Safe Sex Information and Advice

[QUOTE=Barry101;3644460]I am not saying that I would engage in unprotected sex with a massage girl if she initiated it and assured me she was safe, but, what do you guys think?

Some of these massage girls seem cleaner than the girls who get picked up for one night stands?

A lot of my friends sleep with tons of women and never wear condoms. I know that it only takes one time to get a bad STD but if the girl isn't a drug user and is clean?

Just curious.

Thank you.

Barry.[/QUOTE]"safety" is all about risk. How one perceives risk and what levels of risk on is willing to take.

Problem is that humans are inherently terrible at perceiving risk, understanding it ad managing it. Oh sure, we are smart enough not to walk into a cage with a hungry lion, but other things that are less concrete and more abstract we all perceive risk differently.

Even now with the politicization of science, many now distrust facts and think they are rhetoric. Also human emotion what it is, we have evolved to a place where we feel we have to be "right" all of the time and take a position and be unmovable on it, even on line (where we could rightly learn something).

So how one perceives risk and what level of risk one wants to take and how one manages that risk are all factors. It isn't one simple answer.

On one of these threads is some detailed scientific information on the rates of transmission of each STD from one partner to another. Rates are relatively low overall for female to male transmission. Also, the condition of one's penis matters too: the skin is a nice barrier- but if the skin is compromised in some way (cut, sore, opening, rash, chaffed, etc) it can lead to higher transmission. Also anal sex is a significant level of higher risk. Then the likelihood of a girl having something to catch is key too.

Oh, I know, back in the 80's when HIV / AIDS was discovered there was a huge campaign to "educate" the public. Unfortunately that education, based on old information (like a brick telephone) is out dated. But many stick to that rhetoric as if it were fact and religion. But the fact is that less than 2% of the population is living with HIV. Drill into the numbers and 60% of those are men who have sex with men. Drill further and one will see that the rate of white women living with HIV is less than 2-tenths of a percent, <0. 2%. The rate for Asian women is even less.

Also know that there is nothing out there today that will kill you, especially since everyone has Obamacare.

As far as AMP girls go. I am reminded of the common knowledge / advice given to dudes visiting Thailand. If you are going to go with a girl, choose a go-go or beer bar girl as those establishments make sure the girls are checked and medically cleared. The "freelancers" or SWers may not have been checked and thus have a higher risk.

So if you are scared of "one time" being all it takes to catch an STD, then stay out of the hobby and be monogamous (100% safe) or use condoms 100% of the time with a known, tested-clean girl! If one is willing to accept some risk. Do some research & find out the transmission rates, things one can do to lower risk and make a rational decision, not an emotional one.

With the new thinner condoms, many of the issues of why dudes don't like them may be gone. So give them a try.

Just read the replies to the ordinal message (after I had replied).

Yeah, I see where they are coming from. Sure a girl can tell ten guys that he is the only one she is having BB sex with. The reason they do that is that most guys won't date a girl who offers BB sex as they perceive it as too risky. But I have found, when pressed and questioned appropriately (non accusatorily) that many girls will report how many dudes they offer bb sex too. I have observed that is often just a few and not large numbers and usually only the married guys that see them regularly (at least weekly). But hey, I believe most people are inherently truthful and when given an "out" to avoid PC backlash will be honest. That said, add addiction into the mix and throw that idea in the waste bin. Also found that those who have no compunction about lying them selves usually don't trust anyone.

But yeah, back in the 80's or 90's when the mass HIV public "education" was going on, there was a lot of rhetoric. Things like sleeping with someone means you are sleeping with everyone they slept with in the last 10-years. Yeah, I get that concept and understand why it was used (fear factor), but let me ask this - does someone getting tested for a full panel of STDs break that chain? If someone tests clean, then they did't get anything from all those people from the last 10 years!

And then there is the "she looks clean" stuff. Yes that is a good point. No one an tell by just looking. But that was a scare tactic to push HIV infection into the "unknown" and thus play with the normal psyche and mess with our abilities to process rationally the facts. The point is that TESTING proves a girl is clean. Most all test sites will provide paperwork proof.

