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I think Massagegirl99 made a good post there. Your job is tough, no doubt about it.

I think MikinRock made a really lame post, simplistic, ignorant and downright angry.

As I've said in the past, I tip based on my experience. I treat the ladies with respect and what is/isn't allowed decides the level of tip. I've not tipped before and it was due to bad service & I spoke up.

Now as far as the comment posted about shutting up if you're getting 2-3 people @ $45 each... not only was it out of line, the math doesn't really add up. Even at 3 & rounding up, $17/hr without benefits isn't a lot to live off of. You are also assuming the IRS would let people slide for not paying any taxes, Whether they report all or part of their tips is irrelevant, the Fed's going to be getting something as they do with anyone working on commission/tips. Disagree?!? Perhaps you are the one needing a GED.

When I was in a few weeks ago, I had no up sell because the girls I frequent already know I tip. If I had an up sell, I'd speak up & that I determine tip afterward and that it should be a matter of mutual trust. If the tip-talk went any further, I'd let them know it's a turn off and affecting the tip, plain and simple. Most girls respond better when treated better. As with any business, some customers aren't great & go too far - and some girls aren't customer friendly.

For the majority of time, I've had great girls w/great personalities and in turn, I've tried to be a decent customer. I leave happy & I believe the tip I leave is adequate for the level of service rendered.

It's not tipping if it's required at the beginning of the session. That's about as stupid as thinking that your paid an escort a donation, or that the girls report all their income to the irs.

It sounds like tipping is the new euphemism for upcharge.

ERS used to be a great deal. You pay your $80, and maybe tip $20 at the end. And that was a tip not an upcharge. Now it's like $140 total for a hj.

And yes, the job probably does suck, but it pays really well. If you don't like your situation then go to school and get a job that pays more.

I think there is a middle ground in all of this. I think it is unreasonable to expect a 60 dollar tip for just a massage, a peek at the goods and a HR. But I think it is ridiculous for the customer to think a lady should have deliver near everything you can reasonably expect to get for 0 to 20 dollars extra. I can see how they could feel degraded, even the old hags (not that they are all old hags, many are though) at the amps would expect more than 20, if they had to deliver the same service. I have been in this hobby long enough to know when one of these ladies is trying to do a good job and when one is trying to just get to the finish. I have also been around long enough to know what is a small tip and what is generous. I tip based upon my past experiences and what they cost, compare it to the current experience. If it compares to my better experiences, I am generous, if not the tip reflects it. I learned long ago that over tipping for bad service just encourages bad service, the same way that being cheap encourages bad service. I think Emp Fan laid it out perfect, besides CLV is down the street, 50 dollars door, 35 tip up front, that is pretty fair price for a massage and release. You may not think they are as young or attractive as ERS, or the massage may be a bit rushed, but you may get lucky and find someone who meets expectations and expects little or no tip.

Well, we've heard a lot here.

I haven't posted in a while but this topic has me typing again.

Man, I was thinking about making another trip to ERS soon, but now that we got the inside scoop as to how us customers are regarded, kinda takes the steam out of my enthusiasm.

I don't see the issue being if to tip and how much, but if it's proper to ask for a tip either before, or early into the session. Girl99, I think it's a valid point. When you get your nails done, or go for a meal, these folks don't ask what you're going to tip before they provide their services. You'd most likely consider that rude.

Once we've paid the door, we want to relax and enjoy a sensual experience. The last thing we need at that moment is to be reminded again that it's all about the money.

And as long as you've brought up our current economic situation from your standpoint, well I'd like to address that too.

I was doing allright until about a year ago when the company I was working for went Chapter 13. Many of us lost our jobs nationwide. I was unable to go to an MP for months, and finally found another job 8 months ago. My pay is nowhere near what it was, but I'm thankful that I'm working. But one change is, a visit to ERS is now a major financial decision. Sometimes I have to save up for a trip. Your post seems to suggest to me that while you're worried about how much you put in your purse (and I don't blame you one bit for that), you have no realization that I have to work almost a full day just to make enough money just for the door, then gas to and from the suburbs, the tip. Hey, sometimes.20 or.30 is a lot of money to someone like me.

