"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Not as fortunate as FG, however one of my early on baby finds is a 20 yo tall spinner, tiny little thing. Still working to get to open up but like FG's young thing, guys her generation just didn't get it done for her. I nearly poisoned the well with several $ m&g's so we were on the same page, but I'm ok with that. I want the emotional connection, then the physical will always be better. Seeing her almost a year now, $20 to $70 depending on other costs. Too many hobbies, not enough time.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2347116]While there is much truth to this statement, there are the exceptions. Last summer I met a 20 why / o Asian co-ed who lives the next town over from me. Just for the record, I am 59. We get together usually during the day as it's easier for her in that she doesn't have to explain where she has been when she gets home to Mom and Dad. I am retired and the Warden is still working, so that is the same for me. Our dates usually consist of about 3 hours in the FC, usually 3 loads are delivered. Yes, she is a little nympho. Now, the reason she is fucking an old geezer like me is that the guys her age, so she tells me, do not know how to satisfy a woman's needs at all. She is at that stage where she is deeply into exploring her sexuality and loves to try new things. Yes, I am a very lucky man. She has a yearning to try almost anything she see's in porn. Her first attempt at anal did not go well with a boyfriend 2 years ago. He had no idea how to prepare her for that. Daddy, on the other hand, had her loving it. She also never had DATY performed on her with such expertise and enthusiasm. This is pretty typical of the young girls. So if you have any skill at that, they will fall in love with you. Being that she is old school Asian, she is quite submissive and always goes the extra mileage to please. She is also getting very good with eye contact. Each date with her gets better and better. Twice now she has hopped on be BB. She found she like the taste of her pussy on my dick, but doesn't like the taste of latex. I have let her control when it will be BB and only allow her to do that because I was snipped 25 years ago so I know I won't be her Baby Daddy. And all this for $150/ date. She was a SA find. We had a m&g date for lunch then the next one was straight to the FC. And there was no sugar for the m&g, just lunch.

I wish they were all this easy to find. She happens to be a rare gem in that she doesn't go silent, can actually communicate via text in a timely fashion, and can actually tell time. She shows when we agree to meet without all the usual young girl horseshit.

So, keep at it guys. There are some good ones to be had. But, let the GPS and Nando's know that is exactly what they are and we know it.

Safe hobbying to all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2346930]
the reality is that a 20 yr old girl probably can live without fucking a geezer. [/QUOTE]Until they actually do and then can't live without it.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2346930]A Pot I am courting said that most guys hit her upfront with the pay for play demand, which I have been doing also with little success of late. [/QUOTE]I always lowball at a $ with a disclaimer that all I need is a HJ on a first date. 50% of the dates end with intercourse. 25% end with oral. Of the remaining 25% (in which no money is exchanged) about a third of them have me pleasuring them one way or another. These are the percentages for girls that expressed a willingness to get intimate if the vibe was right.

I have had many other straight up "no money, no sex" M&G's. Very few of those led to a second date. Of the ones that did, 100% led to intercourse.

Its my 2nd day on SA. I see a lot of GPS but also a lot of better looking girls. So far I have only made four pitches for a $ with one accepted. I have not made any $$ offers yet. But I do see some real trophy fucks. And girls proclaiming that they are models/actors, and that actually have the looks to pull it off. Not just some modelmayhem wannabees.

Agree with all the posts about expectations, some of the stories being made up by these girls, and the "no sex" platonic relationship profiles.

I've had mutiple m&gs with girls listing "moderate" to "high" expectations, with one agreeing to go to the FC for my allowance sweet spot (I. E. $100 - $200). She is on the higher end of the range and the understanding is that I cover all costs, but it is a fraction of what she was asking. As for the other girls, let them wait for their white whale. Frankly it is just unlikely to happen.

I've also had m&gs with girls listing "negotiable" but were "offended" that I would offer anything less than $500 a date. One girl "felt insulted because my quoted amount was less than what a common street wh*re charges. ". I wanted to tell her that I generally don't take my street wh*res to dinner and pay for their hotels, but decided against it. The fact that she wanted to set an hourly rate per meet kinda means that she is putting herself out there as a common street wh*re, but hey, if she wants to use SA as her version of backpage, who am I to argue. She would have more luck getting the rate she is looking for by becoming well reviewed on the oThER board.

I accidentally messages someone who "would never meet with a guy who listed himself as married but looking". Only to have her send me a text a few days later asking to meet up.

Long story short, based on my experience, there is no ryhme or reason behind what a girl lists on her profile. Remember, for them its free, so why not post a site and try to bag a white whale? Wouldn't you play the lottery if the tickets were free?

