"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2341406]Are affairs non-monetary transactions? Or is it another SD / SB site?

Just wondering if it may be safer than SA. Any other similar sites where individuals hookup without any money / stuff involved?[/QUOTE]My next FC meet is with a married but looking 29 yo MILF. We had M&G yesterday and decided on a full service date next week. She complained all her contacts on AM were just "how much do you want" comms and that's why she switched to SA. At this point I don't think it will cost me anymore than the hotel room as she is just a deprived house wife. She just needs to someone to show her some attention. I will happily do that.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2341380]If my budget is lower than expectation can I go ahead and contact them but ask them up front if their expectation is fixed?

Or will it be a waste of time.[/QUOTE]I'd generally agree with thepunter. However, I'd check out the profile. If it is obviously crafted by someone who is sophisticated, then I definitely suspect GPS and avoid.

If, OTOH, it is a little awkward, tentative, some spelling and grammar errors, it is very likely that there is plenty of wriggle room. Some have obviously not read the guideline values set out under that question mark. In that case the word "substantial" is entirely subjective, and related to her situation. If she's on a minimum wage, "substantial" to her might be $200. That's not common, but it's at least worth running the eyeballs over just in case.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2341617]Since you laughed at my joke I would politely suggest reading the entire forum from start to finish.[/QUOTE]Someone should make a separate Sugarbaby FAQ thread and put all the acronyms and recurring questions. Reading 8000+ posts in their entirety, particularly with some of the weird formatting restrictions imposed here, is way beyond being a reasonable request. Believe me, the pagination of the server alone cannot flip through them all at a reasonable pace, it's just too cumbersome.

It's a dilemma as old as the Internet itself and the general solution for it has always been an FAQ that gets maintained by one or more folks.

As to how to prevent that thread from becoming polluted with lots of individual anecdotal experiences, I don't know. Perhaps Admin can lock it and give only a few folks access to it, or maybe USASG has already solved this problem somehow.

It is often said that a task repeated 10,000 times will make you a master of it. So reading 8,000 posts may only make you a master of reading posts. But it could do a lot more if you apply the principles related in those posts.

You would only have to read about thirty pages a day for 3 weeks to read this entire thread. Not too much preparation for a lifetime of sugaring. I estimate it took me 3 years to learn what this thread could have taught me in 3 weeks.

After reading this thread and a few others combined with thousands of hours of research and chatting with girls over the last 7 years I have gone from spending 6 k a month for average results down to 3 k a month for the desired ones. After 20 years of marriage and then 7 more with an SO my game level has gone from a 1 to about a 7 or 8.

Some of the info here and on other threads is just pure gold. I follow at least 12 contributors daily. Some are SD's, some are AMP guys and some are into SW's and escorts. But combine it all together and I dont think there is a more definitive source of information anywhere. I am a voracious reader, not everyone is, but it has served me well at work and in sugaring.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2341775]It is often said that a task repeated 10,000 times will make you a master of it. So reading 8,000 posts may only make you a master of reading posts. But it could do a lot more if you apply the principles related in those posts.

You would only have to read about thirty pages a day for 3 weeks to read this entire thread. Not too much preparation for a lifetime of sugaring. I estimate it took me 3 years to learn what this thread could have taught me in 3 weeks.

After reading this thread and a few others combined with thousands of hours of research and chatting with girls over the last 7 years I have gone from spending 6 k a month for average results down to 3 k a month for the desired ones. After 20 years of marriage and then 7 more with an SO my game level has gone from a 1 to about a 7 or 8.

Some of the info here and on other threads is just pure gold. I follow at least 12 contributors daily. Some are SD's, some are AMP guys and some are into SW's and escorts. But combine it all together and I dont think there is a more definitive source of information anywhere. I am a voracious reader, not everyone is, but it has served me well at work and in sugaring.[/QUOTE]Well we can't all live in Hollywoodland where every chick wants to be a star.

Interested in this one gal. Until I got the rates. 5 for a "date", 7 for "overnight" and 2 k for "a real sugarbabe for a month. " Do these gals even understand math?

Based on the advice on this thread (and my market), I offered 1/2 that while accepting of the fact that 2 k would be acceptable but we would have to get along.

I got a 'no thanks sweetie. ' Dumb girl.

Of course, she is on WYP and SD4 Me too. So, when those wells dry up.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2341564]That was funny HollywoodGuy!

I was wondering if there was less risk of drama, attachment etc with AshMad since people are looking to have affairs? Assuming everyone is truthful about their status / intentions on AshMad.[/QUOTE]PGH, you are obviously new to the game and all of your questions have been asked and answered multiple times in this Thread. So read it --it is really fun! I go back and reread a lot of the entries to see the evolution of sugaring techniques.