I'm glad to have had a number of ladies tell me how much they enjoyed our session because of my gentlemanly behavior. But if you demand respect from us customers, at least respect the fact that a lot of us aren't wealthy and have to put in many hours at lousy jobs for one hour with you. And be thankful, in this economy, that there's enough of us still showing up at your door with our hard earned dollars.

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Now as far as the comment posted about shutting up if you're getting 2-3 people @ $45 each... not only was it out of line, the math doesn't really add up. Even at 3 & rounding up, $17/hr without benefits isn't a lot to live off of. You are also assuming the IRS would let people slide for not paying any taxes, Whether they report all or part of their tips is irrelevant, the Fed's going to be getting something as they do with anyone working on commission/tips. Disagree?!? Perhaps you are the one needing a GED.

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I agree that $17 an hour is not exactly great money and the IRS and state are certainly going to get theirs, but I think there is a crucial point this line of thinking leaves out. As several people have correctly pointed out the girls only get paid when they are "on the clock" with a customer and they might spend hours or possibly the entire day without getting a customer. While this is a valid point for the girl when considering if this line of work is worth the time she is investing, I would disagree with the apparent suggestion that the customers they do get should feel obligated to subsidize that down time with higher tips. In my opinion, the customer is only responsible for providing fair compensation for the hour they spend with the girl. Defining fair compensation is of course a matter of judgement that the customer has to make based on what they feel the service is worth, but $70 seems about right to me ($45 from the door and a $25 tip).

To put this is perspective, lets assume that we do tip more during slow times to help even out the girls income. Does that mean that on busy days they will offer a discount to even out our expenditures? Somehow I doubt it. Because of the intimate nature of the services involved it is sometimes hard to keep in mind that this is in fact a business transaction, but that is the case. Nothing more, nothing less. You can bet the girls never lose sight of that fact and neither should we customers. By all means treat the girls with common courtesy and respect, but don't let your emotions fool you into paying for more than the time you spend with her and the services rendered.

Mellow Guy really puts it all in perspective.

In the rest of the business world tips are supposed to reflect the quality of service; unfortunately in the restaurant business the 15% tip has basically become an expected amount regardless of service.

Of course this business operates in a gray area and the market will ultimately determine what's fair.

In this business what is a reasonable amount to tip for the basic services?

As far as what the girls make in a day that really isn't a concern of mine; I am only interested in how well I am taken care of. It should stand to reason that if business is slow she could (and should) offer a higher level of service since she isn't being worked as hard in the day. When that happens her tip should reflect it.

If the girls don't like what they are making they are free to get a job in the real world.

If we don't like their service we shouldn't patronize them.

Well, Zeuss, this is why this board exists.

When I first went venturing out into this hobby late (relatively) in life, I was lucky enough to find this board. I have used it's advise a lot.

I didn't know what to tip or what to expect, but the board showed me a guideline I still use. .2 for expected service, .3 if I thought it was better than expected. One time in Rockford I tipped .3, and was told "the usual tip is .4". Never saw the girl again. I'm not saying to adopt that rule, but it has worked for me, and I figure it into the cost of my trip.

This board also helps you find the providers that are worth spending your money on.
I'd be willing to bet that Diana from ERS doesn't complain about money too much. I found a high reccomendation about her on this board, and was glad I did. Every time has been great, and I felt worth every penny spent. My only problem with her is when I try to find her lately, it seems she's always booked with appointments. No wonder why. Now, I don't know Diana out of ERS, and for all I know, she thinks I'm a big dumb S.O.B., but in the room, she makes me feel like a king. She sure doesn't act like she hates her job.

Now, I use Diana as an example. I'm sure some other girls are giving great service too. Point is, we out here rely on the information on the board to steer us the right way. I gotta thank all the experienced posters here for the info they've shared and I've used to my benefit.

I also agree, Zuess, that a customer shouldn't be expected to pay more if they show up on a slow day, just as I don't think Burger King should charge extra for Whoppers on a slow day. I think Burger King should be grateful that I paid $4 for 2 Whoppers so their day wasn't as slow as it could have been.

Now, I'm not totally disagreeing with Massagegirl's posting. She does make some good points. Whatever you paid at the door, whatever you paid for a tip, you bought the massage, not the girl. She still is a human, with feelings and pressures and a real life. For those looking to grope and nibble because you think you'll get better service, good luck.