In between though, some of these girls might be willing to take less sugar, or put out just a little bit (which inevitably always leads to more...), while they are waiting. There are of course many that completely didn't understand what the lifestyle is all about. I've noticed that the ones that didnt understand, and then don't want to change their expectations, end up disappearing from thr site after the first week or so. Also, I've noticed the ones that have ridiculously high expectations only check the site from time to time in hopes of hitting their free potting ticket.

I have no doubt that the really attractive ones are able to get a desparate guy to pony up $150 for a date or a m&g, and the ones that are silt hot, probably find someone who has ridiculous amount did money that can drop $500-$1,000 a date....but if a guy has that kind of financial firepower, I suspect he has multiple sbs in his rotation and is constantly updating his rotation with fresh young faces that get added to the sites on a daily basis. Heck, that's what I'd do if I had that kind of cash to burn...

In the meantime these ladies will need to make some choices...either understand basic economics of the bowl while they have their good looks and youth, or sit on the sidelines while other young fresh faces take their place...

These are the kinds of gems that I am mining for. It shows that there are quality ladies out there that are interested in meeting a reliable, good, guy, who can show them a thing or two in the bedroom.

Over the long haul, girls like this make out better since it provides a reliable allowance with safe decent guy, who is in it for the long haul, rather than a quick pump and dump for a higher one time allowance.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2347116]While there is much truth to this statement, there are the exceptions. Last summer I met a 20 why / o Asian co-ed who lives the next town over from me. Just for the record, I am 59. We get together usually during the day as it's easier for her in that she doesn't have to explain where she has been when she gets home to Mom and Dad. I am retired and the Warden is still working, so that is the same for me. Our dates usually consist of about 3 hours in the FC, usually 3 loads are delivered. Yes, she is a little nympho. Now, the reason she is fucking an old geezer like me is that the guys her age, so she tells me, do not know how to satisfy a woman's needs at all. She is at that stage where she is deeply into exploring her sexuality and loves to try new things. Yes, I am a very lucky man. She has a yearning to try almost anything she see's in porn. Her first attempt at anal did not go well with a boyfriend 2 years ago. He had no idea how to prepare her for that. Daddy, on the other hand, had her loving it. She also never had DATY performed on her with such expertise and enthusiasm. This is pretty typical of the young girls. So if you have any skill at that, they will fall in love with you. Being that she is old school Asian, she is quite submissive and always goes the extra mileage to please. She is also getting very good with eye contact. Each date with her gets better and better. Twice now she has hopped on be BB. She found she like the taste of her pussy on my dick, but doesn't like the taste of latex. I have let her control when it will be BB and only allow her to do that because I was snipped 25 years ago so I know I won't be her Baby Daddy. And all this for $150/ date. She was a SA find. We had a m&g date for lunch then the next one was straight to the FC. And there was no sugar for the m&g, just lunch.

I wish they were all this easy to find. She happens to be a rare gem in that she doesn't go silent, can actually communicate via text in a timely fashion, and can actually tell time. She shows when we agree to meet without all the usual young girl horseshit.

So, keep at it guys. There are some good ones to be had. But, let the GPS and Nando's know that is exactly what they are and we know it.

Safe hobbying to all.[/QUOTE]

I think we can all agree that every possible experience is out there. And there is no reason not to hit up obvious GPS girls (it could be your luck day depending on their mood). Just don't waste time on lengthy negotiations. And don't get razzled when some girl slams you for being cheap, an asshole, dirty or not being a real SD. On another thread a guy was joyously relating his 2K weekend date. Not a weekly occurrence I'm sure. And other guys are getting some freebees here and there and acting like they won the lottery.

We are all blessed in the new year to have such good fortune at our feet. The stuff most guys could never imagine, will never experience., and can't begin to understand.

Is it possible to not give your name or use an alias?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2347900]Is it possible to not give your name or use an alias?[/QUOTE]Have her get the room.

Yes, assuming that she has a credit card, nothing to hide, and that you trust her.

So I messaged 35 out of about 680 total 18 year old girls within 50 miles of my house. Only the ones that have been online within the last week and that looked interesting to me. Nary a black girl in the mix, a few mixed girls, and all the rest white. And I skipped a few super GPS girls. There is a totally different vibe on SA and less obvious UTR and pro girls than SD4M. I am just saying something very simple like " after reading my profile if you want to know more, then email me at XXX. Just lmk its you by your profile name".

We'll see how that goes.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2347900]Is it possible to not give your name or use an alias?[/QUOTE]Having been a traveling sales rep for 37 years, my experience has been that all the major hotels require you to show picture I'd these days. There are still some inexpensive motels that still do not require any I'd so you can put anything you want on the registration.

