Rants and Stupid shit in Orange County

[QUOTE=OcAmper;6592974]One that I've seen news reports, although not very common and never heard of here.

Police send in a cop, which does the full deal, solicits and engages in prostitution. In my opinion, probably a fairly difficult task to pull off for LE. You'd have to get an officer that is single, probably non-religious. It might be desired that the interaction be recorded, which also may not be wanted. Of course, if recorded or just being broadcast to others nearby, sure could see how performance anxiety could set in as well.

My opinion, getting caught up in a bust / sting could be a big problem for many. I'd say, at the very least, ones name would be included in the LE report, and reaches a maximum of conviction, and nearly everything in between.

Conviction, doesn't seem too likely, they would need to take the word of the lady involved.

Being arrested for soliciting or engaging, suppose there is some possibility. Then, the needs to evaluate the evidence and decide if there is a case, if the the decides there is a case, then could be charged. Then, we know how the rest of this plays out.

[URL]https://sfbos.org/section-14-das-standard-charging-cases[/URL]

Conversely, LE can publish ones name / photo, seems fairly freely. I'd guess, if one had the means to challenge it, probably this practice would not survive the legal test. Nonetheless, OCSD had employed this tactic, although it might not use this tactic anymore. FL Orange County Sheriffs, does post mugs of the suspects.

[URL]https://www.ocso.com/Public-Interest/Prostitution-Arrests[/URL][/QUOTE]They just busted a place off of 17th street in SA. Anna the owner mentioned she wasn't there that day. 5 pigs in police vests raided it. At least they had vests on. Compared to the Costa Mesa Pd. That makes shit up and closes places down.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6592918]I've never heard of it happening around here, but I have heard of the tactic where cops scout out guys leaving an MP, then pull them over a couple blocks away for some bullshit traffic violation. If I'm not mistaken that happened to Kraft in the Orchids of Asia thing in Florida. Most people are going to commit some kind of driving violation or another at some point, even if it's going 1 MPH over the speed limit. So they pull you over for the ticket, and then give you shit about coming out of the MP. For some guys it could be trouble with the family right there, having to explain how you got a traffic ticket in a part of town you had no business being in. So I wouldn't at all put it past cops to pull the same shit here if they saw a ripe opportunity.[/QUOTE]Kraft was at the wrong place at the wrong time. The place was under investigation for months including putting cameras in the place. Later an appeals court found the police violated the rights of the men in the tapes and it couldn't be used in court. Had nothing to do with his limo having a turn signal out and he got busted on a traffic stop for being a sexpest.

[QUOTE=AlCapone2006;6592963]You are right. Remain silent. I assumed they got a ticket. I don't mean sex offender ticket. Just a ticket that relates to engaging with prostitution and you will end up a sex offender if you have to register as one. Lmao. So sorry Ok. OMG. You guys love to give shit. But hey. If you got big balls. Keep going there. Who cares. You might be lucky to be pulled over for some bs too.[/QUOTE]I don't think we love giving shit, just try to correct folks that have it wrong, as we know it.

Now, according to attorneys that specialize in criminal cases, getting cited for prostitution and having to register as a sex offender, isn't all that common. Suppose, if the right circumstances were there, the girl was under age, well that is not a situation that I'd want to try to get out of, even if I thought she looked 30.

As far as a bullshit stop. I have no reason to not 'believe' you, if the cops pulled the guy over before getting onto or while on the 55, he would have made a left turn from Hypno, crossing the double yellow and the double white. That driveway is pretty close to the intersection, broke the law would double lines, so in my opinion, a very valid reason to cite someone.

Going back to Sex Offender. Going back to the late 1980's, do recall seeing an article in OC Register about strip clubs in Anaheim. Obviously, 1980's is a long time ago, so just can't with clarity recall fine details. Do recall the article mentioning the possibility of the system seeking sex offender registration. IIRC, Anaheim was trying to clear out the strip clubs, which we know was a failure since Flamingo and Saraha are still both in business all these years later.

So, at one time, the threat of Sex Offender may have been real, but not today.

[QUOTE=AlCapone2006;6592963]You are right. Remain silent. I assumed they got a ticket. I don't mean sex offender ticket. Just a ticket that relates to engaging with prostitution and you will end up a sex offender if you have to register as one. Lmao. So sorry Ok. OMG. You guys love to give shit. But hey. If you got big balls. Keep going there. Who cares. You might be lucky to be pulled over for some bs too.[/QUOTE]The MP is a legal business and walking out of it, getting in your car, and driving away provides no probably cause for a cop to charge you for "engaging with a prostitute" or anything else related to the MP. If you commit a traffic violation as you were driving away, then it is the same as if you left any other business in Santa Ana.

Now, if the place is under investigation and the cop pulls someone over who left under the guise of a traffic stop and the person is asked what took place in their and they admit to having sex, then the guy is an idiot, but not sure that it would put the guy in a position to charge. They may be able to use the admission as a pretext to try to bust an MP for providing sexual services for a fee. They'd probably have to get a court order, or other form of escalation to within the department to spend the time and funds, to send in an undercover cop with a wire or hidden camera because they need more than the cops word vs the MP worker. The worker can claim they were intimidated to do it or coerced, which a good defense attorney would be able to sell to a jury.

[QUOTE=AlCapone2006;6592988]They just busted a place off of 17th street in SA. Anna the owner mentioned she wasn't there that day. 5 pigs in police vests raided it. At least they had vests on[/QUOTE]I'd like to read more, is this in a police report? News article? Please enlighten us.

[QUOTE=LC310;6592993]investigation for months including putting cameras in the place. [/QUOTE]I'd like to read more, is this in a police report? News article? Please enlighten us.