I've had a number of conversations with ladies who, after getting comfortable with me, have told me of some of the bizzare things guys will try to do during a session. My suggestion is once, just once, try treating her like a person, an human... there's plenty of time in the room to converse. Ask her questions. Let her talk about herself. I think you'll find that in the end, you'll get a way more enjoyable experience than if you go in acting like a wild animal.

Who really things these girls claims their tips on their taxes??? If you're not paying taxes then $17/hr is equal to $30/hr in the legit world. $30/hr. Plus if you're only claiming $10,000 a year on your taxes then you get earned income tax credit, so that puts them up to the equivalent of like $35/hr.

Please tell me why a woman with kids can't make it on $35 unless something else is going on in her life?

I like this video:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFUDbOldMs[/url]

[QUOTE=KingDd]Who really things these girls claims their tips on their taxes??? If you're not paying taxes then $17/hr is equal to $30/hr in the legit world. $30/hr. Plus if you're only claiming $10,000 a year on your taxes then you get earned income tax credit, so that puts them up to the equivalent of like $35/hr.

Please tell me why a woman with kids can't make it on $35 unless something else is going on in her life?

I like this video:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFUDbOldMs[/url][/QUOTE]

Most SWs probably don't even file. Especially the drug users. The IRS is more interested in the high price call girl, like the one that brought down Elliot Spitzer in New York. Unless the girl is bringing in six figures a year its probably not worth their time to investigate,

I remember and interesting story where the IRS estimated a call girl's income based on the number of towels she got each week from her laundry service.

[QUOTE=Robert387]Had a session with Jamie, and she was, as reported by a few members here, fine in many respects. Unfortunately, like another poster experienced, she did the "What are you going to tip?" routine early in the session. That's a deal-breaker for me, especially at a place like ERS where that almost never happens. Ended up giving her .2, which was half of what I'd have given in light of her otherwise good session.[/QUOTE]I agree, lately Jamie has become a bit greedy / annoying. In my last session with her she asked me if I am planning spend some money. And she said hundred bucks and I will put 'it' in my mouth. Bargaining is a turn off for me so I said no. I have never gone to her after that.

I visited ers yesterday, and had a really good session after a long day. Think her name was Kayla or Carly. Not much talking, which was good because I really wasn't in the mood. Tipped .2

[QUOTE=Klt5944]I agree, lately Jamie has become a bit greedy / annoying. In my last session with her she asked me if I am planning spend some money. And she said hundred bucks and I will put 'it' in my mouth. Bargaining is a turn off for me so I said no. I have never gone to her after that.[/QUOTE]Had this and didn't pay more than my normal tip. It's not her mouth, she's using the chin trick.

Not to start a pissing match, but what I said about taxes should be common knowledge by now, the IRS has been hiring and hitting "smaller fish" since they can make more $$ in a poor economy that way as opposed to bigger fish who can afford the legal help. It's no where near as complicated as you may assume with a lot of people filing electronically. If you have friends that are bartenders, waiters, etc. working on tips in "legit" industries, ask them & I guarantee you will hear that if they haven't been hit, they know a co-worker that has received the automated mailing for an audit.

In the meantime, I've moved away from visiting the ERS as much as I used to and head further up to Madison since you can get more at a flat rate. If you don't know about Madison, rtff on the WI page.

When you say had this, are you saying you agreed to the mouth bit and found out she was doing the chin trick and called her out on it and gave her the normal tip. Or did she not discuss anything first just did the chin trick.

Decided to take a drive and visit some old haunts. Stopped in @ ERS and had a session w/Sam. Hit the tub and then back to the room for a little r&r. Decent rubdown, nice personality.

Still requiring additional therapy, I made my way up to CL. I wasn't thrilled with the selection, so I took a pass.

Headed to Golden Hands and was about to walk out as the older babe at the door didn't do it for me, but I was told that Nat would be able to see me. I waited in the room for way too long when the older woman who greeted me walked in. She made some excuse that Nat wasn't there, although I knew she was because I heard her in the next room. Well, I shoulda left cause I don't like being lied to, but I had a kink in my neck, so I let her rub it out.

The old girl gave one helluva rub, probably the best I've ever had. Her technique must come from years of practice. Didn't catch her name, but you can't miss her.