Oh and then there is the myth, from old technology (think brick cell phones) that a person isn't clean until they have two clean test results 3-month apart. Problem is that is based on the old technology of HIV testing that looks for antibodies to the virus. Yes, in SOME people it might take as long as 3-month for their body to create antibodies to the HIV virus. But new technology exists (think tablets & smart phones) that can detect the actual virus as soon as 10-days time! So yeah, if one wants to be assured they are clean, make sure you are using the antigen test (new technology).

Also, let's think rationally about the science. If a girl has sex with an HIV+ dude (Guy1) on Day 1 and does indeed get the virus, at what date has the virus replicated enough, so that there is a high enough "load" of HIV in her system such that it CAN be transmitted to Guy2? If modern science (antigen testing) can't detect it until 10-days, is the load large enough to be transmitted?

The CDC has a new tool out there one can use to evaluate risk of HIV infection.

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/[/URL]

Use it to get knowledgeable on the topic!

I know for me that fear comes from a lack of knowledge. Once I understood the facts of risk, transmission and prevalence of STDs I was better able to manage my risk on a rational rather than emotional basis. While fear is a good thing and a way to avoid stepping into the lion cage, it didn't need to cloud my judgement.

Remember condoms are a tried and true method of being protective and reducing risk. If condoms don't work for you, perhaps you are using the wrong ones?

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/estimator.html[/URL]#-sb.

Great information.

I know that I am safe and my risk is minimal. I would never think that I would be this woman's "only" but I trust her to know risk and we discussed it at length.

Having the information to make an informed decision is key!

Thanks again for a very thoughtful response. I appreciate it!

Barry.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3645291]"safety" is all about risk. How one perceives risk and what levels of risk on is willing to take.

Problem is that humans are inherently terrible at perceiving risk, understanding it ad managing it. Oh sure, we are smart enough not to walk into a cage with a hungry lion, but other things that are less concrete and more abstract we all perceive risk differently.

Even now with the politicization of science, many now distrust facts and think they are rhetoric. Also human emotion what it is, we have evolved to a place where we feel we have to be "right" all of the time and take a position and be unmovable on it, even on line (where we could rightly learn something).

So how one perceives risk and what level of risk one wants to take and how one manages that risk are all factors. It isn't one simple answer.

On one of these threads is some detailed scientific information on the rates of transmission of each STD from one partner to another. Rates are relatively low overall for female to male transmission. Also, the condition of one's penis matters too: the skin is a nice barrier- but if the skin is compromised in some way (cut, sore, opening, rash, chaffed, etc) it can lead to higher transmission. Also anal sex is a significant level of higher risk. Then the likelihood of a girl having something to catch is key too..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3643384]I have found that the THICKNESS of a condom, the material it is constructed of and the size make a HUGE difference in the way covered sex feels! [/QUOTE]Here is some more info on thin condoms:

[URL]https://www.condom-sizes.org/thinnest-condoms/thinnest-condoms[/URL]

For latex condoms, new size options are available:

[URL]https://myonecondoms.com/[/URL]

The female condom has many advantages:

[URL]https://fc2.us.com/[/URL]

Latex free, can use any type of lube. One size fits all. The man feels friction, not just heat and pressure. Feels like bareback for the man. More skin covered, for better safety. The woman inserts it in advance, so there is no fumbling when ready for penetration. Switching partners in a threesome doesn't require a condom change. Negatives are higher price, harder to use and extra lube required on man's side.

Not sure if this is the right forum to ask but I figure I'd get more honest answers here than over at TNA. So admin / mod please delete if this is inappropriate.

Would you guys BBFS a provider you suspected of being an IV drug user? No judgement, just opinions on why or why not or the thought process behind it.

I guess the risk profile would depend on whether she shares needles, shares dope or BBFS other hobbyists. And I guess we are dealing with HIV and / or other STDs.

Thanks!

P.S.: this is NOT regarding a particular provider but just in general.

[QUOTE=Aegean45;3651374]Not sure if this is the right forum to ask but I figure I'd get more honest answers here than over at TNA. So admin / mod please delete if this is inappropriate.

Would you guys BBFS a provider you suspected of being an IV drug user? No judgement, just opinions on why or why not or the thought process behind it.

I guess the risk profile would depend on whether she shares needles, shares dope or BBFS other hobbyists. And I guess we are dealing with HIV and / or other STDs.

Thanks!

