask and go about their business, loser conspiracy theory morons don't wear mask and spread this trumps virus. Pathetic little fools who don't believe in Doctors and Scientists.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yep you nailed it man. And when gas hits 4 bucks a gallon you can kiss my ass.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5082428]Like my Daddy once told me you can't teach a stupid conspiracy theory loser anything aka white inbred middle-class republicans who vote out of their pay scale and lost! Smart forward thinking adults wear mask and go about their business, loser conspiracy theory morons don't wear mask and spread this trumps virus. Pathetic little fools who don't believe in Doctors and Scientists.[/QUOTE]You fuckers all accused trump and his supporters of being racist but look at you and your comments.

Not taking sides here.

This thing is nasty.

Check this story out [URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-long-haulers-60-minutes-2020-11-22/[/URL].

[QUOTE=JohnGeste;5083526]Did daddy happen to teach you the cure for ignorance? Jay Bhattachara is an actual Doctor. He ran a series of studies in Santa Clara county, California to determine the number of people with COVID anti-bodies in their system and compared it to the number of reported cases (for the same population). The ratio was 50:1. The study has since been replicated in other areas with very similar results. [URL]https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/sensible-compassionate-anti-covid-strategy/.[/URL] Anyhow, you're a winner. I'm sure that your daddy taught you that as well. While you're working on your affliction, look up the meaning of argumentum ad hominem. In my observation it is the go to line of reasoning employed by the leftist winners. Pay attention and see if you don't agree.[/QUOTE]I know big shot these spikes we are having is a hoax and your Daddy taught you to sux dick that's why you think your a know it all. One death is too many and if your cult leader.

Fuk wad trumps did not hide the virus from the great USA because he said on the bob woodward interview that his cult followers would have panicked while us adults would have just masked up earlier we wouldn't be in this mess. Trumps who by the way LOST and his cult following racist inbred white middle-class republicans all need to die of trumps virus so the world can be a better place. Jay bhattachara is a proven quack that only a inbred fool would believe anything that crack pot studied. Jay is so full of shit.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5083898]I know big shot these spikes we are having is a hoax and your Daddy taught you to sux dick that's why you think your a know it all. One death is too many and if your cult leader.

Fuk wad trumps did not hide the virus from the great USA because he said on the bob woodward interview that his cult followers would have panicked while us adults would have just masked up earlier we wouldn't be in this mess. Trumps who by the way LOST and his cult following racist inbred white middle-class republicans all need to die of trumps virus so the world can be a better place. Jay bhattachara is a proven quack that only a inbred fool would believe anything that crack pot studied. Jay is so full of shit.[/QUOTE]This has to be a joke right?

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5083898]I know big shot these spikes we are having is a hoax and your Daddy taught you to sux dick that's why you think your a know it all. One death is too many and if your cult leader.

Fuk wad trumps did not hide the virus from the great USA because he said on the bob woodward interview that his cult followers would have panicked while us adults would have just masked up earlier we wouldn't be in this mess. Trumps who by the way LOST and his cult following racist inbred white middle-class republicans all need to die of trumps virus so the world can be a better place. Jay bhattachara is a proven quack that only a inbred fool would believe anything that crack pot studied. Jay is so full of shit.[/QUOTE]I get the feeling you don't like Trump.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5084556]I get the feeling you don't like Trump.[/QUOTE]And this is the problem. Covid doesn't care if you like or hate Trump, Clinton, Obama or Biden. All it wants is to kill as many as it can.

Can we just try to take care of each other? Politics on this issue isn't going to solve anything. We can go back to hating each other in the fall.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5083898]I know big shot these spikes we are having is a hoax and your Daddy taught you to sux dick that's why you think your a know it all. One death is too many and if your cult leader.

Fuk wad trumps did not hide the virus from the great USA because he said on the bob woodward interview that his cult followers would have panicked while us adults would have just masked up earlier we wouldn't be in this mess. Trumps who by the way LOST and his cult following racist inbred white middle-class republicans all need to die of trumps virus so the world can be a better place. Jay bhattachara is a proven quack that only a inbred fool would believe anything that crack pot studied. Jay is so full of shit.[/QUOTE]Biden won, your welfare check (from people who actually have to pay taxes to provide all those great entitlements) will be on it's way soon.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5082428]Like my Daddy once told me you can't teach a stupid conspiracy theory loser anything aka white inbred middle-class republicans who vote out of their pay scale and lost! Smart forward thinking adults wear mask and go about their business, loser conspiracy theory morons don't wear mask and spread this trumps virus. Pathetic little fools who don't believe in Doctors and Scientists.[/QUOTE]Your posts make you come across like the inbred, unintelligent trump supporters you seem to detest so much. Actually, they seem like rhoades scholars compared to you. I thought a classy Biden guy like yourself wouldn't resort to the insults and name calling that is the M. O. Of the other side.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5083898]I know big shot these spikes we are having is a hoax and your Daddy taught you to sux dick that's why you think your a know it all. One death is too many and if your cult leader.