So, inspired by Hollywood Guy, I have spent this month chasing down young black girls on SA and CL. Much to my dismay, ALL of them have flaked on me. Two of them waited until the day of the trip to the FC. Total of 6 made it to the m&g, with 4 going silent after that. And they all greed to meet again. This is a very high percentage for me. So, my question for HG is are the young black girls more apt to do this or did I just hit the flake homerun? I gave it a try, but I am not sure if I want to continue to pursue them anymore. I might just fall back on my little Asian baby and my regular MILF.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2348346]So, inspired by Hollywood Guy, I have spent this month chasing down young black girls on SA and CL. Much to my dismay, ALL of them have flaked on me. Two of them waited until the day of the trip to the FC. Total of 6 made it to the m&g, with 4 going silent after that. And they all greed to meet again. This is a very high percentage for me. So, my question for HG is are the young black girls more apt to do this or did I just hit the flake homerun? I gave it a try, but I am not sure if I want to continue to pursue them anymore. I might just fall back on my little Asian baby and my regular MILF.[/QUOTE]Just bad luck. In my experience they are the most reliable and the most willing to please.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2348346]So, inspired by Hollywood Guy, I have spent this month chasing down young black girls on SA and CL. Much to my dismay, ALL of them have flaked on me. Two of them waited until the day of the trip to the FC. Total of 6 made it to the m&g, with 4 going silent after that. And they all greed to meet again. This is a very high percentage for me. So, my question for HG is are the young black girls more apt to do this or did I just hit the flake homerun? I gave it a try, but I am not sure if I want to continue to pursue them anymore. I might just fall back on my little Asian baby and my regular MILF.[/QUOTE]Also, set your M&G's to able to go straight to the FC. As most of them will. I,ve had M&G's that lasted a whole 5 minutes or I just pick them up as many have no ride. If they check out then straight to the FC. Time is money. Yours and theirs.

Got my first M&G off SA. A plain looking fair skinned latina. 24 5'4" about 120. A girl you wouldn't even notice on the street. A sorta HYM that lives with her mom. Probably hasnt had any in a while. Have another M&G with a 19 AA also average looking but with luscious lips and she is pretty slender from the waist up. I normally wouldn't have been interested except she says she is very very submissive and wants to be a good girl for daddy. Which is really my favorite type and almost all I date anymore.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2346395]Here is a collection of Pots in my area: Seriously, the 1st 10 (ten) new listings in my screen 18 to 29 / Caucasian / thin-athletic.

"I am not interested in a sexual relationship UNLESS there is natural chemistry. ".
[/QUOTE]Fred, there were all good comments about unrealistic expectations, but, to be fair, this one line here, of the many you presented, is the type I'd still contact. The fact is, most SBs, especially if you're not throwing out the big bucks, do want some chemistry. You might not fit their ideal boyfriend image, but these aren't always pros. The interesting ones really do want to get to know you, even if it's only for an hour or two, before they wind up heading to a hotel with you. Some of them insist that it won't be before the second date, and I'm fine with that, as long as they don't expect compensation just for being taken to dinner. So, yes, I'd ignore all of the others, but this one understands what it's about, and is willing to go there. She just isn't willing to imply any commitment to follow-thru for dinner / drinks, if she doesn't feel comfortable.

I spent a very nice evening recently with a SB who first contacted me that same night, and we went to one of her favorite places, hung out for several pleasant hours, and had a comfortable, vanilla date, around people who knew her, with no thought of compensation apart from some really inexpensive food and darts. At the end of the date, she made it clear that our next meeting would involve private time, if I was interested in seeing her again. We discussed the budgetary considerations, parted on good terms, and she has remained responsive and warm while we're setting up the next plans. Although her profile didn't include the above line, it very well could have. She wasn't looking for Harrison Ford, but she did want to feel comfortable before suggesting anything else could happen. Nothing wrong with that.

The others, however, are nuts.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2348523]Got my first M&G off SA. A plain looking fair skinned latina. 24 5'4" about 120. A girl you wouldn't even notice on the street. A sorta HYM that lives with her mom. Probably hasnt had any in a while. [/QUOTE]Even though I already set up the M&G with this girl I was still a little unsure due to her being about a 6/7. And as there are just too many girls to meet I am still talking to her to see if she is my type emotionally.

ME: I,m a pretty simple guy. I'm just looking for a baby girl that wants to please her daddy. Is that you babe? Do you know how to do that, or am I going to have to teach you?

HER: You're going to have to teach me.

Done deal. You might think its better to get someone with porn star skills. But maybe a porn star just does what she thinks she's supposed to do, unaware of whether you like it or not. Sometimes I would rather have a humble newbie with raw talent that only knows and does what I tell her. And does she (have the talent that is) ? Thats what I,m gonna find out.

ME: Thats ok baby... I like doing that. especially for a sweet girl like you. and if you are a little shy thats ok too. so dont worry.. ok?

HER: Ok. (Smiling face with smiling eyes) Thank you.

ME: Say "thank you daddy"

HER: Thank you daddy!

Does all this guarantee anything? No, but I am encouraged.