P.S.: this is NOT regarding a particular provider but just in general.[/QUOTE]I don't recommend BBFS with iv drug users. The percentage of needle sharing is high and can lead to one acquiring Hepatitis and HIV, etc. Always insist on having the lights turned on, preferably all to shine the light on not just iv track marks but also any lesions that are suspicious for HSV, granuloma, condylomata, vaginal discharge, etc. Stay safe A.

[QUOTE=Aegean45;3651374]Not sure if this is the right forum to ask but I figure I'd get more honest answers here than over at TNA. So admin / mod please delete if this is inappropriate.

Would you guys BBFS a provider you suspected of being an IV drug user? No judgement, just opinions on why or why not or the thought process behind it.

I guess the risk profile would depend on whether she shares needles, shares dope or BBFS other hobbyists. And I guess we are dealing with HIV and / or other STDs.

Thanks!

P.S.: this is NOT regarding a particular provider but just in general.[/QUOTE]The risk of female to male transmission for HIV is very low, however, IV users have a much higher incidence of HIV and Hep. It can't be worth worrying for the next 8 weeks about what she may have given you, all for a few minutes of feeling a raw pussy.

I have been a BBFS fan, but always try to make sure that they are not IV users. It just adds a whole new lever of risk for things other than HIV.

[QUOTE=Aegean45;3651374]Not sure if this is the right forum to ask but I figure I'd get more honest answers here than over at TNA. So admin / mod please delete if this is inappropriate.

Would you guys BBFS a provider you suspected of being an IV drug user? No judgement, just opinions on why or why not or the thought process behind it.

I guess the risk profile would depend on whether she shares needles, shares dope or BBFS other hobbyists. And I guess we are dealing with HIV and / or other STDs.

Thanks!

P.S.: this is NOT regarding a particular provider but just in general.[/QUOTE]I don't BBFS with a provider that doesn't look clean or if they have evidence of drug use. Just not worth it if you know they are extra high risk. For example, saw missmargaret on TNA.

[URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?339342-missmargaret[/URL]

After initial assessment of her place being a dive, marks on her arms, and general feel of who she was I chose to use a rubber even though she wanted BBFS. I am glad I did and walked away without the dirty feeling you sometimes get with a bad encounter.

After fucking her and getting a better look, she seemed clean enough as her vag had no smell and the marks on her arms were probably from razor blades from failed suicide attempts as opposed to drug needles. She may be an ok candidate for BBFS but I don't think I will return. For those who might be interested, she really likes it rough. Choke her with your cock and pile drive her. She can take it.

[QUOTE=Aegean45;3651374]Not sure if this is the right forum to ask but I figure I'd get more honest answers here than over at TNA. So admin / mod please delete if this is inappropriate.

Would you guys BBFS a provider you suspected of being an IV drug user? No judgement, just opinions on why or why not or the thought process behind it.

I guess the risk profile would depend on whether she shares needles, shares dope or BBFS other hobbyists. And I guess we are dealing with HIV and / or other STDs.

Thanks!

P.S.: this is NOT regarding a particular provider but just in general.[/QUOTE]

Sigh, the below replies are not surprising, as before I did much research and started asking health care professionals to verify my findings, I though the same thing.

First, everyone assumes that needle sharing is rampant. It "could" be. But before assuming that, check and see if your state or local government permits / has needle exchange programs. I know in my state there are needle exchange programs and all of the girls that have a need know what day and time those exchanges are open and most head there. Just because one is addicted, doesn't mean that they are stupid or have a death wish. Most girls know about HIV and that it "can be" spread by sharing needles, so most have changed their behaviors and DO NOT share needles.

Second, look at your state's Annual HIV / AIDS Surveillance Report. There one should see tables or charts of causes of HIV transmission: [I](see attached table)[/I].

The table shows that the risk of People Who Inject Drugs (PWID) of transmission is relatively low. I attached Philly's info as it was the fastest I could get to but each state is required to provide to the CDC and also publish an annual HIV / AIDS report, so specific info for your area should be available. Table shows that of NEW cases each year, the method of transmission of HIV was 11% (2012) and now has dropped in half (2016). And with the transmission risk being 5. 5% relatively low (one-tenth), especially compared to Men who have sex with men 56%! So to assume all IV drug users are transmitting HIV rapidly is old school thinking and not supported by recent data.