[QUOTE=AlCapone2006;6592988]They just busted a place off of 17th street in SA. Anna the owner mentioned she wasn't there that day. 5 pigs in police vests raided it. At least they had vests on. Compared to the Costa Mesa Pd. That makes shit up and closes places down.[/QUOTE]Sort of wonder about this one. According to SAPD Blotter, there were arrests related to 647 b on.

8/16.

8/17.

8/22.

8/30.

None of which could be considered off of 17th? Closer to 12th.

Not seeing any traffic stops in that area either. Do see a couple reported @ 1st and N Tustin, but nothing on 4th and N Tustin. Most recent data has 9/3/2023, so maybe the traffic stop isn't yet displayed?

[QUOTE=Taws6;6593005]I'd like to read more, is this in a police report? News article? Please enlighten us.[/QUOTE]There is a thing called Google. Have you heard about it?

[QUOTE=OcAmper;6593007]Sort of wonder about this one. According to SAPD Blotter, there were arrests related to 647 b on.

8/16.

8/17.

8/22.

8/30.

None of which could be considered off of 17th? Closer to 12th.

Not seeing any traffic stops in that area either. Do see a couple reported @ 1st and N Tustin, but nothing on 4th and N Tustin. Most recent data has 9/3/2023, so maybe the traffic stop isn't yet displayed?[/QUOTE]Why would they put a report. I'm sure the traffic stop turned into a solicitation ticket instead. And if you think the police are dumb enough to let the public know about investigations. Let's just see when or if it gets raided. Then come back here Or maybe they will just raid it a one day it's closed. Like all of these AMPs. They don't publish raids. They just do them. And take the girls moneys.

Please sight your sources. Sounds like hearsay. I don't think you understand how law-enforcement works. If there's an organized raid, it begins at department headquarters and has to have an over abundance of probable cause. They want convictions. Raids require scores to 100's of hour of PD department's time and resources $$. Law enforcement has to show effectiveness to justify budgets -that's how it work.

[QUOTE=AlCapone2006;6593412]Why would they put a report. I'm sure the traffic stop turned into a solicitation ticket instead. And if you think the police are dumb enough to let the public know about investigations. Let's just see when or if it gets raided. Then come back here Or maybe they will just raid it a one day it's closed. Like all of these AMPs. They don't publish raids. They just do them. And take the girls moneys.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=AlCapone2006;6593412]Why would they put a report. I'm sure the traffic stop turned into a solicitation ticket instead. And if you think the police are dumb enough to let the public know about investigations. Let's just see when or if it gets raided. Then come back here Or maybe they will just raid it a one day it's closed. Like all of these AMPs. They don't publish raids. They just do them. And take the girls moneys.[/QUOTE]The blotter, is a record of everything the PD does. It is automated, so no way for an individual officer to avoid it. Officer makes a traffic stop, it is his duty, to report to dispatchers, what he is doing. Not only duty, it is for his safety and accountability.

There is no way a traffic stop turns into a solicitation citation, unless both parties are in the car, and make the deal right in front of the officer that made the traffic stop. Since the person pulled away from Hypno, crossed two sets of double lines, very safe to say, that is why the traffic stop was initiated.

Most likely, the officer didn't even see the person go out the front door of Hypno. The person could have come from any one of the other businesses in that center. Could have been one of the business owners themselves.

As far as LE goes, it is run like a large business. If you have never worked for a large business, maybe you wouldn't know how this stuff works. Patrol cops, while they might be the eye's and ears on the street, their job is not to investigate, that is another group of LE, that specializes in investigations and more specifically investigations of that particular crime.

When gathering evidence, if physical, there is chain of custody that must be maintained. If not physical, then likely other special procedures to maintain integrity of evidence.

LE doesn't really work like we see on TV. The patrol cop doesn't go out, find a crime, and investigate it all the way to arrest. Patrol cop, might do portions in course of patrolling, but that is it.

In Santa Ana, to be a massage technician, in accordance with Santa Ana Ordinances, the technician must have a CAMTC certificate. Safe to say, bet none of the Hypno ladies have one. So, if there were to be a 'bust' per se, it likely would be just for CAMTC certificates. Low hanging fruit, easy to do I'd think.

[QUOTE=LC310;6593029]There is a thing called Google. Have you heard about it?[/QUOTE]Ok, I'lll be more direct, I was trying to be nice so I'm calling Bull S on your report about putting cameras in the place.

[QUOTE=Taws6;6593726]Ok, I'lll be more direct, I was trying to be nice so I'm calling Bull S on your report about putting cameras in the place.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly how it played out. Police placed camera's within the premises. Well known case, received national attention.

I had the links to the articles here is my response, but later thought, very well could be against forum policies. Rather avoid infractions.

It is very easy to google, massage judge ordered video destroyed. As large of a case this was, as much as it was mentioned in the nightly news and other press, not sure how one could have missed this?

Police got a warrant, executed the warrant under the guise of a bomb threat. Got all occupants out of the building, placed cameras and left. Continued investigation, X shows up one day and due to his being a public figure of sorts, this case became national news.
If he never showed up, it is doubtful this would have been anything more than a small bit piece in the local news, making it impossible to find.

[QUOTE=Taws6;6593726]Ok, I'lll be more direct, I was trying to be nice so I'm calling Bull S on your report about putting cameras in the place.[/QUOTE]Took less than 30 seconds to find one of many news articles for confirmation.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/robert-kraft-case-shows-how-police-use-hidden-cameras-to-get-evidence.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=LC310;6594025]Took less than 30 seconds to find one of many news articles for confirmation.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/robert-kraft-case-shows-how-police-use-hidden-cameras-to-get-evidence.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks, I was fixated on the point of the thread & crossing double yellow line & getting pulled over, I didn't keep up with the reference to Kraft.

Eating crow.