AM is difficult and most guys have not reported good results. The girls there are mostly looking for an affair with the guy of their dreams, and thus are extremely picky. Money is not usually expected although there are some obvious UTRs, hookers, and SBs on there. When money is the primary motivation girls are more likely to go out with a less than optimal guy if their Knight in Shining armor doesn't appear --which he usually doesn't. A married woman on AM wants a safe, comfortable, and emotionally satifying relationship with a guy near their age or younger.They want a hot 35 yr old, not a 60 yr old. They already live with one of those who isn't doing it for them. IMHO. Again, maybe the younger guys would have more luck there

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2341775]It is often said that a task repeated 10,000 times will make you a master of it. So reading 8,000 posts may only make you a master of reading posts. But it could do a lot more if you apply the principles related in those posts.

You would only have to read about thirty pages a day for 3 weeks to read this entire thread. Not too much preparation for a lifetime of sugaring. I estimate it took me 3 years to learn what this thread could have taught me in 3 weeks.

[/QUOTE]No reading of a thread would teach someone how to be a sugar daddy unless they lived in the exact same location, aimed for the same demographic, looked identical to the SD they were trying to learn from and had an identical personality, budget and other circumstances. Beyond that, each individual SD is going to find their own mileage varies. They might glean an idea or two from the conversations here, but for anyone to assume this thread is a complete how-to guide on getting pussy that will work for everyone just isn't in line with reality. We've seen many guys come and go, trying things suggested here that don't work for them. Even when I give advice I assume the reader has enough sense to apply it to his own situation, maybe use it as inspiration for ideas. I give him the benefit of the doubt that he is smart enough to know that if he quotes me verbatim or tries to do exactly as I do, he's going to get different results than I do.

Besides, once you account for the fact that probably 40% of the posts are people asking the same questions and talking about the same things over and over, it's not a plan for efficient learning to expect them to read the entire thread. Early pioneers relied on horses and wagons to get around, it doesn't mean we need to do the same today. If those early pioneers had suggested that modern society in the year 2015 should use horses and wagons because they did, nobody would respect them and they wouldn't be in history books today.

We would all benefit from the efficiency. Those of us who already know what FC or GPS means wouldn't have to wade through it being asked every other post.

I tried to read the entire thread once and the server load times were too slow and unreliable. It would have taken much longer than 3 weeks even if I made a full time job out of it.

There's no need to re-invent the wheel. People have already solved this problem. What we need is an FAQ listing of the stuff that gets asked over and over and wastes all of our time on a recurring basis. It's not going to replace the detailed discussions that take place here, only extract the repetitive boring shit out, so that it is in one place, removing clutter.

So this chick sets up a new profile. Very pretty, the description says "athletic", allowance moderate. I was probably one of the first people talking to her. She starts with 5, I propose $$. 5. She agreed. And then she says: "I will have a male companion with me at all times for protection, he will not get in the way". I politely thank her, say I am not interested in escorts, they are aplenty. In a couple days this same profile (u know it is the same since it is in your folder) looks totally different. Photos are gone, age is higher and it says "a few extra pounds". Is it some sort of SA quality control, to weed out BP types? Interesting.

I've had 2 long term SB's ( year) that became girlfriends. Both talked about moving in together, marriage and kids. If I wasn't 25-30 years their senior, I might have considered it. Almost did anyway.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2340897]First, I only post about girls that have a profile on an SD site.

And a question.

How many of you have been proposed marriage by an SB if you are single or asked to leave your SO if you are married?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2341564]That was funny HollywoodGuy!

I was wondering if there was less risk of drama, attachment etc with AshMad since people are looking to have affairs? Assuming everyone is truthful about their status / intentions on AshMad.[/QUOTE]I have had 2 successful affairs from AM. No sugar, just middle age milfs looking for some attention. Both were women who wanted to end their marriages but for several reasons they could not do it at that time. So, they were looking for married men in similar situations to spend some time with and meet their sexual needs. Just be aware you are not going to find the 20 something hottie like you can on SA, unless she is a utr cruising AM as well. As far as drama, it's always a crap shoot. You will have to pony up for "credits" to e-mail anyone. I would suggest if you are really interested, create a profile (that you can do for free) and then window shop for a while to see if there are any ladies that are of interest to you.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2341617]Since you laughed at my joke I would politely suggest reading the entire forum from start to finish.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys for your patience.

I want keep to my SD-SB activities completely separate from my real life. Are SBs generally OK with not knowing who you really are?

I am willing to share my life details with an SB without revealing any personally identifying info. However will she create a scene? Accusing me of not trusting her etc.

I ask because in reply to my first message to her an SB said that she is not interested in a guy who cannot trust her. My profile only states that discretion is important!

Is this real life? Sometimes I have to ask myself this very question while playing in the bowl. What a crazy night / morning!