Next let me comment on having to wait 8 weeks to detect HIV. Again this was true in the 1990's when awareness started and the technology that existed was antibody tests. But technology moves on and there are now antigen tests that can detect fragments of HIV as soon as 10 days. Some test sites use a combination of antigen / antibody tests, so IF timing is important to you, then seek out a site that includes antigen testing.

Yes, the risk of transmission of HIV from female to males is very low, see the chart here:

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/estimator.html[/URL]

Point being that the skin was designed as a decent barrier and HIV needs to "get inside" in order to replicate and cause AIDS. If your junk is free of cuts, scarps, rashes, rubbed / raw, chaffed skin then F2M transmission should be very low!

OP have postulated that one should examine a girl for track marks, etc. No one can "tell" if a girl is clean just by looking! Addicts are great at hiding their addictions: inject them selves in hidden places you wouldn't think to look. But also, can a lay person with little or no technical training tell the difference between a skin tag and genital warts or some other sign of infection?

The point is that you need to ASK a girl her status and study her reaction as she provides it. I think most people are truthful about such things. It takes a pretty callous person to knowingly have an STD and agree to BBFS and infect another.

But the question was about IV Drug Users. The problem with addicts isn't needle sharing, it is the ADDICTION! When one is Jonesing they NEED a fix, most will do just about anything to get that fix. SO therein lies the risk. They will have sex with anyone to get the fix. So if a girl is desperate and Jonesing when you see her, she probably will lie, in order to get her meds. But I have seen high functioning addicts who aren't on the streets, who plan their days and are able to get the money for their meds before it is a problem. Those girls can choose who to BBFS with and don't have to take anyone who comes along.

Look the bottom line is the BBFS is about [B]RISK [/B] how one perceives it, how one manages it. See my discussion of risk here:

#811.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice&p=3645291&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3645291.

Some of the above stuff & more was discussed in that post as well:

#812.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice&p=3645325&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3645325.

OP gave links to new thinner condoms, which feel better than thick vending machine condoms:

#815.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice&p=3646157&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3646157.

Good Luck!

This chart, from the CDC, shows the transmission categories for HIV infection. Those working off of "old information" assume that the rate is high. It was in the 1990's, but with needle exchange programs and education, that form of transmission has dropped to VERY low levels!

Page 6 here:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/library/slidesets/cdc-hiv-surveillance-persons-who-inject-drugs-2016.pdf[/URL]

So. Who is most likely to have HIV?

What are the most risky populations?

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/statistics.html[/URL]

In the whole USA, in ALL of 2016 only 1032 new cases of HIV infection among white women! That versus 4189 cases in Black Women.

[QUOTE=ChevyChase;3655915]Risk associated with dreaming about BBBJ? Are there any, really?[/QUOTE]Yes Sir there is a ginormous risk with a BBBJ!! See IV drug users are prone to developing canker sores in their mouth which creates opportunity for transmission of HIV and Hepatitis!! So always be careful about who you let do it amd always pay close attention to signs of needle use!!

[QUOTE=UtrLvr41;3656143]Yes Sir there is a ginormous risk with a BBBJ!! See IV drug users are prone to developing canker sores in their mouth which creates opportunity for transmission of HIV and Hepatitis!! So always be careful about who you let do it amd always pay close attention to signs of needle use!![/QUOTE]Also herpes hsv-1 and hsv-2. 1 out of 6 in USA have herpes. Most no symptoms. So do have lesions and pain from it.

[QUOTE=UtrLvr41;3656143]Yes Sir there is a ginormous risk with a BBBJ!! See IV drug users are prone to developing canker sores in their mouth which creates opportunity for transmission of HIV and Hepatitis!! So always be careful about who you let do it amd always pay close attention to signs of needle use!![/QUOTE]Always best to be armed with the facts:

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/decreased_risk/less_risky.html[/URL]

[URL]https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/transmit/activities/oral_sex.html[/URL]

And remember, you guys should be getting tested as often as us ladies, the recommendation being every 3 months. It is the general consensus that one cannot detect an infection any sooner (ie. Texting every month), unless you are experiencing observable symptoms.

Happy Holidays,

Noelle.