Fuk wad trumps did not hide the virus from the great USA because he said on the bob woodward interview that his cult followers would have panicked while us adults would have just masked up earlier we wouldn't be in this mess. Trumps who by the way LOST and his cult following racist inbred white middle-class republicans all need to die of trumps virus so the world can be a better place. Jay bhattachara is a proven quack that only a inbred fool would believe anything that crack pot studied. Jay is so full of shit.[/QUOTE]I take it that you never bothered to look up the meaning of argumentum ad hominem. In any case, you've got serious anger issues. Maybe try yoga.

[QUOTE=CommonSteve666;5084742]Your posts make you come across like the inbred, unintelligent trump supporters you seem to detest so much. Actually, they seem like rhoades scholars compared to you. I thought a classy Biden guy like yourself wouldn't resort to the insults and name calling that is the M. O. Of the other side.[/QUOTE]Politics suck but trumps rich envious white middle-class republicans take the cake for inbredness. Who on their right mind could ever support a fuk wad like trumps?

[QUOTE=BadBosco;5084726]Biden won, your welfare check (from people who actually have to pay taxes to provide all those great entitlements) will be on it's way soon.[/QUOTE]I see your one of those rich envious lemming white you lost middle-class inbred republicans who hate on their peers for getting a little extra government money but love when the rich receive BILLIONS in free government aid without a peep out of your rich envious inbred azz. Keep believing it's only the poor who get the government aid big shot. It's a joke that these cult following lemming white middle-class republicans voting out of their pay scale and not hating on the rich for taking the lions share of government aid. Trumps suks dik 2020 lock him up, no more bullshit!

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5085074]I see your one of those rich envious lemming white you lost middle-class inbred republicans who hate on their peers for getting a little extra government money but love when the rich receive BILLIONS in free government aid without a peep out of your rich envious inbred azz. Keep believing it's only the poor who get the government aid big shot. It's a joke that these cult following lemming white middle-class republicans voting out of their pay scale and not hating on the rich for taking the lions share of government aid. Trumps suks dik 2020 lock him up, no more bullshit![/QUOTE]Here's my 2 cents whether you want it or not. I have no problem with people receiving assistance if they are truly in need and can't work. It's when they can work and they're on the dole rather than work. In regards to the rich, they're working and chances are they're "rich" because they worked for it. A concept some welfare recipients don't understand!.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5085062]Politics suck but trumps rich envious white middle-class republicans take the cake for inbredness. Who on their right mind could ever support a fuk wad like trumps?[/QUOTE]For starters, Intelligent people who don't want our guns taxed, magazine limits, ammo taxed which all equates to more guns on the black market and into the hands of criminals who will NOT register their firearm (s) and be used in violent crimes. The idiotic Democrats believe raising taxes is the answer even after proven it hasn't for the last several decades. Cutting spending is the key to solving the financial burden but that doesn't happen because politicians won't receive money in their pockets from the bribes or lobbyists. Further, if you believe Trump and republicans are the only rich people, then you're a bigger fool than what you display. Most, if not all, politicians are silver spoon fed career oriented greedy and corrupt business people living the high life from our taxes. You rant about inbred acts yet ignore the most embarrassing and despicable display of the last 4 years by Pelosi and her childish followers, yet call Trump out for acting the child. Hypocrisy must be your strong point. Bottom line, BOTH parties got us in this mess and only a fool believes either one will get us out.

[QUOTE=RayLatoole;5085717]Here's my 2 cents whether you want it or not. I have no problem with people receiving assistance if they are truly in need and can't work. It's when they can work and they're on the dole rather than work. In regards to the rich, they're working and chances are they're "rich" because they worked for it. A concept some welfare recipients don't understand!.[/QUOTE]Not many self made "rich" people I think. Most got it thru inheritance. Take Trump for example. All his crap is from his father.

Now I do believe its very possible to be self made "rich" person. Investing at a very young age using various means such as 401 k / Roth IRA / HSA / etc. Are all great ways to become a millionaire or very close to it by retirement time.

But they're making it harder to do that when we have these lockdowns but no stimulus.

I agree with your first opinion. If Government is going to lockdown and force people / small businesses to lose money or whatever, then we should receive assistance via UnEmployment and Stimulus. WTF is $1200 going to do? Other countries are able to do monthly payments and they are controlling this virus better than the US because of how divided we are. Yes Pelosi should've taken the 1 trillion something before but I still doubt McConnell (worst POS) would've allowed it to go through, yet people in Kentucky keep voting for him so he can fuck them over more LOL.

[QUOTE=SenorVac;5086277]Not many self made "rich" people I think. Most got it thru inheritance. Take Trump for example. All his crap is from his father.

Now I do believe its very possible to be self made "rich" person. Investing at a very young age using various means such as 401 k / Roth IRA / HSA / etc. Are all great ways to become a millionaire or very close to it by retirement time.

But they're making it harder to do that when we have these lockdowns but no stimulus.