I've been talking to this pretty hot 22 year old recent college grad for the past couple of weeks over text. Her profile was brand new and she said she never had an arrangement before, however she did met 2 guys for M&G from the site but said there was no connection. We met for drinks and appetizers at one bar and then we venue changed to another bar right across the street for more drinks. We really hit it off with fun, flirty conversation. Since I traveled about 30 minutes to visit her and it was getting somewhat late I suggested that I was probably going to just book a hotel room for the night and invited her back with me. She happily agreed and followed me back The sex was great. Multiple positions, 2 orgasms each for both of us. She ended up leaving late into the night. We never discussed what the arrangement would look like. However I definitely want to see her again so I think we'll need to figure something out.

My hotel stay gets a little wilder from there.

I grab some breakfast from the hotel in the morning. As I'm waiting for the elevator to go back up into the room I start talking to this girl who is also waiting. She was probably about a 5 or 6 in the looks department. She's freaking out a bit because she said she was staying in the room with her friend and woke up this morning and the friend had left and she wasn't answering her phone and she didn't have a ride. She said she was fiending for some cigarettes. Sensing that this girl may be a UTR / Nando 1 type I offer to give her a ride to get some smokes. We hop into the car and start talking. She immediatley starts giving me her sob story and I suggest that she should think about having a Sugar Daddy. She tells me she used to have one. It was game over from there. We get back to the hotel room and I invite myself back to her room. She ends up admitting that her and her friend were staying in the hotel because the posted an escort add online. We start to talking about sex and I challenge her to try and get me hard. Next thing I know she's giving me a sloppy BJ and I'm painting her face with my man juice! I left her $11 because I kinda felt bad for her.

I'm on a roll lately. Might need to slow down and pace myself so I don't burn out.

\ This definelty felt like a real date. I was into her, she was into me.

I am just glad you do not play in my area. Otherwise my nights would probably be spent with my SO.

I will report more in my end of Jan. Update (but not too many specifics. I am learning from the more experienced brothers on this board), - I am quickly rebuilding my rotation.

With school back in full swing, I have had multiple m&gs with various pots. In order to keep down costs, I have been planning my FC trips with m&gs. Had an afternoon FC session during my lunch break with a pot I met earlier this week. Planned to meet a pot for drinks at a local bar near my office in the evening, but the crappy east coast weather killed those plans.

Hung out at the bar at night hoping to meet someone in the "wild" but the bar was filled with mostly men or women with men.

Have a second m&g scheduled for late this morning. Asked for a late checkout in case that turns into a trip to the FC. A third m&g is scheduked for mid afternoon. I have a FC trip scheduled for this evening with someone I met last weekend during lunch. If my mid afternoon m&g turns into a trip to the FC, I will have options, but may be cutting it close.

Tomorrow I have an FC trip scheduled with a young college coed. She is very promising because she is a hot and young, can host, and her requested allowance is $150 a visit (with the understanding that I would also cover date costs and gifts). She is also a gymist. According to her she went on mutiple m&gs but decided that we would be a good fit based on our chemistry. If she is as good in bed as I am hoping, then I think I can end my season and coast for the next few months.

Good luck to all the players in the bowl.

[QUOTE=LandonR;2342560]Is this real life? Sometimes I have to ask myself this very question while playing in the bowl. What a crazy night / morning!

I've been talking to this pretty hot 22 year old recent college grad for the past couple of weeks over text. Her profile was brand new and she said she never had an arrangement before, however she did met 2 guys for M&G from the site but said there was no connection. We met for drinks and appetizers at one bar and then we venue changed to another bar right across the street for more drinks. We really hit it off with fun, flirty conversation. Since I traveled about 30 minutes to visit her and it was getting somewhat late I suggested that I was probably going to just book a hotel room for the night and invited her back with me. She happily agreed and followed me back The sex was great. Multiple positions, 2 orgasms each for both of us. She ended up leaving late into the night. We never discussed what the arrangement would look like. However I definitely want to see her again so I think we'll need to figure something out.

My hotel stay gets a little wilder from there.

I grab some breakfast from the hotel in the morning. As I'm waiting for the elevator to go back up into the room I start talking to this girl who is also waiting. She was probably about a 5 or 6 in the looks department. She's freaking out a bit because she said she was staying in the room with her friend and woke up this morning and the friend had left and she wasn't answering her phone and she didn't have a ride. She said she was fiending for some cigarettes. Sensing that this girl may be a UTR / Nando 1 type I offer to give her a ride to get some smokes. We hop into the car and start talking. She immediatley starts giving me her sob story and I suggest that she should think about having a Sugar Daddy. She tells me she used to have one. It was game over from there. We get back to the hotel room and I invite myself back to her room. She ends up admitting that her and her friend were staying in the hotel because the posted an escort add online. We start to talking about sex and I challenge her to try and get me hard. Next thing I know she's giving me a sloppy BJ and I'm painting her face with my man juice! I left her $11 because I kinda felt bad for her.

I'm on a roll lately. Might need to slow down and pace myself so I don't burn out.

\ This definelty felt like a real date. I was into her, she was into me.[/QUOTE]