I agree with your first opinion. If Government is going to lockdown and force people / small businesses to lose money or whatever, then we should receive assistance via UnEmployment and Stimulus. WTF is $1200 going to do? Other countries are able to do monthly payments and they are controlling this virus better than the US because of how divided we are. Yes Pelosi should've taken the 1 trillion something before but I still doubt McConnell (worst POS) would've allowed it to go through, yet people in Kentucky keep voting for him so he can fuck them over more LOL.[/QUOTE]The fact that you think that an "HSA" is a good method to become a millionaire is exactly why you will never be one. Rich people have one thing in common that the average person does not have. They are willing to work extra to obtain what they want. Some come up with good ideas and some help others implement good ideas. You call us envious but its you sir who has the jealous bone.

[QUOTE=Tommy101;5086540]The fact that you think that an "HSA" is a good method to become a millionaire is exactly why you will never be one. Rich people have one thing in common that the average person does not have. They are willing to work extra to obtain what they want. Some come up with good ideas and some help others implement good ideas. You call us envious but its you sir who has the jealous bone.[/QUOTE]Getting to a net worth of $1 m isn't that hard. Living a millionaire lifestyle isn't the same and definitely harder.

Most people are risk adverse with investment, don't start early enough, give in to immediate gratification, and lack creativity. They lack any knowledge of using OPM.

[QUOTE=Tommy101;5083536]LOL. Yep you nailed it man. And when gas hits 4 bucks a gallon you can kiss my ass.[/QUOTE]Wait till the caravans of illegal immigrants starting pouring into the country by the tens of thousands getting free everything. Your tax dollars hard at work.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5083898]I know big shot these spikes we are having is a hoax and your Daddy taught you to sux dick that's why you think your a know it all. One death is too many and if your cult leader.

Fuk wad trumps did not hide the virus from the great USA because he said on the bob woodward interview that his cult followers would have panicked while us adults would have just masked up earlier we wouldn't be in this mess. Trumps who by the way LOST and his cult following racist inbred white middle-class republicans all need to die of trumps virus so the world can be a better place. Jay bhattachara is a proven quack that only a inbred fool would believe anything that crack pot studied. Jay is so full of shit.[/QUOTE]Could you please re-post this, I can't make heads or tails out of what the hell you are trying to say. Spelling, punctuation, and grammar go a long way when you want people to understand your post.

[QUOTE=GoodTimer88;5084499]This has to be a joke right?[/QUOTE]If you read SmoothDriver past posts you can tell the Detroit school system didn't do much for him. I think he's just butthurt because Trump didn't pardon Kwame Kilpatrick.

[QUOTE=BadBosco;5084726]Biden won, your welfare check (from people who actually have to pay taxes to provide all those great entitlements) will be on it's way soon.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[quote=badbosco;5084726]biden won, your welfare check (from people who actually have to pay taxes to provide all those great entitlements) will be on it's way soon.[/quote]lol! 👍128514;128514;128514;.

[QUOTE=Tommy101;5086540]The fact that you think that an "HSA" is a good method to become a millionaire is exactly why you will never be one. Rich people have one thing in common that the average person does not have. They are willing to work extra to obtain what they want. Some come up with good ideas and some help others implement good ideas. You call us envious but its you sir who has the jealous bone.[/QUOTE]I probably shouldn't have included HSAs tbh. But they're still more helpful than your average. 01% interest on your local bank. 401 k / Roth and putting them into stocks is really the best way to go.

Also I'm not sure where the hell you got "envious" because I never said that, but oh well. I can clearly see you're a Trump supporter.

Honestly I don't believe that even with Biden we'd get a stimulus check. Pelosi / McConnell can't seem to agree on anything. I hope I'm wrong so we'll see by Christmas time when stuff expires.

[QUOTE=SenorVac;5087796]I probably shouldn't have included HSAs tbh. But they're still more helpful than your average. 01% interest on your local bank. 401 k / Roth and putting them into stocks is really the best way to go.

Also I'm not sure where the hell you got "envious" because I never said that, but oh well. I can clearly see you're a Trump supporter.

Honestly I don't believe that even with Biden we'd get a stimulus check. Pelosi / McConnell can't seem to agree on anything. I hope I'm wrong so we'll see by Christmas time when stuff expires.[/QUOTE]If you take away anything from this bullshit pandemic it should be that you can only count on yourself to provide for you and loved ones. The government sure as fuck will not do it. Stop putting your money into the hsa and keep some ash on hand for a rainy day. The fact you have your hand out waiting on a Christmas check clearly shows me your a trump hater.

Mayhem beats them hands down. I thought we were all in this (hobbby) together?

Where's the love?

[QUOTE=HeadsUp313;5087449]Well said.[/QUOTE]Rich envious lemming white middle-class republicans ALWAYS forget that the rich republicans aka Moscow Mitch and his commey gang get billions in welfare from the government during this trumps virus but lemming middle-class republicans bark like seals in joy when the rich gets welfare but if the needy and middle-class get some government aid it's the lemming rich envious white middle-class republicans who call these people in need mooches and say get to work. Why no hating on the rich for all the welfare government aid they receive white lemming middle-class republicans? Being rich envious like lemming white middle-class republicans is pathetic. Being white doesn't make you anything like Moscow Mitch or idiot trumps white lemming racist middle-class republicans. White middle-class republicans need to grow some balls and act like a adult not like a stupid conspiracy thinking rich envious racist.